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Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence debate -
Thursday, 10 Mar 2022

Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs (Revised)

I understand the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, will not be with us until approximately 3.30 p.m., but that should not inhibit in any way our consideration of the Estimate. The Dáil ordered that the Revised Estimates for public services in respect of Vote 27 - international co-operation and Vote 28 - foreign affairs be referred to this committee for consideration. I welcome the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Defence, Deputy Coveney. I thank him for being with us at this especially busy time for all of us but especially the Minister and his officials.

On behalf of the committee, I thank the officials and the Department for the comprehensive briefing we received in advance of this meeting. We will deal with Vote 28 under the relevant programmes and then deal with Vote 27. Members will recall from the last evening that it may be better to go through the headings swiftly rather than have a free-for-all. We will go through programmes A, B and C individually, insofar as we can.

I invite the Minister, Deputy Coveney, to give an overview of Vote 28 and outline any pressures likely to impact on the Department's performance or expenditure with regard to the Vote for the remainder of this year. I will then open the floor to questions from members of the committee on each of the programmes.

Due to the importance of our engagement and the value of time, I ask members to put direct questions on specific programmes, rather than make observations or general statements which may be more appropriate for a plenary session of the Dáil. I ask members to be conscious of time constraints. When we have completed consideration of Vote 28, we will proceed to Vote 27 with the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy. We can deal with that when he comes.

I reiterate the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person outside the House or an official either by name or in a way that makes that person identifiable. I remind members and witnesses to switch off mobile phones.

It gives me great pleasure to invite the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Coveney, to make his opening statement to the committee.

I am pleased to present the Revised Estimates for my Department for 2022. I hope committee members are not tired of listening to me given our conversations yesterday and again today. I will try to move through the Revised Estimates as quickly as I can.

I will focus on Vote 28 - foreign affairs. My colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, will address the committee afterwards with regard to Vote 27 - international co-operation, which has become more complex in the past number of years given the pressures of Covid and now the pressures of war.

Members will have seen the advance briefing notes provided by my Department on the two Votes, which summarise the main activities and priorities under each expenditure programme. For 2022, the overall gross Estimate for the foreign affairs group of Votes, Votes 27 and 28, is €921 million. This represents a €69 million increase on its 2021 allocation, which is a significant increase given the pressures we were under.

For 2022, the gross expenditure allocation for Vote 28, including a capital allocation of €22.5 million, is €316 million. This is an overall increase of just over €35 million or 12%. This increase has been allocated to programmes to assist the Department in meeting the many challenges and opportunities we face in the coming year.

Over the past two weeks, we have seen the scale and horror of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has shocked us all. As we have just discussed, my Department is at the centre of this country’s response and will remain so. The scale of events means that our existing priorities, at home and abroad, will need to change. This will bring its own budgetary challenges and require reprioritisation and reallocation of resources. Our work will form part of a wider Government-led response across all Departments.

As has been proposed, I will now proceed to make some short introductory comments on each of the programmes in sequence. Programme A, our people, which is an allocation of €98 million, covers many key policy areas for my Department, including consular services and assistance; the passport service, which is a significant increase in spend this year; our emigrant support programme; and Northern Ireland. Under this programme, the Department has been provided with an allocation of €10 million from the Covid contingency fund for extra spend on passport services. Demand for passports continues to be very strong. In February 2022, the passport service received a record 156,000 new passport applications. To put that into context, January set the previous all-time record of 137,000. We are in completely new passport territory this year. This is the highest volume of monthly applications ever received and is a result of the pent-up demand for passports following the relaxation of necessary travel restrictions due to the Covid pandemic. We anticipate 1.4 million applications this year compared with 900,000, the previous highest figure, in 2019. One month ago, we thought the figure might reach 1.7 million this year. The estimate is now 1.4 million, which is still 500,000 more than ever before.

Since June 2021, more than 300 members of staff at all grades have been assigned to the passport service. My Department has worked closely with the Public Appointments Service to recruit additional staff over the past several months. In addition, the passport service is running its own recruitment competition for temporary clerical officers with a view to assigning additional staff and maintaining staffing levels throughout the year to meet the demand expected in the coming months.

Furthermore, in the context of the national development plan, the Department is making a major investment in the future of the passport service.

Over the next couple of years, we will replace the core technology underpinning the service, which will deliver efficiencies and a more resilient passport system. It will also give us more options for managing the security arrangements in respect of how we accept passport applications.

The processing of foreign birth registration resumed in November 2021. Due to the complex nature of the foreign birth registration process, applicants should allow approximately two years from the receipt of supporting documentation for processing of applications at this time. Increased resources are being allocated to work on foreign birth registration applications as additional staff are assigned to the passport service.

The 2022 allocation for the emigrant support programme remains at €12.6 million, the same level as it was in 2021. The past two years have demonstrated more than ever the need to continue to support and deepen our bonds with our vibrant and diverse global Irish community, in particular, the need to innovate and diversify the ways in which we connect with it. I am meeting some of those diverse communities in New York this week. That is very much a partnership for how we will listen to the Irish abroad and what they need and want. I commend the work of my colleague, the Minister of State with responsibility for the diaspora, Deputy Brophy, who will take any questions members may have on these issues later.

This programme also deals with matters relating to Northern Ireland, North-South co-operation and British-Irish relations, which are a particular emphasis of my Department. We remain focused on strengthening our relationship with the UK in the post-Brexit context, which has not been straightforward, as members will be aware.

The focus of work under programme B, our place in Europe, which is allocated €39 million, will be to safeguard Ireland’s interests in the broader context of Brexit and the future direction and policies of the Union. It will also support Ireland's contribution to the EU's global engagement on peace, security, trade and development, as well as security in the wider European region.

Programme B is also used to fund projects and proposals that further Ireland's Common Foreign and Security Policy, CFSP, priorities, support EU engagement and support the placing of Irish personnel in EU and international institutions. In case anybody does not know, we will assume the Presidency of the Council of Europe from May to November of this year. It is an interesting time to take that presidency, particularly since Russia has just pulled out of the Council of Europe. The Department's costs associated with Ireland's upcoming Presidency of the Council of Europe and the EU50 programme, marking the 50th anniversary of Ireland’s accession to the European Union, will also be met from this programme.

Programme C is entitled Our Values. The majority of current expenditure under programme C, which has an allocation of €62 million, consists of Ireland's contributions to international organisations. The allocation set aside for these contributions, at €40 million, is a €6 million increase on last year reflecting the first year of contributions to the European Peace Facility, EPF, which is a facility that many people know much more about now than they did two weeks ago. Our estimate for allocation to the European Peace Facility for this year was €5.4 million. Clearly, we will be going well beyond that.

The EPF, established this year, funds EU Common Security and Defence Policy, CSDP, with a financial ceiling of €5.7 billion for the period 2021 to 2027. We are already seeing significant pressure on this fund arising from the Ukrainian crisis and Ireland will have to make additional contributions this year. On 27 February, EU foreign ministers agreed an EPF package of €500 million in assistance for Ukraine. Ireland will contribute to the funding for non-lethal equipment only. Ireland's contribution to this measure will amount to approximately €10.5 million, or perhaps closer to €11 million, this year. It is clear that this assistance to Ukraine absorbs the bulk of the EPF ceiling for commitments for 2022, which is €540 million in total spend for the EU.

This means it is likely that the overall budgetary implications of the EPF for member states in 2022 will be significantly higher than anticipated. It is not possible to provide a definitive estimate of the increase this year at this stage as the European External Action Service, EEAS, is still working on detailed proposals in this regard. I hope members will work with me on that. We may have to come back to it later in the year to provide clarity.

Under programme D, Our Prosperity, which has an allocation of €44 million, there will be particular focus in 2022 on assisting Irish business to identify new opportunities as we emerge from the global pandemic. To this end, we will continue our highly successful collaborations with other Departments and State agencies, which deliver effective results for our citizens and business sector.

