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SELECT COMMITTEE ON ENTERPRISE AND SMALL BUSINESS debate -
Wednesday, 21 Mar 2001

Vol. 4 No. 3

Agreement Between the Government of the People’s Republic of China and the Government of Ireland.

There is only one item on the agenda for this meeting, consideration of the terms of the agreement on scientific and technological co-operation between the Government of the People's Republic of China and the Government of Ireland, which has been referred by Dáil Éireann to this committee for its consideration.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Treacy, and his officials, Mr. John Fallon, assistant principal, and Mr. Shane McHugh, executive officer. I will now ask the Minister to make his opening statement.

Is mór an onóir dom féin agus do mo chuid oifigigh ón Roinn a bheith anseo libh. Déanaim comhgháirdeas libh as ucht an tseomra íontach álainn atá le fáil dúinn do na cruinnithe seo. I am pleased to be here with my officials, Mr. Fallon and Mr. McHugh, to discuss this very important item - the agreement on scientific and technological co-operation between the Government of the People's Republic of China and the Government of Ireland. The agreement was signed by the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Harney, and the Vice Premier of the People's Republic of China, His Excellency Li Lanqing, during a trade mission to China last September, which was led by the Tánaiste The negotiation and signing of the agreement form part of Ireland's policy of pursuing greater international linkages and co-operation in the field of science and technology.

Ireland's high rates of economic growth in recent years have changed what was, in the not very distant past, a situation of high unemployment and immigration to one of near full employment and immigration. While this growth has largely been achieved through greater inputs of capital and labour, our living standards in the future will be more dependent on improvements and productivity. Innovation will be more important than ever in raising productivity and such innovation can only flourish in the context of a vibrant research and development culture. Taking full advantage of technological improvements and the development of new products, processes and working methods will become an increasingly critical element of Ireland's future competitiveness.

Significant investment in RTDI is required if we are to build on the economic prosperity of recent years and ensure continuing high levels of growth, increased employment and further develop the capacity of Irish companies to prosper in an increasingly competitive environment. In response to this need, the Government has provided nearly £2 billion for RTDI under the National Development Plan, 2000-2006. This represents almost 5% of the total funding under the plan and must be seen for what it is - an unprecedented level of investment in the RTDI base of this country. The primary aim of this investment is to encourage more Irish firms to carry out research and development and to encourage those firms already involved in research and development to invest more substantial resources in this area, and a number of specific schemes are being implemented by Enterprise Ireland and IDA Ireland to achieve this aim on behalf of our Government.

Ireland also needs a sufficient cadre of highly developed researchers to ensure that all of our efforts to establish a knowledge based and high value added economy are successful. The Government is accordingly taking a range of long-term measures now to increase the numbers of people pursuing research careers. These measures include ensuring that prominence is given to science subjects right across all stages of education, from primary to third level, facilitating the training of researchers and increasing the attractiveness of science as a career both in research institutions and in industry. Of particular concern in this regard is the need to increase the number of women pursuing careers in science and technology.

Central to these initiatives is the concept of an holistic RTDI system involving all players in education, industry and research institutions on an equal basis. The investment in RTDI under the plan is structured so as to promote the co-ordinated development of all elements of the RTDI system using a variety of programmes across a number of Departments and Government agencies.

This strategy encompasses investment in industrial research projects and facilities, to encourage all companies in Ireland to develop and increase their RTDI capabilities. It also involves measures to promote greater collaboration between industry and the third level sector to encourage the formation of research and development networks and ensure that industry can obtain maximum benefit from the excellent research being carried out in our colleges. This strategy also encompasses a £550 million investment in third level infrastructure to ensure an output of high quality graduates in the disciplines and technologies most relevant to this country's future development.

Perhaps the measure which draws the clearest link between research excellence and long-term economic growth is the establishment of the technology foresight fund which provides for an investment by us of some £560 million in world class research infrastructure in key strategic niche areas of biotechnology and information and communication technologies. This investment is designed to build up a critical mass of top quality Irish researchers in these areas. Science Foundation Ireland, now popularly known as SFI, is a dedicated research foundation whose website may be viewed at sfi.ie. It has been set up under the aegis of Forfás to manage, allocate and disburse the new fund. SFI launched its first call for proposals last July. Assessment of the proposals submitted is still ongoing and SFI should be in a position to announce details of the successful applicants during the next month.

Governments can act as a catalyst to promote research and development, not only through national research and development programmes but also through participation in science and technology programmes at international level.

We have concentrated on developing our international linkages, mainly through ongoing participation in the EU research framework programmes as well as through the collaboration mechanisms of both EUREKA and COST. We have actively supported the development of a European area of research and innovation as endorsed by the Lisbon Summit last year and are co-operating with the EU Commission in advancing the priorities set out at Lisbon.

