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SELECT COMMITTEE ON ARTS, SPORT, TOURISM, COMMUNITY, RURAL AND GAELTACHT AFFAIRS debate -
Wednesday, 4 Jun 2008

Annual Output Statement 2008.

The purpose of our meeting is to consider the following Revised Estimates for the year ending 31 December 2008: Vote 33 — National Gallery; and Vote 35 — Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, and the Annual Output Statement 2008. I understand the Opposition spokespersons have been briefed on the Estimates and the output statement.

I welcome the Minister and I am sure we all wish him well on his new appointment. I propose we invite the Minister to make an opening statement. I will then take us through the four programmes to be considered: tourism services; sports and recreational services; arts and culture services; and the National Gallery. I will then invite comments on each one and ask the committee to note the output statements under the new Estimates procedures. Members have been circulated with all the details and I have asked the clerk to circulate the programme and output statement from which I will be working.

I welcome the Minister on his first visit to this committee, as well as his officials. I invite him to make his opening statement.

The Chairman is moving at a quick pace and I will try to keep it up. Before my formal presentation, I would like to introduce the Department officials who are accompanying me. They are Mr. Con Haugh, Secretary General, Mr. Paul Bates, assistant secretary, Mr. Niall Ó Donnchú, assistant secretary, Mr. Donagh Morgan, assistant secretary, and Ms Mary Nash, assistant principal officer.

I am very pleased to present the 2008 Estimate for my ministerial Vote group and to have this opportunity to meet with the committee to discuss the Estimates for my Department, the National Gallery of Ireland and related issues. Before turning to the detail of the Estimate itself, I would like to refer to the 2008 output statement for my ministerial Vote group. While not formally part of the Estimates, output statements are an element of the budget and Estimates reform measures announced by the Minister for Finance in the 2006 budget. The output statement is designed to match the key outputs of the main programmes to the financial and staffing resources allocated to them for each year. It shows the output targets which were set out for 2007 at the beginning of that year. It also shows how we performed against those targets. The 2008 output statement also contains output targets for 2009.

Turning to the Estimates, I have responsibility for the Votes of the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism and the National Gallery of Ireland. The total allocation to the Vote group in 2008 is €725 million, which is an increase of 12% over 2007. My remit covers a very wide area including arts, culture, film, sport and tourism. I will confine my comments to a small number of developments for which provision has been made in the 2008 Estimates.

There is provision in 2008 for expenditure in the tourism part of my Department for close to €170 million, representing an increase of 10% on last year. In 2007, the number of overseas visitors to Ireland exceeded the 8 million mark, representing an increase of 4% on the previous year. Foreign revenue earnings amounted to €4.9 billion, which is an increase of 4.5% on 2006. While the outlook for this year is more challenging due to adverse currency movements, turmoil in international financial markets and rising oil prices, we are still targeting further increases as set out in the output statement. I was greatly encouraged by last week's CSO statistics which showed an increase of over 4% in overseas visitor numbers for the first quarter of 2008.

The core Fáilte Ireland allocation of just under €83 million for 2008 will enable a range of programmes and initiatives to be advanced in the areas of product development, domestic and niche marketing, training and support for festivals and major sports tourism events. Subhead B2 provides €20 million for the pay and operating costs of Tourism Ireland, the all-island tourism marketing company set up under the Good Friday Agreement. The Exchequer provision for the tourism marketing fund under subhead B4 is €50 million for 2008, an increase of 11% on 2007. This will enable a range of international marketing activities and initiatives to be rolled out this year in line with Tourism Ireland's three-year corporate strategy, which was approved by the North-South Ministerial Council in November 2007. A further meeting of the North-South Ministerial Council took place outside Enniskillen last week, during which I had a very productive engagement with my Northern Ireland ministerial colleagues, Nigel Dodds, MLA, and Michelle Gildernew, MLA, about a range of tourism co-operation issues. Finally, €15.7 million is being provided to support tourism product development projects in line with Fáilte Ireland's new product development strategy under the national development plan.

Tourism is one of our most important economic sectors, accounting for a quarter of a million jobs and generating total revenues of €6.5 billion a year. It has a wide regional spread and the potential to deliver continued sustainable growth. Despite a challenging market outlook this year and competitive pressures, the fundamentals of the industry are sound, particularly in light of public and private investment in recent years. We have a robust policy framework for the development of the sector under the €800 million tourism programme included in the national development plan and the New Horizons tourism strategy set out in the report of the tourism policy review group. The tourism services budget for 2008 will enable the appropriate support programmes to move forward this year and I believe that we will see continued growth during the year.

The huge social and economic benefits of sport are acknowledged by the Government and are reflected in the unprecedented level of Government funding for sport. The level of funding available for sport in 2008 is €336 million, compared to just €17 million in 1997. The sports capital programme is the primary means of providing Government funding to sport and community organisations at local, regional and national level throughout the country. It is operated on an annual basis and draws on national lottery funds. A total of €568 million has been allocated in sports capital funding since 1998 to 6,716 sports facility projects. Furthermore, capital funding of €107 million has been provided towards the redevelopment of Croke Park during the same period. The 2008 programme was advertised on 13-14 January 2008 and the deadline for receipt of applications was 29 February for paper-based applications, and 7 March for on-line applications. All applications received before the deadline are currently being evaluated, and I intend to announce the grant allocations for the programme as soon as possible after the assessment process has been completed.

The single largest financial provision in the 2008 Estimates is for the new Lansdowne Road stadium project. Under the national development plan, the Government is making a contribution of €191 million towards the project. A total of €116 million has been provided this year. This is made up of €93 million in the C5 subhead and a further €23 million carried over from the 2007 allocation. The project is on target to be completed in 2010. It is heartening to observe the progress which is plainly visible. The new stadium at Lansdowne Road will be a distinctive sporting and architectural landmark for the city. It will be a world-class stadium and a source of pride for the people of Dublin and the people of Ireland.

Phase 1 of the national sports campus project at Abbotstown will provide the major field sports of Gaelic games, soccer, rugby and hockey, and up to 20 other sports, with unrivalled training and medical facilities. A project management team and a design team were appointed recently to take the project forward and it is hoped that planning permission will be applied for by the end of the year. Planning permission has already been received for the refurbishment of the former central meat control laboratory as a headquarters for the Irish Institute of Sport. It is also hoped to have this work completed by the end of the year. The national development plan provides €30 million for development of the second phase of the campus and the NSCDA has been asked to begin its assessment and analysis of what is required for the next step in this exciting national sports initiative.