Our annual St. Patrick’s Day programme also comes under this programme. This year, in the wake of the pandemic, we will connect with our communities at home and overseas, and especially the people of Ukraine. We will mark this St. Patrick's Day with solidarity rather than celebration and express our Irish identity by rededicating ourselves to democratic and humanitarian values. One of the tangible things we will do this year is to look at using our greening programme to project Ukrainian colours in parts of the world where we think solidarity would be respected and appreciated instead of projecting green onto major symbols, buildings, etc., around the world.

Programme E, entitled Our Effectiveness, involves an allocation of €50 million. It covers the management and development of staff, the management and mitigation of risk, ICT, property management and compliance with statutory and legal obligations. The programme also covers communication by the Department of its policies, objectives and activities to citizens at home and abroad.

The resources for the Global Ireland 2025 strategy are managed under this programme. This year, consulates will open in Miami, Toronto and Lyon and an embassy will open in Dakar, Senegal. It cannot be underestimated how important this programme is. Having infrastructure on the ground in Rabat and Kyiv, for instance, allowed us to provide direct assistance and support to hundreds of Irish citizens and their families to get safely home. Can members imagine if we had been one of the only countries in Europe not to have an embassy in Kyiv in the build-up to this conflict? It is a reminder of the importance of expanding our global footprint to parts and regions of the world where Ireland needs to have an influence and a say, and to be reporting back from the ground.

That is a brief overview of the main activities and priorities of the Department of Foreign Affairs for the year. I welcome any comments and questions members may have. In truth, unlike in many other Departments, there is generally not much controversy in the Department of Foreign Affairs when it comes to the budget, particularly outside the development aid side, which is where most of the money is spent. My Department's challenges normally involve policy development and diplomacy, the right interventions at the right time, etc., but the budget is not insignificant either. I look forward to members' questions and comments and I will try to provide as much information as I can.

I thank the Minister. I ask members to put their questions on Vote 28 by programme, commencing with programme A.

I thank the Minister for his opening statement and the helpful comprehensive report attached to it.

I will start with the issue of passports, which is a challenging area, particularly coming out of Covid. I commend all the staff in the Passport Office who have done exceptional and brilliant work over what were challenging times in difficult circumstances and who are probably facing into a tsunami of applications similar to what we have seen in January and February. New records for passport applications and passports being issued were set in both months. There were 156,000 passports issued in February alone and 1.4 million applications are anticipated this year.

I welcome that there are 300 additional staff in the passport service. Have they been added since June last year? What plans are in place to further expand staff numbers to cater for the growing need?

It is understandable that there is such a need. People have not been able to go on holidays in recent years and then there is the challenge of Brexit as well. I would like to get a breakdown of applications coming in from Irish citizens in the North and across the water in the UK as well, if the Minister has those figures.

My colleague, Senator Ó Donnghaile, has consistently raised the need for the establishment of a passport office in Belfast. I would like to get the Minister's views on that. I know it is something he said he has looked at previously, but he wanted to try to promote online applications in the first instance. Could I get a view on the matter given the growing number of applications? Could I also get a timeline on new recruits coming into the Department?

Foreign birth registrations have been a source of frustration. I have asked the Minister about the issue a number of times in the past year. I know staff had to be redeployed during Covid and foreign birth registrations were halted other than for emergencies or in cases that were deemed to be a priority. There is a considerable backlog. Can the Minister provide the current number waiting at this point? I know he said he would deploy more human resources to deal with the backlog. Could we get a timeframe for that? It was stated that the expected processing time is approximately two years. However, if the Minister looks at his high-level metrics, it is stated that it is hoped to achieve 50% within the two-year period. Am I correct in that analysis?

To what does the 50% figure refer?

The statement refers to a 2022 output target of 50%. I saw it a little while ago but I cannot see it now. The low output target is a concern. Perhaps the Minister could give the metrics for the output target anticipated for 2022.

An issue that carries through across the various headings is cybersecurity. I have a general question on that, especially as it relates to passports but also as it relates to everything in foreign affairs. What analysis has been carried out on our systems? Are we assured that the proper protections are in place, in particular in consular services and diplomatic missions across the world? That is a general question that applies across all the different headings.

I welcome the Minister and his officials. I recognise and appreciate the significant work the diplomats and officials are doing here and across the world. I commend them on that. Any time I have had reason to contact an embassy or anyone in the Department I have received fantastic co-operation and professional assistance. I want to feed that back.

I have three brief questions, the first of which is on the International Fund for Ireland. I note funding for the IFI has increased substantially. Will the Minister comment on what his plans are in respect of that?

Are there extra costs involved in the budget, given the two roles we have as a member of the Security Council and holding the Presidency of the Council of Europe?

I am interested in equality budgeting and equality issues. Will the Minister comment on women in senior roles and advances in gender equality?

I welcome the Minister and his team. I have some brief questions. I am not sure what programme they come under so I will fire them out if that is okay. Do we have plans to open any new embassies this year or next year? Did Ireland purchase the building that houses our embassy in Kyiv or do we lease it? If the latter is the case, how much did the lease cost? Has the embassy sustained any damage?

Before the Minister responds, I will ask a question under subhead A6. I declare an interest insofar as I am a director of Co-operation Ireland, which is a body known to the Department. In the course of the year, we had an opportunity to raise with the Minister an important issue that was raised in the first instance by my colleague, Deputy Stanton. It relates to the future of the American Irish Historical Society in New York. The Department granted a significant amount of funding to the society in the past. I acknowledge that the Government has no proprietary interest in the premises, but we are concerned at reports of its proposed sale. We are also mindful that there are significant issues in relation to the society's governance arrangements and internal controls. We know there have been changes. If it is not a matter the Minister can discuss with us now, he might advise as to whether the Department still has concerns in respect of governance. Given the strong feeling of concern, not only in America among the Irish diaspora but also here in Ireland, the Minister may be willing to engage, assuming the governance structures are to his satisfaction and having regard to the role of the US Attorney General, Letitia James, whose consent to the sale of the property is required. As a non-profit organisation, any sale of the premises is contingent upon the approval of the US Office of the Attorney General or the New York Supreme Court. While the Government does not have a proprietary interest, has it indicated an interest otherwise, having regard to the importance of the building to Ireland and its iconic status on Fifth Avenue?

Regarding North-South and Anglo-Irish co-operation and the importance of all the funding under the subhead, it is stated that funding in 2022 has been maintained at 2021 levels. Did Covid have any consequences for 2021 levels? What has happened to funding that may not have been expended along what might be described as normal lines due to the absence of person-to-person engagements? Has that funding been taken into consideration this year?

I got the figure of 50% for foreign birth registrations on page 118 under key outputs and public service activities. It states the percentage of foreign birth registrations processed within the published processing time is 50% for the 2022 output target.

Before I call the Minister to respond, I will ask a question on a matter that does not fall under programme A but is part of our responsibilities. Deputy Berry correctly mentioned new embassies. When we discussed Estimates last year, we mentioned the likelihood or need for a consular office in Perth, Western Australia. I do not see that on the list.

Is there any means by which a feasibility study might be undertaken, having regard to anecdotal evidence and indeed statistics that would show a very large diaspora community in Western Australia? Why does an office in Perth not appear to have gained the support of the Department at this stage?

I do not want to be a pain, but I was going to come in on the embassies.

It was under programme A but-----

We will take the matter now if the Minister does not mind.

I refer to the prospect of reopening the embassy in Tehran, which has been considered. What is the progress on that? It is not down for mention at all. It needs to progress, particularly as the Iran nuclear deal talks are, it is to be hoped, moving in the right direction. There is an opportunity. I would like an update on that.

Sorry for stressing those areas, Minister, but-----

I will happily try to jump around those questions and answer them all.

