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SELECT COMMITTEE ON COMMUNICATIONS, MARINE AND NATURAL RESOURCES debate -
Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004

Maritime Security Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Committee Stage.

SECTION 1.

I move amendment No. 1:

In page 4, subsection (1), lines 1 to 3, to delete paragraphs (a) and (b).

The Minister has addressed this issue. I was looking at the Bill as presented. Regarding the prohibitions on terrorism at sea which apply to merchant ships and, in particular, commercial vessels, as well as fixed platforms, we did not see the reason we should exclude, for example, ships that could be used for customs purposes, naval auxiliaries, or any other ships in the service of the State. Why should they not also be included within the remit of this conventions, although they are not included in the protocol thereto?

I will address the Deputy's amendment to section 3 rather than this one, in particular, which we are opposing. The 1988 maritime security convention, to which the Bill gives effect, specifically excludes warships and any ship owned or operated by a state when used as a naval auxiliary or for customs or police purposes from its scope as it is concerned with the protection of commercial shipping, including government-owned commercial vessels and non-commercial vessels not in state ownership. The Bill which is strictly confined to implementing the 1988 maritime security convention and the 1988 protocol thereto also reflects this inclusion.

The definition of "ship" in section 1 mirrors Article 2 of the convention which is an international instrument signed and ratified by a large number of states. To ensure consistency in the application of the regime put in place by it in international law, it is essential to keep implementation within the agreed framework. The provisions of the Bill and the convention apply, not only to Irish ships but also to those of other nations. It is essential to maintain consistency between Irish and international law.

I thank the Minister of State. I may return to the issue on Report Stage.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 1 agreed to.

Deputy Kehoe has said he will be back at 3.30 p.m. We will suspend the sitting until he returns.

Sitting suspended at 3.25 p.m. and resumed at 3.30 p.m.
SECTION 2.

I move amendment No. 2:

In page 5, subsection (2), line 12, after "life" to insert ", pursuant to which, that person shall serve a period of not less than 15 years".

I do not accept the amendment. It has not been the practice in Irish statutes to qualify what is meant by life imprisonment so as to specify a minimum term of imprisonment for serious offences. Accordingly, it is a matter for the courts, in the light of the particular circumstances in each case and the gravity of the particular offence or offences, to determine what the appropriate term of imprisonment should be. They have, in fact, imposed a sentence of life imprisonment on very serious offenders judged to be a serious danger to the public.

I thought there were mandatory sentences as regards major drug dealing offences, for example.

For these offences it is being left to the courts to decide the appropriate sentences.

The amendment was tabled in the name of Deputy Kehoe and moved by Deputy Broughan. Does Deputy Broughan wish to speak further on it?

I will withdraw and return to it on Report Stage.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Amendment No. 3 is in the name of Deputy Ferris. Amendment No. 4 is related. They will be discussed together. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I move amendment No. 3:

In page 5, between lines 12 and 13, to insert the following subsection:

"(3)No person engaged in a legitimate industrial action, or other form of peaceful protest, shall be deemed to be guilty of an offence under section 2.”.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

I move amendment No. 4:

In page 5, between lines 12 and 13, to insert the following subsection:

"(3) No person engaged in a peaceful protest on board a ship or fixed platform, or directed at a ship or fixed platform, and not engaged in an action that constitutes a scheduled offence under the Offences Against the State Act, shall be deemed to be guilty of an offence under section 2.”.

The motivation behind this amendment has to do with the possibility that industrial action will be taken by the workforce, either on board an oil rig or a ship. Subsection 2(1)(a) refers to the “seizing or exercising control of a ship or a fixed platform by force or by threat of force, or any other form of intimidation”. If this is compared to whoever has absolute charge of the ship or rig - the master of a ship or the person in charge of a fixed platform - it is he or she who has absolute legal rights over the control of a vessel or rig and, as such, determines the form of intimidation. This is based on my own experience, having worked on oil rigs, where the oil rig manager has an arsenal under his or her control. During the hunger strikes in 1981, when we went on strike for a period as members of the Irish Transport and General Workers’ Union, we were effectively threatened and told we would be run off the oil rig and that whatever action was deemed necessary would be taken against us, including recourse to the arsenal on board. In the Bill there is no protection for the members of a trade union who take industrial action to protect the rights of workers. It is in that spirit I move this amendment which I hope will be accepted by the Minister of State.

I know the convention and protocol were introduced to deal with a particular terrorist threat. The following are listed in the section: the performance of an act of violence against a person on board; endangering safe navigation; destroying a ship or fixed platform; causing damage to a ship or its cargo; placing or causing to be placed on a ship or fixed platform a device which is likely to destroy the ship; and destroying or seriously damaging maritime navigational facilities. These are dangerous crimes which include the injuring or killing of a person to which industrial relations law would not apply.