This is Olympic year and I am looking forward to a good performance from the Irish teams at the Olympic Games and the Paralympic Games in Beijing. The committee recently met with the Irish Sports Council and members were briefed on preparations for the games. The Irish Sports Council works in partnership with the Irish Institute of Sport, the Olympic Council of Ireland, the Paralympic Council of Ireland and the relevant national governing bodies of sport in the preparation of Irish athletes for the Olympic and Paralympic games. Significant progress has been made to date by all these agencies in preparation for the games.

The Olympic and Paralympic councils of Ireland are the agencies responsible for the organisation and participation of the Irish teams at the Olympic and Paralympic games. The Irish Sports Council provides annual funding to both councils for administration and programme costs aimed specifically at preparation for the games. Primary responsibility for the preparation and performance of individual athletes rests with the relevant national governing body, or in the case of paralympic sports, the Paralympic Council of Ireland.

Planning has been comprehensive and well-funded, with plans implemented by top quality professionals at every step. The ISC has defined success as meeting its target of six finalists at the Olympics. There are three key elements to the funding provided by the Irish Sports Council towards the Olympics. The international carding scheme provides direct funding to athletes. The funding to the national governing bodies for the performance plans provides comprehensive training, competition and support programmes for the athletes. The Irish Institute of Sport is funded to focus on the long-term structures of elite sport.

In February 2008, the Irish Sports Council announced the allocation of €9 million in high performance support to athletes and teams received over €2.2 million under the international carding scheme. A total of 15 focus sports received over €5.9 million for their high performance plans, and the Institute of Irish Sport received €935,000. According to the ISC, this brings the total high performance investment in this Olympic and Paralympic cycle to more than €30 million.

The infinite richness, variety and breadth of the activities in my Department and the arts organisations and cultural institutions in our area of responsibility were really brought home to me in preparing for the meeting with this committee. These are vibrant and vital sectors of our economy, the wellspring, I believe, of many of our creative and innovative enterprises. These sectors are primary economic contributors, real businesses, enduring employers and differentiators of us as a cultural and tourist destination, as well as areas that truly distinguish us as a people in a world of increasing sameness.

We have never had a better opportunity to make the arts, cultural and creative sectors truly central to our well-being as a nation and to our future as an economy. This year alone, my Department will invest almost €250 million in the arts and culture sector and creative industries. Over the lifetime of the current national development plan, we will invest almost €1 billion in hard physical infrastructure for those sectors. That is real, tangible investment in the real economy.

The arts, cultural and creative sectors have achieved much in recent years. Two of our museums have in recent years won European museum of the year awards, the National Library wins prizes internationally for its exhibitions, the National Museum achieved the annual 1 million visitors mark for the first time in 2007, Irish-made films won 20 prestigious prizes internationally last year and Irish writers continue to excel at international literature competitions.

Visitor numbers to the national cultural institutions should surpass 3 million for first time ever in 2008 and they could reach 5 million a year by the end of the decade. Opening hours at the cultural institutions must be extended so that they are all open on Sundays, public holidays and late one night during the week. Great progress is being made in that respect. Real progress is being made on the new national theatre, the National Concert Hall and regional arts infrastructure.

The Arts Council's funding for 2008 is reflected in its ambitious work programme, aimed at progressing the aims of the long-term strategy partnership for the arts 2006-10, with particular emphasis on access and audiences, making it possible for people to extend and enhance their experiences of the arts through additional funding for touring, festivals, community music and the council's In Context programme, thus enabling the arts in settings outside the gallery, the theatre and the concert hall. One of the most important points about audiences is that with developments in technology the arts audience is large and growing and is not limited to those people who attend live arts events or visit a gallery or museum. New media represent an opportunity of reaching a wider audience. The Arts Council has organised a seminar for summer 2008 on the arts, new media and broadcasting to highlight the policy implications of this important area.

There is also emphasis on strengthening arts organisations countrywide, including theatre, film and the traditional arts, to secure the basis of a vibrant and stable arts community. The three-year funding concordat with the Abbey Theatre has assisted in the transformation of the organisation. Highlights of the 2008 programme bear testament to this, including the Irish premiere of Conor McPherson's "The Seafarer", Seamus Heaney's "The Burial at Thebes", a version of Sophocles' "Antigone" and Selina Cartmell's directorial debut on the Abbey Theatre's main stage with Charles Mee's "Big Love". In 2008 it is intended to extend this concordat arrangement to other regularly funded organisations.

On North-South matters, the council is continuing the major initiative undertaken in 2007 with the Arts Council of Northern Ireland which culminated in successful joint exhibitions in the Douglas Hyde Gallery, Dublin, and the Void Gallery, Derry. A major survey of individual artists will be undertaken on a joint basis which will address not only the living and working conditions of artists North and South but also mobility between both jurisdictions.

There will be a doubling of the so-called touring fund allocation for 2008, and other initiatives being undertaken in 2008 include a programme to encourage philanthropic support of the arts and, in partnership with commercial galleries, an exploration of the potential for co-operation between the private and public sectors in developing the visual arts.

Our national collections are a core part of the national patrimony. The objects and treasures in our possession are open and accessible to the public. The collections are educational as well as aesthetic. They tell a story as well as inspiring a vision of continuing creative endeavour and excellence. The national cultural institutions are also a vital part of our cultural tourism agenda, which is why they also need continual investment in infrastructure, people and materials. The visitor aim for 2008 is challenging and I have every confidence it can be reached.

One of my Department's projects caught the public's imagination in a remarkable way in 2007, namely, the digitisation of the 1901 and the 1911 censuses funded from the D4 subhead. In November 2007, Dubliners found that they could search the National Archives website for family members who had been included in censuses at the beginning of the previous century. This facility has proved enormously popular. In 2008, a further €1.1 million has been provided which will allow the extension of the same facility outside Dublin. The 1901 and 1911 census information for people who lived outside Dublin should be available on the website by the end of the year.

The capital allocation to the Irish Film Board is used for the provision of development and production loans to the independent film and television production sector. The board has a dual mandate to develop Irish film-making talent that will engage audiences at home and abroad while maintaining and building the resources, crafts and skill of the Irish industry through attracting international productions to Ireland.

In parallel with the expenditure under my Department's Vote, the section 481 scheme continues to offer film producers an essential source of funds for their projects. The Minister for Finance announced in his budget speech last year that he was extending the scheme until the end of 2012 and in the Finance Act this year he increased the overall ceiling on qualifying expenditure from €35 million to €50 million.