I will deal with the embassies first. I think I am right in saying that since the Global Ireland strategy began a few years ago, we have opened about 15 new embassies and consulates. That is quite significant. I refer to places such as Santiago in Chile, Bogotá in Colombia and Vancouver. We have opened an embassy for the first time in New Zealand, in Wellington, and we have opened multiple new consulates across the US and one in Vancouver, western Canada. We have opened new consulates across the EU as well. We will open in Lyon this year. Last year, we opened in Frankfurt as well as in north Africa, in Morocco, and east of the European Union, in Kyiv. The way this works is that we make decisions 12 months before we are likely to action them. Therefore, when the Chairman says he does not see Perth on the list, that is because it is being considered as part of a package which is not yet signed off on but which I will bring to the Government in the coming weeks as suggestions we are making for new representations that should progress next year. This year we are progressing Dakar, Toronto, Miami and Lyon for sure. One or two may be added to that list if we can move quickly on them. I am anxious to do something in the western Balkans. We have no diplomatic footprint there at all. There are other countries that have large populations and are quite influential in their regions where we need a presence. Obviously, I do not want to start announcing names now without bringing them to the Government first, but that is how this works. We have made a decision on Tehran. We have, effectively, the equivalent of an ambassador in Iran at the moment. We have a partnership with Germany. Basically, we asked Germany if it would partner with us before we came onto the Security Council because we knew we would be taking on the important brief of the facilitator for the joint comprehensive plan of action, JCPOA, or the Iranian nuclear dear. UN Resolution 2231 is the basis for that deal. We needed a presence on the ground there, so I approached the German foreign minister, with whom I had a very good relationship. Germany has facilitated us to have a team in its quite large embassy in Tehran, so we already have a presence there and it is proving very useful, but we are committed to opening a full embassy. What I said when I was last in Tehran is that we would try to do that in the first quarter of next year. I hope we will be able to deliver on that timeline. Obviously, it is not straightforward getting a building in somewhere such as Tehran, but that is what we plan to do. It is another example of the need to have a diplomatic footprint in a country in respect of which, from a policy perspective, we probably have differences of opinion and perspective on many things. It is important that, as an international partner, we can speak to people, understand different perspectives and try to make useful interventions. There is a specific role on the Security Council, which we are focused on now. The JCPOA should have been concluded by now along with the negotiations in Vienna. We continue to work as best we can to try to encourage a conclusion. The world could do with a good news story now. Getting the JCPOA, or Iranian nuclear deal, back in place to provide guarantees for the world that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon and removing the sanctions, which could allow the Iranian economy to grow on the back of that commitment, would be a good news story for the region and for the world more generally. As I said, given what is happening in Ukraine, Yemen and other such places, we could do with a positive headline.

If it is okay, I will ask my colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, to deal with the American Irish Historical Society. I know a bit about it but am told he knows more, so I will let him deal with that. It is a diaspora issue. It is a complex enough issue for us to deal with, but I got a reasonable brief on it in New York this week. I understand that the Minister of State is very much on top of that issue so I will leave that question to him.

As for North-South co-operation and so on, last year we increased the reconciliation fund by €1 million and this year we are maintaining it. Given the tension and polarisation of politics around some of the Brexit issues, the Northern Ireland protocol issues and so on, we really must invest in cross-Border relationships. The Department of the Taoiseach is doing that through the shared island fund; we do it through the reconciliation fund and through supporting organisations such as Co-operation Ireland, which is a great organisation, and the International Fund for Ireland. One of the reasons we are increasing our contribution to the IFI is to encourage others to do the same. Multiple governments, in particular our Government, the UK Government and that in Washington, commit to the IFI. It is important we lead by example in that regard. It is a hugely valuable fund in how it is spent. The IFI can do things that the Governments and Government agencies sometimes cannot do. It can take more risk. It can reach out to communities that state agencies and governments may find hard to reach. That is very important in reaching out to some of the more marginalised communities that are impacted by tension, violence and paramilitary activity in Northern Ireland. I was exposed to a fantastic IFI-funded project two weeks ago, when I was in Belfast. It was a reminder of why we are spending money there.

As for the Security Council, yes, there is an increased spend because we have a team in New York. I better get this right because I am relying on memory, but it comprises about 50 people, or perhaps just under 50. The number 47 springs to mind, but it comprises between 45 and 50 people, local staff as well as a really experienced people. It is a mixed team of different levels of experience. May I say for the record something I do not get a chance to say often? Our team on the Security Council is doing a phenomenal job for Ireland in respect of our reputation, our standing and the integration and partnerships we create and build on the files the team is working on. We have taken on a huge amount of work for a small country on the Security Council, and the team is flat out the whole time. It is led by Geraldine Byrne Nason, who does an incredible job there, but there are many other people on that team who do not often get recognition here at home. They are setting a benchmark for how small countries should contribute to global debates on the Security Council in a way that is very impressive. That is money well spent. The budget for that was put in place last year and is now just being sustained. That is why Members do not see an increase in salaries on last year. They would have seen that increase when we got onto the Security Council at the start.

I had hoped someone would give me a note on women in roles of responsibility because I know we are doing well on our targets but I just was not sure what the figures were. As a percentage of heads of mission, the number of women will rise to 46% from 36%, so we are close to half our heads of mission now being women. Some people in this room might remember the Department of Foreign Affairs back in the 1970s, when that number would have been unheard of.

In fact, there was a time when there were no women heads of mission at all, and now almost half of them are women. Furthermore, a total of 50% of the ambassadors appointed this year as heads of mission were women. That is a significant step in the right direction, and not before time. We talk all the time on the Security Council and elsewhere about women's peace and security, the need for female participation and empowerment and so on, and we would not have much credibility if we did not try to apply that to our decision-making. In 2022, the target for women in senior roles, that is, principal officer and above, is 41%. We are again trying to move towards the 50% figure, which is important. The former Secretary General, who has received some criticism from this committee in respect of one incident, personally drove this issue. Niall Burgess's contribution to trying to move more women into senior positions of responsibility within the Department was significant, as was his contribution to appointing heads of mission and making recommendations to me. It is important to say that because it is true. That work continues under the current leadership.

On passports, I might outline some statistics. There are currently 770 staff in the Passport Office, including 130 new staff who joined during January and February. More than 300 staff have, therefore, been added to the passport service since last summer. A further 21 staff are due to start in the coming days. Turnaround times are important in light of the volume of applications being dealt with at the moment. For simple adult renewals, the target turnaround time is ten working days, but 45% of those renewals are processed within 48 hours. I get many questions about passports and many requests. Siobhán, who is sitting next to me during this meeting, is a living saint in terms of dealing with the volume of requests she deals with daily. The vast majority of passports in the system come through in a pretty smooth and efficient way. Of the close to 160,000 passports issued in February, almost half of the adult renewals were processed in less than two days. Those numbers speak loudly for the efforts that are being put in place.

For complex or child online renewals, it can take up to 15 working days but is often done more quickly than that, while it can take up to 35 working days for first-time applicants on Passport Online, an issue many of my colleagues have raised with me. First-time applications have been taking a long time. They require additional paperwork, which often delays the process. About half of the first-time applications that are stuck in the system or go beyond the 35 days – the target was up to 40 days until a week ago - relate to the fact we are awaiting documentation. There is a challenge for us to improve our communications in respect of the initial application process in order that there will be far fewer problem applications because the applicant has not provided the full suite of information, documentation or whatever. We are working on the target of 35 days and I understand that the intention is to reduce it further. We have knocked five days off it in the past two weeks, so that is a start.

There is also An Post's so-called Passport Express service. I am really looking forward to the day when, in a committee such as this, I can say it is no longer called that name but rather something else, given it is an eight-week process. It is not an express process; it is a much slower process than that of online applications. I recall having this conversation when I was in the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. People told me there was no way farmers would be able to apply entirely online for their payments, given there were people who did not know how to use to a computer or who would not have access to broadband and so on. The Department just switched, insisting that everybody had to apply online and, if they could not do it at home, they had to get someone, whether a farm adviser or whoever, to do it for them. We have to move into that space with passports. We have to get this system online, and for people who cannot do it at home, or who do not have the broadband or computer skills to do it, we have to have agents throughout the country who can help them do it. That will make the system more secure and more efficient in terms of corrections, dealing with emergency cases and so on.

