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COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS díospóireacht -
Thursday, 27 Apr 2006

Chapter 10.2 — Automated Passport System.

Mr. D. Gallagher (Secretary General, Department of Foreign Affairs) called and examined.

We are here to discuss the 2004 annual report of the Comptroller and General and Appropriation Accounts, specifically Vote 28 — Department of Foreign Affairs, Vote 29 — International Co-operation, chapter 10.1 — EU Presidency and chapter 10.2 — automated passport system, and relevant correspondence documentation received on the transport arrangements put in place by the Department of Foreign Affairs for Ireland's Presidency of the EU.

Witnesses should be aware that they do not enjoy absolute privilege in giving evidence before the committee. The attention of members and witnesses is drawn to the fact that as and from 2 August 1998 section 10 of the Committees of the Houses of the Oireachtas (Compellability, Privileges and Immunities of Witnesses) Act 1997 grants certain rights to persons identified in the course of the committee's proceedings. These rights include the right to give evidence; the right to produce or send documents to the committee; the right to appear before the committee, either in person or through a representative; the right to make a written and oral submission; the right to request the committee to direct the attendance of witnesses and the production of documents and the right to cross-examine witnesses. For the most part, these rights may be exercised only with the consent of the committee. Persons invited to appear before the committee are made aware of these rights and any persons identified in the course of proceedings who are not present may have to be made aware of them and provided with a transcript of the relevant part of the committee's proceedings if the committee considers this appropriate in the interests of justice.

Notwithstanding this provision in legislation, I remind members of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. They are also reminded of the provisions in Standing Order 156 that the committee shall refrain from inquiring into the merits of a policy or policies of the Government or a Minister of the Government or the merits of the objectives of such policy or policies.

I invite Mr. Gallagher to introduce his officials.

Mr. Dermot Gallagher

I am accompanied by Ms Marie Cross who is head of corporate services. This will be her last occasion here as she is moving to an ambassadorial post in Brussels. I am also accompanied by Mr. Martin Rouine, who is our expert on passports and is in charge of that area; Mr. Adrian O'Neill, who has worked for a long time on Northern Ireland, in particular developing our relationship with the DUP, and who will take over from Ms Marie Cross; Mr. Brendan Rogers, who is the assistant secretary and deputy director general in charge of Irish Aid; and Mr. Gerry Gervin from the corporate development side of Irish Aid.

I ask Ms Hanlon from the Department of Finance to introduce the officials.

Ms Deirdre Hanlon

I am from the public expenditure division of the Department of Finance. I will be joined shortly by my colleague, Mr. Jim O'Farrell, from the organisational management and development division. I am also accompanied by Ms Joan Daly who is from that division.

Will Mr. Purcell introduce Votes 28 and 29 and chapters 10.1 and 10.2?

Paragraphs 10.1 and 10.2 of the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General read:

10.1 EU Presidency

Introduction

An Interdepartmental Administrative Planning Group met regularly from 2001 to co-ordinate work associated with the EU Presidency and extensive preparatory work was necessary to ensure the successful planning and organisation of the very large number of meetings to be hosted and chaired.

The 2004 Presidency posed new and demanding challenges in comparison with that held in 1996 on account of:

·The progression of ten States from observer to full membership of the European Union during the Presidency which required provision of logistical support for twenty-five Member States and three observer States, Bulgaria, Romania and Turkey.

·The negotiation of private sector sponsorship and

·Significant advances in information and communications technology since 1996.

Financing the Presidency

The largest proportion of the cost to the State of hosting the Presidency was borne by the Department of Foreign Affairs (the Department). Funding for the costs relating to Presidency events was provided in the Vote for 2003 and 2004. The main expenditure headings were payroll costs of extra staff, travel and subsistence, accommodation and hospitality, information technology, telecommunications and office premises and supplies. The total amount charged to the Vote was €10.7 million in 2003 and €21.4 million in 2004. During the course of audit an analysis was carried out of Departmental Presidency expenditure in 2003 and 2004 and the results are summarised in Table 1.

