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SELECT COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND THE PUBLIC SERVICE debate -
Wednesday, 26 Apr 2006

Vote 14 — Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised).

The purpose of today's meeting is to consider the Taoiseach's group of Revised Estimates. A draft timetable for the meeting has been circulated with the agenda. Is it agreed? Agreed.

On 23 February 2006 the Dáil ordered that the following Revised Estimates for public services, inter alia, be referred to this committee for consideration: Vote 2 — Department of the Taoiseach; Vote 3 — Office of the Attorney General; Vote 4 — Central Statistics Office; Vote 13 — Office of the Chief State Solicitor; and Vote 14 — Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions. I welcome the Taoiseach, Deputy Bertie Ahern, the Ministers of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputies Kitt and Treacy, and their officials. We will commence with the Taoiseach’s opening statement.

I thank the Chairman and the committee for receiving the Estimates for the Department of the Taoiseach and associated offices for 2006.

A total of €37.598 million has been provided in the Estimate for my Department in 2006. This represents a decrease of 3.5% on the 2005 allocation, arising mainly from the completion of the work of the Information Society Commission. It also represents an increase of 28% over the 2005 outturn, reflecting the significant provision made in both years to provide for completion of the Moriarty tribunal. I will outline some changes in the allocation of funding to subheads within the Vote, particularly in respect of the National Economic and Social Development Organisation, NESDO, the Commission of Investigation, the National Forum on Europe, the Moriarty tribunal and the e-inclusion fund.

The Estimate for my Department has been allocated to fund a range of activities to advance the objectives set out in our strategy statement. My Department plays a key role in supporting the Government as it continues to progress national priorities, including sustaining a strong knowledge-based economy, balanced development and a caring society, as well as supporting civic life through good government, promoting our interests within the EU and the wider world and our overriding priority of securing lasting peace in Ireland.

The Minister for Finance announced a reform of the Estimates process, including an annual output statement by each Department, commencing in 2007. I am pleased that my Department has been able to produce this statement a year ahead of schedule and I hope that it will be of assistance to the committee in its consideration of the Estimates by facilitating greater understanding of what the Department does with the resources provided. The statement, which I have provided for the committee's information, expands on each of the Department's objectives, particularly on its achievements during the past year, and outlines the targets which we aim to achieve in 2006. This document also, for the first time, explicitly links inputs and resources to the expected outputs. Using this new reporting format, I will outline to the committee the key objectives and projects that will be progressed during 2006 in respect of each of the Department's high level objectives.

My Department provides the secretariat to the Government and acts as a link between the President, the Taoiseach and other Departments. The Department supports effective policy development by fostering a whole-of-government approach and exercising a facilitation role in respect of many cross-cutting issues. The secretariat provides an overall support role for the various Cabinet committees, which contribute significantly to policy-making.

My Department aims to continue to improve its service in support of Government decision-making by providing a comprehensive and effective service, both in advance of and following Cabinet meetings. The new e-Cabinet system has made a major contribution in this regard, resulting in a complete change in the way Government memoranda are drafted, circulated, submitted and considered at Cabinet. Considerable efficiencies and benefits have emerged from this, including improved presentation of Government memoranda; instant secure transmission of Cabinet documentation; elimination of time lags relating to printing and delivery; and improved consultation.

Throughout the year the secretariat continued to engage with all Departments in managing the substantial change process in implementing and operating the system, which, in its first full year of operation, has supported some 25,000 transmissions of electronic documents.

Earlier this month Prime Minister Blair and I announced our plans to restore devolved government in Northern Ireland. On 15 May, the Assembly will be recalled with a specific and primary responsibility to form a power-sharing Executive. We want to see an Executive elected before the deadline of 24 November. We are very clear that this is a fixed deadline. If it cannot be met then, the two Governments are agreed that this will have immediate implications for our joint stewardship of the process and that British-Irish partnership arrangements would be necessary in these circumstances to ensure implementation of the Good Friday Agreement across its structures and functions. While we must plan for the possibility that agreement may not be forthcoming, our goal and priority is to secure agreement between the parties by 24 November. The arguments for cross-community, devolved government in Northern Ireland are compelling. For the first time since 2002 Northern Ireland's politicians are being given the opportunity through the Assembly to agree on the establishment of a power sharing Executive. There is a particular onus on the two largest parties, the DUP and Sinn Féin, to engage with one another and everyone else and give the initiative a chance.

Recent developments have helped the political climate. The IRA statement in July, followed by its announcement on decommissioning in September, were two particularly significant steps. Earlier this morning the two Governments published the tenth report of the Independent Monitoring Commission, IMC. This is the most positive IMC report to date and comes at a vital time. I welcome the fact that its assessment of the Provisional IRA is positive. It is the IMC's view that the IRA leadership has committed itself to following a peaceful path and has expended considerable effort to refocus the movement in support of its objective. The IMC states it is not aware of current terrorist, paramilitary or violent activity sanctioned by the IRA leadership. It states the leadership continues to seek to stop criminal activity by its members and to prevent them from engaging in it. It also states it is not aware of any intelligence related activity which is outside the aims of the statement of July last year. I believe the developments outlined in the report should help to create an environment in which the political parties can come together on 15 May next and begin the process of agreeing a devolved Executive.

The two Governments will continue to urge the parties towards agreement. It is, however, for the parties themselves to engage, to agree and to move on. This is what we want them to do. It is what the initiative of the two Governments allows them to do. I hope they will seize the opportunity.

In subhead D €200,000 has been allocated for commemoration initiatives. This significant increase on last year's outturn allows for certain projects to mark the 90th anniversary of the 1916 Rising and the Battle of the Somme. The military parade held in Dublin on Easter Sunday, 16 April 2006, to commemorate the 90th anniversary of the 1916 Easter Rising was a resounding success. Some 120,000 spectators watched as 2,500 military personnel marched in the parade which highlighted the Defence Forces' role in United Nations peacekeeping missions. Earlier in the day I attended a wreath-laying ceremony in Kilmainham Gaol to commemorate those who had participated in the Easter Rising.

The strong public response reflects a broad consensus that the men and women of 1916 deserve to be commemorated, deserve our continuing respect and, most of all, that their sacrifice and achievement deserve to be remembered. The parade reflected both the heritage and the evolved role of the Defence Forces, specifically their service abroad on peacekeeping duties with the United Nations. The ceremonial order observed on the occasion was of an inclusive nature, acknowledging the totality of lives lost in the Rising.

The select committee will also be aware of the establishment of a 1916 centenary committee to make preparations for a major celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Rising in 2016. The Government will bring forward arrangements for the centenary of Easter 1916 to be commemorated in an appropriate manner and which will permit all the people to take pride in that remarkable generation that laid the foundations of the State.

The sum of €60,000 under subhead L was allocated to allow the independent commission of inquiry into the Dublin and Monaghan bombings to complete its work. The last report from Mr. Justice Barron concerning the 1975 Dundalk bombing was issued recently. The report also contains references, in the form of appendices, to other incidents brought to the attention of the inquiry, including bombs in Castleblayney, Dublin Airport, Silverbridge and the Miami Showband murders. This marks the completion of the work of the commission of inquiry and no further expenditure is envisaged.

