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Mortgage Interest Rates

Dáil Éireann Debate, Tuesday - 29 September 2015

Tuesday, 29 September 2015

Questions (120)

John Halligan

Question:

120. Deputy John Halligan asked the Minister for Finance if he has requested the banks to cut their high variable rates; the nature of their response; the reason his Department did not exert more pressure on the banks to introduce more variable rate reductions; his views that it is acceptable that some banks have reduced their fixed rates, but have left variable rates unchanged; his plans to amend regulations to stop banks overcharging for variable rate mortgages; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [33090/15]

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Oral answers (6 contributions)

My question is in a similar vein to that asked by Deputy Michael McGrath. However, is the Minister comfortable in the belief that he has exerted enough pressure on the banks to introduce more variable rate reductions? Does he accept that some banks have reduced their fixed rates but have left variable rates unchanged? Is the Minister prepared to change the law, as suggested by many Members? As recently as last week, the Tánaiste, Deputy Joan Burton, spoke about something being done in the upcoming budget that would force banks which are overcharging to reduce their interest rates down in line with Europe.

As the Deputy is aware, I have taken steps to ensure that the banks provide options for mortgage holders to reduce their monthly repayments. Last May, I requested a report from the Central Bank on the topic, which I subsequently published. I also met the six main mortgage lenders in May and outlined my view that the standard variable rate being charged to Irish customers was too high. The banks agreed to review their rates and products and, by the beginning of July, to have simple options to reduce monthly mortgage payments for standard variable rate customers.

Last week, I concluded a series of follow-up meetings with these banks and the reality is that the majority have put options in place to allow borrowers reduce their repayments. As the Deputy will be aware, these options range from lower variable rates to new suites of variable rates based on loan to value, and reductions in fixed rates.

It is a matter for each individual borrower to decide what suits his or her circumstances. Borrowers should carefully consider that some fixed rates on offer are now substantially lower than the standard variable rate, SVR, and would result in savings for some customers. I therefore encourage borrowers to contact their bank to see what is available to them in their circumstances or consider moving to another bank if the offer is not satisfactory.

I also point out that lenders have not just reduced fixed rates. One lender reduced its SVR, for example, while another has embarked on a new pricing strategy based on property valuation. Banks have also put measures in place to attract new customers who might switch from existing borrowers. I asked the banks to provide options by which mortgage customers might reduce their monthly repayments and I believe options have been put in place.

The issue of regulating interest rates was the subject of two Private Members' Bills before the recess. Discussions on the Bills illustrated the unintended consequences which can arise when a Government intervenes in the market. As the Governor of the Central Bank said, in most advanced economies, including Ireland, it has long been understood that tight administrative control over the rates charged by banks would be counterproductive to ensuring a sufficient flow of properly priced credit on a lasting basis. Such control would strongly discourage new entrants. The Central Bank has not sought any power to regulate interest rates and I have made it clear that I would be willing to consider such regulation if the Central Bank requested it.

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My Department and I exerted pressure on lenders by calling them in to discuss the issue twice and by reviewing the possibility of regulating interest rates or imposing a levy on the banks. Our opinion is that regulation would have negative consequences for customers in the long run and this position is supported by Central Bank and ESRI research. Competition represents the best long term solution to the problem. The Government made a commitment in the statement of Government priorities 2014 to 2016 to applying downward pressure on mortgage rates by increasing and supporting competition in the market and it will continue to work to fulfil that commitment.

Aside from unemployment, would the Minister accept that mortgage arrears are the single biggest issue facing Irish homes today? He will be all too aware of the many people in long-term arrears on their homes. At the end of June, it was estimated that there were 38,000 mortgage accounts over two years behind in payments. This figure continues to grow as, I believe, will the number of evictions.

The high costs being paid by those on variable mortgages is a huge factor. There is no question about that. While some borrowers on tracker loans are paying less than 1%, from what I can gather, others on variable rates are paying 4.5%, which is significantly higher than the equivalent Euro rate which, while I am open to discussion on that point, I reckon is about 2.2%.

For some families, the extra cost will determine whether they can heat their homes this winter. Others are being forced into further arrears, bringing them closer to the limit at which they will not be able to keep their homes. The Minister made the point that they should consider moving to a different lender. That should not have to be an option. We should be able to bring in legislation to force the banks to reduce their variable interest rates, as has been said in this House on numerous occasions by Deputies from all parties.

While I will consider the option which the Deputy has outlined for me, I rely on the Central Bank to advise me on these matters. It has advised very strongly not to introduce legislation along the lines of the very good Bill which Deputy Michael McGrath produced. While we might have short-term gains for persons on variable mortgage rates, the availability of mortgage funding could dry up. There would be another tranche of people who would not be able to get mortgages on the market if there was a strict fixing of rates applied by the Central Bank or some other agency.

Despite the significantly lower cost of wholesale funding, not to mention the €20.8 billion we used to bail out the banks, there is no question in ordinary people's minds that the banks have been underwhelming, to say the least, in their response to this crisis. Of all the institutions I deal with, such as State institutions, the health service, credit unions or whatever, some of the banks have been the most inhuman. They have very little compassion for people. It is no wonder that people are furious. The Minister cannot blame them for looking to Europe and the variable rate there. There is now a fear that we seem to have no control over the banks.

I have gone out of my way not to criticise the Minister personally but the point remains that I am dubious about the reasons he has given for the Central Bank saying it would mean very little to bring in legislation. That matter should be put to the banks. I would like to have debated in the House the effects the Central Bank says the introduction of legislation would have on future lending. I am not too sure that what is being said is the case. However, the case remains that there are 30,000 people who cannot pay the rates as they stand today.

I agree with some of the views expressed by the Deputy. When I entered office in March 2011, the banks were insolvent. Anglo Irish Bank was gone out of business completely and Allied Irish Banks, Bank of Ireland and Permanent TSB were insolvent. After three weeks in office, in order to try to make them solvent, I had to recapitalise them. That was on the last day of March 2011. The banks were severely damaged institutions and had great difficulties with their customers. We have been working our way through this ever since. We are now in a position in which we have viable banks trading again and providing the kinds of credit lines we need to keep an economy growing at a rate of 5%. Mortgage interest and mortgage provision are part of that. People need houses and have to have mortgages to purchase them. The interest rates are higher than in the rest of Europe. It is arguable what the margin actually is, but much of the additional margin is due to the first statement of the Deputy, the fact that there are so many mortgages in arrears. The banks have to cover the mortgage book. However, we are working our way through it and circumstances are improving on a monthly basis. I hope they continue to improve.

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