Table 1

2003

2004

Total

Salaries and Allowances

3,871,284

5,312,668

9,183,952

Travel and Subsistence Expenses

414,475

3,220,213

3,634,688

Helicopter Hire

159,723

159,723

Accommodation and Hospitality

9,005

2,396,640

2,405,645

Premises Costs

1,429,289

1,611,921

3,041,210

Telecommunications and Postal Expenses

63,329

1,642,534

1,705,863

Publications and Stationery

587,277

2,163,475

2,750,752

Information Technology Costs

3,486,309

559,272

4,045,581

Presidency Training

83,409

64,298

147,707

Press and Information

552,593

1,074,851

1,627,444

European Council Expenses

2,255,964

2,255,964

Incidental Expenses

210,841

910,897

1,121,738

Total

10,707,811

21,372,456

32,080,267

The analysis was hampered by an inadequate account code structure. The Department accepts that there were inadequacies and has since simplified and rationalised the structure.

In the course of my audit of the expenditure a number of minor issues arose and were brought to the attention of the Accounting Officer. He has informed me that lessons have been learned from these instances and such problems will not recur. However in the case of road transport services two specific issues arose and these are addressed in the following paragraphs.

Road Transport Services

Expenditure on Travel and Subsistence Expenses includes an amount of €920,220 paid in respect of road transport services provided by a single contractor. A further amount of €45,166 paid to the same contractor, is charged to Press and Information bringing the total paid to €965,386.

Procurement procedure

The procurement process, which resulted in the placing of this contract was as follows:

·A notice seeking expressions of interest was issued on 31 October 2003 to six transport providers seeking expressions of interest by 5 November and detailed proposals by 10 November 2003.

·Three proposals were received and two applicants were interviewed on 24 November 2003.

·Following consideration of factors including cost, management skills, personnel, capacity, capability, experience and quality of service, the Interdepartmental Administrative Planning Group for the Presidency agreed on the supplier to be offered the contract.

·The Department on 26 November 2003 issued a letter of offer to that supplier. The letter stated that the Department would be in contact later to discuss the terms and operation of the contract.

·On 1 December 2003 the supplier confirmed acceptance of the offer in writing.

Under national and EU procurement guidelines the appropriate procurement procedure for services on this scale is an open tendering competition. However in this instance the Department utilised negotiated tendering. The use of negotiated tendering is permitted only in exceptional circumstances or in the case of extreme urgency or unforeseen events. According to the Guide to Community Rules on Public Procurement of Services, published by the European Commission for Directive 92/50/EEC, unforeseen events are events which fall outside the field of normal economic and social activity, such as floods or earthquakes which necessitate urgent services to assist victims. Recourse to the urgency procedure is permitted by the Directive only to the extent necessary to procure services necessary to deal with the immediate urgent situation over a period of about one month. For services required after this period it is considered that the contracting authority has sufficient time to publish a contract notice and award a service contract in accordance with normal procedures. I asked the Accounting Officer why the Department did not employ open tendering and place a formal notice in the Official Journal of the EU as required by national and EU procurement guidelines. I also asked how the Department concluded that the negotiated tendering procedure was appropriate in the circumstances as it was not clear to me that the Department could rely on the extreme urgency provision of the EU Directive in the circumstances in which it found itself in October 2003.

The Accounting Officer informed me that the Department acknowledges that it should have placed a formal notice in the Official Journal and regrets that it did not do so. He stated that it was the complex and protracted nature of the ultimately successful negotiation of private sector transport sponsorship that compelled the Department not to employ the open tendering procedure.

For the first time during an Irish Presidency the Department negotiated a range of private sector sponsorship agreements. This sponsorship resulted in an overall estimated saving of approximately €3.5 million. Of that amount the value of transport sponsorship was an estimated €1.8 million.

As the Danish Presidency provided the model for the Department on how to handle private sector sponsorship, an evaluation of the Danish experience was possible only in February 2003 after their Presidency. Cabinet Committee approval to seek private sector sponsorship was received in early April 2003 and the process of seeking sponsors for the Presidency was initiated at that stage. In the transport area a number of companies offered sponsorship. Until an offer of sponsorship was agreed in October 2003, the Department's precise transport needs for the Presidency could not be fully known.

In view of the time constraints, and the absolute need to have transport arrangements in place at the start of the Presidency, the Department was not in a position, in October 2003, to use the open tendering procedure. It came to the conclusion, therefore, that it had no option but to use the negotiated and urgency procedure. This procedure can be used in cases of extreme and genuine urgency where the delay was caused by factors unforeseeable and not attributable to, or within the control of, the contracting authority. Article 20 of Council Directive 92/50/EEC and the Department of Finance 1994 Guidelines provided the framework in operation at the time.