In 2007, films supported by the Irish Film Board fared well internationally. The film "Once", which has grossed more than €9 million internationally and drawn wide international acclaim, was produced for just €294,000, with support from the Irish Film Board. It won awards at the Sundance film festival in the USA and at film festivals in London and Moscow. Committee members will recall that it won the Oscar for best original song in 2008. Other films did well with "True North" winning best film at the Cherbourg film festival, "Speed Dating" winning best feature film award at the Malibu international film festival and "The Tudors" winning two Emmy awards.

My Vote group also includes Vote 33 for the National Gallery. Of the €12.6 million allocation in 2008, more than €9 million is to meet general administration costs and most of the balance is to fund acquisitions and conservation activity by the gallery. The gallery will host two major exhibitions during 2008. The Impressionist Interiors exhibition has already started and features 46 wonderful paintings and drawings by Manet, Monet, Renoir, Degas, Cassatt, Gauguin, Vuillard and Morisot, many of which have been brought together from important collections in Europe and the United States of America. In November, the exhibition, Northern Stars and Southern Lights: The Golden Age of Finnish Art 1870-1920, will celebrate the high-point of Finnish art from an era when the country was still a grand duchy of Russia.

The programmes I have mentioned comprise only a few of the many which are funded by my Department and the organisations under its aegis. I hope it gives a flavour of the range of projects and activities for which I am responsible. This is my first time presenting the Estimates to the committee and I look forward to a productive and fruitful working relationship with it over the coming years. In conclusion, I commend the Estimates to the committee and I will be happy to provide additional information or clarifications to members during the course of our discussions this afternoon.

I thank the Minister. The first programme we will deal with is the tourism programme, which has a total expenditure of €170.7 million. The programme target outputs include growth targets for overseas visitors and associated foreign revenue earnings of 2.8% and 4.9% respectively. Also included are the continued support for the Office of Public Works in the delivery of the public private partnership contract for the convention centre in Dublin to facilitate its operation in two years' time, further roll-out of the tourist product development programme, publication of a progress report on the tourist strategy implementation group, and the establishment of a process to carry out a mid-term review of the New Horizons tourism development strategies and the completion of same.

I thank the Minister for articulating the funding and the targets. I refer to the targets which were missed for this year. The Minister said there was a rise in numbers of 4% and of 4.5% in revenue but the targets initially set out were 5.6% and 7.3%, respectively. In many respects, this points to the difficult and challenging times.

I notice the growth targets for the coming year in terms of numbers and revenue are low, at 2.8% and 4.9%, respectively. Does this mean the tourism industry is heading into choppy waters? An additional €1.2 billion was spent by Irish tourists abroad last year. Given the challenging global economic climate, with a weak dollar, rising fuel costs and so on, what is the reason for the growing gap between the figures for tourists coming to the State and Irish people travelling abroad? I understand this differential is 12 times what it was five years ago. How do we open up new opportunities for tourism in order that we can better meet our targets? Could the increased access to other markets arising from the open skies policy be better utilised? How can we make our tourism offering more competitive? Are there any plans, for example, to reduce the VAT rate or extend the range of products to which the lower rate is applicable? An increase in revenues from tourism would compensate for any reduction in VAT receipts.

Some €317 million is allocated under the national development plan for the national convention centre and the product development strategy. How is this funding allocated? How much of it is apportioned to the national convention centre and how much to the product development strategy? The convention centre is expected to be operational in 2010. Has a budget been set aside for a marketing strategy to attract business in 2010? That must be done in advance of its opening.

I welcome the Minister and his officials and thank them for their courtesy and helpfulness whenever we have any questions for them.

In view of the global economic downturn, what can be done to meet the targets for the coming year in attracting overseas visitors? We can undoubtedly expect a knock-on effect on the tourism sector, with other aspects of the economy, from this downturn.

What are the Minister's views on public private partnership contracts in view of recent unfortunate experiences? Will these developments have any impact on other sectors? This is a matter for the Office of Public Works as much as for the Department. How can we ensure such collaborations are effective and that we obtain value for money for the public purse?

I welcome the Minister and his officials.

The tourism industry employs more than 250,000 people and generates revenue of €6.5 billion. In that regard, the allocation of €170 million in the Estimate seems to represent extremely good value for the Exchequer. In the context of a possible downturn in the local or global economy, tourism promotion must be a priority. As one of the largest employers in the State, the industry is capable of sustaining substantial job numbers. I am sure the Minister will welcome my comments given that he, like all his colleagues, will have to go cap in hand to the Minister for Finance. We should continue to increase the budget for tourism. It has major spin-offs for the State in terms of jobs and PAYE income arising from the moneys generated, which we hope will exceed €6.5 billion this year. Does the Minister have any plans to seek an increase in the tourism budget with a view to increasing revenues?

When will the first mid-term review take place? In the context of a global downturn, it is important to know exactly how we are faring and in which areas we might be falling behind budget.

I congratulate the Minister and his Department on an excellent report.

I welcome the Minister. It is nice to have a Minister from the south east, particularly in the arts, sport and tourism portfolio.

Under the arts, culture, film and archives programme, there is reference to a review of the heritage fund. What does this involve? In regard to the Wexford Festival Opera and Gate Theatre projects——

I apologise for interrupting the Deputy. I ask that she confine her questions to the tourism programme.

I will do so. In the context of an expenditure of €170.7 million, does the Minister envisage a growth in sustainable tourism, taking account of such issues as impact on the environment and encouraging such aspects as walking and heritage tourism? Can he quantify the number of people coming to Ireland in the context of the roll-out of the tourism product development programme?

I thank members for their questions. Almost everybody referred to the changed economic climate internationally which is affecting tourism on a worldwide basis as a consequence of increasing fuel costs, currency differentiations and so on. As I said, I was heartened to see the first quarter figures. An increase in revenues of 4.5% is encouraging. We must ensure the key agencies, Fáilte Ireland and Tourism Ireland, focus their resources in a strategic way on marketing and promoting Ireland and the various tourism products we offer. There must be a clear focus on the United Kingdom which remains a large market for us, mainland Europe and North America. These are the three key markets. I take Deputy Kennedy's point that in a challenging market one may have to allocate additional resources to ensure one gets the message into the marketplace. As Ireland competes internationally with many other markets, we must ensure we maintain our profile internationally to attract visitors.

Deputy O'Mahony asked how we could ensure we achieved our objectives. We target our resources carefully on strategic marketing campaigns. Some of the resources this year have been moved around by the various agencies in response to the challenges in the marketplace. That flexibility is important in allowing key agencies to respond quickly to what is happening in the market. The development of new products, as referred to by Deputy White, is also important.

