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Community Employment Schemes

Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 1 July 2021

Thursday, 1 July 2021

Questions (104)

Claire Kerrane

Question:

104. Deputy Claire Kerrane asked the Minister for Social Protection if her attention has been drawn to issues communities and organisations are facing in filling community employment places; if so, if she will consider removing limitations on the length of time those aged over 55 years can spend on a community employment scheme, especially in cases in which there is no one there to replace them as a solution to the issue; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [35201/21]

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My question is on people aged over 55 who are on community employment, CE, schemes. Is the Minister of State aware of the difficulties that arise when these people have to leave the community employment schemes because their time is up? Services and organisations are under pressure to replace the people leaving the schemes and in some cases, services can be lost. Will the Minister of State consider allowing people aged over 55 to remain on community employment schemes up to the age of 62, when they are no longer obliged to participate in activation services.

I thank the Deputy for her question. I appreciate that the challenges caused by the Covid-19 public health restrictions have impacted on CE schemes. They have impacted on referrals to CE schemes and the services they provide. I met representatives of a number of CE and Tús schemes on 11 June last. We had a constructive exchange of views on the very real challenges facing the unemployment support schemes and how the Department can support schemes over the coming months as they resume more normal levels of service.

I expect that as the economy reopens, we will be able to restore normal participant levels. In fact, we are making provision for an extra 3,000 participant places on CE and Tús schemes over the coming 12 months. In the meantime, the Minister for Social Protection and I recently announced that the existing CE participant contract extension date will be further extended until 20 October 2021 and that the conclusion of these places will be undertaken on a co-ordinated and phased basis.

Over 11,000 CE and Tús participants are benefiting from the latest contract extension up to the end of October. This approach will give participants time to complete training and work experience, while also supporting the delivery of important community services. While the extension of placements helps to alleviate immediate pressures, it is important to note that CE placements are intended to be temporary and subject to time limits. That is to ensure the continued availability of places on CE schemes for other candidates.

As the economy reopens, we hope that we can return to a normal level of throughput in order that places will be available to new candidates, including the significant numbers displaced from employment due to Covid-19. I will continue to support and improve the programme for the benefit of the CE participants and the valuable contribution being made to local communities through the provision of services, while ensuring that places are available for those who are long-term unemployed.

I thank the Minister of State for his reply. I welcome the engagement he has had with CE schemes. I imagine that the matters raised in that engagement included the issues concerning the over 55s, specifically people leaving schemes and services not receiving the referrals they need to fill places. It is probably a good few months since I last checked but as of now, there are 2,406 vacancies on CE schemes advertised on the website. That is a huge number of vacancies.

I met a disability group in County Roscommon a couple of weeks ago. It has 26 CE posts and can fill only 18. It said the reason is that it is not getting the referrals. The service is a crucial disability service for County Roscommon and it serves people beyond that county. There were 34,000 CE participants in 2015 and there are 21,492 in 2021. There is a problem here.

We would be very unwise to change the conditions right now when we are in an atypical situation. I hope we are coming to the end of a period and it is looking good for coming out of Covid. There has been very little movement in the labour market during the pandemic. That is a large part of the reason places are currently empty. There were no places for people to go until recent months. It is temporary and circumstances are about to change.

We are considering a much larger cohort who will potentially be eligible for CE. The Deputy mentioned that there are 2,000 vacancies. I have a figure of 1,705 for June 2021. There is work to be done, however, and we are going to have to fill a large number of vacancies as participants exit over the six months. The activation services have geared up significantly, with over 800 additional staff in recent months.

I appreciate that Covid has played a role. The jobs website indicates the number of CE vacancies today is 2,406. It is a great shame that we have disability services with 26 posts they cannot fill. They can fill only 18. They tell me it is because they are not getting the referrals. Alarm bells should be ringing when this is happening. They should be ringing over the fact that we have over 2,000 vacancies. It is important that we acknowledge referrals to CE were reducing long before Covid. They were reducing all the time. JobPath was ramping up and CE was not getting a look in.

I appreciate the scheme has been extended for current participants but, after Covid, we should consider the position of those over 55. It is such a shame that when they finish their time, a service could be lost. They are doing a really good job, particularly in rural areas, where they cannot be replaced. I ask the Minister of State to consider the issue of those over 55 in time.

We will be paying particular attention to CE schemes that are providing essential services. The operational forum recommenced on 11 June. We will be having other meetings in September and some months after that to determine how we can get through these challenges over time. It came up during the proceedings of the forum that many schemes were not aware of the service support stream. I want to share information on this because it is useful. CE employment participants over the age of 62 can participate on CE continuously until they reach the State pension age via the CE service support stream. Participation is subject to availability of places, satisfactory performance on the CE scheme and annual approval by the Department. The number of places available for service support scheme participants within each CE scheme is subject to limitation criteria. In seven of the eight divisions, there are free places on the service support scheme. That is worth noting and spreading the word about.

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