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Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy debate -
Wednesday, 26 Feb 1997

SECTION 33.

I move amendment No. 38:

In page 28, between lines 13 and 14, to insert the following subsection:

"(5) for the purposes of the preceding subsection, an employer who in good faith accepted information from an employee, as to the periods which that employee had worked for another employer during a relevant period, shall be regarded as having made reasonable enquiry.".

This seeks to define what constitutes a reasonable inquiry. If an employee works for one or more employer, it should be reasonable for the employer to accept in good faith what an employee has told him. This is vaguely phrased and would put an employer in an impossible position unless he or she accepts in good faith what an employee tells him or her.

Double employment has been a standard feature of employment going back to the year dot. It has worked well and the reasonable inquiry provisions have been interpreted by the courts in a reasonable way. In those circumstances, Deputy Harney's amendment is redundant. It has not proved to be a problem.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Section 33 agreed to.
Section 34 agreed to.
Amendment No. 39 not moved.
Sections 35 to 37, inclusive, agreed to.
NEW SECTION.

I move amendment No. 40:

In page 30, before section 38, to insert the following new section:

"38.Section 51 of the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1989, is hereby amended by—

(a) the insertion in subsection (3) after ‘1851', of ‘but without prejudice to subsection (4),', and

(b) the substitution in subsection (4) for all the words beginning with ‘in respect of the contravention' to the end of that subsection of the following:

‘in respect of the contravention may be commenced at any time within—

(i) six months of the making of the report or, in a case falling within paragraph (c), within six months of the conclusion of the inquest, or

(ii) one year after the date of the contravention,

whichever shall be later.'.".

Effectively we are plugging a loophole in the terms of prosecution of breaches of health and safety.

Amendment agreed to.
Section 38 deleted.
Section 39 agreed to.
NEW SECTION.

I move amendment No. 41:

In page 31, before the First Schedule, to insert the following new section:

"40.—As respects a failure to comply with any provision of Part III in relation to an employee, the employee or, with the consent of the employee, any trade union of which the employee is a member may, in lieu of presenting a complaint in respect of such a failure under section 27, include in proceedings to be instituted by him or her or it in respect of any matter under an enactment referred to in the Table to section 39(2) a claim for relief in respect of such a failure and where such a claim is included the following provisions shall have effect:

(a) subject to the provisions of this section, the provisions of the said enactment (hereafter in this section referred to as 'the relevant enactment') shall, with any necessary modifications, apply in like respects to the said claim (hereafter in this section referred to as 'the holidays claim') and the procedures to be followed in respect of it (including procedures in respect of appeals) as they apply to the proceedings otherwise under the enactment,

(b) the relevant authority that hears the said proceedings may grant the same relief in respect of the holidays claim as a rights commissioner may grant under section 27(3) in respect of such a claim and in so far as the grant of such relief consists of or includes the making of a requirement on the employer concerned to pay compensation to the employee the limit specified in section 27 (3) in relation to compensation under that provision shall, in lieu of any limit specified in the relevant enactment in relation to compensation that may be required to be paid under that enactment, apply in relation to such compensation.

(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1)(a)—

(a) any provision of the relevant enactment requiring proceedings under that enactment to be instituted within a specified period shall not apply to such proceedings in so far, but only in so far, as they relate to the holidays claim,

(b) subsections (4) and (5) of section 27 shall apply to the hearing of the holidays claim by the relevant authority concerned as they apply to the hearing of a complaint under section 27 by a rights commissioner.

(3) In this section ‘relevant authority' has the same meaning as it has in section 39.

(4) References in this section to the institution of proceedings in respect of any matter under an enactment referred to in the Table to section 39(2) shall be construed in accordance with subsection (5) of section 39.".

The purpose of this amendment is to enable holiday entitlements to be claimed at the same time as claims under other enactments. It would create a one-stop-shop — the employment appeals tribunal. One can deal with a holiday case and unfair dismissal together. Otherwise, the normal enactments of the Bill go to the rights commission.

Amendment agreed to.
FIRST SCHEDULE.

I move amendment No. 42:

In page 32, line 33, to delete "(3)" and substitute "3.".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 43:

In page 33, line 1, to delete "(4)" and substitute "4.".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 44:

In page 33, line 12, to delete "(5)" and substitute "5.".

Amendment agreed to.
First Schedule, as amended, agreed to.
SECOND SCHEDULE.

I move amendment No. 45:

In page 33, paragraph 1(a), lines 25 and 26, to delete "if falling on a weekday or, if not, the next Tuesday".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 46:

In page 33, paragraph 1(b), lines 27 and 28, to delete “if falling on a weekday or, if not, the next day”.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 47:

In page 33, paragraph 1(c), lines 29 and 30, to delete "if falling on a weekday or, if not, the next day".

Amendment agreed to.
Second Schedule, as amended, agreed to.
Third and Fourth Schedules agreed to.
NEW SCHEDULE.

I move amendment No. 47a:

In page 35, before the Fifth Schedule, to insert the following new Schedule:

"FIFTH SCHEDULE".

TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS IN RELATION TO SECTION 15(1)

1. In respect of the period of 12 months beginning on the commencement of this Schedule, subsection (1) of section 15 shall have effect as if in that subsection there were substituted for ‘at average of 48 hours, that is to say an average of 48 hours', ‘an average of 48 hours or, if the conditions specified in paragraph 3 of the Fifth Schedule are fulfilled, an average of 60 hours, that is to say an average of 48 or, as the case may be, 60 hours', and the said subsection (1) (other than paragraphs (a), (b) and (c) thereof) as it has effect in respect of the said period, by virtue of this paragraph, is set out in the Table to this paragraph.

TABLE

(1) An employer shall not permit an employee to work, in each period of 7 days, more than an average of 48 hours or, if the conditions specified in paragraph 3 of the Fifth Schedule are fulfilled, an average of 60 hours, that is to say an average of 48 or, as the case may be, 60 hours calculated over a period (hereafter in this section referred to as a ‘reference period') that does not exceed—

2. In respect of the next period of 12 months immediately following the period of 12 months referred to in paragraph 1, subsection (1) of section 15 shall have effect as if in that subsection there were substituted for ‘an average of 48 hours, that is to say an average of 48 hours', ‘an average of 48 hours or, if the conditions specified in paragraph 3 of the Fifth Schedule are fulfilled, an average of 55 hours, that is to say an average of 48 or, as the case may be, 55 hours', and the said subsection (1) (other than paragraphs (a), (b) and (c) thereof) as it has effect in respect of the said period, by virtue of this paragraph, is set out in the Table to this paragraph.

TABLE

(1) An employer shall not permit an employee to work, in each period of 7 days, more than an average of 48 hours or, if the conditions specified in paragraph 3 of the Fifth Schedule are fulfilled, an average of 55 hours, that is to say an average of 48 or, as the case may be, 55 hours calculated over a period (hereafter in this section referred to as a ‘reference period') that does not exceed—

3. The conditions referred to in subsection (1) of section 15 (as that subsection has effect by virtue of paragraph 1 or 2) are:

(a) in a case where the employee concerned is an employee in respect of whom a body that holds a negotiation licence under the Trade Union Act, 1941, or an excepted body, within the meaning of that Act (being in either case a body that stands recognised by the employer concerned for the purpose of negotiations concerning the pay or other conditions of employment of the category of employees to whom the employee belongs) has entered into a collective agreement with the employer providing that the provisions of this Schedule shall apply to the employee and—

(i) the employee has consented in writing to such an agreement being entered into relation to him or her (the giving of such consent having been preceded by an explanation to the employee, in everyday language, by the said body of the statutory consequence that the giving of such consent will have for him or her),

(ii) the employee is named in the agreement, and

(iii) the agreement stands approved of by the Labour Court under paragraph 4,

(b) in a case where neither the employee concerned nor any other employee of the category to which he or she belongs and who is employed by the same employer is a member of a body referred to in subparagraph (a), a notice in writing has been given to the Labour Court by the employer concerned of his or her intention to apply the provisions of this Schedule to the employee and—

(i) the employee has consented in writing to such a notice being given in relation to him or her (the giving of such consent having been preceded by an explanation to the employee, in everyday language, by the employer of the statutory consequence that the giving of such consent will have for him or her),

(ii) the employee is named in the notice, and

(iii) the notice stands approved by the Labour Court under paragraph 4.

4. (1) In this paragraph—

‘agreement' means a collective agreement referred to in paragraph 3 (a);

‘notice' means a notice referred to in paragraph 3 (b).

(2) On an application being made in that behalf by any of the parties thereto, the Labour Court, may, subject to this paragraph, approve of an agreement.

(3) On receipt by it of a notice, the Labour Court may, subject to this paragraph, approve of the notice.

(4) The Labour Court shall not approve of an agreement or a notice unless—

(a) it is satisfied that—

(i) in the case of an agreement—

(I) it has been concluded in a manner usually employed in determining the pay or other conditions of employment of employees in the employment concerned,

and

(II) it is in such form as appears to the Labour Court to be suitable for the purposes of its being approved of under this paragraph,

and

(ii) the employees to whom the agreement or notice relates freely gave their consent in writing to the entering into of the agreement or, as the case may be, the giving of the notice in relation to them,

and

(b) neither the safety nor the health of the said employees will, in its opinion after such consultation, if any, as it considers necessary with the National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health, be adversely affected by the application of the provisions of this Schedule to them (and for this purpose the Court shall have regard to its power under subparagraph (5) to attach conditions to the grant of the approval).

(5) The Labour Court may attach conditions to the grant of an approval under this paragraph, being conditions the attachment of which the Court, after consultation with the National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health, considers necessary to ensure the safety or health of the employees concerned in consequence of the application of the provisions of this Schedule to them, and such conditions may, notwithstanding anything in the preceding provisions of this Schedule, include a condition ('a time condition') requiring the employees concerned or a specified class of the employees concerned to work not more than a specified average of hours in a reference period concerned, being an average that is more than 48 hours but less than 60 or, as the case may be, 55 hours.

(6) The Labour Court may amend or revoke any condition attached to the grant of an approval under this paragraph.