Tourism is changing dramatically. Deputy White has highlighted walking tours as a huge development in the tourism sector. Adventure tourism is another area that is growing substantially. Moreover, such activities also have a highly positive environmental impact. They are perceived to be using what is naturally present in a much better way. Clearly, such product developments in different regions are important to the continuing enhancement of tourist numbers. While some traditional tourist areas may be under a degree of pressure, the development and international marketing of new products enable one not only to maintain tourist numbers but to increase them.

One can and should have considerable confidence in the two State agencies, as the past five years have been excellent. Moreover, the achievements in tourism during the past 15 years have been remarkable. For instance, it has been a phenomenal achievement to have 8 million people, or double the population, come to this country. Equally, however, it is clear from my engagements with the various tourism bodies and discussions this week with Northern Ireland Ministers Nigel Dodds and Michelle Gildernew that there should be no complacency in this regard. We must continually enhance our products, be clever in our marketing approach and preserve our uniqueness in all possible ways. We must offer unique products that people will come to Ireland to avail of such as walking holidays.

Another question was asked regarding competitiveness. It goes without saying we are always alert to it. It is an issue in that the tourism sector is price sensitive to some degree, albeit not entirely. In general, different sectors within the tourism industry must be highly conscious of international developments among their competitors. For instance, golf tourism which is of great importance to Ireland and a growing business worldwide has attracted major investment. However, we must avoid overpricing or being overly demanding of customers, particularly given tighter personal financial circumstances worldwide and a significant difference in the exchange rate between the dollar and the euro. All these matters should and must work their way into policy frameworks when establishing how to continue to develop and enhance products. The point made by Deputy O'Mahony on maintaining competitiveness is at the root of such policies. This must be done in respect of all of one's cost structures and the quality of the product being provided.

As members are aware, the national conference centre, a public private partnership, PPP, project, is under way. Deputy Upton mentioned PPPs and the downturn in tourism to which I referred. In many areas PPP contracts have worked extremely well. The Office of Public Works which is managing the project has a highly successful track record in the delivery of key pieces of major public infrastructure of national importance. I understand an aggressive marketing campaign is being undertaken and four major international conferences have been booked for 2010 and 2011.

I will provide details as this information is in the public domain. Starting in September 2010, the convention centre in Dublin will play host to the European Union Geriatric Medicine Society conference which will be attended by more than 750 delegates. In 2011 it will welcome Rotary International in Great Britain and Ireland with 3,000 delegates. In August 2011 the International Statistical Institute will hold its 3,000-delegate conference at the centre. Moreover, in July 2012 it will host the Association of Coloproctology of Great Britain and Ireland with more than 900 delegates. It is clear that there is diversity and great activity taking place.

As I noted, walking holidays are a highly important tourism product. In excess of 200,000 people have come to Ireland to walk. This constitutes phenomenal growth from a figure of zero some years ago, or, to be more accurate, one that was not properly measured. Golf tourism also is of great importance, as 194,000 people came here specifically to play golf. We must ensure such products are carefully minded and monitored and remain competitive. As they are price sensitive, we must ensure we do not overcharge, provide quality and match the type of package available internationally.

New tourism products must be developed continually. Earlier today I viewed a highly interesting and completely new tourism product which is very imaginative. It represents the entrepreneurship required at local level. It is highly important that local authorities and local and regional tourism boards should buy into good ideas that emerge and that Tourism Ireland or Fáilte Ireland should become involved in the development of such new products.

As for the tourism review mentioned by Deputy Kennedy, one can be satisfied with the programme laid out which is going very well. I agree, however, that we have reached a point at which it must be reconsidered. I do not suggest we must tear it up and start all over again as that would be the wrong approach. Certainly, however, we must examine the changes of emphasis, flexibility, etc. that will be necessary to cope with the new challenges that have arisen in the marketplace and I intend to do so immediately.

I thank the Minister. We will move on to the sports programme, on which total expenditure of €340 million is planned. The target outputs include support for the implementation of the Irish Sports Council's strategy and the publication of the value for money and policy review of the council. They also include the provision of resources for the National Sports Campus Development Authority; the consideration, approval and implementation of the new strategy for Horse Racing Ireland from 2008 to 2011; the introduction of legislation to enable Bord na gCon to comply with Government financial and corporate governance requirements and a complete review of the horse and greyhound racing fund. Moreover, they include the continued construction on schedule of the Lansdowne Road development, the renovation of the facilities at Abbotstown for use by the Irish Institute of Sport, the design and lodgement of a planning application for phase one of the national sports campus, the launch of the next round of the sports capital programme, the start of construction of six new swimming pools and the development of the national sports facility strategy, as well as the audit of regional local sports facilities.

I welcome the increased spending on sport in the years since the Department's establishment in 2002. All members are in favour of this development and wish it to continue. However, I wish to make several points and will get through them as quickly as possible.

I refer to the Irish Sports Council grant. I note the allocation for the year has been increased by €3 million. While I am not asking a specific question, the cost of the new GAA player grant scheme is approximately €3 million. Effectively, there has been no increase in the grant to the Irish Sports Council which is surprising in an Olympics year. Perhaps an additional allocation was sought in line with the desire for enhanced performances but not granted. As no increase is evident, the Minister should comment in this regard.

The other area to which I wish to refer concerns the proposed Irish Sports Council (Amendment) Bill and the Irish Institute of Sport. As it has been delayed, do I detect a change of plan? Will it be within the remit of the Irish Sports Council or what is happening in this regard? Will it be able to spend its money independently? Will it operate within the Irish Sports Council's remit?

On the Irish Sports Council, when will the value for money review be published? I refer to the sports campus at Abbotstown. What exactly is meant by the target output that seeks to "establish and provide appropriate resources so that the Authority is fit for purpose"? Does that relate to subsidies for the day-to-day running of the national aquatic centre? A total of €2 million was provided in subsidies last year. What kind of resources will be made available to the authority in this case?

In respect of the consideration, approval and implementation of the new strategy for Horse Racing Ireland, most people are in agreement that the amount of funding, which I believe is €61 million, is larger than the Irish Sports Council's grant to the horse racing industry. The amount of off-course betting was reduced to 1% to allow off-course bookies to compete. What plans are in place? Has the horse racing industry come up with plans to be more self-sustaining than that?

I see that the first phase of the sports campus at Abbotstown was originally estimated in 2004 to be €119 million. The programme for Government suggested a 25,000-seater stadium. I presume that would be in phase two. A total of €149 million has been set aside under the national development plan. Is the 25,000-seater stadium likely to suffer or will it go ahead? The figures would suggest that this will not happen. I would like to hear the Minister's comments on that.