At that time the 1994 Department of Finance Guidelines set out the framework of how to proceed to tender. However, the Accounting Officer stated from Presidency preparatory work, it was known that a new draft Directive was close to completion. The Department contacted the relevant unit in the Department of Finance and received a copy of the new draft guidelines. These had been prepared in anticipation of the conclusion of the negotiations and the imminent adoption of the draft Directive (which became Directive 2004/18/EC published in the Official Journal of the European Communities, 30 April 2004). Both sets of guidelines informed the Department’s decision to use the urgency procedure. The text of the draft guidelines on the negotiated and urgency tendering procedure supplied by the Department of Finance is identical to Guidelines adopted in 2004. The Department sought to follow best practice in awarding the Presidency contract in that it both anticipated and applied the new regime.

In his reply to me the Accounting Officer also stated that one of the lessons to be learned from the Presidency in 2004 is that, if significant sponsorship arrangements are to be entered into for services such as transport, the negotiations with potential sponsors should start and conclude some very considerable time before the Presidency. The Department now knew that nine months is an insufficient amount of time to negotiate a transport sponsorship arrangement and to conduct a full tendering procedure.

Form of agreement

I noted that the contractual arrangement or agreement between the Department and the service provider took the form of an exchange of letters, comprising a letter of offer from the Department and a letter from the contractor confirming acceptance of the Department's offer. The correspondence did not refer to any terms or conditions relating to the contract. However, the Department did indicate in its letter that it would be in contact thereafter to discuss the terms and operation of the contract. While these matters may have subsequently been discussed no formal written record exists nor did they result in a formal written agreement.

Given the value, scale and nature of the services involved I was concerned that the State's financial and legal interests might not have been adequately protected by a simple exchange of letters. I asked the Accounting Officer why the Department did not follow up the exchange of letters with a formal written contract setting out the terms, obligations and standards required. Such a contract should include conditions regarding the contractor's responsibility for meeting all statutory obligations.

I was informed that the successful tender proposal contained a breakdown of the services to be provided and the terms and conditions of the proposal were acceptable to the Department. At the time, the Department considered that the tender document, together with the performance of those arrangements, gave rise to a contractual relationship that protected the Department. This has been confirmed by legal advisers, including the Chief State Solicitor. The Department accepted and recognised that a formal written contract should have been concluded. However, due to the extraordinary demands of the Presidency, this was not acted on.

He also stated that, determined to learn from this failure, the Department has had a series of meetings with the Chief State Solicitor's Office and its own legal advisers with a view to ensuring that a Departmental wide system is in place to ensure that such a situation could not happen again.

10.2 Automated Passport System

A new automated passport application and production system has recently been installed in the Passport Office of the Department of Foreign Affairs (the Department). I carried out an examination of this project to establish that proper public procurement procedures were applied, to review the planning, implementation, and management of the project and to compare progress against plans in terms of costs and implementation timetable.

Background

By the late 1990s, the systems in the Passport Office for processing applications were in urgent need of replacement. The technology was obsolete and in some cases no longer supported by the manufacturers. The volume of passport applications had grown to the point where the system was overloaded, frequently breaking down and in danger of collapse. The Department was concerned that it was not in a position to provide the high level of service that citizens had a right to expect and that, in a worst-case scenario, it might even be unable to issue travel documents in a timely manner to applicants.

Late in 1998 the Department commissioned consultants to review the passport system. The terms of reference were to

·evaluate the current passport system and identify those aspects that should be retained and, where necessary, improved

·research what was available or being developed in the field of automated passport systems (APS) on the basis of technical factors

·report to the Department with a set of recommendations covering design, specifications and projected costs for the optimum automated system capable of interfacing with those parts of the existing system already identified for retention and/or improvement.

The main benefits of an APS foreseen at that time by the Department were

·a reduction in staffing levels

·more secure passports produced more quickly

·discontinuance of the issue of less secure handwritten passports at diplomatic missions.