I acknowledge there is concern over the issue of foreign birth registration. Where a child is born abroad to Irish parents and is entitled to an Irish passport, it is taking time to turn that around. That does not mean that if there is an urgent case that needs to be deal with, we are not dealing with it expeditiously. There are thousands of cases that have been processed quickly through the system because a child needs to travel or needs a passport for whatever reason. That facility is still there, but we had to prioritise during Covid. In the case of many people who were living abroad, while getting an Irish passport for their child was important, it was not necessarily time sensitive. As a result, we had to prioritise other areas in regard to delivery and now we have to catch up on that. The reason for the 50% target figure for this year probably relates to the timeline estimate of approximately two years, and one year for 50%. I assume that is the case but I stand open to correction.

There are currently 33,000 applications for which documentation has been received and which are awaiting processing. Nevertheless, given we are processing about 160,000 passports a month, the high figure is something we can get on top of when we get greater and faster throughput in regard to foreign birth registration. Foreign birth registration requires much more paperwork and verification to ensure we do not contribute to child abduction, fraud and so on. I have spent a bit of time in the Passport Office and talked to the fraud squad there. We have very good systems that are used to detect fraud through facial recognition and a range of other technologies. It is a pretty regular occurrence that someone tries to get an Irish passport inappropriately. Deputy Brady asked about how we are dealing with cybersecurity and fraud issues. Whether it is a first-time passport for a child in Ireland, which has a 35-day turnaround time and requires additional forms to be filled in and so on, or whether it is a foreign birth registration, there is a reason the Irish passport is the fifth most trusted passport on the planet. It is why we can get into 190-something countries without a visa. Countries trust our verification systems and I am not going to allow that to change. We cannot simply just shovel out passports without the proper checks and verifications.

I am not saying anyone is suggesting we should do that, but we are putting in place, and spending a lot of money on, a new IT system as the foundation for our passport system in the context of security, efficiency, delivery and so on. That will be in place for next year and it will allow us to make decisions such as those relating to, potentially, using other State-owned offices throughout the country to allow people to come in and apply for passports and so on, which will be very helpful. For now, the IT system does not allow us to do that. Earlier in the Covid pandemic, our passport staff were not able work from home securely because we had to have a closed system in the passport offices where the systems were working. I ask Deputies to take that on board in the context of the challenges we have had through Covid and some of the hangover problems, particularly relating to foreign birth registration, that come from that.

As a benchmark in regard to turnaround times for passports, Ireland’s system fares very well. I often compare us with the UK, our closest neighbour, which also has a very globalised view of the world and has many people it needs to facilitate in travelling and so on. We benchmark very well against the UK. In terms of adult renewals, we are quicker than it; while in regard to complex and child online renewals, we are very similar. The UK is a bit quicker than us on first-time applications but we are reducing the turnaround times all the time.

That is just to give some reassurance on some of those things. Deputy Stanton might be interested to know that we are looking to move to a new office in Cork, although we have to find one first. While the offices in Cork work well, there are space issues and constraints and we are actively looking at options for moving to a more modern facility. However, that is not going to happen quickly and we have to manage leases and so on. I think that answers all the questions.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy. We are still on programme A so he may have to wait a few more minutes before we complete our deliberations on Vote 28. I am anxious to move on but I think Deputy Brady has a supplementary question.

I have a couple of points about passports. Have changes been made to the system? We have spoken about the target moving from 40 days to 35. That is a welcome move in the right direction but it is very frustrating for people when they send all the information they think is required and after 30 days it is flagged that some information is missing.

Is the Deputy asking if we have changed that?

Yes. I just wanted to confirm that because it is deeply frustrating for people. Instead of the clock stopping, it goes right back to the start.

My second point relates to the prospect of opening an office in Belfast. I get a lot of representations from Irish citizens in the North through MLA or MP offices. It is frustrating that there is not a mechanism for elected public representatives in the North to make direct contact with the Passport Office, unlike Members of this House, to represent the constituents up there. It would be beneficial if some sort of facility or mechanism could be put in place for elected members in the North, like the one for Deputies and their staff, to make those representations.

The first issue has been raised with me by many colleagues, including Deputy Stanton. Particularly for first-time applications, when an applicant was told a mistake had been made and they sent in corrected forms or new photographs or whatever, the clock started again and the application took another eight weeks. That is no longer the case. Now, when a correction is made or extra documentation is submitted, there is a commitment to try to turn around that application within three weeks. That has not been a straightforward process but, as with many things, the Passport Office has responded to the concerns coming from public representatives and the applicants themselves. It is not a case of realising after a number of weeks that there is a mistake and then starting all over again. In fact, it is quite the opposite now. The turnaround time is often less than three weeks after the corrections are made but that is the target we are setting for ourselves.

I have been asked about opening an office in Northern Ireland. I have also been asked about opening an office in the west of Ireland. We are trying to get people to apply online in big numbers and that is working. If people apply online and fill out the correct forms, it should not matter where on the island they are applying from. Of the 140,000 applications made in February, 106,557 were domestic, which essentially means they were from the Republic of Ireland. There were 7,339 international applications, which is outside the UK and Ireland, 757 from our missions, 11,983 from Northern Ireland and 13,487 from the UK. There are a lot of people applying from Great Britain and quite a number applying from Northern Ireland but the main bulk is still domestic applications from the Republic of Ireland. I said when asked about this in the Seanad that we would look at whether we could put some sort of information portal in place for public representatives in Northern Ireland. I can understand that that is a pressure and we will see what we can do there. However, I do not want to commit on the hoof because there are resource implications there. We are not opening an office but when we have a new IT system we might have options to look at our office structure. For now, we are trying to get the system as efficient as possible and get more staff in place. That is where the focus needs to be in the short term.

That completes deliberations and questions on programme A so we will move on. I suggest that we take programmes B, C and D together. Is that agreed? Agreed. I will take questions, starting with Deputy Brady, if there are any. The Minister extended beyond the bounds of programme A in his replies so it may well be that we have already dealt with many issues about which members had questions. I will open the floor to discussions on the remainder of Vote 28 at this stage.

Programme E has been dealt with anyway. With regard to programme B and Brexit, it is interesting to analyse the response from Britain to the attack on Ukraine by Russia. Does the Minister believe Britain might now be more inclined to reconsider its refusal to establish a common security approach with the EU? Have there been any discussions around that so far? What potential repercussions might there be for the protocol? We discussed earlier the pressures and the report about Ukraine. My colleague Senator Ó Donnghaile asked about an all-Ireland approach, given what can only be described as the appalling approach of the British Government to its responsibilities for Ukrainian refugees. What communication has taken place with Ministers in the North on that, if any? Is there a prospect of initiating a conversation about an all-Ireland or co-ordinated approach?

Programme C refers to international organisations. The €62 million is critical money and goes to some brilliant organisations, including a couple we have dealt with extensively here and human rights organisations in Palestine. The Minister has stated previously that there is no prospect of funding being pulled from the organisations we fund, that is, the two of the six organisations that have been labelled as terror entities by Israel. I would like some reassurance from the Minister that funding for those organisations is not under any threat. The Minister has asked the Israeli authorities for any evidence they may have to back up their unwarranted labelling of these organisations as terrorist entities. Has the Minister received any information on that? What conversations have taken place at EU level?

The EU has suspended funding for these organisations. I ask the Minister for an update and reassurance about that.

I welcome the approach and programme for St. Patrick's Day. It will be utilised to stand up for human rights, diplomacy and sovereignty. We will potentially shine the Ukrainian colours on landmarks throughout the world. That is the right and appropriate thing to do.