I have a few points to make about the sports capital programme. The Minister said that announcements will be made soon. Can he be a bit more specific? How many applications have been received and what percentage will be awarded grants? We have schools and sports clubs in towns and cities throughout the country. Could a stipulation be included that the use of these facilities would be widened to maximise use of them and the public money that is being provided?

The swimming pool programme was closed in 2000. When is that likely to be opened up? There was a capping of the amount of money available as well. A task force has reported to the Minister. When will it be published?

I have a few general questions for the Minister. My first question relates to all of the three areas with which we are dealing. There are something like 20 agencies within the remit of the Department. One of the difficulties I have as a Deputy is trying to get answers to questions where the agency is directly responsible for the management of a programme and the committing of money to the programme. It is a point I make again in respect of quangos and the lack of a direct response from the Department.

Is it possible to consider putting in place something like a parliamentary affairs division, as in the Health Service Executive, although one might not necessarily want to follow that model? At least it would give us some opportunity to put the questions through. I have an example which is not especially related to sport so perhaps I will leave it until I talk about the arts. It relates as much to sport as to other areas.

A second general point that arises consistently in respect of arts and sport is multi-annual funding. I appreciate the difficulties involved in that there are budgetary considerations and the Minister of Finance has a very important role in it. However, the repeated call from all of these agencies is that multi-annual funding would make a major difference to the management of their budgets, make life much easier for them and that, as it stands, planning is quite difficult if one is trying to engage somebody two or three years down the line but is not confident about the budget one will have. While I accept that there are other ministerial posts and Departments that have an important role in this, I would like the Minister at least to take this on board and possibly raise the matter again for the committee.

I agree with Deputy O'Mahony in respect of Bord na gCon and greyhound and horse racing. The proposed sum of money for horse and greyhound racing in 2008 is €76 million. I know that much of this money comes from tax on betting. Does it sit well with the goal of increasing participation and contribution to a healthier lifestyle? I appreciate it creates a lot of employment but in terms of lifestyle and health objectives, the Minister might comment on that.

The Greyhound Industry Act, one of the target outputs for 2007, amended Bord na gCon to be compliant with Government, financial and corporate governance requirements and the output legislative proposals, etc. Last Sunday's edition of The Sunday Business Post contained a piece detailing how the Comptroller and Auditor General had identified financial management and cost overruns at Bord na gCon. I attended the meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts this week. Does the Department have any specific input and what is its role in dealing with what appears to be a very serious problem? It seems we are a long way from achieving the target set out to give effect to the recommendations in the Dalton report. Perhaps the Minister might comment on that specific point which is an important financial one.

I certainly welcome the recent ESRI reports which are very important. One point arising from those is the importance of socio-economically deprived areas getting greater input. Perhaps the Minister would like to comment on how he might invest in that and direct funds towards those areas.

A point that arises from many of the groups who have appeared before the committee to make representations is the division between capital and current funding. It has been referred to indirectly in the sense that many sports and community halls, school gyms and so on are built throughout the country. These are all very welcome. However, they tend to be not so much exclusive as not as widely available as they should or might be to the wider community. In particular, I raise this issue in respect of school gyms, for example, Loreto College in Crumlin in my own constituency. I accept that this is a matter in the first instance for the Department of Education and Science. If that gym could be made available to that school — it is a very important issue for it — it would be more than willing to open up that facility to local community groups. It is very important that we try to make the best use of those capital investments we should have available to us. Many of the groups we would see would be very interested in seeing greater current funding made available and perhaps less capital funding.

I very much welcome this budget. Money spent on sport is not just good for participants but benefits other Departments. Involvement in sport reduces likely health costs at future dates. Anything we do as a nation to promote sport, particularly among young people, will pay us well in the long term. The €560 million that we have paid out in sports capital grants is probably one of the initiatives that is very well received throughout the country in many different sporting areas.

I welcome the developments at the national sports campus this year and hope this project comes to fruition as soon as possible. I still have a sense of regret that it did not become the national stadium. I say this with no disrespect to Lansdowne Road. We could have incorporated the Lansdowne Road project into Abbotstown. We would have had the best of all worlds, including a national stadium. The site is large enough to have incorporated the other facilities, namely, hockey, rugby, soccer, Gaelic games, etc.

Regarding the Olympic Games, individuals from all of our constituencies are participating. I wish Ms Ciara Peelo from my constituency the best of luck. Are the Minister and his officials doing anything to promote Ireland among the teams and others visiting London? It would be a significant opportunity to attract people to the country, including teams who could pre-train here. I meant to refer to this matter under the tourism heading.

We are all looking forward to the sports capital grants. Will the Minister indicate when he will make announcements in this regard? The six new swimming pools are long overdue. It has been some time since we last grant-aided swimming pool projects. Will the Minister indicate when the moneys in question will be allocated?

I shall confine my remarks to the sports capital programme in order not to tax the Minister too much. As we are looking forward to the date, we would gladly receive any hint the Minister would like to drop.

I am interested in sports facilities for disadvantaged areas, such as the RAPID areas of Carlow town and elsewhere in my constituency and Ireland. That sports allocations to the communities in question can go so far and be so appreciated is fantastic. When one in four children is deemed obese, we must target different sports to suit different types of ability. Not every child has good hand-eye co-ordination, but he or she might be a good skateboarder, rollerblader or swimmer. We should consider the sector of children and adults who are not into the GAA, hockey, cricket, rugby or soccer. Someone could be a demon at table tennis or other sports.

To combat anti-social behaviour, we could help younger people focus on rollerblading in a roller-drome, for example, or skateboarding park. The funding of either would not cost the Earth. Many communities are seeking such facilities, which could endow a great sense of pride, contribute to physical well-being and, in problem areas, reduce mindless anti-social behaviour, including senseless graffiti. Young people would be engaged in physical activities in which they are interested rather than just sports in school or after school. I am interested in targeting the RAPID areas and in including children who might not be tremendous runners or never go to the Beijing Olympic Games, but for whose talents and athletic prowess an outlet could be found, for example, rollerblading and skateboarding.

I welcome the Minister and this opportunity to discuss his Department's Estimates. To reinforce Deputy White's comments, grant supports have made a considerable difference in disadvantaged areas. For example, they have been linked with local schools and football clubs in areas in my constituency, but they are also tied with sports other than Gaelic games and soccer.

In terms of the sports campus, we should consider alternative ways to attract people to sport. There is iceskating in my area at certain times of the year. A permanent facility for ice hockey and iceskating would attract people, particularly young people. We have read the statistics on obesity and a lack of exercise, but sport must be attractive for children of all ages.