We have concerns along the lines of those articulated by Deputy Ferris, particularly as regards paragraph (a) which reads, “seizing or exercising control over a ship or fixed platform by force or threat of force or any other form of intimidation”. The concern is that, if industrial action was taken by a group of workers - Deputy Ferris has experience in this area - there could be a situation where normal IR procedures would be stamped on by a rogue owner or master, for example.

I have in front of me a note from the general secretary of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, Mr. David Begg, who is a good friend of mine and the Acting Chairman. He says Congress, its affiliated unions and the International Transport Workers' Federation, ITF, have concerns in respect of the negative effects the Bill may have on the rights of workers. These extend to the apparent lack of protection for seafarers and other workers engaged in trade union activities and industrial action. The ICTU has contacted the Minister of State, through Mr. Begg, to indicate these concerns. Congress, however, did not get the opportunity to see the advice from the Attorney General on which the Minister of State is acting.

There is a belief that the Bill needs to be amended, either here or elsewhere, to indicate clearly that the current rights, immunities and protections afforded to seafarers, workers and trade union officials cannot be undermined. As a former trade union leader, the Acting Chairman knows that it is difficult at times, particularly in the maritime environment, to enforce trade union rights and responsibilities. It is difficult for shop stewards and the branch secretaries of trade unions to adhere to their mandates. We know of the recent incident in Irish waters where a senior official had to go on board, almost incognito, to try to determine what was happening to the workers on that ship in terms of the number of hours being worked, conditions and so on.

The concern Congress is expressing through its general secretary, Mr. Begg, is that we will be faced with a situation where somebody will in a court of law use the Bill, which is intended to deal with the position in the aftermath of the events of 11 September 2001 and the issues we discussed on Second Stage that arise in different parts of the world, against workers who genuinely engage in industrial action.

The amendment is opposed. The Bill and the 1988 maritime security convention and protocol to which it gives effect address serious criminal acts against human life and property. An essential feature of both the convention and the protocol is their standard international application to foreign as well as Irish ships or offshore fixed platforms. Ireland could not act unilaterally as suggested and there is no need for an amendment to cover non-criminal acts.

I received a letter from Mr. Begg who has been a good friend to us all for many years. My reply was cleared by the Attorney General's office. I will distribute a copy later to members of the committee. Without quoting the whole letter, I said the Industrial Relations Act 1990 did not provide immunity from prosecution for any terrorist act and that it would be inappropriate to amend the Bill to modify the application of the convention or protocol to exclude trade union actions. I mentioned their standard international application to foreign as well as Irish ships or offshore fixed platforms. I outlined my case in great detail.

I am disappointed the Minister of State will not accept the amendment. Industrial action on an oil rig could be seen from the point of view of rig management as jeopardising navigation of the rig. In my experience this would not stand up to scrutiny but the argument could be presented. If the Minister of State is familiar with its workings, he will know that those involved in this enterprise are unscrupulous oil companies which abhor the trade union movement and the representatives of workers on rigs. Many of those who work on oil rigs have no industrial rights and it would be very easy to camouflage an industrial action on an oil rig on the basis that it would jeopardise its navigation. That is a serious loophole which must be addressed. I would appreciate if the Minister of State could furnish us with a copy of the report he received from the Attorney General and, if possible, a copy of his reply to Mr. Begg.

We are discussing serious criminal acts against human life and property, in respect of which Deputy Broughan provided a significant list. If the master of a ship or the boss on a platform carries out unlawful acts against workers, one can have recourse to the law under normal industrial relations practices or legislation. I sent a letter on 26 May explaining our position in great detail to Mr. Begg to which I am sure he will respond. This refers to serious criminal acts against human life and property. I do not anticipate any other area being affected.

Section 2(1)(f) reads, “destroying or seriously damaging maritime navigational facilities or seriously interfering with their operation, if the destruction, damage or interference is likely to endanger the safe navigation of a ship”. Interference could be interpreted as industrial action. One could drive a bus through the loophole that the master of a ship or rig can interpret the matter in his or her own way. There is no protection for workers on oil rigs or crews on ships.

The history of navigation shows abuse of workers on ships who endure terrible conditions, their lives and liberty determined by one individual. How often have we seen tragedies off the Irish coast, involving Filipino or Spanish fishermen who lost their lives because they had no protection? In effect, if this section goes through without amendment, workers on oil rigs or crewmen on fishing boats will have no right to engage in industrial action at sea, irrespective of what conditions or tyranny they are forced to endure at the behest of one person.