Recommended Replacement System

The consultants recommended the adoption of an automated system which would provide for

·electronic data capture

·verification of entitlement to passport

·production of passports

·a workflow system to link the component parts

·administrative functions such as management reports, stock control and payments.

The report stated that no off the shelf system was available to meet all the Department's needs. Seven different options were costed and specified, based on combinations of different data capture and production technologies, in both centralised and decentralised configurations. The report recommended that the Department take advantage of new technology to produce a higher quality passport with improved security features. The cost of these solutions was estimated at between €2.84 million and €6.47 million. The report was drawn up on the assumption that passport applications would be of the order of 350,000 per annum.

The same consultants were re-engaged in 2000 to make a firm and final recommendation regarding the most appropriate technologies to choose. They were also required to develop a high-level technical architecture and implementation plan that would enable the Passport Office to rapidly move to design, build and deploy the new systems, processes and staff structure.

The consultants' report recommended a system with an estimated overall cost of €13,559,000. This cost included the purchase of hardware and software and consulting costs for design, development and deployment of the system. The report assumed that passport issues would reach 1,000,000 within 5 years and that the maximum daily issue figure would be 7,000.

Procurement of New System

In 2001 a project team was established to manage the procurement and implementation of the new APS. The tender process used was the open procedure as defined in EU Public Procurement Directives. The Department engaged a firm of business advisers to assist in drafting the request for tender (RFT) and subsequent tender evaluation. The RFT was issued in August 2001 with a closing date in October 2001. Six tenders were received. One of these was subsequently eliminated, as it did not adequately demonstrate an ability to meet the requirements set out in the RFT.

A tender evaluation committee drew up evaluation criteria and a marking system. The heaviest weighting (56%) was given to the ability to meet the functional requirements. A weighting of 2% was given to cost.

The committee short-listed three bidders for further consideration. Each was invited to make a presentation and to attend a question and answer session and subsequently to resubmit detailed costings in response to a clarification notice issued by the evaluation committee. This notice requested the three bidders to supply a fixed price quotation for all aspects of the project. The RFT had previously stated that a fixed price tender was desired. Costing clarifications were submitted, in November 2001 and in January 2002, by one of the three bidders only.

The Department met this bidder in January 2002 and in the course of the meeting sought further clarification of costs. The bidder indicated a willingness to give a fixed price for phases 1 and 2 of the project and to identify areas of phases 3 and 4 for which it would be prepared to fix a price. It was also guaranteed that the price for the remainder of the project would not vary by more than 10%.

In price terms the preferred bidder was ranked second of the three short listed and was over €7 million higher than the lowest tender but significantly cheaper than the third short listed bidder. The lowest price tender was virtually eliminated from consideration after the question and answer session held by the Department. When all evaluation criteria were taken into consideration, the preferred bidder attained a percentage of 68.1%. This was considerably higher than either of the other two short listed tenders. The preferred bidder was a consortium headed, as prime contractor, by the firm of consultants who had prepared the initial strategy plan and conceptual design.

Although there was some uncertainty about the propriety of the manner in which the clarification of costings was pursued, the Secretary General, in May 2002, approved a proposal that, notwithstanding the risks, the Department should continue with the procedure and award the contract to the chosen bidder. In December 2002 a contract was signed with the successful bidder in the sum of €21,819,000. This did not include support and maintenance costs, blank booklet costs, datapage costs or royalties. It did however include datapage redesign costs of €786,500 that were not included in the original estimated cost per the consultants' report.

In response to my enquiries regarding the weightings ascribed in the evaluation the Accounting Officer stated that the RFT was drafted in such a way as to achieve a level playing field that would give all potential bidders the same information about the Department's requirements. The scoring system used to evaluate the tenders against the award criteria was developed in consultation with the business advisers who assisted with the procurement procedure. The Evaluation Committee, with the guidance of the advisers, did not consider that the scoring system conferred any advantage on any bidder.

As regards the uncertainty surrounding the clarification of costings the Accounting Officer accepted that it would have been better to have sought legal advice before the RFT issued.