We should give credit where it is due and applaud the success of the sports capital programme, which has been administered to maximise its effect nationally. In the past five or six years, my area has benefited significantly thanks to sports capital grants. They have been used in the correct way and are reaching the people at whom they are aimed, which is crucial. Any increase is to be welcomed. While any amount that remains at the end of a year is carried over, would it be possible near the end of that year to re-examine applications that might fit within the budget? I would welcome such a development.

I thank colleagues for their interest in this matter. I will address Deputy O'Mahony's points first, as some other members' questions had similar themes.

Regarding the Olympic Games and funding, the Irish Sports Council was established in 1999 with a budget of £13 million whereas last year's budget was €57.6 million. The important years in terms of the Olympic Games were those during the build-up in which the training was done. By an Olympic year, people are either ready to participate or not. The funding is substantial. In the current four-year Olympic and paralympic cycle, the council spent €30 million on high-performance sports, far beyond anything done previously. Like members, the sports bodies recognise the considerable increase in the interest paid to and funding of sport, resources that we try to use across the spectrum as best we can.

Given that it is an Olympic year, there is a focus on the Olympic Games. For four years we have worked with the sports council and the Olympic Council of Ireland to meet requirements during the build-up. It is more a question of the past four years rather than this year in isolation.

Deputy O'Mahony referred to the Irish Institute of Sport and the sports council, a matter raised by Deputy Upton in a different manner, although one with which I empathise. As a result of issues raised by the committee, the agencies under my Department have been asked to deal fully with queries from Deputies by providing accurate information. I am not one to create more agencies. There must be a good reason for an agency. The sports council is strong, but the institute has an important remit. I am considering the matter, but I have not made a decision. As members will appreciate, I have been in the Department for only a few weeks, but I would like to resolve the issue and determine the best direction to take.

The sports council's value for money review will be published as soon as we have it, which will be shortly.

On funding for Horse Racing Ireland, no one could accuse me of being heavily involved in the horse racing industry. Other than someone with a general punter's interest who backs an odd horse now and again, I am not a real race-goer. However, the importance of the industry is considerable. For example, it is a major employer, a critical matter. We tend to focus on those at the high end, the iconic names known worldwide. Perhaps they are very wealthy in their own right but there is a huge number of people in the industry who are not in that category and we should bear this in mind. I would prefer that the resourcing and the horseracing fund would come directly from the industry. I note that the contribution from the taxpayer has increased in recent years, not simply because of the decision to reduce betting tax from 5% to 1%. Other reasons and major international competition drove that. I am reviewing the position in conjunction with the industry. I have brought in some people to assist me to see how we will develop this in the future. We must make sure that what we do does not undermine the industry and ensure the industry flourishes. Equally, resources are not unlimited and we must bear this in mind.

The stadium at Abbotstown, with a capacity of 25,000, is not in the current phase but will be considered in the next phase. Detailed design is under way for the campus but the stadium, which is included in the programme for Government, will be in the next phase. I empathise with the comments made about the national stadium because I was a great fan of that being built in Abbotstown. Notwithstanding the great stadium that will be built at Lansdowne Road, which is wonderful, we may regret that we do not have a 75,000 to 80,000 seater national stadium. Sporting days out have become events but history will deal with that matter.

The review of sports grants is under way. There are 1,450 applications, a huge number of applications that amount to five or six times the amount of money I will have available to give out. We are examining them at present but that will take another month, taking us into July before we will make an announcement. I have not been secretive, I am happy to say.

I would like to start a new access programme for the swimming pools programme. Deputies have commented on this and it will come down to what resources are available in the short term. Funding of €184 million is provided for 2007-13 in the national development plan for the current programme and a new programme. I will see how this can be progressed. It is a good policy.

I refer to the point made by Deputy White. Deputy Upton has obviously read the ESRI report I launched some days ago, which was commissioned by the Irish Sports Council. If Deputy White has not seen it, I suggest she reads it because it touches on the points she made about the diversity in sport and the growth of individual pursuits. That does not mean that the volumes playing team sports are diminishing but they are not growing at the same rate as people, particularly young adults, participating in individual sports. This is because as one gets older it is harder to participate in the local soccer or rugby team.

There is nothing better than participation in team sports for young kids. It teaches them so much about growing up and preparation for adulthood. Whatever the team sport, hurling, Gaelic football, soccer, rugby, hockey or basketball, it is a wonderful training that teaches them how to win and how to lose. It has a greater resonance in helping them to mature than simply participation. I put great emphasis on team participation at younger ages.

The disadvantaged areas to which Deputy Upton refers was highlighted in the socio-economic divide in access to sport. This is of concern to the Irish Sports Council and is highlighted in the ESRI report. It is also of concern to me. I know my constituency quite well and know the value of the capital grants invested in local clubs, particularly in RAPID and disadvantaged areas. It makes a great difference and we will try to continue to do that. One of the criteria clear in all applications is trying to prioritise the broader remit that a club has and trying to get more young people engaged in the sport. We like to see applications that state that if they invest a certain amount, they will receive a substantial increase in the number of young boys and girls being attracted to the sport. This is important criteria for current applications to the Department for funding under sports grants. Priority is given to disadvantaged areas. The Irish Sports Council will absorb the ESRI report and I intend discussing it with them to ensure there is not a socioeconomic gap in respect of access to sport. That would be a terrible thing and we must be conscious to ensure equal access to sports halls, sports clubs and community facilities for those less well off.

We must assist families to get children interested in sports. From my experience of having children, one often finds that participation comes from two factors — the encouragement of parents and the difference the coach and the club can make. One person can transform a club, depending on commitment. There is fantastic volunteerism in our clubs and I have seen men and women who have great empathy with kids and know how to manage them and make them feel involved. They always make sure the weaker ones are involved and this makes a major difference. We must ensure equality of access across the social spectrum is maintained.

The Department of Finance has a major say in multi-annual funding. I accept the principle that the Deputy proposes. In the Department of Transport multi-annual funding transformed our ability to deliver major public transport projects on time and within budget because there was greater certainty. It transformed the budgetary process. This is more a matter of current funding and it is not so easy to do that but I accept that the greater certainty one can give, the better planning that can take place. In fairness to the Department over the past number of years, it has been consistent in maintaining support for various bodies but also enhancing the budgets every year. It has been a question of expansion rather than retrenchment over the past few years. In different economic circumstances the job will be to hold what we have and, if we cannot build at the same pace, to ensure that we continue to invest and expand what we are doing.