I have a question about the business and human rights approach by the Department. I know the EU is looking at this. We need to have stringent legislation in place for it. We need to look at having our own legislation, rather than just waiting for the EU to bring it forward. One area that this committee has looked at is the Cerrejón mine in Colombia and the importation of coal from that mine. Due to the situation in Ukraine and Russia, the coal that was being imported from Russia has now been halted, and rightly so. It has been suggested that we will go back to Colombia to get coal to supply our stations. Where in Colombia is that coal coming from? Is it from the Cerrejón mine, about which there are significant human rights concerns?

The expo in Dubai is taking place. There has been some focus on the expenditure and developing our stall in the expo. It costs about €9 million, in conjunction with the OPW. What kind of analysis has been done on the money being provided for an exhibition that only takes place for a number of months? Does the Minister believe that is money well spent?

I join Deputy Brady in wishing our Ministers and the diplomatic staff abroad all the best for the St. Patrick's Day events. I have been there, as I am sure many others have. We have significant programmes of engagement at those events. They are important and open doors. I have a question about Global Ireland 2025. I know culture officers were supplied for New York and London recently. In the last year or two, they were not able to work to the highest potential because of Covid. Will the Minister comment on plans to expand that initiative?

I note the impact of social media used by the Department. The audience numbers are high. Will the Minister comment further on that?

I refer to head D, to advance Ireland's prosperity, extend its influence and promote our interests and prosperity internationally. We need to focus on that much more and encourage it, because the return from it is enormous, especially nowadays.

The Minister may not be aware of this. Has our embassy building in Kyiv sustained any damage at all? If it is affected over the next few weeks, do we have a system in place to know whether it has been damaged?

I ask the Minister to speak on Vote 28.

Deputy Berry asked the last question previously and I did not answer it. We are co-locating with the EU delegation. The EU delegation is responsible for the building and we sub-lease from it. I am not aware of it having been damaged, but I do not know for sure. We had some local staff there. That facility is not operating. Our team left some time ago, along with members of the EU delegation. The co-ordination across EU countries was quite successful. We were determined to stay for as long as we could, to give a clear signal to Ukraine that we wanted to stay with it, but I had to make decisions about the safety of our staff. We did that in consultation with other EU countries.

In response to Deputy Stanton, Global Ireland 2025 is not just about opening embassies and consulates, although that is what the focus seems to be. It is also about trade missions, culture, music and sport. It is basically about Ireland's capacity to imprint our influence in different parts of the world through all the different mechanisms and tools that we have, both online and in person, through multiple different strategies. In that regard, culture is a big sales point for Ireland. Anybody who knows the impact of Riverdance in China or U2 across South America will realise the incredible power of music, literature, dance and culture. We appointed new cultural officers in a number of locations, including London and New York. I think we appointed officers in Berlin and probably in Paris. We may not have done so yet but are in the process. We want to do more of that. A new Irish arts centre has opened in New York. It is a phenomenal success. It is one of the most visited cultural venues in New York. We invested much public money in that, along with the local authority there and other contributors. It is a way to guarantee an Irish presence in performance arts and the cultural elements of New York city, which is important.

Deputy Stanton mentioned online activity and branding. We have done a lot of work on it. When Deputy Cannon was Minister of State, a role which has been taken over by Deputy Colm Brophy, we did a lot to connect the diaspora with each other and us through online platforms. There has been much new thinking and investment in that in recent years, which has been successful. In the last two years, when we were not able to travel for St. Patrick's Day, we focused on a massive online campaign, which had an extraordinary reach. It reached tens of millions of people. This year, I am glad to say that we will do both, both online and in person. Ironically, I will be one of the few people staying home on St. Patrick's Day this year. I will probably be the only Minister who will not travel, but I am not short of travel opportunities in my job, so I am happy to do that.

Deputy Brady asked a series of questions. I do not want to bring the Brexit debate into Ukraine. The UK has made its decision about Brexit. We respect that. We need to work through some of these issues with it with regard to the implementation of the protocol in Northern Ireland and how we do that in a way that tries to respond to the genuine concerns that have been raised. The UK's approach to Ukrainian refugees is different from the rest of the Continent of Europe. Last time I checked, although it may have changed, it still requires some form of visa. It is trying to facilitate family reunification for people from Ukraine.

That is quite a different approach from what we have, which is effectively an open-door policy. It will put our systems under a lot of pressure but it is the right thing to do. There is a complication arising from that because we share a common travel area with the UK. As it is outside the Schengen area, there have been some discussions on the matter between the Department of Justice and the UK Home Secretary. From our perspective, the humanitarian response is the priority and everything else must come second to that. It is also worth pointing out that under common travel area rules, a non-Irish person in Ireland does not have the same facilitation as Irish people have. That applies to Ukrainians who come to Ireland in the same way that it apples to many other non-Irish citizens. It is important to say that.

Regarding Northern Ireland, I understand there have been some conversations between the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth and its counterpart in Northern Ireland. Ultimately, however, I suspect visa policy for the UK will be determined in London and not Belfast. We will just have to live with and manage two different approaches to the humanitarian response for Ukrainian refugees.

On Palestine, let me be clear that we support and fund both Al-Haq and Addameer. They are two NGOs that have been listed by the Israeli Government as being active terrorist groups or as supporting terrorism. We think that is both inaccurate and a mistake. That is our position. I am certainly open to persuasion if there is evidence to suggest otherwise but I have not seen any, and I have asked for it. As far as I am concerned, we have good checks and balances for who we spend money with and what they do with it. I have no reason to believe either Al-Haq or Addameer are spending Irish money inappropriately and certainly none to believe either is promoting violence or terrorism. If I see such evidence, I will act on it without delay, but I have not seen it. We owe it to these organisations to maintain our relationship in the absence of such evidence, which I am told exists but which I have not seen. We also continue to talk to the European Commission about those issues. Ireland is not the only country in Europe that holds the position of being very concerned at what is effectively a shutting down by the Israeli Government of civil society organisations and NGOs linked to advocacy for Palestinians.

On programme D, I agree with the Deputy on the opportunities for St. Patrick's Day. I am sure there will be plenty of members of his party in Washington and elsewhere next week.

On coal for Moneypoint, the ESB has moved away from sourcing it from Russia. I understand it is again sourcing coal from Columbia. I will give the Deputy the note I have on the matter. I apologise for having so many pieces of paper. As it happens, the coal is not from the mine to which the Deputy referred. It is a good note so I will put it on the record. We are aware of reports around alleged abuses committed at the Cerrejón mine in northern Columbia. I understand the ESB has not imported coal from the mine since 2018. In any case, policy responsibility with regard to the importation of coal is obviously the remit of another Department, namely, the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications, but that does not mean we do not take note of it. Officials from the Irish embassy in Bogotá travelled to the mine region in 2019 and met all stakeholders involved. A report was issued and delivered to the mine management, civil society and the Columbian Government. Ireland remains actively cited on issues relating to the mine. As I said, my understanding is the ESB is forced to change its supply lines and the volumes of coal it uses are not easily found. My understanding is the ESB is now sourcing coal from Columbia again, though not from the Cerrejón mine. The Deputy will probably have to put a question to the responsible Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan.

If there were coal coming from any source, it would not be paid for out of the Minister's budget in any event.

That is a fair point.

I take the point Deputy Brady has made and we will have a further opportunity to deal with that.

There was one other question on Expo 2020. There will be an evaluation process of the value for money and so on of expenditure on expo. I think some people in this room have been to expo and will have seen what a shop window to the world it has been for us. I believe it represents value for money but we are going through a formal process and cannot complete that until expo activities conclude at the end of this month. My understanding is that process has already commenced.

The Minister might give us a report when that process is complete.

That completes our discussion on Vote 28. I thank the Minister and his officials for attending and, as always, dealing in a comprehensive way with members' questions.

I thank the Chairman.

The Minister is leaving us. I ask the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, to address Vote 27 in his own time. He will make an opening statement, after which I will ask members to put their questions on the Vote.