Provision has been made for the completion of the work of the commission of investigation into certain matters related to the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. At the end of February Mr. Paddy MacEntee SC, the sole member of the commission, was granted an additional extension until 31 May 2006. This was necessary to allow him to pursue a line of investigation which had arisen. In accordance with the requirements of the legislation, Mr. MacEntee provided me with a third interim report which was published and placed in the Oireachtas Library. Although it is unfortunate that we will have to wait a further period before the final report is available, everyone will agree on the importance of Mr. MacEntee being allowed sufficient time to pursue any lines of inquiry that he deems relevant. I am grateful to Mr. MacEntee for the work he has completed to date and look forward to receiving the final report.

Funding of €337,000 has been provided in subhead N to promote mutually advantageous co-operation between Ireland and Newfoundland and Labrador through the Ireland-Newfoundland partnership. The work of the partnership spans co-operation initiatives and activities in a wide range of sectors, including marine science and engineering, arts, culture, tourism and education.

The defeat of the referendums on the European constitution in France and the Netherlands was a significant setback in the process of its ratification. The June European Council decided on a period of reflection, allowing for a broad debate in all member states on the European constitution and on Europe generally. My Department is active in using this period to encourage understanding of the importance of issues in the ratification process for Ireland and for Europe.

My programme of meetings with international partners forms part of Ireland's strategic approach to developing our bilateral political, economic and cultural relations with non-EU countries. These meetings also serve to maintain Ireland's position at the forefront of international affairs and raise our profile in terms of inward and outward economic and investment opportunities.

In January 2006 I made a successful visit to India, accompanied by an all-island delegation. I was pleased that business and educational organisations from both sides of the Border were represented. Like my visit to China in 2005, the visit was undertaken in the context of the Government's Asia strategy, the goal of which is to heighten Ireland's profile in the region, develop and nurture business connections and enhance bilateral relations.

The Government's economic strategy is working well and the performance of the economy is the envy of the rest of Europe. Significant progress is also being made in several key areas of infrastructural development. Transport 21 provides €34.4 billion for transport infrastructure development over the next ten years.

The economic and social policy division of the Department works with other Departments and agencies in preparing the ground and providing advice for major decisions that require a whole of Government perspective. The division convenes the cross-departmental team on housing, infrastructure and public private partnerships and the senior officials group on social inclusion that support Cabinet committees chaired by myself. The division also works with other stakeholders in several key areas, including financial services. It also works with the Central Statistics Office in promoting the use of statistics in evidence-based policy making.

The division plays a critical role in maintaining and developing the structure of social partnership. In this context, the current negotiations on a new agreement to succeed Sustaining Progress are presenting a major challenge. The negotiations are being conducted on a strand-based approach. Officials of all relevant Departments are participating in the talks. The positions to be finally agreed in the context of these talks will reflect the Government's policy priorities since the response to the social partners in the talks is determined by my colleagues and me. I hope the progress made in discussion of the sensitive and challenging area of employment standards will enable the process to proceed to address the pay and other key elements of a new social partnership agreement.

The National Economic and Social Council, NESC, continues to be at the forefront in identifying and analysing strategic policy issues. The council's work during 2006 will involve completion of its work on child income supports, publication of a report on migration policy and completion of work on the Lisbon strategy, focusing particularly on policy learning through the open method of co-ordination. Other topics are the preparation of a periodic social report, requested by the Government, and reports on competition and regulation in networked sectors and taxation policy. There is provision of €952,000 in subhead B to fund the council's activities in 2006.

The National Economic and Social Forum, NESF, evaluates and monitors the effectiveness of policies and programmes to tackle inequality and social exclusion in the context of social partnership agreements. The forum, with its strands of the Oireachtas, employer, trade unions and farm organisations, community and voluntary sectors and central and local government, is uniquely placed to harness the views of a wide range of interests. The forum has decided on three priority work topics for 2006: the delivery of quality public services, cultural inclusion and mental health. A provision of €704,000 has been made in subhead H for 2006 to fund this work.

The role of the National Centre for Partnership and Performance, NCPP, is to lead and support change in Irish workplaces based on partnership. A particular focus this year is on building a greater commitment to innovation in the workplace as part of a knowledge-based economy and society. In 2006 the activities of the centre are based on five broad programmes of work which include practical approaches to promote partnership as an enabler of change, providing support to a high level implementation group for the national workplace strategy, managing and administering the proposed new workplace innovation fund, and working in collaboration with other agencies on the key research priorities arising from the national workplace strategy.

The centre aims to create greater awareness among employers and employees of the strategy and the services provided by the centre in support of workplace transformation. This will involve working towards a much greater level of engagement from the social partners in targeted sectors of the economy. A provision of €1.46 million has been made in subhead G to fund these activities.

The National Economic and Social Development Office comprises the NESC, NESF and the NCPP. Its primary role is to add value to the work of its constituent bodies by creating the conditions under which co-operation between them can be maximised, joint projects pursued and the potential for duplication minimised. The National Economic and Social Development Office Bill has completed all Stages in the Dáil and awaits Second Stage in the Seanad. Pending enactment of the legislation, the office has been operating on a non-statutory basis.

In 2006 the office will manage and co-ordinate a joint initiative on a learning society foresight project, which follows up the work of the Information Society Commission. The foresight project is being undertaken to create a wider understanding of requirements for the learning society and to assist policy makers in seeing the implications for their areas of responsibility. A provision of €1.923 million has been made in subhead L for NESDO in 2006. This will fund the joint activities to which I have referred and the costs of running the office premises and shared administrative services for the NESC, NESF and NCPP.

An allocation of €200,000 has been provided in subhead R of the Department's Vote for the new task force on active citizenship, as part of the Government's commitment to encouraging active citizenship and developing sustainable communities. The work of the task force, to be chaired by Ms Mary Davis of Special Olympics Ireland, will be to recommend measures to facilitate and encourage a greater degree of engagement by citizens in all aspects of life and the growth and development of voluntary organisations as part of a strong civic culture. The allocation will cover administrative costs, including a consultation process and publication of a report on its findings.

Good progress continues to be made on the modernisation agenda for the public service. As the committee will know, this is an area on which we work closely with the Department of Finance which has responsibility for implementation of many of the modernisation initiatives across the Civil Service and public service.

Sustaining Progress set out a substantial modernisation programme for the public service. An important development was the establishment of performance verification groups, PVGs, with independent chairpersons in each of the main sectors, that is, the Civil Service, health, education, local government and justice. The PVGs were given responsibility for verifying the progress achieved under the modernisation programme before the pay increases provided for under the agreement could be paid. This established a clear link between pay and the implementation of change. The Government will be seeking to strengthen this linkage and ensure similar arrangements will apply in any successor agreement.

As the committee will know, the terms of Sustaining Progress expire for the public service in June this year. Negotiations have been under way for some time with a view to securing agreement on a new national social partnership agreement and it is vitally important that we succeed. A new agreement will include further public service modernisation measures. This will give us the opportunity to build on changes already started in key areas of the public service such as human resources management, financial management, regulatory reform and quality customer service.