Costs

Changes in the expected costs of the project occurred in two distinct phases. The first relates to the period between the consultants' report of October 2000 and December 2002 when the contract was signed. In response to my enquiries as to how a system estimated to cost €13,559,000 in October 2000 came to cost €21,819,000 in December 2002 the Accounting Officer explained that the purpose of the October 2000 report was to update the technology evaluation undertaken in the earlier study and to develop a high level plan for a new passport system. The costs in this report were accordingly described as outline costs which would provide a general overview of the cost of developing the new system. The specification in the RFT of the functional requirements for the new system was much more detailed and it was on this basis that the different tenders were submitted. In addition, the October 2000 report did not propose the use of machines for laser perforating passport booklets as this technology was not available at the time. These machines, which considerably enhance the security of the passport booklet, cost €3.87 million.

The evolution of costs in the period October 2000 to December 2004 is set out in Table 2.

Table 2 - Non-Recurring Costs

Outline EstimateOct 2000

Estimate on Signing of Main ContractDec 2002

OutturnDec 2004

Systems costs — hardware and software and consulting costs

13,559,000

21,820,000

21,820,000

Contract Price Variation Clause

754,000

Contract Change Notes

3,576,000

Other

907,000

Legal Fees

47,000

294,000

External Project Management

58,000

423,000

Total

13,559,000

21,925,000

27,774,000

Recurring Costs

Estimated atDate of Contract

Year OneExpenditure

Estimated Future Annual Expenditure

Support and Maintenance

1,840,000

3,820,000

3,000,000

Blank Booklets, Datapages and Royalties

3,700,000

4,760,000

Total

1,840,000

7,520,000

7,760,000

In response to my enquiries the Accounting Officer gave the following explanations for the increased costs in the two years ended 31 December 2004.

Non-Recurring Costs

The contract signed provided for a variation of up to 10% on the cost of phase 2 and certain costs of phases 3 and 4 if it turned out that the contractor's understanding of the project differed from what was originally envisaged. In the course of the design of the new system in phase 1, a number of areas were identified where it was considered that the functionality of the new system could be enhanced. This required additional design and development work and testing on the part of the contractors. The Department accepted these extra costs on the basis of an assessment by the project management consultants that they were reasonable.

The contract also provided for change variation procedures that were formalised by the signing by both parties of contract change notes (CCNs). It was accepted from the beginning of the project that it was likely that additional requirements would emerge from the design phase that would give rise to extra costs. All of the CCNs were considered to be essential enhancements of the original project that were worth acquiring. In the course of the project twenty six CCNs were agreed and signed with a total cost in excess of €3.57 million. The largest of these was for approximately €1.45 million in respect of hardware and software to allow implementation of the APS in diplomatic missions abroad. Another CCN signed was to allow implementation of the APS in the London embassy and the Cork passport office.

While the original concept underlying the RFT was that passport production would be centralised in Dublin it was decided in the course of the project that, because of the volumes of applications handled by Cork and London, it would be more efficient and more reliable to install the full APS system — up to the point of passport production — in those offices. Furthermore, it was concluded that a contingency system would be required in the public offices in Dublin and Cork to provide a fallback in case of a system failure that interrupted passport production. To cover all of these situations, it was decided that the emergency passport module would be an essential requirement.

Recurring Costs

The original tender costed support and maintenance at €1.84 million per annum. However the Department is currently in the process of signing a separate contract for the provision of support and maintenance at a cost of €3.82 million in year one with an option for years two and three at a cost of €3 million. I was informed that the original proposal envisaged an arrangement whereby the Department would make the initial diagnosis of a fault, the resolution of which would then be coordinated or addressed by the contractor. The Department would have had to provide a cadre of expert staff for this purpose and this would have been difficult. The support and maintenance contract now agreed provides for a much broader set of activities and assumes no expert input by the Department in relation to the APS.

The contract also provided for the exclusive purchase of blank passport booklets and datapages from the contractor and the payment to the contractor of a royalty for each passport issued. These costs increase in line with the consumer price index as provided for in the contract. Expenditure to 31 December 2004 amounted to €3.7 million. The estimated annual total of these costs, based on a production level of 650,000 passports, is approximately €4.76 million.

Legal Fees

The Department requested tenders in January 2002 from a limited number of firms for legal services. These services were for assistance in drawing up the terms of engagement and a contract for the provision of the APS. The firm that provided the lowest quotation was engaged in February 2002 by way of an exchange of letters. This did not specify a number of days for which the advice was required. However, in correspondence the firm estimated that its total professional fees might amount to €41,000-€47,000.