The report on Bord na gCon is being prepared by the Comptroller and Auditor General. It will be laid in the Oireachtas Library next week and is being discussed before the Committee of Public Accounts on 26 June. There seem to have been many issues but the report goes out of its way to state that it is not commenting on the current situation, which has been transformed by a change in structures, board membership and by a change in CEO. The Comptroller and Auditor General will comment on issues of previous times, from the early 90s to about 2006, and colleagues will deal with that when they see the report and attend the Committee of Public Accounts meeting.

Deputy Upton referred to sports halls in schools, as did Deputies White, Brady and Kennedy, which are the primary responsibility of the Department of Education and Science. Benefits can accrue through the shared use of facilities by schools and communities. I tried to do that, as colleague have in their areas. The current strategy for sports facilities, which will address this issue, is being developed. Under the current programme, schools may apply where there is a relationship with a local community group which must have up to 30 hours access per week. Some school projects have been funded but I take the general point that rather than trying to build a small facility in each community, more usage can be made of one good facility embracing everything. At all times we will try to achieve this. We have a structure to do it and are willing to continue discussions to achieve it.

I spoke about agencies and take the point on board. I am not for expanding agencies willy-nilly. I am equally anxious that Deputies are facilitated and will reiterate the point on comprehensive responses to the agencies. This has arisen previously and been acted upon to some degree.

The Minister has summed up well on whether school facilities will be made available. This is becoming a major issue and needs attention. I know of schools which obtained funding and had the support of the local community to do so. Once they are provided, the facilities are closed to the community.

I agree with the Deputy that the issue needs attention. If facilities are put in place, we want to see them used with maximum benefit. I will raise the matter with the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Batt O'Keeffe. The more use we can make of facilities the better for everybody. It is as simple as that.

We shall move onto the next programme on art, culture, film and archives. Net programme expenditure is €214.6 million. The target outputs include: further progress on the proposed legislation for Culture Ireland; a review of the National Archives legislation and agreement on the heads of a Bill; finalising the extension of section 481; the development of a long-term plan for the film industry; to initiate and progress the PPP process for the National Concert Hall; the ongoing design process for the new national theatre; completion of the Wexford Festival Opera and Gate Theatre projects; ongoing work on access programmes 1, 2 and 3 and a full review of expenditure; work on our national cultural institutions, the National Museum, the National Library and the National Gallery; and a review of the heritage fund.

With regard to the review of the tax relief for the film industry, other proposals are being examined. Are funding approaches or incentives other than tax relief envisaged for the industry? There is no doubt that it has played an important role. Recent films such as "Once" and "True North" were mentioned. The number of films made here in recent years has reduced, mainly because other countries have introduced incentives.

When is it likely that the survey of facilities and the scale of the sector will be completed? I understand a budget is allocated to the Irish Film Commission US. What is the size of this budget? Do we have a figure for the investment secured through the office in the United States?

When is the design competition for the Abbey Theatre project due to be completed and the contract awarded? This project has been ongoing since 2002. It is important not only for the arts but also for tourism. Is it likely to be speeded up?

The National Archives are not mentioned. A sum of €20 million was set aside in the national development plan for the redevelopment project. Given the difficulties with regard to the lack of storage space articulated recently, will it be undertaken this year? Is there a possibility that some of the archives will be distributed to relevant counties if they are being stored unmarked or undocumented or being damaged at the National Archives centre?

If I have interpreted the figures correctly, the Arts Council will see a reduction in funding in the Estimates for 2008 if one takes account of inflation. Perhaps I have misread it. Will the Minister comment on the funding allocated? A major issue for the council is the need for multi-annual funding. As the Minister has addressed this issue, we will not return to it.

Will the Minister give us an update on what is happening at the Natural History Museum? The OPW has an input but it is important that the museum's artefacts are made available to the public again. What progress has been made? How soon can we expect the museum to be reinstated? Has any progress been made arising from the recommendations made in the special report on the National Museum? It caused problems earlier in the year. Will the Minister also give us an update on what progress has been made with the development at the National Concert Hall?

I will return to my original comment on quangos, on which I know the Minister has commented. There is a report on arts and education but it seems to be in cyberspace. I wrote to the Arts Council about the matter and it is an example of the repeated letter-writing in which I must engage to gain access to it. Will the Minister indicate what progress has been made and when we will be able to read the report? Like sport in primary and secondary schools, art in education is extremely important and must be provided for at an early stage for those children who want to become involved in art and for whom it might become an important subject later in their academic careers.

Does the Minister agree with the analysis of many that in an economic downturn people take solace in the arts? They go to the theatre more, read more and go to see films more. Perhaps it is a form of escapism because their resources are dwindling. The arts should see a buzz while we are in this little dip. I am delighted the Minister has doubled the touring fund. It is important for communities outside the main cities to have access to the best of entertainment, whether it is acting, opera or poets coming to read their work. I am delighted about this.

I know the Minister is an opera buff and we share this interest in common. The completion of the Wexford Festival Opera project is heartily welcomed. The Blackstairs Opera Company in Rathnure on the Carlow-Wexford border attracts visitors as part of a biannual project in tandem with Borris House. An opera will be performed in Borris, County Carlow in July. People come from all over Ireland to experience wonderful opera performances in Wexford and Carlow outside the known traditional opera venues. This is a tremendous achievement for the local groups involved.

With regard to the review of the heritage fund, which I hope the Minister intends to increase, I would like further details on what he proposes to do.

I thank members for their questions. Deputy O'Mahony is right in identifying the film industry as one of great importance to Ireland. It has been one of the great vehicles for promoting this country's uniqueness, culture and heritage in recent years. Even the successes of the past 12 months have been quite phenomenal and are an indication that in this sector, Ireland punches well above its weight. I am very keen to continue to develop the industry because there is a tremendous skill set therein. We should try to keep as many skilled film people here as possible, as well as trying to enhance their position.

One of the issues we are currently trying to deal with relates to the scheme under section 481 of the Finance Act, which is very important and a great deal of work has been put into it by my colleagues in my Department and the Department of Finance. Clearly, other countries have come up with equally good schemes and some have even surpassed it. While it is fine to clap ourselves on the back for the original achievement, we must examine the area again. I will review the issue and have already had some discussions with the Irish Film Board and other notable people in the sector. I am committed to finding a new way forward that can enhance the development of film here, both Irish films and foreign-made films, including some of the big block-buster type of projects that we had here in years past. I know that "Mary Queen of Scots" is about to go into production this year, which is a significant coup for Ireland. "The Tudors" television series has also been significant for Ardmore Studios. Nevertheless, there is much more business out there that we could attract. Some share of a very big cake is better than no share at all. Films have an enormous resonance beyond the actual industry in terms of promoting this country so I will conduct the review as soon as possible.