An allocation of €8.052 million has been made in subhead J to fund the ongoing work of the Moriarty tribunal and provide for costs which will arise if the tribunal concludes its work in the current year. An allocation of €407,000 has been made for the All-Party Committee on the Constitution which will continue its very valuable work on reviewing the Constitution.

I turn to the other Votes which are the subject of today's meeting. Vote 3 is for the Office of the Attorney General. The 2006 Estimate for the office is €15.199 million. Of this, €13.155 million is for operating costs. The remaining €2.044 million is provided by way of a grant-in-aid to the Law Reform Commission. Salaries, wages and allowances in the office account for €8.707 million. Some of the extra costs arise from up to five advisory counsel being recruited for training and subsequent secondment to a number of Departments. After secondment, the cost of the advisory counsel will be met by the Departments concerned.

An allocation of €1.151 million is earmarked for office machinery and other office supplies. The costs arising include those in respect of the roll-out of the new case and records management system being installed in conjunction with the Office of the Chief State Solicitor, the installation at year end of the office's new human resources management system and the updating of the electronic Irish Statute Book on the office's website and by way of production of a new CD-ROM. The case and records management system is now operational in many areas of both offices and roll-out is expected to be completed in the summer. The 2004 chronological tables, 2005 Acts and statutory instruments to June 2005 are expected to be available on the office website from mid-May and the CD-ROM as soon as possible thereafter.

The consultancy services provision of €1.298 million includes a sum of €623,000 for the employment of consultant drafters who are required in view of the Government's extensive legislative programme and a sum of €150,000 for the employment of contract researchers on the pre-1922 legislation project. The remaining €525,000 arises from IT and other consultancies — €257,000; restatement of legislation — €206,000, and updating of the chronological tables for the electronic Irish Statute Book — €62,000.

The Law Reform Commission is continuing to implement its second programme of law reform for the period 2000 to 2007. By the end of this year, the commission will have completed or begun 27 of the 32 projects identified in the second programme. It is engaged in 16 separate projects this year and intends to publish ten major documents.

Vote 13 provides for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Chief State Solicitor. The estimate for 2006 is €38.042 million which represents an increase of €2.2 million or 6% on the outturn for 2005. This includes funding for the continued implementation of a new case and records management system, undertaken jointly with the Office of the Attorney General. Provision has also been made for implementation of a new human resources management system. An allocation of €5.65 million has been made in subhead A to provide for the local State solicitor service. This includes provision for a package of measures to facilitate the transfer of responsibility for the local State solicitor service to the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions. The Estimate also provides €11.043 million in subhead B for fees to counsel engaged in litigation and advisory work for the office and the Office of the Attorney General.

The Estimate for the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions is €33.65 million. This provides for the salaries and expenses of the director and his staff, fees to counsel engaged by the director to prosecute cases in the various courts and legal costs awarded against the State arising from judicial review and other legal proceedings.

I conclude by commending the Estimates to the committee and thanking committee members for their attention. I will hand over to the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Treacy, who will make a statement on European affairs and then the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Kitt, who will make a statement on the Estimates in respect of the knowledge society initiatives and the Central Statistics Office for which they have ministerial responsibility.

I have special responsibility for European affairs and I am supported in this role by the work of the European and international affairs division of the Department which works in liaison with the Department of Foreign Affairs, at which I am also Minister of State, to promote Ireland's interests in the European Union.

The Lisbon Agenda is the European Union's programme for economic growth and development. It operates as a partnership for growth and employment, under which each member state has prepared a three year national reform programme covering macro-economic, micro-economic and employment policies. Overall, Ireland is performing well on many of the key agenda indicators. The goal for the next three years is to sustain and build on the progress made in recent years. The future financial perspectives are also an important dossier which determines the EU budget for the period 2007 to 2013. The budget which achieved political agreement at the European Council in December 2005 protects the interests of each member state and will allow the enlarged Union to move forward on a sound financial basis. The agreement provides for appropriations in the period 2007 to 2013 to 1.045% of EU gross national income. Ireland expects to receive in excess of €13 billion which includes some €10.4 billion in direct farm payments and market supports; rural development receipts of approximately €1.9 billion and some €800 million in Structural Funds.

It was also agreed at the European Council meeting in December that arrangements would be put in place for a new inter-institutional agreement between the European Parliament, Council and Commission in order to achieve a balance between EU budgetary discipline and effective resource allocation. The European Commission has recently brought forward a set of proposals on the financial framework which are under consideration by the Parliament. I expect the perspectives will be agreed with the European Parliament in the coming months.

The national Forum on Europe is playing a key role in facilitating the debate in Ireland during the period of reflection which has also been one of engagement for the forum. During this phase of its work, the focus has shifted to the broader issues facing the European Union, including globalisation, sovereignty and security; the CAP and trade; globalisation and the Single Market, and enlargement. The forum has established itself as an independent space for debate and dialogue on issues relating to the European Union and Ireland's place in it. It has brought the debate across Ireland and to a wide range of groups and interests. There is continuing interest in its work, reflected by the interest in joining the forum's special observers. It now has over 40 member organisations. There was a high level of response to the forum's call for submissions from both organisations and members of the public. Use of the forum's website is increasing. This shows the interest in the major public policy questions being discussed. The willingness to contribute to the debates is very positive. I am also glad to say the forum is seen across Europe as a model of democratic engagement.

I conclude by commending the Estimates to the committee and thank committee members for their attention.

At my request and that of the Taoiseach, the knowledge society policy unit has commenced work on the development of a new knowledge society strategy in consultation with Departments and agencies. The new plan will take account of outcomes from the previous one, New Connections, the final report on which is being prepared, to provide a strategic framework for a renewed commitment across the whole Government and reflect priorities at EU level articulated in i2010. While the shape of the new strategy has yet to be fully defined, it is envisaged that it will include several themes, in particular infrastructure development, digital inclusion, technology and government, business infrastructures and digital content.

The Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources is making specific infrastructural investments to address broadband market failures and will continue to review options in the area, especially regarding peripheral and rural areas. Improved broadband coverage is a priority because of its important implications for business competitiveness and productivity. Higher levels of infrastructural investment and more competition on the supply side will be the key drivers of broadband growth in Ireland.

Some €1.5 million has been allocated to fund e-inclusion initiatives in 2006. The e-inclusion fund provides for expenditure on initiatives that support the participation of late adopters of technology in an inclusive information society. The Government's objective is to provide each individual in the State with an opportunity to access and exploit technology. By building capacity to exploit technology, the Government aims to ensure all individuals can participate fully in the information society in order that our economic and social development, as well as our global competitiveness, are promoted and advanced. The priority for the Government must be those individuals at most risk of being on the wrong side of the digital divide.

The most recent household survey statistics from the CSO show that many have no reason or wish to use modern technologies such as the Internet; they do not perceive them as being of value. This suggests there should be a stronger focus on the creation of meaningful and useful content to stimulate greater demand by providing a reason to use, to enable everyone to exploit technology to maximum advantage, and to provide the levers of change and advancement that can help people overcome the barriers of personal and economic circumstance.

