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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-10/6/
10 Jun 1970 -
something to say about sending them to and fro when I come to deal with particular sections of the Bill...Patrick's when they are sentenced by the court to go to prison....which would be vested in the Minister to transfer back, so far as the court is concerned once this Bill...They will have to be sent to prison. They cannot be sent to St. Patrick's Institution....If that were done I certainly would then feel fairly happy about this provision in the Bill.
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-26/42/
26 May 1970 -
There is a certain danger in this Bill....Perhaps the most important thing is the concept of day release instituted in the 1960 Criminal Justice Bill...More prisoners should be involved....It is also important to try to ensure that prisoners develop a sense of responsibility in prison....responsibility which prisoners have.
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
O'Higgins What discretionary power is the Minister being given to provide places other than prisons...The only limitation is that these places must be places other than prisons....In my view the Minister is at liberty to transfer prisoners to places which may be under military control...They must be places other than prisons....it is interesting to note that the regulations which the Minister may make under that section of the Bill
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
O'Malley ——I could, in theory, ensure in this way that every prisoner held in our prisons was held in...degree of reasonableness and rationality is expected from any Minister for Justice in dealing with prisoners...and the care of prisoners....from appointing persons with say, the most appalling perversions as members of the staff of all our prisons...Since, in my view, there is no possibility under this Bill of the section being used for the purpose
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1971-06-02/35/
2 Jun 1971 -
O'Malley Deputy Fitzpatrick's contribution on this section, which he feels is the nub of the Bill and...in his view the most objectionable part of it, suggested clearly that there is no need for this Bill...I should like to refer the House to the Official Report for Tuesday, 26th May, 1970, Volume 247, column...110, when Deputy Fitzpatrick was speaking on Second Stage of the Prisons Bill, 1970.
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-11/4/
11 Jun 1970 -
Bill, 1970, we have under section 2 what sounds like a step in the right direction but about which I...The closed prison necessitates upkeep of both the prison and the personnel of the prison....Finally, on section 7 of the Bill relating to the powers of the Minister to transfer to prison persons...Patrick's and put into prison....I would hope that this will not be the only Prisons Bill that we will see during the next year.
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
of rehabilitation, the Minister must be quite definite about what he wants to do in section 2 of the Bill...The Minister very kindly allowed me last week to see the prison in Portlaoise and, on the point that...has been raised, I think that the big drawback there is the fact that there are prisoners there who are...At least we should ensure that under section 2 of this Bill young offenders whom we hope to have rehabilitated
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-10/6/
10 Jun 1970 -
O'Malley Military custody would be in a prison and not in places other than prisons for the purpose
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
Inside prisons the object of classification is to segregate prisoners having regard to their age and...maintaining good order and facilitating training and, of course, with a view to keeping unconvicted prisoners...out of contact with convicted prisoners as far as this can reasonably be done.
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-26/42/
26 May 1970 -
The Bill we are dealing with this evening is the Prisons Bill, 1970....kind than there might be in many other Bills....The Minister justifiably did not have much to say about the provisions of the Bill but dealt with prison...The Minister has power under this Bill to establish an institution, other than a prison or mental hospital...I agree with this Bill in principle.
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
willing to go along with him, there is nothing in the world to prevent him under section 2 of this Bill...That is what was contemplated by the Minister's predecessor when he introduced the Criminal Justice Bill...Section 45 of that Bill sought the power to transfer civilian prisoners to military custody and the Minister...we have, we must accept the fact that if any group of people are determined to get themselves into prison...Our prisons have neither the accommodation nor the staff to cater for a sudden influx of any substantial
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-26/42/
26 May 1970 -
The Dutch have the closed prisons, the semi-open prison and the open prison....I do not think we have any open prisons at all....This Bill asks us to do precisely that with the emotional health of a young person in our society, and...The provisions in the Bill are minimal....curious thing is that the only worthwhile proposals mentioned by the Minister are not included in the Bill
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
point, which the Minister apparently did not think was made seriously, that under section 2 of the Bill...interjection suggested that if a transfer was made to a place under military custody that would be a prison...and that the framing of section 2 provides for the transfer to places other than prisons....Detention under military custody does not necessarily mean detention in prison....to transfer juvenile prisoners anywhere including to military custody, or the intention is not there
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
Remember, a very short while ago the Minister's predecessor introduced the Criminal Justice Bill, 1967...In section 45 of that Bill there was specific provision being made for the transfer of civilian prisoners...at section 45 for the transfer of civilian prisoners to military custody....of overcrowding of civilian prisons and contains in later sections power to deal with the question of...to section 45, which sought to give power to the Minister to transfer civilian prisoners to military
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-26/42/
26 May 1970 -
, and the interests of the staff against those of the prisoners...., and between the staff and the prisoners....I welcome this Bill and I also welcome the Minister's opening speech, which dealt not only with many...I think this Bill and the new Minister's speech are a credit to him as well....and in adult prisons generally.
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-27/3/
27 May 1970 -
Fitzpatrick in welcoming this measure and in congratulating the Minister for having introduced the Bill...giving to us his detailed personal views and the views of the professional staff of the Department on prison...statement of the Minister is an indication that we may revise our circumspect opinions in relation to prisons...I particularly welcome the Bill as a public representative in whose constituency the semi-open institution
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-27/3/
27 May 1970 -
in the prisons, particularly prisoners who do not have many relatives....with prisoners both in prison and afterwards....for the running of the prison....Prisoners should be allowed to go out and work in the community, returning to prison at night....It is something which should form part of the prison sentence of every prisoner.
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Debate: Dáil Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1970-05-27/3/
27 May 1970 -
I suggest we should have information as to how many prisoners are given this instruction....It might be possible that only four, five or six prisoners get such instruction in a year....The Minister referred to prison diet and there has been discussion here on it....In conclusion I should first of all like to repeat my welcome for this Bill and for the Minister's opening...Section 3 (1) of the Bill states that the Minister may, by regulations, specify by reference to age and
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-17/4/
17 Jun 1970 -
effectively in his regulation is that Shanganagh, for example, should be open for the reception of male prisoners...that is as far as he should go and that it should be a question for the experts to select the actual prisoners...The selection of prisoners must be on expert guidance and on the kind of intimate knowledge that the...The whole purpose of this Bill and the purpose of the open centre at Shanganagh is to provide a place...regret that he did not have the power to say in regulations that this centre shall be open to male prisoners
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Debate: Seanad Éireann
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/1970-06-10/6/
10 Jun 1970 -
O'Malley) This short and, I think, non-controversial Bill has three objects....Section 2 of the Bill gives legislative approval to the "open" centre at Shanganagh....the Bill....Patrick's Institution to places established under section 2 of the Bill....This section, too, will not come into force when the Bill becomes law.