It was in the context of promoting European Community policy that I attended the ASEM science and technology Ministers' meeting in Beijing in October 1999, a meeting which was widely recognised as a significant step forward in science and technology co-operation between Europe and Asia.

There have been a number of high level bilateral contacts between Ireland and China, including trade missions to that country led by both the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste. The seventh session of the Joint Commission on Economic, Scientific and Technological Co-operation will take place on 9 April next.

During the visit of the Vice Premier of the People's Republic of China, his Excellency Li Lanqing, to Ireland in April last, the suggestion was made by the Chinese side about the possibility of a bilateral agreement on scientific and technological collaboration. It is a measure of the priority which the Chinese Government places on linkages with Ireland that a high level delegation came to Ireland shortly afterwards to negotiate an agreement, which was ready for signature by the Tánaiste when she visited China in September last. The agreement is intended to promote and encourage co-operation in science and technology between the two countries on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. It provides a formal framework for the development of collaboration between scientific institutions, research centres, institutes of higher education and companies in both China and Ireland.

Specifically, the agreement provides a framework for co-operation on project oriented software development in areas of mutual interest, exchange of scientific and technological information and data and the exchange of scientists, researchers, technicians and trainees for visits, study tours and advanced studies, organisation of bilateral scientific technical meetings and joint research on projects of mutual interest and implementation of co-operation projects and programmes.

The new agreement is expected to bring a number of benefits to Ireland, including partnership and linkage opportunities for Irish companies on an individual company to company basis as well as technology transfer opportunities to license technology developed in China for use in Irish firms. In addition, the exchange of scientists, researchers, technicians and trainees for visits, study tours and advanced studies offers further opportunities to effect the transfer of knowledge and skills.

China has expressed particular interest in collaboration in the area of software development. China and Ireland are both committed to rapid growth in the IT sector, particularly in computer software, and China is seen as a high priority export market in this area. By encouraging such collaboration between Irish and Chinese companies and by heightening the profile in China of Irish hi-tech firms, this agreement will further the goals of the Asia-Pacific strategy.

In the course of negotiations on this agreement it was agreed that both sides would encourage the appropriate parties in their respective countries to initiate discussions on the formation of business associations to deal with trade relations between Ireland and China. Following discussions between IBEC and the Chinese Embassy, the China-Ireland Business Association was established in January last. The new association will organise regular meetings to develop links between Irish and Chinese companies and to help such companies exchange views on issues of mutual business advantage.

This agreement comes in the context of expanding industrial linkages between China and Ireland. In June 2000, a Chinese software delegation led by Mr. Feng Jichun, Deputy Director General, Department of the Development and Commercialisation of New and High Technology, visited a number of leading edge Irish hi-tech companies. The trade mission led by the Tánaiste in September last involved over 50 companies, many of which were active in the hi-tech sector.

A number of the Chinese software delegations have since visited Ireland, including a delegation from the software engineering centre of the Chinese Academy of Sciences which visited our hi-tech parks. These delegations are expected to continue throughout this year. In fact, I understand that tomorrow the Tánaiste will be meeting a software delegation lead by Vice-Mayor Lin of Beijing.

I should mention also that last month an agreement on education co-operation was signed by the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Woods, and his Chinese counterpart, Madam Chen Zhilli, which addresses many issues including student exchange, language studies and measures intended to promote mutual recognition of third level certification.

These developments come at a time of increased industrial and political linkages with China in the context of China's expected accession to the World Trade Organisation. The Department of Foreign Affairs has recently upgraded its presence in China with the establishment of a new post at Counsellor level in Beijing and a new Consulate General in Shanghai.

This international agreement builds upon developing links between China and Ireland. It is based on a pragmatic, bottom-up, demand led approach, where industrialists and researchers decide what are their specific requirements and needs. Any costs incurred in overseeing the implementation of the agreement are expected to be minimal and will be met as appropriate from the international collaboration subhead of the science and technology budget, subhead F of the Vote of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, which is excellently managed by the office of science and technology. This is represented at the meeting today by Mr. McHugh and Mr. Fallon and I pay tribute to them and all their colleagues because they operate a dynamic, focused organisation which does an outstanding job in a quiet manner at an important time for Ireland. They have introduced innovative measures and supports and brought them to me and the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment for political support. They have been taken to Government and we have acknowledged the opportunities that exist and responded in a generous and historic way. I commend the agreement to the committee and ask it to send a message of endorsement to Dáil Éireann to formally approve its terms. The agreement is most important for our future.