As part of the process of deriving a new strategy for development of the knowledge society, the knowledge society policy unit has commenced a series of workshops with relevant stakeholders to consider the impact of current initiatives and examine examples of best practice. Based on the workshop discussions, its evaluation of available research, the current social partnership negotiations, and activities in Europe, a new e-inclusion strategy will be drafted.

The focus of the 2006 fund will be decided in the context of the development of the new strategy, with criteria for the selection of projects and project evaluation regarding once-off financial assistance from the fund. Some €500,000 has been allocated to support work being undertaken by the Department of the Taoiseach, in partnership with the Department of Finance, regarding new developments in the area of technology in government and the infrastructural requirements to support joined-up government.

The challenge now is to see how we can maximise the use of technologies through technology convergence and interoperability and support greater interconnectivity across the public service to facilitate the continued transformation of the public service to make better use of data, information and knowledge in the continued improvement of service delivery and policy development.

We have a good track record in providing services on-line. For example, the Revenue on-line system, ROS, last year alone saw over 1.5 million tax returns, together with €12.1 billion in payments and 65% of self-employed taxpayers' returns. Some 87% of all new car registrations were also filed on-line.

I come to Vote 4 — the Central Statistics Office, CSO. The CSO is responsible for the collection, processing and publication of official statistics on economic and social conditions in Ireland. While its main focus is on the statistical requirements of government, there is a very wide community of users of statistics. They include the social partners, numerous public bodies, the business community, universities, research institutes and the general public. There is also a significant international dimension to the work of the office, and the demands resulting from EU regulations are continually increasing.

Net expenditure by the CSO in 2005 amounted to €44.415 million. The 2006 net allocation is €84.761 million. The large increase this year is owing to the census of population. Last Sunday, 23 April, was census night. The CSO enumerators are currently collecting the completed census forms from every household in the State. The census is the largest statistical project conducted by the CSO and about 4,500 enumerators have been employed to collect the census details. The overall cost of the census, from preparation to final results, is about €50 million, of which about €37 million is being incurred this year. The first results of the census, giving the current population of the State, will be available in July and the full programme of detailed census publications will be completed within two years. All the results will be published simultaneously on paper and the CSO website.

Apart from the census, the quarterly national household survey continues to be a major source of information on demographic and social trends. It provides figures on the labour force within three months of the end of each quarter. The survey also covers a range of social topics on a modular basis. During 2006 the modules will focus on crime and victimisation, sport and social capital and the transition from work to retirement.

A more comprehensive picture of disability and how it affects people's lives will be obtained from the post-census national disability survey to be undertaken in the autumn. The survey will ask questions about such factors as the degree of severity, the type of disability and the extent to which persons with a disability are enabled to use transport, gain access to and use buildings and participate in education, employment and social life.

Another important survey dealing with social conditions is the EU survey of income and living conditions which began in June 2003. The survey provides information on poverty, deprivation and social exclusion and is an important information source for national and EU policies, including the national anti-poverty strategy. The most recent results, for 2004, were published last December.

The fieldwork for the most recent household budget survey was completed in December 2005 and the results are being processed. The survey takes place every five years and provides information on household income and expenditure. The results also underpin the calculation of the consumer price index which is rebased at five-yearly intervals. The National Statistics Board Strategy for Statistics 2003-2008 emphasises the role of statistics in supporting evidence-based decision-making. The CSO is continuing to work actively with other Departments and agencies to promote the statistical use of administrative records and help it develop its data and statistics strategies. In the past three years much of this work has been focused on social statistics and developing new thematic reports such as measuring Ireland's progress and women and men in Ireland.

More recently the CSO has prepared a report for the National Statistics Board on policy needs for statistical data on enterprises. Following an extensive consultation exercise by the Department and agencies dealing with the business community, a new business statistics integration unit has been established in the CSO to co-ordinate the response to the data needs and strategic recommendations in the report.

Information technology is an important part of the work of a modern statistical office. The CSO is implementing a major project to upgrade its computer systems for recording and processing survey information. The new systems will use the latest technologies for data storage and statistical processing for over 100 surveys conducted by the CSO. The project is well advanced at this stage and scheduled for completion in early 2007. The new IT systems have been designed to support a rapid response to new requirements and take advantage of e-government initiatives as they come on stream.

I have mentioned that the results of the census will be published on-line at the same time as they are made available on paper. That is the CSO's approach to all statistical releases and publications. The office is continuing to develop its website as a first port of call for statistics on Ireland. A significant feature of the site is the on-line dissemination database which gives easy interactive access to customised tables from a wide range of CSO statistics.

The number of staff provided for in the CSO's Vote for 2006 is 904. This compares with a figure of 814 in 2005. The increase in numbers is owing to work associated with the 2006 census of population.

I commend the Estimates to the committee and thank members for their attention.

I thank the Taoiseach for attending to present the Estimates in person and for his very wide-ranging contribution. I could not possibly do justice to the many themes on which he has touched. Perhaps I might start with what an economist is supposed to know best, the price of everything and the value of nothing. The Taoiseach seeks approval for a budget of €210 million, three times that of a previous incumbent, former Deputy John Bruton, when he last made a presentation before the committee. In the meantime we have doubled the number of legal staff in the Offices of the Attorney General, the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Chief State Solicitor and increased the number of communications staff, or spin doctors, by 55%.

I want to get down to a serious point. In this request for €143 million more than in 1997 we have not seen a single indicator of what extra performance is being achieved. I acknowledge that the Taoiseach is presenting a new format today. If the Taoiseach looks at the column of targets for 2006 he will see that virtually none of them is measurable. We will be back this time next year and there will be a statement in the big fleshy column of all the things achieved, but they will not be compared to a target, and that is crucial. I believe the moves that both the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance are making are far too timid. The crucial issue is that we need to see that the extra money we are voting is matched by a commitment to new targets and enhanced performance. That is the important thing. It is little wonder that we fail to have the type of planning framework that delivers quality infrastructures and so on when we have this enormous fundamental weakness.

I will just give an example from last year. This time last year members of this committee and the Government committed to Estimates. Some of the announcements in the press statements that accompanied those Estimates referred to 230,000 extra people with a medical card or a doctor-only card, an accident and emergency department initiative that was to achieve substantial reductions in the number of trolleys, three acute medical units for the Dublin hospitals, 1,100 gardaí, the implementation of the Children Act, integrated ticketing in Dublin, a Dublin central railway station and so on. These were things Ministers committed to when they announced their Estimates.

As the Taoiseach knows, and I know, none of these has been delivered. Some have been delivered to a very small degree. Until we move to a point, however, where Ministers make commitments and set targets, the Taoiseach must hold people accountable for making these commitments, taking the money and not delivering. That is the fundamental change that I believe needs to come about. What the Taoiseach has presented today is interesting and is a small advance. It is not as good as what was in place in the mid-1980s when we barely had a thread to seat our pants, however. Money was really scarce, yet the comprehensive programme on public spending was far better then. We have ducked on this.