There has been much discussion recently about the Abbey Theatre. I have not been engaged in the issue directly yet but I recognise that it is an important project. The Government has made decisions on this matter already and is trying to work out the finer details of the project. The sooner we move it on, the better. I am delighted that the National Concert Hall project was advertised in the Official Journal of the European Union this week. The redevelopment of the concert hall is a fantastic project, which, like many others, is in the realm of creating public wealth, which I have spoken about long before I came to this Department. It is something in which I believe very firmly and the various arts projects are essential.

The completion of the new opera house in Wexford is also very welcome. We launched the programme for the autumn season yesterday and everyone agreed that the star this year will be the opera house itself. Everybody is looking forward to the programme of events, which is fantastic and is almost completely sold out already. Wexford Festival Opera is unique, has become a world event and has created a niche market for itself.

The National Archives is an issue that came up when I was in the Office of Public Works. I hope a new scheme will come to me shortly and that we can resolve this issue once and for all. Equally, with the Natural History Museum, there are plans to use some of the space at Collins Barracks from next year to display at least some of the exhibits of the museum. The OPW is involved in that and there will be a builder on site by the end of the year. It is intended that some of the exhibits will be on display in Collins Barracks by 1 January 2009. In fairness to everybody, while trying to resolve the major issues, we are also making efforts to ensure that at least some of the collections are on display.

Arts in education was raised by Deputy Upton. An interdepartmental report on the issue will be published soon which I will consider. I have spoken about this issue since arriving at the Department and have mentioned it to my colleague, the new Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Batt O'Keeffe. I agree with Deputy Upton that the programme is invaluable. The difficulty is the time and space available in schools, with all the pressures that already exist. However, arts are fundamental in terms of their educational benefit. Arts in education should be properly established and I assure the Deputy I will try to make some progress in this area. I am trying to work with the schools and to get children more involved.

The design competition for the Abbey Theatre is a priority. The relevant committees are in place, documentation is being finalised and a competition jury is in place. That is the current situation there and I hope to bring it to fruition in the near future.

The funding for the Arts Council has increased enormously in recent years, which is recognised by those involved in the council. There was no retrenchment but there was a supplementary budget given the previous year, which is perhaps what the Deputy was referring to and which would explain why the figures looked somewhat lower. I take a strong view on what the arts has the capacity to deliver and how important the resourcing of it is, in general. The Arts Council is of the view that multi-annual funding would help and I can understand that viewpoint. In recent years, funding for the council has risen from €26 million to more than €82 million. It is my job, with the support of the House, to try to continue to enhance that fund and it is my intention to do so.

On the National Museum, discussions are taking place with my officials in the Department on some of the issues raised by the Deputy. I hope they will be resolved soon in terms of the best way forward. I agree with Deputy White on the issue of the touring fund and believe it is tremendously important. I was at the launch of "Waiting for Godot", which is going on tour. It is an enormous undertaking, involving 26 counties, 40 venues and, as they say, one night only. It is an excellent programme bringing quality drama to people all over the country. Like the Deputy, I do not come from Dublin and have a perspective that sees the benefit to the regions as well as the enormous contributions the regions make to art in this country. We must respond from the centre to make sure it is as inclusive as possible. However, Dublin is our capital city and is clearly the central engine room for driving developments in the arts. Having said that, I am keen to make sure that touring can be developed further.

We also launched the Museum Association tour in the National Library a number of days ago. It is very interesting because it will be the first time people will be able to pick up and touch the artefacts on display. The most incredible replicas have been made — it is almost impossible to tell the difference between the real thing and the replica. That goes on tour around the country for the next four years. We must continue to get the visual arts, the performing arts and other areas of the arts out into the country in as many ways as we can.

I think I have answered all of the questions raised.

Will the Minister clarify the position regarding the heritage fund?

The heritage fund is very important. Mr. Seán Cromien has completed his report and it was positive. He suggested some changes and asserted that the fund should be renewed, an opinion to which I am wedded. This will entail the drafting of some primary legislation, which is currently being addressed. The Estimates for 2009 will deal with the fund moneys as well. The heritage fund has been very successful and I would like to see it strengthened and enhanced and, based on some of the suggestions in Mr. Cromien's report, I will endeavour to do that.

The final programme we have to consider is the National Gallery. Net programme expenditure was €12.6 million and target outputs include: continuation of fund-raising for painting acquisitions and the process of computerising the collection; two major exhibitions in 2008 and the staging of an impressionist exhibition; development of a catalogue of early Italian painters; development of a new website; development of a volunteer programme; new design and layout for the shop; and appointment of a membership of friends of the gallery officer.

The spending in this area is very welcome. I am glad to see a reduction in the amount being spent on consultancy services, which sets a good example. Subhead D, appropriations-in-aid, is reduced from €19,000 to €1,000. The Minister might clarify that. What is the envisaged role for the membership of friends of the gallery officer?

I welcome this part of the report. It is an area in which all the targets appear to have been achieved. Perhaps I should have heard of the Dargan Council but I am afraid I have not, so the Minister might explain what it does. I see that more than €1 million has been raised to date to augment funds for painting acquisition. I presume that fund contains additional moneys because I do not think one can buy many Carravaggios for €1 million. The budget set aside for acquisitions and conservation appears to be a modest amount.

I thought the budget would be the other way round.

I welcome anything that takes place in the National Gallery because it is a great place. I commend whoever is responsible for it.

I agree with Deputy Upton that it is marvellous that funding is provided for the National Gallery and, in particular, new initiatives such as the redeveloped website. I would like to learn more about the volunteer programme. My background is in academic painting, so I would like to know how early the catalogue will go in respect of Italian paintings. Will it include Renaissance or post-Renaissance works?

On Deputy O'Mahony's first point, I will investigate the figures because they do not appear correct to me. It is about income, so we cannot be dropping from €19,000 to €1,000. I presume it is a technical method for categorising the money.

The Dargan Council is a group of friends of the National Gallery. It is a completely private philanthropic group which does not receive any Exchequer funding.

I will revert to Deputy White with the information she requested on dates. I agree that the National Gallery is a national treasure and that we have to continue to support it. Like the Deputy, I thought the budget for acquisitions should be bigger but that is why we are looking to philanthropy as a means of using the private sector to enhance that area. The tax code makes incentives available for such private donations. Comparing ourselves with other countries, we could do more in terms of philanthropy. The National Gallery would certainly be a direct beneficiary of that kind of approach.

That concludes the consideration by the select committee of the Revised Estimates and output statement.

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