I thank the Chairman. I welcome this opportunity to present the 2022 Estimate for Vote 27 - international co-operation. Through Vote 27, the Department of Foreign Affairs manages just under 60% of Ireland’s official development assistance, ODA, programme, which is known to the public as Irish Aid. The Vote provides the funding necessary to deliver on the Department’s high-level goal of working for a more just, secure and sustainable world.

This is the first year in which total ODA will exceed €1 billion, with the budget day allocation of €1.045 billion representing an increase of €176 million, or approximately 20%, on the allocation for 2021. This is the eighth consecutive year in which the overall allocation to the development co-operation programme has increased. Just under 60% of this total, a figure of €605 million, is allocated to the Department of Foreign Affairs and is managed through Vote 26. The allocation to Vote 27 for 2022 is €35 million greater than in 2021. The remaining 40% of Ireland’s overall ODA allocation for this year, a forecasted €440.5 million, is managed by other Departments, notably the Departments of Finance and Health, as well as the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine.

A key element is Ireland’s contribution to the EU development co-operation budget, as well as assessed and voluntary contributions to international organisations managed through other Government Departments. This year, the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth, which leads on national refugee response, will also account for a portion of Ireland’s ODA. This increased allocation for ODA for 2022 is a demonstration of the Government’s commitment to international development. International development is not simply the right thing to do but, as we have been reminded by the pandemic and, in recent weeks, by the war in Ukraine, our effective aid programme is a clear and practical protection of our interests.

Through the Irish Aid programme, we invest in a better, safer and more sustainable world. Through the quality of our programming, the aid programme helps us expand our influence and strengthen our partnerships, today and for tomorrow.

ODA is an integral component of Ireland’s overall foreign policy and national presence overseas, enabling Ireland to respond to complex human needs and humanitarian crises around the world. As the OECD found in its 2020 peer review of the Irish Aid programme, Ireland is one of the few leading donors delivering principled, high quality, untied and coherent development co-operation and humanitarian responses. A Better World, Ireland’s policy for international development, provides the framework for our whole-of-government development co-operation programme. Rooted in the sustainable development goals, A Better World focuses our efforts on four policy priorities, which together ensure that our programme reaches the furthest behind first. These priorities are gender equality, reducing humanitarian need, climate action and strengthening governance. We deliver on these priorities through working intensely across three clusters of interventions building on areas where Ireland has both proven expertise and which also resonate with our own development trajectory. These clusters are in the areas of protection, food and people.

In recent weeks, since the invasion of Ukraine, Irish Aid has been working with our partners to ensure that Ireland is contributing to the protection of people affected by the conflict, whether in Ukraine or in places where they are taking refuge. More than €10 million in bilateral humanitarian assistance was released immediately, complementing pre-positioned Irish funding which the UN and the International Committee of the Red Cross have released as part of the response to what is happening in Ukraine. The Irish Aid team is working with partners to put additional supports in place.

With regard to the Covid-19 pandemic, it will continue to have a negative impact on the development outcomes of people around the world. That is why this year, through Vote 27, we will continue to invest in global public health and contribute to global efforts to ensure vaccines are available to people, regardless of income or where they are from. In addition, officials in my Department continue to work with HSE experts to deliver improvements in public health in partner countries throughout Africa. Through the bilateral programmes managed by our embassies in Africa and in Vietnam we are working to mitigate the long-term social and developmental impacts of the pandemic in our partner countries.

Our Shared Future, the programme for Government, contains a commitment to making incremental, sustainable progress towards achieving the UN target of spending 0.7% of gross national income, GNI, on ODA by 2030. This year’s allocation is the highest amount allocated by any Government ever to ODA, and a 20% increase on the cash allocation for 2021. I expect that this figure will correspond to 0.32% of GNI for 2022 given our strong economic recovery, as we balance sustained and sizeable increases in Ireland's allocation to ODA in GNI percentage terms against the need to responsibly manage the Irish Aid allocation. My Department is currently reviewing and building systems that will enable our development programme to grow further, including as a proportion of GNI, in a sustainable and responsible way. We continue to plan carefully and consult other Departments and stakeholders to ensure this is done effectively.

Ireland’s international development programme has always been focused on the need to protect the most vulnerable in society. The evolving global context, marked by a global pandemic, conflict, the threat of climate change, extreme violence against women and girls and growing inequality, requires a transformative, integrated approach. We will continue to invest in our strategic, coherent approach across Government to development co-operation and humanitarian action as well as strengthening our representation and engagement at the European Union, United Nations and other multilateral spaces, including during Ireland’s ongoing term as an elected member of the UN Security Council this year.

Our international development programme focuses on helping those most in need. However, as we have learned in recent years, what impacts on people abroad also affects us at home in many different ways. Put simply, to be safe at home we need to invest, through the aid programme and our diplomacy, in ensuring others are safe in the places they call home. I take pride in our reputation as a leader in development co-operation and humanitarian action. Our capacity and effectiveness in responding to complex crises are well regarded, complementing our contributions to the protection of human rights, to peacekeeping and to disarmament. The values that guide our effective and impactful programming in difficult contexts also serve to protect us, while being an expression of our global solidarity.

I welcome comments and questions from members.

I thank the Minister of State for his opening statement. I commend all the work that takes place in the Department on the critical work we undertake across the globe. I have a number of questions. The first relates to Irish Aid. This committee has done extensive work on aid that goes into the occupied Palestinian territories. We held a series of meetings and published a report in respect of the demolition of structures, including Irish-funded structures, within the occupied territories. In the first instance, what is the Minister of State's view on those illegal activities that are being perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the Israeli occupational forces? Second, with regard to a compensation claim that Ireland is a part of and which is being headed by the West Bank Protection Consortium, can the Minister of State give a view or an analysis of the current position of that claim? Has Israel engaged with Ireland or the West Bank Protection Consortium on this claim, which includes the destruction of Irish-funded infrastructure?

Regarding the situation in Ukraine, I note the impact of the conflict there on the civilian population. Given Ireland's commitment to an international rules-based system, what actions can Ireland meaningfully take bilaterally and through multilateral fora to promote and respect accountability for international humanitarian law in Ukraine? We have made a number of commitments, quite correctly, to resettle refugees from places such as Jordan, Lebanon and Eritrea, to name a few. Can the Minister of State confirm that meeting these resettlement pledges will not be negatively impacted by the welcome decision to relocate refugees from EU states bordering Ukraine? Can we get a commitment that those commitments will be honoured?

What measures, including price controls, solidarity actions among exporting nations and trade policy measures, may be used to ensure continuity of supplies to protect the right to food for the most vulnerable throughout the world? What leadership can Ireland provide at UN level on this? Can the Minister of State confirm that Ireland will continue to meet its commitments to ongoing and existing humanitarian and development issues already budgeted for in 2022 and whether additional finances are being sought for the refugee response in Ireland?

To conclude, things are getting a little better with the Covid situation in Ireland. However, internationally and particularly in developing countries, it is still a major challenge given the low levels of vaccine roll-out and accessibility. Regarding my view and the view of many organisations on the inequality in terms of vaccine equity that exists, what is the current position or view of the Government on the Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, TRIPS, Agreement waiver?

What is the current position of Government in regard to the TRIPS waiver? Does the Minister still believe it is not needed at this point and that there is adequate access to vaccines in those developing countries? In my view, and that of many organisations, the longer we drag our heels, the greater prospect of a new variant emerging and undermining everything that has been achieved up to this point.

I welcome the Minister and his officials. Irish Aid is doing amazing work across the world. The Chairman will recall that on 8 February last, the committee heard a briefing from Dóchas, Misean Cara, the Marist Asia Foundation, Plan International Ireland and Concern Worldwide, all of which outlined a bleak picture across the world with respect to education. They were all quite complimentary about what Irish Aid is doing. We should be doing more, however.