The other issue on which I believe the Taoiseach must make a change is Benchmarking II. I know that he and his Government maintain the pretence that Benchmarking I delivered serious public service reform, but I do not accept that. I do not believe the public got anything to match the payments it made. Indeed, no sooner was the money paid out than Ministers were saying that hospital laboratories only worked from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m., consultants were not available to make decisions in accident and emergency departments, gardaí did not have flexible rostering to go to places of greatest emergency, the Irish Prison Service was being run on chronic overtime etc. That was after the €1.3 billion was paid. Ministers were coming out with all these excuses about need for reform in the public service after the carriage had left the station. That is not good enough and must not happen with benchmarking II.

Even though he says his Department is the key to changing this, I do not see in the Taoiseach's document any agenda of change that indicates benchmarking II will be different. We see a little bit more as regards the underpinning of the awards, but that is really not what will satisfy people. We have chronic weaknesses in the framing of crucial strategic planning processes, the national spatial plan, the transport plan and the lack of a pipeline of robust projects. There are enormous problems in the public service in delivering what this country needs. We have to take public service reform really seriously.

The Taoiseach gave a commitment to IBEC, I believe, or at the management conference in 2001, on a strategic infrastructure Bill, yet five years later we still have not got it. The Taoiseach recognised this was a problem. Presumably all the public servants arraigned before him recognised there was a problem, but we do not have it. Something is going chronically wrong as between targets and delivery and people do not seem to be held accountable when things do not happen, even when the Taoiseach puts his authority behind particular initiatives as he did on that occasion.

Time is short, but I detect complacency in the manner the Taoiseach is talking about the success of the Irish economy. I am the first to say that we have had extraordinary success. Consistent political priorities have been pursued in policy and the Taoiseach's Government deserves credit for this, as did the Government that preceded it. However, we have to recognise that the balances in our economy are changing. We are struggling in export markets and have had three years of consistent loss of export share. The export performance last year was the worst for 20 years. Allied to that is the building industry where conditions are really booming. It now accounts for 24% of GNP, 13% of employment — the share of employment is up 50% since 1987. Despite the enormous expansion we still have serious overheating in terms of pricing.

The Central Bank states that credit is growing at an unsustainable rate and the NESC states that the patterns of housing development in the past decade are unbalanced and unsustainable and we are storing up significant environmental, budgetary and economic problems for the years to come. Furthermore, it states that this has been occurring in a context when there are well defined feasible alternatives that are sustainable.

Any idea that the Government is managing development in the housing sector to achieve sustainability has been totally abandoned. The Irish Times had an editorial on that today, which is a significant contribution to the debate. I welcome the debate the NESC is talking about, on migration policy. I believe this is a very positive element as regards what is happening here, even though there is much negative concern on the issue. It is a positive development in the country. I floated the idea recently that we should be willing to give people votes after three years of legitimate residency to show that we are open to this as a positive contribution to the way Irish society works. I hope that this debate is positive in tone because there is a danger that we see migration in negative terms.

I continue to believe that consumers in Ireland are very poorly served. They are in the cold when it comes to partnership arrangements. The lobbies represented are the producer interests, whether in the public, private, union or employer sector. These are producer interests. The voice of passengers was not heard in the debate about bus competition, for example, and the voice of patients is rarely heard. The voice of consumers is rarely heard. The voice of pupils and parents is very much relegated as second rate, yet these are the people who pay when the cost of public services, for instance, move five times ahead of inflation. Their voice is not part of social partnership.

I honestly believe the Taoiseach should be looking to change the way that partnership works to include the consumer role and have this focus on public service reform. The Oireachtas should have a role. The last national wage agreement never went to the Oireachtas in any shape or form. That is bizarre and extraordinary.

I welcome the Taoiseach's learning foresight project that he referred to as something coming up. It is important that we look ahead in that area. I welcome, too, what the Minister of State, Deputy Kitt, had to say about the need for new policy on statistical data on enterprises. That is very good. However, I ask the Taoiseach to consider a new study for parliamentary use on statistical data on governance. I find it is very hard to get good solid information about how the Government is performing in crucial areas, whether on hospital waiting lists or whatever. Deputy Catherine Murphy raised OT waiting lists. Right across the range it is very difficult for us as practising parliamentarians trying to deliver a service to get hold of timely and relevant information. The CSO has the capacity to look at policy needs on enterprises. Maybe it could look at the need for data on governance in order that we could do the job of governance better.

I welcome the Taoiseach and his team and thank him for his presentation. In the nature of things we are in the run-up to a general election and in that sense his statement obviously concentrates on what he sees as positive from his perspective. Everybody here, I believe, wishes him well in the continuing work towards the implementation of the Good Friday Agreement. I certainly hope that the initiatives which have been undertaken will come to a successful outcome. I believe all parties are in agreement across the Dáil in respect of that.

There are a number of interesting items about which I wish to ask the Taoiseach. Reference to a number of themes has been made throughout the document, in particular the development of IT technology and broadband. Since the sale of Eircom right through to the various initiatives undertaken afterwards, this country, even though it was a leader ten years ago, is lagging behind in information technology. This has effects in different parts of the country on what appears to be a random basis. It can be very difficult for some businesses to have reliable and reasonably priced broadband access. The problem started with the Government's policy decision on Eircom, which turned into a total fiasco. The Government made a killing from the sale of Eircom and the employee pension fund benefitted significantly. We know that hundreds of thousands of small investors lost their shirts, but the social and economic cost has not been measured in this statement. The problem with the new format is that there is no measurement of outputs. The output indicators in the original drafts submitted by the Minister for Finance are very broad and generalised. It would be difficult to agree or disagree with them because they state the blindingly obvious. Given that we are now hovering around the bottom of the league in respect of broadband penetration and IT, how does the Taoiseach propose to address the problem?

Another company wishes to take over Eircom. It proposes to split the company again and to sell off what it can of what remains. This company has indicated that it may be in it for the network and, therefore, for the long haul. However, it intends to asset strip everything else to the bone. Has the Government taken into account the strategy of the current owners of Eircom in selling the company to another set of venture capitalists? They will pick the carcass of a key piece of our technological infrastructure.

The Taoiseach continually referred to cross-cutting issues and he made some positive statements on housing. We have listened to this in the context of social partnership for a number of years. The reality is that after culling the housing application lists in Fingal, there are now 3,500 people on the housing list for social housing. The proposal by Fingal County Council is to build 300 to 500 social and affordable houses per annum, yet this is the best county in the country for building such houses. This means that people will be obliged to wait an average of eight years before they obtain houses. The system for affordable housing is seizing up and there will be little to show over the next two years. What is the cross-cutting interdepartmental activity doing to produce outcomes? Where are these outcomes measured? The headings talk about 2005 achievements and 2006 targets. These are so general as to be almost meaningless.

West Dublin is the fastest growing area in the State. Today, round two offers of primary school education went out to parents. There were 100 children awaiting primary school places in one school, but only 11 received round two offers. I received telephone calls earlier from distraught parents who have no place to send their four year old children. For all the interdepartmental initiatives, the Minister for Education and Science and the Minister of State with responsibility for children admitted that they got it completely wrong. After four months of waiting, I finally received an answer today from the HSE that the Alzheimer's ward of the James Connolly Memorial Hospital in Blanchardstown is to be shifted for a year. Although the wards were sold to a developer in 1999, no planning was carried out by the cross-cutting interdepartmental groups or by the Minister for Health and Children to provide for these Alzheimer's patients. To the enormous distress of their families, they are to be moved. What is the Taoiseach's response to the human distress caused by the debacle in the health services?