In response to my enquiries as to why legal costs had risen to €294,238 the Accounting Officer stated that the quotation of €47,000 was based on a very preliminary estimate of the work involved in drawing up a draft contract. In the event it had been necessary to devote a substantial amount of additional time to an examination of the procurement procedure and the negotiation of the contract proved much more difficult and lengthy than originally envisaged. This was partly because of the size and complexity of the project and partly because the Department was dealing with a consortium consisting of a group of companies and not a single supplier. He stated that the advantage from the Department's point of view of devoting considerable resources to the drafting and negotiation of the contract was that it was able to secure more onerous warranties and obligations from the contractor in relation to the performance of the contract than were provided for in the RFT.

External Project Management

It was estimated in the RFT that a minimum of forty days assistance would be required for project management. The contract was intended to take the form of a draw down of services on a daily basis. Depending on the particular phase of the project, it was anticipated that assistance would be required one day per fortnight or three weeks over the duration of the contract. A fixed price per service day was required. The assignment was awarded following an open competition. The per diem rate varied between €480 and €1,450 depending on the particular consultant used. At the time of audit some €423,000 had been paid for these services that, at the maximum rate (€1,450), would represent some two hundred and ninety days compared to the minimum forty days envisaged in the RFT. As I was concerned by the extent of the increase in these costs I asked the Accounting Officer for an explanation.

The Accounting Officer stated that it was impossible to estimate in advance what the project management costs would be. Initially, it was assumed that one day's consultancy a fortnight would suffice. However, it became clear early on that the size and complexity of the project were such that much more extensive support was required. In addition, it became necessary to obtain specialist support for User Acceptance Testing to ensure that the system would fully meet requirements. This involved significant additional expertise being brought in as provided for in the contract and this accounted for almost three-quarters of the total costs. This was a critical stage in the project and expert input was essential to enable the Department to satisfy itself that the system, as delivered by the contractor, performed in accordance with the specifications. The Department was satisfied that there was no alternative to incurring these costs. Without this support, it would not have had the expertise to manage the contract prudently and effectively. The advice received in this context also enabled it to limit the number and cost of CCNs.

Implementation Timetable

In response to my enquiries concerning delays in meeting the anticipated delivery dates the Accounting Officer informed me that when the project began in January 2003 it was expected that it would be ready for implementation in May/June 2004. However the Department was concerned that the implementation of the new system should not impact negatively on the EU Presidency or on the operation of the Passport Office during the busy season and, accordingly, it was decided that, if the system was delivered on schedule, implementation would be deferred until after the peak season in the Passport Office i.e. until September 2004. It was also decided, in order to minimise risk, to phase the implementation by commencing the passport production facility in Balbriggan and then moving on to the passport office in Molesworth Street after an interval of a number of weeks. In the event, problems with the development and testing of the system delayed its initial implementation until the end of November 2004 in Balbriggan. Molesworth Street went live in January 2005.

Subsequent teething problems with the system led to a decision to defer the further implementation in Cork, London and the missions until the autumn of 2005, i.e. after the peak season. It is now expected that this will be implemented by the end of this year.

Cost Benefit

The realisation of staff savings was one of the Department's objectives in undertaking this project. The Evaluation Committee had also recommended that a cost/benefit analysis of the financial impact of the successful tender be carried out. I noted that this recommendation had not been implemented and asked how, in the absence of such an analysis, the Department could establish that the anticipated benefits in terms of cost savings and administrative efficiencies would be realised.

I was informed that the Department had sought a proposal for a cost/benefit analysis from the business advisers who were advising on the procurement procedure. They advised that there were many unknown quantities and that significant assumptions would be required on which to base future costings. They also noted that it would be extremely difficult to quantify, in monetary terms, the benefits of having a more secure passport booklet or to estimate the potential staff savings until the design of the new system had been defined. Taking these constraints into account, it was concluded that it would not be a useful exercise to carry out a cost/benefit analysis at that stage.

Notwithstanding this explanation as to why it was considered inopportune to undertake a cost/benefit analysis at the time of the procurement I made enquiries as to the savings made or envisaged in the level of staffing that might be attributed to the implementation of the APS and as regards the arrangements in place to monitor its performance in terms of output volumes, turnaround times and cost savings.