Is it possible, even at the end of the Bill, to provide for an exclusion to clarify the point? Deputy Ferris's reference to maritime life and law brings to mind the fact that it involves a different kind of industrial relations than we would witness if transport workers went on strike. For example, if workers at Dublin Bus go on strike, buses will be locked up at Ringsend garage and the men and women concerned will picket outside as part of an official action. That is a different kind of action.

We have spoken at this committee and in the House about the widespread use of flags of convenience and what we know of the international oil industry off the coast of Africa and elsewhere. Given that knowledge, it seems that it would be worthwhile to ensure this area is covered in case someone uses paragraphs (a) or (f) as loopholes to deprive hard pressed workers of their rights, including the right to down tools.

In maritime law a ship resembles a self-contained republic with the master or captain in complete charge of life on board while at sea. Is there scope for an exclusion? I understand the substance of the Bill is comprised of these two international documents which we cannot change but surely in the section at the top of the Bill we can say it does not apply to industrial relations. Mr. Ayton of the ITF and Mr. Begg have indicated that the 1990 Act and other Acts on industrial relations will simply be excluded from any interpretation under these tough measures.

Everyone acknowledges that it is necessary to have tough international laws to counter terrorist behaviour about which we can make no bones. We need to ratify the convention and protocol quickly as we are obliged to do. However, is it worth thinking about this matter, even before Report Stage? It would be worth continuing this discussion as we have had little time to study the ramifications because at the moment each of us is doing three or four jobs.

Would it be possible to further consider the matter on Report Stage?

A total of 78 countries have ratified the convention and I am sure they discussed these issues too. We will reflect on them again. As I said in my reply to Mr. Begg, the enhanced EU-IMO security arrangements in place for certain ports and ships are not intended to exclude inspectors of the International Transport Federation or officers of affiliated trade unions visiting ships. I have responded to some of the points he raised but we are not aware of difficulties in that connection and suggest that they be brought to the attention of the Maritime Safety Directorate. I understand the Deputies' point. The convention is concerned with serious criminal acts; it does not include a reference to non-criminal acts. We will reflect on the matter again before Report Stage. The Bill is adequate to deal with the concerns raised by the Deputies.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 2 agreed to.

Amendments Nos. 5 to 8, inclusive, will be discussed together.

NEW SECTION.

I move amendment No. 5:

In page 5, before section 3, to insert the following new section:

3.--(1) Section 2(1) applies to an act done outside the State in relation to a ship or a fixed platform if it is done——

(a) by any person on board or against an Irish ship,

(b) by a citizen of Ireland on board or against a ship (other than an Irish ship) or a fixed platform, or

(c) subject to subsection (2), by a person who is not a citizen of Ireland on board or against a ship (other than an Irish ship) or a fixed platform.

(2) In the case of an act done in the circumstances mentioned in subsection (1)(c), the Director of Public Prosecutions may not take, or consent to the taking of, proceedings for an offence in respect of that act except as authorised by section 7(4).

(3) In this section 'outside the State' means——

(a) in relation to a ship, outside the territorial seas of the State, and

(b) in relation to a fixed platform, outside an area designated under section 2 of the Continental Shelf Act 1968.”.

This amendment is proposed in response to concerns expressed by Deputy Broughan in the Dáil on Second Stage that the definition of "ship" and "fixed platform" in section 1 might prejudice the needed extra-territorial scope of section 3, as required by the 1988 convention and protocol. The amendment which involves the substitution of a more detailed section for section 3 of the Bill as passed by Seanad Éireann puts the matter beyond doubt. I thank the Deputy for raising the matter.

The amendment addresses the central issues raised by the Labour Party on Second Stage and on that basis I will withdraw amendment No. 6.

Amendment agreed to.
SECTION 3.

I move amendment No. 6:

In page 5, between lines 21 and 22, to insert the following subsection:

"(3) For the purposes of section 2 as applied by this section, reference in that section to a non-Irish ship or a fixed platform shall be taken to include reference to such a ship or fixed platform wherever situate.”.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 3 deleted.
Sections 4 to 6, inclusive, agreed to.
SECTION 7.

I move amendment No. 7:

In page 7, subsection (4)(a), line 35, after ”in“ where it secondly occurs to insert ”paragraph (a) or (b) of’.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 8:

In page 7, subsection (4)(b), line 37, to delete “section 3(2)” and substitute “section 3(1)(c)”.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 9:

In page 8, between lines 16 and 17, to insert the following subsection:

"(5) Notwithstanding section 10(4) of the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Act 1851, proceedings for an offence under this Act may be instituted within 12 months from the date on which the offence was committed.".

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 7, as amended, agreed to.
Section 8 agreed to.
SECTION 9.