Pre-Covid, worldwide there were 125 million girls not in school. The situation has worsened since then, as we were told. Between conflict, Covid, corruption and climate change, many communities and societies are under terrible pressure. The reports I have had from people who have been impacted by Irish Aid have been extraordinarily positive. A small amount of euro can, and is, making a massive difference. Irish people are doing amazing work in those areas under very challenging circumstances. For instance, in Nigeria the cost of security for a girl going to school is a huge challenge and there are issues with climate change and conflict and in regard to Covid where parents have died and older children are charged with looking after their younger siblings and so cannot go to school. I thank the Minister, the teams in the Department and beyond and the NGOs for the working that is being done. I encourage the Government to support the Minister in anything he can do to further develop areas and support people across the world, in particular the children who need education, health supports and accommodation and, at the end of the day, employment. We have seen testimonies of people who have managed to get to school through the support of Irish Aid and reached their fantastic potential. We need to highlight the positive, but to also look for more, if that is possible.

If I may be so bold as to piggyback on what the Chairman said at the previous session in regard to the American Irish Historical Society building in New York, I would also welcome a comment from the Minister of State on that.

I welcome the Minister and I thank him for his opening statement. I also welcome his team. I have two brief questions. I welcome the size of the overseas development assistance budget for this year. Do we have anything in reserve or uncommitted? For instance, if Ireland decides to make a further contribution to the European Peace Facility fund, do we have any spare headroom? We know that, as with every conflict, the war in Ukraine will end and there will be a reconstruction phase. It will be appropriate that Russia pays the lion's share in regard to any reconstruction efforts in Ukraine but if the EU wants to make a contribution and Ireland is required to make a contribution as part of that effort, do we have any spare capacity in this Vote or will we have to look for a Supplementary Estimate?

I invite the Minister to respond to the questions from Deputies Brady, Stanton and Berry and to my question in regard to whether the foreign affairs section of the Department is as engaged with the situation in Ukraine as the defence section. I am sure everyone will agree that we are seeing a devastating humanitarian crisis unfold in Ukraine and surrounding countries. The impact is not only serious, it is widespread. Some of the most vulnerable people in the world appear to be hardest hit. I acknowledge what has been said by the Minister in terms of the pride that he takes in our reputation as a leader in humanitarian action. An important part of the work of this committee is dealing with the various groups engaged on the front line. We meet them regularly and we hear their concerns. We are as proud as the Minister is of the work they do.

On the matter of Ukraine, is the Minister of State in a position to advise us regarding the monitoring of international humanitarian law. In recent days, we have seen the most outrageous unprovoked attacks. We see the work that is being undertaken by humanitarian groups on the ground. We acknowledge the danger faced by humanitarian defenders in Ukraine and the surrounding areas. In the matter of the scale of displacement, it seems this will surpass, or has already surpassed, anything that Europe has seen in decades. In regard to the fundamental principle that all parties to the conflict adhere to their international humanitarian obligations, it seems there have already been a number of breaches. Is the Minister of State in a position to comment on that? I refer in particular to the work the Red Cross is undertaking and attacks that appear to me to be directed towards civilian objects. I would not call them targets because they are not treated as such. In terms of the Minister of State's area of responsibility, does the Department have any evidence of clear breaches of international humanitarian obligations?

To return to the point raised by Deputy Stanton, I am reluctant to raise the issue of the American Irish Historical Society in the context of such a humanitarian disaster as is before us and so I will not repeat anything I said to the Minister, Deputy Coveney. I will, however, make the point that this committee, through Deputy Stanton in particular, is concerned about the building in New York. We have raised some issues by way of correspondence. The Minister has informed us that the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, has been briefed. I will not ask the Minister of State to comment on that now because of the need for the committee to concentrate almost exclusively on the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine and the humanitarian issues raised by Deputy Brady. As far as the building is concerned, the Minister of State might keep us informed of developments. He might acknowledge our concern. It is a matter we will come back to but perhaps not in the current heightened circumstances of humanitarian issues.

My final point is in regard to Ukraine. Earlier, we raised with the Minister the humanitarian issues in adjoining areas, with particular reference to Moldova. We trust that from a humanitarian perspective, the Department would keep in mind the people of Moldova at this difficult time. They are in dire need of assistance from the European Union and the international community. I do not believe there are any bilateral partnerships between Ireland and Moldova. I assume the Minister of State would engage on the matter with his EU colleagues. He might comment on whether there is any bilateral engagement or arrangement. The scenes from Poland, although distressing, appear to be the subject of some type of order and process. My concern for Moldova is that there is no such order or process, nor can there be because there is no capacity for that small neutral country to absorb the refugees.

It is just not possible. Last night I saw the President of Moldova on television make a harrowing plea to the international community and remembering that because of the presence of Russian troops on the ground in Transnistria and across other parts of Moldova, the situation there requires attention.

I thank you all for your work. We would hope that, in the course of our work later on in the year, we would visit a project undertaken by Irish Aid. We look forward to your assistance and co-operation in that pursuit. To date, the visit is merely planned and not put together but it is certainly something that we would like to do before the end of the year.

I will endeavour to try to cover all of the questions and if I forget anything, please come back to me.

I will comment on Moldova since the Chairman has talked about it. I have been in Moldova and have seen at first hand the reality prior to what happened in Ukraine and to this situation. The Chairman is quite right that Moldova faced enormous difficulties and problems in its own right. The situation that it now finds itself in, on top of that, is an incredible one. We can see that for any western EU country dealing with influxes and numbers on that scale, it is very difficult. I know there will be a meeting between officials and the Moldovan Ambassador tomorrow, so there will be a direct engagement on that. The issue has come up for discussion at the recent meeting of the EU development ministers. It is an area that requires engagement with Moldova. Both internationally and in terms of the meeting with the ambassador, there is engagement and awareness.

If it is agreeable, I will write to the Chairman with an update on the American Irish Historical Society rather than go through it today. I heard the Chairman's earlier remarks to the Minister, so I am very much aware of the comments.

I will comment on the main area of education because it is a central part of what we do in terms of Irish Aid. Deputy Stanton is quite right in so much of what he said and I would point out that it is further than that. The impact of Covid-19 on education, particularly in the area of gender equality within education, and particularly for young girls, has been absolutely devastating. It is a fair comment that programmes have probably been set back by more than ten years. We will have to look at how we engage and work to combat that because we have a very strong and very proud record of engagement on that. We have delivered a huge amount of really innovative and far reaching transformative programmes. The Deputy quite rightly alluded to the fact that when one has the opportunity to travel in countries, and not just in the EU, it is fascinating to sometimes sit down beside people who will say that because of the support that Irish Aid gave, through local education, they were able to end up studying in an Irish university and that they have gone back to work in education within their home countries. Sometimes one will even hear people from an older generation talk about the huge impact that the missionaries had, and which many Irish nuns and brothers had, in educating them right the way through. One of the things our programme focuses on, and we believe this is at the heart of it, is that necessity to have a whole-of-society approach to education, so the value of education is instilled in the community and there is buy-in. Because the number of years in education is quite short, particularly for young girls in developing countries, the impact of school closures of up to two years and the impact of non-attendance as a result of Covid have been devastating and children have not returned. In addition, there has been an horrendous corresponding increase in sexual violence in a whole host of areas as a result of the collapse of organised education. Indeed, when I was in Uganda, I saw children not able to attend their formal school but they were literally willing to travel many kilometres to attend an informal school run by volunteer teachers in the bush sitting underneath trees because they wanted to learn. We must make sure we work with our partner organisations in countries to revitalise that education and make sure we rebuild the programmes that have been so badly affected.

In response to Deputy Berry, the European funding is not within this budget and it does not come under my remit.

In terms of rebuilding, unfortunately and tragically, we are a bit off that at this moment in time. We will have to see how that evolves through our co-operation with the EU. If we are looking at a process of reconstruction, and hopefully we will reach that point as quickly as we can, then we would probably have to look at the overall finances. Within the budget, we have already committed €20 million to Ukraine on the humanitarian side alone, literally in the last number of weeks.

