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Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 3 March 2004

Wednesday, 3 March 2004

Questions (19)

Róisín Shortall

Question:

96 Ms Shortall asked the Minister for Health and Children the steps being taken to ensure that the Ballymun health centre will be brought into operation and made available to the people of the area, in view of the fact that it has remained unused, although completed, for a year at an estimated cost of €3.5 million; if he has received an application for funding to allow the centre to be fitted out; if he intends to make this money available; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7060/04]

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The identification, prioritisation and provision of health centres to meet the health and personal social service needs of local communities are matters for the health boards or the Eastern Regional Health Authority, ERHA. Prior to proceeding with the development of such facilities, however, a number of requirements must be satisfied. Of fundamental importance in informing a decision to allow a health board or the ERHA to proceed with a particular development is the availability of sufficient funding to meet the full cost involved. Additionally, all health boards and agencies are required to follow the Department's guidance documentation for capital projects, together with national and EU capital procurement procedures. It is a requirement, in the first instance, for the health agency involved to submit to the Department project details for agreement such as assessment of need, option appraisal, design brief, cost estimates and cashflow projections.

The former Eastern Health Board and its successors, the ERHA and the Northern Area Health Board, NAHB, in conjunction with Ballymun Regeneration Limited, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Dublin City Council established for the purpose of advancing the regeneration of the area, proceeded with the development of the project in hand, involving a new health centre and community care headquarters as part of the new civic office development which was to be the centrepiece of the redevelopment of Ballymun town centre. The project was not pursued with either the involvement or approval of my Department.

The latest estimates provided by the ERHA indicate a funding requirement in excess of €60 million for the provision of the facilities. The authority said the Northern Area Health Board intends to acquire its share of the building on a lease-purchase basis over a 14-year period. The indicative annual cost of this proposal over the 14-year period is approximately €4.02 million. The authority has further indicated that the proposed financing arrangement will mean that the Northern Area Health Board or its successors will own the relevant portion of the building after this period.

Additionally, the fit-out of the NAHB's portion of the building has been estimated at €6.35 million and the provision of furniture and fittings is estimated at an additional €2.8 million. Further clarifications to allow my Department to complete its evaluation of the project are required from the ERHA and the NAHB on various aspects of this project, in particular those relating to the overall scope of the project, funding, procurement procedures and value for money.

The fact is that 14 months after the completion of this fine facility to provide for a health centre and health board offices at a cost of €46 million, it remains idle. The Minister says he has not received all the relevant information from the Northern Area Health Board and Eastern Regional Health Authority, yet they say they have given it to him and have kept his officials up to date on developments during the past three years.

Someone is not telling the truth. A major public building has been completed without, it appears, proper approval first being sought. This matter should be referred to the Comptroller and Auditor General. A great deal was spent on this project and moneys committed are not forthcoming. I raised this matter on the Adjournment with the Minister one month ago on 3 February and he told me he was seeking information and further clarification from the ERHA and the Northern Area Health Board. Has the Minister received that information? Does he require further information? When is he likely to take a decision on the substantial amount of money committed to this project?

The Deputy hit the nail on the head when she said this matter could be one for a committee of the House or for the Comptroller and Auditor General to investigate.

Very often the Department is attacked for simply rubber-stamping such projects. I have raised this matter with my officials who are clear the project proceeded without approval or involvement by the Department of Health and Children. That issue needs to be teased out. My officials told me as late as today, during preparations on the reply to the Deputy's question, that further clarifications to allow the Department to complete its evaluation of the project are required on various aspects of it, in particular those relating to its overall scope, funding, procurement procedures and value for money.

I take the Deputy's point that the centre is ready for occupation. There is a desire among all the parties involved that the centre be put to use. The Department has, however, raised fundamental issues in terms of accountability and is proceeding with a degree of caution in that regard.

When is the Minister likely to reach a decision on this matter? Proper procedures may have been breached but the facility has been completed and has remained idle for 14 months. There is an urgent need for proper health care facilities in the Ballymun area. It is up to the Minister to take a decision on the matter. He knows what is required. The facility needs to be fitted out and the rent needs to be paid, a burden which another State agency is carrying while awaiting funding from the Department of Health and Children. The city council has paid approximately €6 million in rent during the past year. There is a sense of urgency about this matter, not least because people in the Ballymun area are awaiting the provision of decent health services. When will the Minister bring this project to fruition?

If the reason this facility is not being commissioned is that it proceeded without departmental approval, what then is the explanation for the failure to open Mullingar General Hospital; the 90-bed community unit in Birr; large parts of Blanchardstown Hospital, including the ICU and surgical blocks; and the part commissioning of the accident and emergency unit at Naas General Hospital? Do these projects remain unopened for the same reason or is there another explanation for the Minister's failure to commission them?

They are separate issues.

We have sanctioned the 90-bed development in Birr.

When was that sanction given?

Approximately one month ago.

It was a long time coming.

We work with the boards on such issues. The Department will not roll-over, accept whatever estimates it receives, pay out the money and everything will be hunky-dory. That is not the way things are done.

What about Blanchardstown Hospital?

That is a separate matter.

There are a number of issues involved, such as ongoing funding. There was a great deal of criticism of the Brennan report. My Department provided information to the Brennan commission regarding significant overexpenditure across many health boards on capital projects not approved by it. The general system came in for criticism in that regard. The Department must draw a line somewhere. I accept there is a dispute on this issue which arose under the auspices of the previous authority, the Eastern Health Board. The matter is now being dealt with the Northern Area Health Board and the ERHA. The view of the Department is that this very significant project proceeded without its approval.

A project that has received approval has not received funding.

There has been a great deal of criticism of how this project has been handled but everyone accepts there has to be accountability.

What is the Minister going to do about it now?

I do not have a date for the completion of the process but I will undertake to keep the Deputy up to date on progress. The Department is endeavouring to bring this matter to a conclusion.

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