I move amendment No. 10:

In page 8, lines 46 to 48, to delete all words from and including "shall" in line 46 down to and including "convicted" in line 48 and substitute the following:

"which corresponds to an offence under section 2, that person shall not be the subject of a prosecution in the State under section 2 for that same act.”.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 9 agreed to.
NEW SECTION.

I move amendment No. 11:

In page 9, before section 10, to insert the following new section:

10.--The Criminal Procedure Act 1967 is amended——

(a) in section 13(1), by inserting ’or the offence of killing or attempted killing under paragraph (h) or (j) of section 2(1) of the Maritime Security Act 2004’ after ’the offence of murder under section 2 of the Criminal Justice (Safety of United Nations Workers) Act 2000, or an attempt or conspiracy to commit that offence,’ (inserted by section 7 of the said Act of 2000), and

(b) in section 29(1), by inserting the following paragraph after paragraph (i) (inserted by the said section 7):

'(j) the offence of killing or attempted killing under paragraph (h) or (j) of section 2(1) of the Maritime Security Act 2004.’. ”.

This technical redrafting of section 10 of the Bill is proposed by the parliamentary counsel in accordance with standard drafting practice as in, for example, the parallel Criminal Justice (Terrorist Offences) Bill 2002 sponsored by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. The effect of the substantive amendments proposed to the 1967 Criminal Procedure Act by both Bills is to ensure cases involving murder or attempted murder will not, on a plea of guilty, be dealt with summarily in the District Court or sent forward for sentence and that in such cases applications for bail must go to the High Court.

What is the advice on this?

It is to set it out more clearly in two paragraphs. It is a redrafting of the measure which has the same effect. The officials want a purer form of drafting.

Amendment agreed to.
SECTION 10.

I move amendment No. 12:

In page 9, between lines 4 and 5, to insert the following subsection:

"(2) All actions covered by the Industrial Relations Act 1990; the Merchant Shipping (Minimum Standards) Convention 1976 (No. 147); the Protocol of 1996 to the Merchant Shipping (Minimum Standards) Convention 1976; the Freedom of Association and Protection of the Right to Organize Convention 1948 (No. 87); and the Right to Organize and Collective Bargaining Convention 1949 (No. 98) shall be excluded from this Act.".

The amendment is self-explanatory and I urge the Minister of State to accept it.

I oppose the amendment. The Bill and the 1988 maritime security convention and protocol to which it gives effect are to address serious criminal acts and do not apply to normal activities, including industrial relations matters on board a ship or offshore fixed platform. The Industrial Relations Act 1990 does not provide immunity from prosecution for any terrorist act and it would clearly be inappropriate to amend the Bill so as to modify the application of the convention and protocol to exclude trade union actions. The essential feature of both the convention and protocol is their standard international application to foreign as well as Irish ships and offshore fixed platforms. Ireland could not act unilaterally in the manner suggested. As I explained, there is no need for the amendment suggested to cover non-criminal acts.

I will return to this matter on Report Stage.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 10 deleted.
Sections 11 to 14, inclusive, agreed to.
Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported with amendments.

I thank the Minister of State and his officials for attending.

I thank Opposition spokespersons, the Acting Chairman and committee members for their consideration of the Bill which we are endeavouring to have passed as quickly as possible. I also thank committee officials for their co-operation and wish to be associated with the good wishes extended to the Chairman, Deputy O'Flynn, to whom I will send a copy of the letter sent to Mr. Begg.

I thank the Minister of State for his usual courteous and efficient consideration of the legislation. It is always a pleasure to deal with him. I hope we will be able to deal with any outstanding amendments on Report Stage. I am sorry to hear that the Chairman who suffered a serious illness on a previous occasion is back in hospital. I extend to him the best wishes of the Labour Party.

I wish to be associated with the best wishes extended to the Chairman. I thank the Minister of State for his courtesy and patience and look forward to another battle with him.

I, too, wish to be associated with the best wishes offered by Deputy Broughan. I wish the Chairman a speedy recovery. I thank the Minister of State and his officials for their attendance.

I extend our best wishes to the Chairman who is in the Bon Secours Hospital in Cork awaiting major surgery. I hope he has a speedy recovery. I thank the affable Minister of State for his time. I also thank Deputy Brady who is a courteous, pleasant, nice and understanding man for the job he did in chairing the meeting. I hope his temporary elevation is a sign of greater things to come.

I thought I would have kept Deputy Kehoe here until 6 p.m. but that did not work out.

The clerk to the committee has advised me that the draft report on the Intelsat motion has been circulated. Is it agreed to? Agreed. I thank the Minister of State and his officials for their attendance and members for their co-operation.

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