I congratulate all those involved in this important agreement. I agree with the Minister's comments about the outstanding work of the officials. The opportunities for business are wonderful. Both sides will encourage the appropriate parties in the respective countries to initiate discussions of business associations. This is most important given the population of China and it augers well for Ireland in the global economy. Ireland's involvement in the technology and commerce areas means it is up there with the best in the world.

It is most important that people work with the agreement and take ownership of it. They should avail of the opportunities it will present. A delegation will arrive in Ireland tomorrow as a follow up to the agreement. It should be fully endorsed and a clear message should be sent in that regard. We are aware of the volatility in the software sector, but the agreement provides small companies with an opportunity to grow. China is due to join the new treaty and the World Trade Organisation. It is important to be there from the start and to welcome the participation of China in the WTO. Ireland should play a role in that regard.

The good links that have been established by the Minister and the delegation and the possibility of trade links with Irish companies are most important. I am open to correction, but the population of China is approximately 1 billion. Many Chinese goods are sold in Ireland and there are huge opportunities for reciprocal trading from Ireland to China. It is important to develop these links. The Minister alluded to research and development in Irish companies. It is important that companies engage in research and development and the £550 million fund will encourage people to be aware of the potential of the Chinese market. I am delighted to endorse the agreement. I congratulate all those involved. It is a great day's work and I hope it creates huge potential for Irish exports to China.

I extend a warm welcome back to Deputy Perry. I thoroughly enjoyed his contributions, support and participation at previous meetings. We sadly missed the Deputy for a couple of months and we look forward to him fully participating in this committee again.

I have been a member of a number of other committees and the Chairman's stewardship is a good example. I have returned a little wiser. The other committees do not drive their members as much as the Chairman drives us. However, that is a compliment to the Chairman.

I thank the Deputy. We are delighted to have him back.

I am delighted to be back.

The Deputy's contributions have always been positive and constructive and we look forward to working with him.

I am pleased to chair the meeting on the presentation of the agreement on scientific and technological co-operation between China and Ireland by my good friend and colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Treacy. I concur with the comments of Deputy Perry and the Minister that while the main focus of the agreement is on scientific and technological research, it will assist in other areas in terms of expanding Ireland's trade and business links with China.

As the Minister said, we have witnessed a huge explosion in the market that can be tapped in relation to student exchanges and language studies, given Ireland's standing in the international marketplace. The Minister and his officials should be aware that the committee spent some time in the United States in 1999. We met a number of Irish people and companies who were extremely successful in the software industry in Silicon Valley. Given that China may be a large market for our software in the future, perhaps we will hear about Irish companies and people who have experienced similar success in China in the years ahead. Another market will be available and I hope that success will result.

Some progress has been made by companies such as Baltimore Technologies. Members will recall that representatives of the company met the committee. It has already signed a partnership agreement with the largest software company in China. The Kerry Group has also established an Asian office. The Minister said that an Irish-China business association has been established and this will be a useful aid to Irish companies that are keen to expand into the Asian market and to engage in joint ventures. Perhaps the committee should give this matter further consideration in the future in terms of the progress made by the association and whatever supports and assistance the committee may be able to offer. I will ask the clerk to note this matter for a future meeting of the committee.

As the Minister and Deputy Perry said, the agreement is a positive step and will mean much to the Irish marketplace. I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Treacy, and his officials, Mr. Fallon and Mr. McHugh, for their attendance. I also thank the members for their attendance because it has been a busy week for the committee. It only concluded its business a short time ago.

I thank the Minister of State and the officials for the presentation. How will the agreement be monitored in terms of the advantages smaller companies can reap? I understand how the agreement can be encouraged and that various sums, including £2 billion and £550 million, are available but how will this investment move downwards into the economy from the companies the Chairman mentioned, including Baltimore Technologies which are well advanced, to related companies that are involved in software design and other such developments? How will they be financed and encouraged to begin trade with China? How will their success be monitored subsequently? What would be considered success in that regard and how will it be rated? How can small companies take advantage of the money that is available? Are there any reverse possibilities?

Is there a possibility that in forming such relationships, China would examine software manufacture here or the hardware associated with the software and basing companies here? Is that mechanism provided for in such an agreement so that discussion on that type of development can take place? Are there other agreements?

I was part of a parliamentary delegation who visited Beijing, Hong Kong and so on. There is a sizeable market in the region. I often wonder about its size in comparison to ours. Is that market availing of our expertise? What do we get from it?

I thank the Chairman and Deputies Perry, Ardagh and McGuinness for their contributions. Deputy McGuinness asked how we monitor the agreement. It is monitored carefully in a tripartite manner. The agreement is monitored on the ground by Enterprise Ireland's team in Asia, based in Beijing. One of our most outstanding public servants is there. He has tremendous international experience and has a small team. There is a strong nucleus of focused Irish people involved in business in Beijing and throughout China, who work closely together. The Enterprise Ireland office is linked to the embassy which observes trade independently. The embassy reports to the Department. The Enterprise Ireland office reports directly to its headquarters in Dublin, which also reports to the Department. We receive a dual response. The office of science and technology is the third leg of the process as it reviews the information from the embassy and Enterprise Ireland and it makes a final report to the Tánaiste, myself and, ultimately, to Government.

