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Garda Policing Plans

Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 19 September 2012

Wednesday, 19 September 2012

Questions (5)

Catherine Murphy

Question:

5. Deputy Catherine Murphy asked the Minister for Justice and Equality the factors which are taken into consideration when the annual policing plan is being prepared; if population growth trends and projections across the country that have been taken into account when previous policing plans have been prepared, especially with regard to the geographical distribution of Gardaí; when he expects the next policing plan to be presented to him; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [39448/12]

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Oral answers (9 contributions)

By the end of October each year, the Garda Commissioner is obliged under the Garda Síochána Act 2005 to submit to the Minister a policing plan for the following year which sets out the proposed arrangements for the policing of the State. The approved plan is laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas.

When preparing the plan, the Commissioner must under the Act have regard to a number of matters, including the resources available to the Garda Síochána, the priorities for the Garda Síochána as determined by the Minister, relevant Government policy and the Garda Síochána's own strategy statement. In addition, the Act provides that the policing plan must include details of certain types of proposals, including proposals to open or close a Garda station, establish or dissolve a Garda national unit, alter certain Garda geographical boundaries, or establish or relocate certain Garda headquarters.

The policing plan for 2013 has not yet been submitted to the Minister and it would be premature to speculate at this stage what it might contain, although it is expected to contain proposals for the further rationalisation of the Garda station network.

Clearly, in drawing up arrangements for the policing of the State each year the Commissioner and his senior management team take all relevant factors into account, including population, crime levels and trends and policing priorities. The objective is to ensure that optimum use is made of Garda resources and the most effective policing service is provided to the public.

I have a copy of last year's plan and I see how it is broken down. The Garda Commissioner does not take population into consideration and there is no evidence of him doing so. For example, based on a number of comparators Kildare is the worst policed area in the country. If the whole country had the same level of gardaí as are present in Kildare, we could let 4,800 gardaí go. The level of policing in Kildare is approximately half the average in the rest of the country. For example, Kerry has nine fewer gardaí than Kildare but has 75,000 fewer people. Mayo has 15 fewer gardaí than Kildare but has 80,000 fewer people. In Sligo and Leitrim there are 11 fewer gardaí than in Kildare but 113,000 fewer people. None of those counties would be regarded as very high crime areas. The commuter belt areas that have developed in recent years have not been treated fairly.

The seven Kildare Deputies met the assistant Garda commissioner. We sought a meeting with the Commissioner and he arranged a meeting with the assistant commissioner. The assistant commissioner told us that within each region what they have they hold. Our region is the commuter belt region.

A question, please.

Moving people between regions is just not possible in that situation. Seven Deputies sought a meeting months ago with the Garda Commissioner and he has given us the deaf ear. We have been advised that the resources are not nationally based but regionally based and what we have we hold.

I call the Minister of State to reply. I will call the Deputy again.

These Garda reports are only works of fiction unless there is a real prospect of using resources where they are needed rather than where they are located at the moment.

I have reviewed the briefing material that accompanied the reply and I fully accept what the Deputy says. The commuter belt has a significant spread of population which gives rise to a particular difficulty. As I stated in my reply, the Garda Commissioner is obliged to prepare a policing plan each year and in doing so is obliged to take a number of factors into account. When the Minister receives the plan he may approve it in the form of the draft submitted or he may amend it after consulting the Commissioner. I suggest to the Deputy that the seven Deputies from Kildare might seek a meeting with the Minister before the end of October.

It is a welcome suggestion. The Minister of State said the Minister has his job to do and the Commissioner has his job to do. Our problem is that we are going around in circles making this demand with the Minister saying it is the responsibility of the Garda Commissioner, the Garda Commissioner refusing to meet us and the regions insisting that what we have we hold. At the same time people's homes are being broken into and the crime rate is increasing. If there is to be pain at least it should be equally shared.

I have very little to add other than the suggestion I have already made. Such a meeting should take place before the policing plan is submitted.

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