On the issue of staffing the Accounting Officer replied that one of the benefits foreseen in 1998 of an APS was the reduction of staffing levels by the removal of the labour intensive aspects of the old system. This has been achieved in the data entry and production stages that have been largely automated and require fewer staff to operate than the old system for the same number of passport applications. On the other hand, the constantly growing demand for passports has led to an overall increase in the number of staff, particularly in the area of entitlement checking i.e. verifying that applicants are entitled to receive a passport, an area that requires human evaluation and judgment and cannot be fully automated. In 2005 38% more passports would be issued than in 2001 when the RFT for the new system was issued and 83% more than in 1998 when the new system was first mooted. Furthermore, for risk management purposes, it was necessary to have two production centres, Balbriggan and Molesworth Street, where previously there was only one. This inevitably introduced a certain duplication of staff that reduced the potential for staff savings.

He also informed me that the new system incorporates an extensive reporting system designed to provide comprehensive management information. This will provide detailed information on output volumes, turnaround times, productivity levels, efficiencies and breakdowns of applications by age, gender and location.

Mr. John Purcell

I will concentrate on the two chapters because the Votes more or less speak for themselves. The first is chapter 10.1 which concentrates on the provision of road transport services for the Department of Foreign Affairs during the hosting of the EU Presidency in the first half of 2004. That is against the backdrop of the overall expenses incurred by the Department in connection with the meetings and events associated with the Presidency.

The Department was responsible for making arrangements for the provision of transport on behalf of the State and to that end issued a notice seeking expressions of interest on 31 October 2003 to six road transport providers with a tight deadline for response. Three proposals were received, two applicants were interviewed and within four weeks a supplier was appointed. Who said the Civil Service moved very slowly?

The quantum of the services being sought dictated that it fell under EU rules for the award of contracts. However, the Department did not place a formal notice in the EU Journal as required and rationalised its actions as being within the rules by relying on the exceptional circumstances brought about by the delay in finalising car sponsorship arrangements for the duration of the Presidency.

By taking short cuts, the Department might not have been in full compliance with EU rules and I was concerned lest there be repercussions. In this context the matter was raised with my office by the principal of another transport service provider. In fact, the same person also engaged in extensive correspondence with the committee about this and another matter relating to the use of unlicensed vehicles by the successful supplier which is in the relevant correspondence referred to. The Accounting Officer has kept the committee informed of developments in the matter over the period.

The committee will note that I was not happy about the nature of the contractual arrangements between the Department and the supplier. Bearing in mind that the value of the business contracted for was in excess of €2 million for all Departments, with nearly €1 million of that attributed to the Department itself, I felt that a formal contract should have been drawn up to ensure that the State's interests were best protected. The Accounting Officer agreed and has put in place strengthened arrangements for the procurement of chauffeur driven services for the next two years.

Chapter 10.2 records the results of an examination by my staff of the procurement of a new passport application and production system to replace the one that had been in operation since 1993. By 1998 it had become clear to the Department that it needed to move to a more efficient and secure method of processing passports and therefore a firm of consultants was engaged to help identify the options for moving to an automated passport system. Although the consultants reported in 1999, no further action was taken at that time because ear-marked funding was not available and because new international requirements on passport design and security were coming on stream. The project was reactivated in mid-2000 by engaging the consultants to update their report to take account of technological developments and the changed requirements. That report formed the basis of going to the market in 2001 for proposals to develop the new system.

While the report had estimated the cost of the proposed system at €13.5 million, the most acceptable tender received was for €21.8 million. As it happened, this tender was from a consortium headed by the consultants who had been engaged earlier in helping the Department develop its proposals. By the end of 2004, when the main system implementation had taken place, the cost of the contract had increased to €27 million. These post-tender increases were primarily due to the cost of implementing the system in Cork and London and in other diplomatic missions abroad which had not been factored into the original contract.

While on the basis of the figures in the chapter the extent of the cost escalation looks stark, in my opinion the main question to be answered is whether we got value for money. To be able to answer that question, we would need to calculate the cost of processing a passport application, including up to the issue of the booklet to the citizen and taking account of the cost of the capital investment of which I just spoke and the significant recurring charges, and then compare that unit cost with the unit cost of the same procedure in similar jurisdictions for a given service level.