There are 45 people employed in the Taoiseach's Department to support the Government. Access to a Government spokesperson on a 24-hour basis is listed as one of the achievements for 2005, as is access to press officers on the same basis. What are the costs involved in this? There are also references to emergency planners in various Departments. Is there an emergency planner in the Department of Education and Science to deal with the children who have been told today that they have no primary school to attend? Is there an emergency planner in the Department of Health and Children to deal with the Alzheimer's patients who are to be moved for at least a year? This must be done while the work that the Government promised is done seven years behind schedule. The Taoiseach made a very positive electioneering statement, but the Opposition must ask the difficult questions.

I wish to ask the Minister of State, Deputy Kitt, a technical question. When will the preliminary census results be available for publication? They are normally available three months after the census. Will we have the DED figures at that point? If, as expected, some constituencies show enormous increases in population growth, will the Government consider referring that to the electoral commission?

Ba mhaith liom ar dtús fáilte a chur roimh an Taoiseach agus a fhoireann don choiste um thráthnóna.

We are addressing the Estimates in April, which is an improvement on previous years. Nonetheless, we are one third of the way through the year. As has been acknowledged here, this is a very token exercise. Members of the committee have very little opportunity to influence Government decisions on the expenditure of public moneys under any of the Estimates presented to us. I suggest that we endeavour to do this earlier next year, before Easter if possible. Moreover, while I do not have the answer, I suggest that some methodology be devised that would allow or compel Ministers, when determining their respective Estimates, to take on board the views of all Deputies on the various committees at the earliest stage possible. Members have a valuable contribution to make. Heaven forbid but it might also be a good investment in the futures of the Taoiseach and his ministerial colleagues sitting on either side of him.

I wish to raise a number of points. As yet, there is no evidence of the introduction of multi-annual budgeting, although I note that the Minister for Finance seeks to address changes with regard to how he presents the overall Estimates process. However, there is no evidence of the introduction of multi-annual budgeting in anything heard by the committee today. This must be taken on board properly.

It is good that the Taoiseach is present and that is having an opportunity to hear the views of members outside the Dáil Chamber. There are other fora and this is a different style of engagement. Deputy Burton made the point that the forthcoming general election means that minds are critically focussed on what lies ahead in the coming months. I heard one Minister of State joke recently that one should not worry about the health services because the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Harney, and the Progressive Democrats will take the blame for them. However, it would do no harm to remind the Taoiseach and all his colleagues, including the Minister of State in question, that this is far from being the case. No end of distancing oneself will excuse either the Taoiseach or his Department of co-responsibility in the debacle within our health services over the past nine years. That should be sharpening the Taoiseach's attention at present.

The Taoiseach and his Department have direct responsibility for the peace process. As members get many opportunities to address him on current issues regarding the peace process, I do not intend to go down that road again. Members spoke on some of these issues in the Dáil earlier. However, I wish to touch on the Department's stated strategic objective regarding the peace process. While it is fine as far as it goes, I strongly recommend to the Taoiseach and his Department that it should reflect on both the aspiration and the intent to proactively work towards the achievement of Irish national reunification. It is glaringly absent from the strategic objective as stated. I believe this would be an important statement to make, both for its written value and as something to be followed up and proactively pursued.

The most important people to whom this point should be made are not the other political players or the wider electorate in this State. It should be stated boldly, courageously and correctly to that section of our people on this island who hold to a Unionist outlook. I have no doubt that unless it is actually stated and unless there is engagement in the form of the employment of an exercise that spells out clearly the social and economic benefits, great cultural opportunities and the potential which it presents for all the children of the nation, in its widest application, sections of Unionism will not seriously consider the prospect of national reunification as a viable alternative to the current position that obtains. This point must be made.

The Taoiseach and the Government must be the frontline champions of the case and cause for Irish national reunification. It would be extremely important to emphasise to Unionists, through that engagement, that they have both the opportunity to be aware of, briefed on and conscious of the steps to be taken and the obstacles to be overcome and that they are invited to proactively participate in the shaping of that new political entity, that is, an all-Ireland republic. Many among them that I meet at different levels are quite open to the idea of exploring and examining the type of society that we hope to shape. It cannot be done as matters stand and must be proactively pursued. I commend this critical area of responsibility of his Department to the Taoiseach in the strongest possible terms.

I wish to highlight a number of deficiencies in the commentary offered under the heading of achievements in the main document circulated to the committee. I refer to the outputs for strategic objective A, Northern Ireland objectives, achievement for 2005 and target for 2006. There is no reference whatsoever to the ongoing violent implosion of loyalist paramilitarism throughout 2005, or to the continuing sectarian attacks which are of major concern to Nationalists, republicans and, indeed, to people within the broader Unionist family. Only yesterday, the Dáil discussed the terrible murder of Raymond McCord Jr. None of this is mentioned here. Demilitarisation is not mentioned, nor is there reference to the demand for truth and justice by the families of victims of collusion in the Six Counties. These are extremely important matters. I am coming to a conclusion in terms of my opening statements. I presume members will have the opportunity to come back to specific areas. Is that the Chair's intention?

Yes, there will be opening statements followed by a quick response from the Taoiseach. I want to facilitate Deputy Catherine Murphy in this respect.

I wish to make a final point. I do not wish to leave the points made on a negative note and I hope the Taoiseach will take them in the positive spirit in which I presented them. That said, however, I also wish to add that I hope we can look forward to real progress in many of the areas to which I have alluded over the coming weeks and months and preferably, in the shortest number of weeks possible.

My last point before handing back to the Chair regards the Forum for Peace and Reconciliation. For want of a better description, it remains in reserve, with a sum provided in the event of its recall. I question whether there is any value in the retention of that provision. Would it not be better if the moneys set aside in the Book of Estimates were directed towards the initiation and establishment of the all-Ireland civic forum? The latter would be a much more appropriate body for this purpose, given that it would emanate directly from so many people's hopes and expectations regarding the Good Friday Agreement. I will leave it at that and will return to the specifics later.

I also welcome the witnesses. As I have been in the Dáil for just over one year, this is the first occasion on which I have been through this process at the committee. Page 16 of the Taoiseach's presentation jumped out at me because it refers to the three dominant areas of health, education and local government, as well as quality customer services.

I have no problem with spending money as long as we set the correct targets and obtain value for money that can be measured. I concur with Deputy Bruton in that regard. However, I find it difficult to establish whether we get quality public services because the relevant information is frequently extremely fragmented. In an example concerning the health services, I tried to pursue information regarding the comparison of therapy services and frontline services in different parts of the country. However, it was as though the old health boards still existed, without access to the information. Such information should be available because it is closely tied to the delivery of services to meet a growing population, as is the census.

