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SELECT COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, PUBLIC EXPENDITURE AND REFORM (Select Sub-Committee on Finance) debate -
Wednesday, 14 Dec 2011

Taxation Agreements: Motion

The purpose of this meeting is to consider a motion referred by the Dáil on four double taxation agreements with the Federal Republic of Germany, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Panama, and two exchange of information agreements with the Republic of Vanuatu and Grenada.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Finance, Deputy Brian Hayes, and his officials. I thank them for assisting our consideration of this motion. A briefing note has been prepared by the Department. The Minister of State will address the committee, following which each of the Opposition spokespersons can respond. We will then have an open discussion.

I thank the Chairman for the opportunity to address the committee. I welcome the officials from the Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners and thank them for their work on this matter.

I am pleased to introduce four draft Government orders giving force of law in Ireland to new double taxation agreements with Germany, Saudi Arabia, Armenia and Panama, and two draft Government orders giving force of law to tax information exchange agreements with Grenada and Vanuatu, which I understand is in the South Pacific.

I will begin by saying a few words about the double taxation agreements and will then deal with the exchange agreements. Double taxation agreements are widely regarded as critical pieces of fiscal infrastructure for developing substantial bilateral trading and investment opportunities by reducing tax impediments that might otherwise deter such cross-border activity. For a small open economy like Ireland, dependant on trade and investment with other countries, continuing to expand our network of international tax agreements is not alone necessary but vital. Double taxation agreements facilitate trade and investment by providing greater certainty to taxpayers regarding their potential liability to tax in the foreign jurisdiction, by allowing taxing rights between the two jurisdictions so that the taxpayer is not subject to double taxation, by reducing the risk of excessive taxation that may arise because of high withholding taxes and by ensuring that taxpayers will not be subject to discriminatory taxation in the foreign jurisdiction. Double taxation agreements provide benefits to taxpayers and governments by setting out clear rules that will govern tax matters relating to cross-border trade and investment.

Tax agreements ensure predictability and fairness in the tax treatment of taxpayers and spell out clearly defined provisions that facilitate companies investing and doing business overseas. This is achieved by allocating exclusive taxing rights to one country, or where both countries retain taxing rights, by requiring the country where the taxpayer is resident to grant credit against its tax for the tax paid in the other country. Double taxation agreements cover direct taxes, which in the case of Ireland are income, corporation and capital gains taxes. They are comprehensive in scope, covering both the taxation of companies and individuals and are, in the main, an OECD model tax convention. Apart from relieving double taxation, double taxation agreements also include provisions dealing with non-discrimination in relation to taxation matters. They also include mutual agreement procedures which allow the tax authorities of both countries to consult with each other in taxation matters affecting the agreement and provisions that allow for the exchange of information for the purpose of preventing tax evasion.

Ireland's tax treaty network compares favourably with the networks of other larger OECD countries and now includes most of the world's major economies, accounting in aggregate for more than 80% of the world's GDP. The Irish treaty network has grown by almost 50% in the past three years. It is an astonishing achievement that during the course of the past three years there has been a large increase in the number of treaties put in place. We now have signed comprehensive double taxation agreements with 65 countries, of which 56 are in effect. Negotiations on new agreements with Egypt, Thailand, Ukraine and Uzbekistan have concluded and should be signed shortly. Negotiations on new agreements with Azerbaijan, Jordan, Qatar and Tunisia are at various stages and negotiations for a revised treaty with the Netherlands will commence next week.

The Minister for Finance and I will ensure that we continue to prioritise the further expansion of our tax treaty network over the coming months as a central element of our integrated strategy for an export-led, sustainable economic recovery for Ireland. I want to assure members that the Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners will continue to liaise with businesses and representative bodies to identify other countries with whom tax agreements would assist Irish business. Despite our best efforts, we have yet to secure some key jurisdictions. We will continue all diplomatic efforts to get these countries to the negotiating table.

I will now deal with the tax information exchange agreements. Tax information exchange agreements, while serving a different purpose, are also important international agreements which strengthen the ability of the revenue authorities in both countries to enforce their tax laws and thereby encourage the development of closer economic relations between both countries in the future. We have now concluded tax information exchange agreements with 19 jurisdictions, all of which are based on the OECD model. The model grew out of the work undertaken by the OECD to address harmful tax practices globally. The OECD model now represents the international standard for effective exchange of information in tax matters. There has been a significant acceleration of the process of signing these agreements between OECD countries and offshore jurisdictions over the last couple of years, stemming in the main from a threat by the G20 to blacklist jurisdictions that do not conclude at least 12 information exchange agreements. The TIEAs will allow the Revenue Commissioners to directly request from their authorities information that is relevant to Irish tax investigations, such as bank account information or company or trust ownership information. The agreements will, therefore, greatly assist the Irish Revenue Commissioners in tax investigations involving entities and bank accounts located in these jurisdictions.