The Chairman referred to Baltimore Technologies. During the Tánaiste's visit to China the company signed a partnership agreement with Neusoft and it also volunteered to take the first Chinese interns under the Enterprise Ireland MOFTEC internships programme which was launched during the trade mission. Baltimore Technologies secured in December an $800,000 contract for encryption software with MOFTEC, which is likely to set up an office in Beijing this year. Baltimore is currently processing the first interns from MOFTEC to come to Ireland for training.

Another Irish company, Eurologic, opened its technical support office in Beijing in January and it hopes to have an official opening of the office later this year. Enterprise Ireland will have an information booth at the Comdex electronics show in Beijing from 4-7 April and a small group of Irish software companies is expected to attend the fair and will have meetings in Beijing during that week prior to the commission. Enterprise Ireland will develop the internship programme during the year. It is designed to train young Chinese IT professionals and managers in Irish companies and approximately ten interns will be sent here this year.

Enterprise Ireland will also launch a Chinese website later this year which will be used to cross-link and reference any development under the science and technology agreement. The micro-electronics centre in Cork signed a co-operation agreement with two main universities in Shanghai and the company has been asked to develop a research centre and park there. Portobello and Griffith Colleges are examining collaboration with other Chinese colleges also and Enterprise Ireland hosted a delegation comprising most of our universities and some language schools on the China international higher education tour which visited Beijing on 16-17 February, Cheng Du 20-21 February and Shanghai on 24-25 February. The Minister for Education and Science was involved. The agreement covers a number of important areas, including student exchange, joint research initiatives, language studies and exchange of information and paved the way for talks about mutual recognition of degrees and qualifications.

Deputies Perry and McGuinness commented on the opportunities and what is in it for Ireland. China's population is 1.25 billion, which is one-fifth of the world's population. It is the world's largest market which is beginning to open up. Prior to this China operated an enclosed regime, looking inwards rather than outwards. That has changed and China has received sanction to join the World Trade Organisation which will immerse the country in global trade. Ireland is committed to internationalisation and trade across the world and we are focused on ensuring we maximise the opportunities presented to us.

Ireland can bring skills, leadership, commercial application and practicality to many opportunities that exist in China. China has a fine education system and many of its people are intellectual. China has the human resources in abundance that can help us to grow companies and our economy and globalise these companies and to fulfil the Government's aspiration, goals and targets in the NDP.

The provisional trade figure for Ireland's exports to China from January-October 2000 was £103.5 million, a 38% increase on the same period in 1999. Ireland's exports to China totalled £93 million in 1999, an increase of 58% on 1998. Ireland's principal exports to China are chemicals, pharmaceuticals, computers, electrical apparatus and industrial machinery. This is a significant opportunity for Ireland in the largest market in the world. We have the companies, capacity, resources and ability with the support of Enterprise Ireland through agreements such as this between Government to give the profile support and ensure doors are opened and business can be done.

Irish companies can obtain research funding under a range of programmes operated by Enterprise Ireland. The RTI scheme is available to small companies These schemes are designed to increase the research and development conducted by companies, including SMEs. We are focused on that. That is managed through the office of science and technology. We allocate budgets and while we have a say, Enterprise Ireland makes the final decisions. That has worked exceedingly well for Ireland. I commend the agreement to the committee and thank members for their time and attention.

This is an historic time of great opportunity for Ireland. The country is doing extremely well but our success must be managed correctly and we must ensure the partnerships and co-operation that has led to the consensus which has brought the economy this far is maintained. This week Dr. Brian McSweeney has been appointed, following stiff international competition, by the European Commission as the new director general of the joint research council in Europe. It is the fist time an Irish person has reached such heights and it is a great tribute to him and Ireland. We are thrilled with the appointment. He is the second official to be appointed at that level in the JRC. That demonstrates that Europe respects the way we have managed research programmes in Europe and the enthusiastic commitment we have to resources and standards in Ireland. We are confident that research, technological development and innovation will be the way forward. If we can penetrate markets, such as the Chinese markets, the future for our economy and our people is wonderful.

I thank you for that positive response. On behalf of the committee I join the Minister of State in congratulating Mr. McSweeney.

I ask the Clerk to the committee to send a message to the Clerk of the Dáil confirming the joint committee has considered this agreement.

The Select Committee adjourned at 5.40 p.m.
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