I identify with the point made by Deputy Burton about the provision of schools. If one drives down the Naas dual carriageway, one can see a sign on the national school in Kill stating that it is full and asking parents not to contact it. There is at least one class of children in Kill who do not have a place to go to. This is the kind of measurement the public will bring to our attention. Elected representatives, including myself, find themselves in the position of firefighters. I firefight with public services to try and match people with services. I did not expect that it would happen to the extent that it has.

We have performance indicators in respect of local government. It is all very well to measure performance but if funds do not match performance, problems will arise. I have a complaint about the way in which the local government fund is dispersed, which does not appear to take on board the census of population. It is almost impossible to deliver quality services if this does not happen. It is a particular difficulty in areas which are developing very rapidly, such as the area I represent.

I have a question about information on page 18, which concerns the remaining €525 million arising on IT consultancies and other consultancies, restatement of legislation and updating the chronological tables for the electronic Irish Statute Book. What is this for? I am aware of bad examples of IT, such as the PPARS system and electronic voting, but it is right to draw attention to good examples of IT, such as the motor taxation system. However, there does not appear to be a strategic approach across the public service. The approach used is fragmented so one finds good and bad examples of IT projects. There is a danger that people could add to systems which were not designed for such a purpose, which is a dangerous approach.

The amount we take from the EU in terms of our receipts has been indicated. It is important for us to balance this up and state whether we are net contributors and beneficiaries. We would have relished the goal of coming close to being net contributors when we joined the EU because it is a measure of our success.

I am an avid collector of statistics and a great admirer of the census of population. I have studied copies pertaining to County Kildare for the last number of years. However, I see no serious evidence that the census is used to decide the delivery of services. It is right and proper that we carry out the census but I can list a range of areas where inequalities exist. For example, the number of frontline therapists in County Kildare has not been increased since 1997. This should not happen if matching is taking place.

I was sceptical about the military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising but it turned out to be a very dignified and appropriate occasion. I would like to see this deepened. Certain people are concerned about where we are at the moment and the kind of community we will create in the future. It is very important that we reattach ourselves to the idealism of the rising, which is not often accomplished by giving something to people. We should try to reattach ourselves to this idealism in a way that allows people to interact. An effective public record office where people could interact with information would be an example of such a constructive approach. I was very taken with some of the witness statements, which I reread recently. The content of these statements reminded me of the qualities present in the past. It is important that people interact with this information and I hope this kind of approach is connected to future celebrations of this kind.

I am aware that the Taoiseach's time is very limited but I wanted to give everyone an opportunity to speak while he was present.

I could give a very long answer, as I do when these points arise in the Dáil every day. Deputies are aware that I deal with such issues on a daily basis. They will not object if I remind everyone that we are dealing with the Vote for the Department of the Taoiseach, which does not encompass education, hospitals or broadband. Therefore, I will not address these issues, with which I deal on a daily basis.

Deputy Bruton asked whether targets can always be quantifiable and whether I can quantify exactly issues which are supportive of policy making. We quantify issues wherever possible but it is not possible to quantify costs against delivery in many areas. I understand that Deputy Bruton is asking for Ministers to report on line Departments, which they must do at the moment.

The comprehensive public expenditure statements of the 1980s alluded to by Deputy Bruton were rubbish. They were produced on an historical database long after the event in question, were only carried out twice and were of no use.

I disagree with the Taoiseach. I found them extremely useful.

Deputy Ó Caoláin mentioned the fact that we are discussing the Estimates for this year in April when there are eight months remaining in the year. The statements referred to by Deputy Bruton were historical reference points. They may have been interesting from the perspective of someone researching Irish historical data but in terms of the case put forward by Deputy Bruton, they were worse than useless. As they were only carried out twice and dropped afterwards, everyone else obviously agreed that they were useless.

Public service reform is taken very seriously. In a number of speeches, I set out the nature of the further challenges sought in negotiations on the public service front. I agree with the point made by Deputies that this is important to set out in these areas what we are trying to achieve through the modernisation agenda.

I take serious issue with the assertion that no substantial progress has been achieved on a range of issues. This is not to say that everything was given away with regard to staff interests. A considerable amount of reform was achieved in practically every Department and agency and the health service as a result of those negotiations.

People did not give away their contracts. Consultants did not change their contracts from the old 911 contract because they have a written contract which contains their terms of employment. Staff such as general practitioners or radiographers will not give away their service. I am still unhappy about the way in which some of these contracts were given away. The problem is that they received cast-iron contracts and only negotiations will bring about an end to them. At various times over many decades for many reasons, whether it was for laboratory technicians, biochemists or others, the State made these agreements. They cannot be arbitrarily done away with. There is always a necessity in the verification process to try to negotiate on those.

Deputy Bruton is right. I totally agree with him that if one were starting with a blank page again, one would certainly not make the types of agreements and contracts that were there, but we are not in that position. We are in a position where people will not lightly give away the agreements and contracts to anybody. I have been in negotiations with public service unions for 20 solid years. There are things they will do. The more professional they are, the less they will give. That is the reality of life. The more letters after the name, the less flexible and more trade union-minded they are. They might not call themselves trade unions — professional organisations meet in better hotels than trade unions would. When they get to negotiations, like any craftsman or unskilled worker they hold what they have, try to maintain their privileged positions and try to ensure they carry it on for the next generation.

People at this meeting may think the case is otherwise, but I have sat with the unions and moved them slowly in many ways. This is the reality. I agree with the point that in each round of PVGs, we should try to achieve and maintain more. There are serious negotiations ongoing in many areas with most of the professional organisations, particularly in the area of health, where we must maintain the range of negotiations. It is very difficult to get the kind of breakthrough one really needs to make the substantive progress that would make a significant difference.

Consumer interests are being more centrally addressed by the national consumer agencies as well as by ensuring that consumer service and quality are at the heart of each Department and organisation's planning and delivery, including consultation with and feedback from consumers. Consumer issues are not being ignored but I accept the point that they should not be forgotten.

On a small matter of detail, as I will not let Deputy Bruton get away, the figure for support staff for this year, including the press and information function, is €668,000. This is probably not far off the salary of an editor of some of our newspapers. There are very few people working in this area. When the Tánaiste had an office in my Department, there were probably more people working in her section.

What about the 17 people in the Government information office?

This Government is proven in these matters. We have done away with these people. The Deputy wants to accuse us and say we should not have done away with them but I did this because I saw how many people the Deputy's party brought in during the two and a half years it was in government and how hopeless that was. I did away with that system but have kept a very small part of it. The figure is only €668,000.

Do the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform deeply regret the closure of the Tánaiste's office? They might have known a bit about health and justice before they took on those issues.

I will not go back. The leader of that time is no longer in politics. If he were around, he probably would have closed the office too.

With a nail.

I will make one point on connectivity. Recently I have attended meetings with a number of telecommunications companies. Deputy Burton is right. Parts of the country are like elsewhere. Northern Ireland recently subsidised its service. It is digitising the exchanges and putting in resources to try to deal with those black spots where there was no connectivity. We are doing other things, such as the MANs project and some other good initiatives that are helpful.

One of the points made by the companies was that we should not make them state that availability and take-up are different. Collectively across the industry, they have been able to show me that there has been a large take-up. Our charts tend to be based on what the take-up is, but if one bases them on availability, they would paint a far better picture. This does not take away from the areas the Deputy is talking about, the parts of the country where we do not have a proper issuing of services. Broadband access through mobile technology has had massive penetration, which will continue with 3G technology.