It is important to note that we are also very conscious and recognise that there are a range of other issues that Irish Aid works tirelessly on which still exist. There are issues in Syria, which is a huge programme for us, where we have done one of our biggest ever humanitarian support programmes. There are issues in Ethiopia in terms of humanitarian support in another horrendous conflict situation. A range of countries are affected in various ways and we are still going to support and fund them right the way through this. We now have Ukraine, which is probably the most horrendous war on our doorstep that any of us in our lifetimes has seen. Thankfully, it has shown one of the really positive responses of the Irish people in the way in which they have responded generously with their money, time and willingness to help. Irish people have shown an absolute determination to engage on every level in terms of trying to help. Within the Irish Aid context, we are certainly there and we will continue to be there. When we get to that phase of rebuilding, that will be a subject which will have to be gone into in some detail and in co-operation with our EU partners.

There were a number of questions and I apologise if I miss anything. Deputy Brady had a question about demolition. The demolition is totally unacceptable. It is contrary to what should take place. The claim is for about €950,000 and there has not been any progress on that. We wrote to them again on 9 February and that was the most recent contact. That €950,000 is the totality of the claim that the consortium has made and obviously is part of Ireland's involvement. I totally agree with the Deputy that it is upsetting and disheartening to see projects, which have been funded through any process of development aid and which are going to help people who are vulnerable and in need, being part of a confiscation or demolition process. We fully oppose that and we have directly engaged with the Israeli authorities and made our views quite clear on that.

The Deputy and others, including the Chairman, raised with me the issue of Ukraine, international rights and examining the violation of human rights. We are working with the International Committee of the Red Cross and the United Nations and we are supporting their work in examining what is happening on the ground. We have all seen the coverage of events that has shown some really horrendous situations involving civilians, including at hospitals with children and with nurses and doctors working in that environment. I imagine a process will take place involving feedback from those agencies which are on the ground. We will continue to support and work with them in terms of what is happening. That also applies to the International Criminal Court, to which the Minister referred. There is also a commission to be established by the UN Human Rights Council, all of which we will support. It is very clear, and Ireland and all of our fellow EU members are very clear, that what is happening and the way in which this war is being progressed are totally unacceptable. We will see that information coming back in to us.

Deputy Brady also asked about refugees, in particular in terms of additional financing.

I asked in the context of the commitments made previously regarding refugees coming from Eritrea and Lebanon, for example, and other countries to see if there is an impact on what we have agreed as an intake of refugees from those countries, given the scale of the crisis unfolding in Ukraine and the huge numbers from there. I want to see whether the commitment stands.

We are working towards that. The Ukraine situation will see refugees coming in. We have to recognise it will be additional and it will be very different from anything that has happened before, given the numbers of people arriving in a short period. I believe we should be very pleased with the manner in which we have responded and the openness and willingness shown not just by Irish people but by the community and all of the people of our country together. The Government has also shown a real clearness and openness to respond and to make that additional support and funding available to Ukrainians coming to our country. That is where we will be. I do not think there will be an impact in regard to the other programmes the Deputy mentioned.

I want to take a little time on the vaccine equality issue and the TRIPS waiver. I believe we have a very good and working system at the moment in terms of COVAX and the delivery of vaccines. From the experience I have had travelling in Africa in the last couple of weeks and travelling before that, there is now a large amount of vaccines available. However, although we in Ireland have an incredibly good track record on this, in terms of the next stage of getting vaccination to work, it is very important to develop the whole-of-health systems that enable vaccination programmes to roll out and to support countries to enable them to deliver vaccine programmes. There is no question that there were very strong views in regard to TRIPS but, given what is happening in, say, South Africa, where we had the establishment of production facilities funded and supported by the EU, we have wide vaccine availability.

We now have a couple of key tasks, as the World Health Organization has been pointing out. These are to tackle vaccine hesitancy and to ensure health systems are able to deliver on the ground so people can access vaccines. That is an area where we have worked. We have made a large amount of vaccines available directly through COVAX and bilaterally. We have funded, through the COVAX system in particular, the key part of what is needed in 2022 if we are to reach the 70% target we are setting, that is, to get that whole-of-health system support in place so that, as well as the actual availability of vaccine, the systems are available to deliver it and combat the resistance that is there.

It surprised me during some recent visits to listen to the outright hostility and negativity to vaccination within countries for a variety of reasons. That is something we have to work on. We have good experience through the Global Fund and the work we have done through that on AIDS, TB and malaria in regard to how we actually build programmes. In a meeting which I had with them the other day, they talked about that key importance, which we support, of building health systems from the ground up. We build from the community up so there is buy-in and acceptance of the programme, whereas the top-down delivery programmes do not always enable the most successful outcome. We are determined to work in that area to ensure we achieve our vaccine targets throughout world. To go back to that old adage that I alluded to in a different way in my opening remarks, no one is safe until everyone is safe, so that is very important.

I think I have covered most aspects.

There was the question of an invitation to the committee to visit Africa.

That is very important. There should be an opportunity for committee members to visit Africa and see some of the work that is taking place on the ground. Due to Covid, I spent the first year and three quarters in office without that opportunity. There is nothing as transformative and that is why I think it would be wonderful for this committee to have a chance to see on the ground the real benefit. One can understand in a conversation with somebody in a small village in Uganda in literally 30 seconds more of how much of what we do is important than through all the facts and figures and all the paperwork we could go through. It would be a very worthwhile experience.

I agree with the Minister of State, having seen that in action. Deputy Brady mentioned at the last session the issue of a one-stop shop or an Oireachtas line for people to contact us. Even during the break, I had a call from a constituent as to how they can help and what they can do with respect to people from Ukraine coming here. It would be a good idea because colleagues across both Houses will be contacted, very often as the first point of contact, to be asked, “What can I do? Where can we go? How we can help?” This was mentioned to the Minister earlier and perhaps the Minister of State can take that back to him as well.

My understanding is that if people arrive into an Irish airport as and from now, they will be met, engaged with and given the necessary ability to start the process straightaway. If people arrived before that system went live a couple of days ago, there will be an opportunity and people should be directed to an Intreo office to basically get all of the information. There will be a process in place in every one of those offices to allow for an immediate engagement with the information people need to be here in Ireland.

In regard to people making offers of assistance and help, it is important to try to have central co-ordination. It is an incredible situation. I am sure all of us, as Deputies, have received contact from people who are offering to give six people a job or have a room and will house somebody, and so on. There are so many offers that it is important that is co-ordinated.

I suggested earlier that perhaps the Defence Forces might be invited to assist if they are required because they have a lot of logistical experience and expertise, as Deputy Berry knows well.

We recently received an email from Trócaire with respect to the European corporate sustainability due diligence directive. It has certain concerns about the directive. I do not want to open that particular Pandora's box right now but I want to highlight it. Trócaire maintains that many EU businesses are excluded, that measures concerning gender and human rights defenders are not as strong as they should be, and that there are civil liability barriers and barriers to accessing justice.

That probably does not arise right now but it has to do with businesses in Europe working abroad but not doing the right thing and being liable to prosecution here, as I understand it. There is a question of assisting victims abroad on this issue. It is something we might come back to later but I want to highlight it now.

We are moving towards a conclusion. I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Colm Brophy, for his work and for the manner in which he dealt with members' questions. There are a number of ongoing issues which I know he will keep in contact with our members and the clerk of the committee. Once again, on behalf of the members, I thank Irish Aid and Mr. De Burca and his team for the work they undertake on a humanitarian, development, education and healthcare level in many of the most challenging areas of the world. I trust, because of the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine, that officials will keep in regular contact with members of this committee and the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, as well. We wish the Minister of State continued good fortune in the many challenges on which is engaged on behalf of Ireland and its people.

I call on the members to join with me in acknowledging that we have now completed our consideration of the Revised Estimate for Votes 27 and 28. The clerk, Mr. Murphy, will send a message to that effect to the Clerk of the Dáil in accordance with Standing Orders 101 and 100(2).

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