Today's consideration of these agreements by the sub-committee is an important step in the ratification process. Draft Government orders confirming and giving effect in Ireland to the agreements were laid before Dáil Éireann on 25 November last, in accordance with the provisions of section 826 of the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997. A resolution by Dáil Éireann approving the draft orders is required before the Government can make the orders. The proposal that Dáil Éireann approve the draft orders has been referred to this committee for consideration. Following consideration by the sub-committee, the draft orders will be referred back to the Dáil for approval, following which the Government may make the orders and the agreements will be included in the Schedule to the taxes Act, by reference to a section in the forthcoming Finance Bill. If the sub-committee, following consideration, approves these orders and informs Dáil Éireann of that fact we can then proceed to include them as part of the Finance Bill which will come before Members during the first quarter of next year. From a scheduling perspective, it is important, following agreement of the sub-committee to the motions, that these be put in place.

I commend the draft orders to the sub-committee. I am happy to take questions from members in regard to the countries mentioned in the orders and on any matters they would like to raise.

I thank the Minister of State. There are two separate sets of agreements before us. The first is the double taxation agreements and the second is the tax information exchange agreements. The double taxation agreements are largely to ensure parties do not, by way of mutual agreement between the two countries, pay tax twice and how and in what manner particular gains, income or otherwise, should be taxed.

Perhaps the Minister of State will elaborate a little on the tax information exchange agreements. The Minister made the fair point in his speech that these have grown out of OECD work to address harmful tax practices globally. I am aware, largely anecdotally, that it is possible for international entities or corporations that have a multinational presence to engage in what could be described as "forum shopping" in terms of where they pay their tax. In other words, to derive the best advantage for themselves corporations could in some instances opt to pay tax in one country rather than another, which could generate a benefit for the corporation concerned and, perhaps, a loss for the country concerned. I am thinking in this regard of developing countries. This takes us into the area of transfer pricing, which is a more complex issue not on our agenda today. Will tax information exchange agreements address this type of situation? It is important we encourage the promotion of tax information exchange internationally.

The objective of the tax information exchange agreements is to ensure both countries have a flow of information about an individual or business so as to ensure that individual or business is paying tax. The tax information exchange agreements will be of benefit, in particular where people are not paying any tax, or businesses are using loopholes. The agreements are to assist the Revenue Commissioners here and the equivalent revenue authorities on the other side to have that flow of information. They are exclusively for that purpose. The other issue to which the Deputy refers is outside the context of the information agreements. This stemmed from an initiative of the G20 to reduce the potential for individuals or businesses paying no tax. Having the flow of information from Ireland and other countries is crucial in ensuring we stop tax evasion. They do not specifically refer to transfer pricing, which is more an issue between the full treaties. That is where the issue arises. Regarding the full treaties, when a multinational business is thinking about investing in Ireland and deciding between Ireland, India and another location, one of the issues brought to the table in discussion with our development agencies is the number and extent of agreements in place. The greater the number of agreements and treaties, the greater assurance they have that they are investing in a country and an economy with a network of treaties in place, and that adds some degree of assurance. That is where the issue of treaties makes a big difference for multinational and foreign direct investment potential. The specific issue of the exchange information agreements is simply a matter between the taxing authorities concerning who is paying tax and who is not.

The Minister of State is drawing a distinction between agreements and treaties.

I welcome the Minister of State and this development at what is a critical time for our economy to ensure we are facilitating companies to trade and export. Why are we so late in the day in creating one of these agreements with Germany, which is so central to Europe? Are there any other critical countries that remain outstanding? I welcome the development of the past three years, whereby we have improved trade agreements by 50%. What countries are outstanding?

This is one of our oldest agreements in Germany and is an amendment to an existing treaty. When the treaty was signed in 1962, we did not have capital gains tax. The new treaty updates our tax law for capital gains tax and other matters. As a key EU partner, Germany is a crucial market for this country and it is important that this was amended, updated and given the full force of law. We have concluded agreements with four other countries and are about to sign them. The signing is not just a case for us but for the other country as well because the agreement comes into effect when both jurisdictions have put them to their respective parliaments. While we might be effective in doing that, the parliamentary procedures in the other country are a matter for that country. We have four agreements that we are waiting to bring into effect and we have a pipeline of many other negotiations. The Deputy asked what would be a priority country for us in terms of emerging markets and the BRICS countries. Brazil is a key market with future potential and much Irish interest. We are keen to move forward. When the Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners are working on an issue, we work with colleagues in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade who negotiate it and bring it to a conclusion.

Brazil is critical for Irish business expansion but we are also working on many other countries. I recently visited the OECD and our extensive signing of agreements in recent years, which has increased by 50% in the past three years, is quite an achievement at diplomatic level for a small public service and at the level of the Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners. It is quite significant and it is important that it is part of Ireland's story of how we get out of our difficulties. We are a small, open, highly privatised, trading economy and trade is everything to us. The more agreements we have in place, the better it is for business so that Ireland can trade in that market.

Where do we stand with double taxation agreements with the BRICS countries?

Brazil is the only country we do not have an agreement with. We have agreements with all other countries.

Are they up to date?

Where are we on negotiations with Brazil?

The negotiations have not started yet but it is the ambition of the Government to bring the negotiations to fruition. One of the concerns in South America is the extent to which it depends on withholding taxes, which other countries fear in that region. Brazil is important for us, given its location and the size of the economy, but in order for an agreement to occur, it requires two parties to come to the agreement. It takes two to tango. While both parties want an agreement, we must come to terms on the agreement. We are working on the issue and we recognise Brazil as the only remaining BRICS country and, as such, it is an important nut to crack and is under active consideration.

I thank the Minister of State and his officials for attending.

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