(7) Where one or more conditions stand attached to the grant of an approval under this paragraph—

(a) in the case of a time condition, the reference in subsection (1) of section 15 (as it has effect by virtue of paragraph 1 or 2) to 60 or, as the case may be, 55 hours shall, as respects the employees to whom the condition relates, be construed as a reference to the number of hours specified in the condition,

(b) in the case of any other condition or conditions, the reference in the said subsection (1) (as it has effect by virtue of either of the said paragraphs) to conditions under paragraph 3 of this Schedule shall, as respects the employees to whom the condition or conditions relate, be construed as including references to that condition or those conditions.

(8) The Labour Court may withdraw its approval of an agreement or notice under this paragraph where it is satisfied that there are substantial grounds for so doing.

5. The Labour Court shall determine the procedures to be followed by a person in making an application under paragraph 4 (2), by the Labour Court in considering any such application or otherwise performing any of its functions under this Schedule and by persons generally in relation to matters falling to be dealt with under this Schedule.

6. The Labour Court shall publish, in such manner as it thinks fit, particulars of the procedures referred to in paragraph 5.

7. The Labour Court shall establish and maintain a register of collective agreements and notices standing approved of by it under this Schedule and such a register shall be made available for inspection by members of the public at all reasonable times.

8. An employee shall not be subjected to any detriment by his or her employer where he or she refuses to give his or her consent in writing to the entering into of a collective agreement or the giving of a notice under this Schedule in relation to him or her.

9. (1) An employer shall, if requested by an employee to have such an assessment carried out in relation to him or her, cause to be carried out an assessment as to the effects, if any, on the health of the employee by reason of his or her working, in each period of 7 days, more than an average of 48 hours calculated over the relevant reference period concerned.

(2) An employer shall not be obliged to comply with a request under this paragraph by an employee if that request is made before a reasonable length of time has elapsed since a previous such request has been made of the employer by the employee, being a request that has been complied with.".

Amendment agreed to.
FIFTH SCHEDULE.

I move amendment No. 48:

In page 39, to delete lines 15 and 16.

Amendment agreed to.

Amendments Nos. 49 to 63, inclusive, form a composite proposal and may be taken together by agreement.

I move amendment No. 49:

In page 42, line 7, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

What is the purpose of that? Presumably, there is some legal significance.

I take draftspersons advice on turning simple ideas into legal language. The draftsperson has changed his mind in this respect.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 50:

In page 42, line 11, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 51:

In page 42, line 14, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 52:

In page 42, line 15, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 53:

In page 42, line 18, after "agreements" to insert "or agreements".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 54:

In page 42, line 19, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 55:

In page 42, line 22, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 56:

In page 42, line 25, to delete "employee's" and substitute "worker's".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 57:

In page 42, line 27, to delete "employee's" and substitute "worker"s.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 58:

In page 42, line 38, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 59:

In page 43, line 13, to delete "employee" and substitute "worker".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 60:

In page 43, line 36, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 61:

In page 43, line 38, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 62:

In page 43, line 45, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 63:

In page 44, line 7, to delete "employees" and substitute "workers".

Amendment agreed to.
Fifth Schedule, as amended, agreed to.

I intend to introduce amendments to deal with health and safety fines and the enforcement of Employment Appeals Tribunal orders on Report Stage.

A letter was received from 3Comm this morning concerning section 14, which we have already passed. Will that be dealt with by way of amendment on Report Stage?

The matter will be clarified in discussions.

I will move the motion in the Dáil tomorrow morning.

Title agreed to.
Report of Select Committee.

I propose the following draft report:

The Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy has considered the Organisation of Working Time Bill, 1996, and has made amendments thereto. The Bill, as amended, is reported to the Dáil.

Report agreed to.

Ordered to report to the Dáil accordingly.

I thank Members and, particularly, Opposition spokerspersons who put a great deal of thought and effort into this Bill. It is important legislation and will have a big effect on the lives of workers and employers. I thank the Minister for the manner in which she dealt with questions. I also thank my staff, the staff of the House, the convenor and all who listened patiently to our debate for six and a half hours.

I thank the Opposition spokespersons for a lively debate. Like any important legislation, this Bill is contentious. We had a constructive debate and I hope we will deal with it positively on Report Stage. I thank you, Chairman, for the efficient way you chaired a difficult debate and I also thank your officials for their courtesy and the convenor for getting the numbers right.

I thank you, Chairman, for facilitating a good debate on this important legislation. I also thank the staff of the committee for their efficiency in photocopying and circulating to Members the comprehensive submissions we received. My party supports the broad thrust of this Bill. We had a major disagreement with the Minister on the 48 hour voluntary opt out clause. While we did not win many votes, I thank the Minister for accepting my amendment to insert the word "or". I ask her to take note of the points made on issues such as Sunday work, zero contracts, etc. so that we might reach agreement on Report Stage. I thank her for her work on this Bill.

I join in the expressions of appreciation, although I do not know why we are appreciative of the Minister who did not accept any of our amendments. I thank you, Chairman, your staff and the Minister's officials for their work on this Bill.

The Select Committee adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 5 March 1997.

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