On housing, we have worked to create an environment that will sustain high levels of construction. Supply and demand, as Professor Hansen has long said, is how to deal with this issue. Demand has remained far higher than anybody would have thought, which is keeping prices higher than expected. This creates problems, as Deputy Bruton correctly indicated, but we have introduced initiatives to support more serviced land, new planning legislation to support the affordability of houses and Part V initiatives, which will work better because the old stored-up planning permissions have run through the system. We saw the change in the latter half of last year and into this year. There is the affordable housing initiative, which will deliver more than 10,000 targeted houses. This will hopefully move from unserviced greenfield land to completion in a relatively short period. We are spending €1.4 billion on social housing. I readily accept that there are issues.

I will give great kudos to Fingal County Council for the work it has done. It has done an outstanding job and others should follow its example. Deputy Burton would agree with me. Recently, I looked at the statistics. There are 44,000 households on the national list but half of the list is comprised of families of one. Local authorities building three-bedroom houses for families of one is no good. They need to change their position to deal with the issue of families of one or two people. It makes no sense to build three-bedroom detached, semi-detached or terraced houses at huge cost, according to local authority figures, for just one or two people. This would not happen in the private sector and is not necessary.

It is proper that the resources go to those most in need, including families that require them. Fingal County Council's system of deciding by means of time on the list is far fairer than other systems, which create great resentment among people who have been on local authority lists for many years and see people coming in and jumping ahead of them. This increasingly creates anxiety.

I am cross-cutting areas here and not addressing my Department's Estimates, but since there are no questions on the Estimates, I will talk about education and other areas. In 1997, when I became the Taoiseach, approximately six second level schools being built in the country. I used to be able to remember them off the top of my head but gave this up after a few years. Now there are hundreds. As our population is rising because of the success of the country and this Government — not alone is no one really going away, but people want to come to Ireland from Europe and everywhere else — it is putting pressure on our school system in some places. Yesterday I was listening to people speak on the issue of the Inchicore school in St. Michael's Estate in my old constituency and saw that, for 63 pupils, there were eight teachers. In many other schools in my constituency in the heart of the inner city, there is a teacher-pupil ratio of 15:1.

I do not want to give good news stories only while not acknowledging that in some parts of west Dublin, where tens of thousands of new houses have been built in a short period of time, there is pressure, but we have 4,000 more teachers than we had in 2002. We are literally putting hundreds of millions of euro into new schools all over the country. There are pressure points because of the categories of non-Irish who have moved in, particularly in Deputy Burton's constituency of Dublin West. We must deal with those pressures. The Minister for Education and Science is doing her utmost to provide a major amount of new schools.

Some parties in Northern Ireland continually ask me to keep the Forum for Peace and Reconciliation on hold and some suggestions have been made. It is a matter for the parties to decide whether it should finally be abandoned. Mr. Mark Durkan, leader of the SDLP, recently stated it should be recalled to carry out further work. A decision has not been made but there is a requirement to keep the option open. I do not wish to abandon it even though we have no immediate plans for it.

I asked the Taoiseach about the reference in the report to emergency planners and the cross-cutting co-ordination by the Taoiseach's Department of emergency planners. I had not heard of emergency planners but the Taoiseach acknowledges that Deputy Catherine Murphy and I represent constituencies that are expanding. We have emergencies all the time but the Minister for Education and Science, and the Minister of State, Deputy Brian Lenihan, have admitted they were caught on the hop concerning numbers. Who are the emergency planners and what do they do?

I hope that the reason the Taoiseach has not responded to some of the points I made, including recommendations on emphasis regarding the task of moving towards reunification, is that he is on board the project. However, the language the Taoiseach uses is of concern to me. I do not know if this is due to the Taoiseach's scriptwriters. The Taoiseach states: "There is a particular onus on the two largest parties, the DUP and Sinn Féin, to engage with one another and everyone else and give the initiative a chance." This does not reflect reality and the Taoiseach has acknowledged the truth of the matter in the past. He is not so keen to do so now and perhaps the bells of the general election are the reason. The sentence should have stated that there is a particular onus on the largest party, the DUP, to engage with Sinn Féin and everyone else and give the initiative a chance. That is the factual situation. Sinn Féin is open, willing, ready and available to engage with all other parties and both Governments. I would appreciate clarification from the Taoiseach.

The Estimate includes a significant increase of 108% on last year for consultancy services. Can the Taoiseach explain it? I note similar significant increases for consultancy services under "Other Estimates". Funding for the Chief State Solicitor's office has increased by 148%. The Chief State Solicitor and his team appeared before the committee recently and real concerns were expressed in respect of the role and function of that office in determining and representing the State's interest in legal matters, particularly in defending the efforts of parents to secure through the courts the rights of their children to special educational needs and other resource needs. Why is there an increase of 108% in the Estimate of the Department of the Taoiseach and an increase of 148% for the Chief State Solicitor's office? This must be considered in the context of the Quigley report, arising from the Monica Leech affair, which recommended tighter controls on the use of consultants by Ministers and Departments. Surely these increases do not reflect that recommendation.

The emergency planners provide a 24-hour service, engaging with Sellafield and the Departments of Defence and Justice, Equality and Law Reform. My Department is involved with the Department of Defence in considering the possibility of bombings or nuclear disasters.

I answered Deputy Ó Caoláin's question at length today. The DUP should talk to Sinn Féin and I urged it to do so based on the positive IMC report. Engaging in dialogue with Sinn Féin would be helpful. Both parties are in a new position of having the largest mandate in Northern Ireland. Parties will have to work closely in order to create an inclusive executive as set out in the Good Friday Agreement. The DUP is not engaging with Sinn Féin but it should do so.

Subhead A.7, the provision of consultancy services Vote, has been on the decrease over the past number of years. It peaked in 2002 when there was a substantial spend on the new financial management system. A decrease of almost 50% occurred in 2003. The Department normally seeks a contingency provision for consultancy services to deal with matters that arise during the year but the purpose of this subhead is to provide for management consultants to provide expertise in areas where the Department does not have sufficient in-house expertise. This is the only case where my Department uses such services, usually in the context of the social partnership, where there is agreement that we engage in research or programmes. We contributed a certain amount to the workforce study last year in which Peter Cassells, chairman of the National Economic and Social Development Office, NESDO, was involved.

The consultancy service provision also includes €623,000 for the employment of consultant drafters and contract researchers for the pre-1922 legislation project in the Vote of the legal services because we did not have the required staff for this project.

I asked the Minister of State, Deputy Kitt, a specific question about the census.

Preliminary results will be published in July. The final data are expected in the second quarter of 2007.

Preliminary data are usually published after three months. Will this include information on electoral divisions?

Preliminary data will be published in three months and will include information on electoral divisions. Deputy Burton can assume there will be no changes in constituency boundaries because the schedule is very tight.

I thank the Taoiseach, the Ministers of State and their officials for assisting the committee in its consideration of the Revised Estimates, which is now completed.

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