I am aware that key performance indicators have been developed for the passport service as part of the management information framework in the Department and I hope these may help give us a handle on unit costs. A formal expenditure review of the automated passport system scheduled for 2007 should also clarify the position on cost effectiveness.

Returning to the way the Department went about this project, I have recorded my concern in the past about the danger from an equity and a value for money point of view of using a firm to scope projects and then engaging the same firm to carry out the development work. Such a firm will always possess the inside track when it comes to understanding functional requirements, especially when the evaluation weighting given to cost is close to zero. It can lead to a situation where a certain supplier ends up effectively having the field to himself or herself no matter what counterbalancing is attempted. I hope that the lessons learned in this case will be put to good use in future contractual management of major projects in the Department. As I have stated here on many occasions, it goes without saying that value for money is more likely to be obtained when there is real competition in the marketplace.

Mr. Gallagher will now make his opening statement.

Mr. Gallagher

I am very pleased to have this opportunity to meet the committee again and to address issues arising in the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General for 2004 and, more generally, in Votes 28 and 29 for that year.

I want to emphasise that Ireland's Presidency of the EU in 2004 presented enormous challenges for the Department in policy, organisational and logistical terms. On the personnel side, for instance, 140 extra staff were taken on for the Presidency. The year 2004 was also an active period for the peace process in Northern Ireland, both in respect of the ongoing efforts to bring paramilitarism to an end and in dealing with the emergence of the DUP as the dominant party on the Unionist side.

The service demands on the Department also continued to grow in 2004, as reflected in the increased number of passports issued — some 600,000 — and in the establishment of a dedicated unit in the Department, the Irish abroad unit, to manage a programme of growing financial support for our people overseas, especially the most vulnerable and needy. On the Vote 29 side, the budget of the development aid programme increased to €400 million in 2004.

As always, I record my appreciation to the Comptroller and Auditor General and his colleagues for their professional and helpful approach. This is fully evident in the two chapters in his 2004 report dealing with the Department of Foreign Affairs. The findings of the Comptroller and Auditor General are fair and reasonable. I accept and welcome them. We have learned a great deal from engaging with this report and, as a consequence, the Department has already implemented significant changes to its procedures.

On the transport arrangements, Chapter 10.1, the Comptroller and Auditor General addressed two specific issues in road transport services for the Presidency: first, the absence of an open, EU-wide tendering procedure for this seven month contract; and, second, the lack of a written legal contract between the selected provider and the Department.

In his report the Comptroller and Auditor General generously recognised that the Presidency posed new and demanding challenges. The logistical burden and pressures in managing the business of the EU for a six-month period, including high level visits to Ireland by representatives of 28 present or aspiring member states, as against the previous 15, were huge. In addition to the ten new member states coming, there were also Bulgaria, Romania and Turkey, and we were effectively dealing with 28 as against 15. Many of our officials literally worked 18 hours a day, seven days a week for six months to ensure that, once again, Ireland punched above its weight on the European stage. We had been preparing actively for the Presidency for the previous three years. It is universally accepted that, as on the five previous occasions — I happened to be involved on the five previous occasions, although I will not on the next occasion — the Presidency was very successful and the Department took great pride in its role. However, nothing is perfect and there is no performance that cannot be improved upon. There were certain lapses.

The complexity of the negotiated car sponsorship arrangements, for instance, meant that we simply ran out of time to conduct an open, EU-wide procurement procedure. The conclusion was reached in late 2003 that we had to invoke the urgency procurement procedure if the transport arrangements were to be in place before the Presidency commenced on 1 January 2004. If these had not been in place, the situation would have been hugely embarrassing for the country, but a key lesson has been learned. If sponsorship arrangements are being considered for a future Presidency, the Department simply has to conclude discussions with potential sponsors well in advance of the Presidency so that sufficient time is left to run the appropriate procurement process.

On the second issue, I fully accept that an exchange of letters between the service provider and the Department was not the best or most satisfactory arrangement. While the judgment was that the request for tender and the acceptance of the tender constituted an adequate basis for a contractual agreement, I fully accept that a formal written contract should have been concluded. The lesson being implemented is that all significant contractual arrangements must be subject to a formal written agreement and that the necessary legal advice and guidance must be obtained.

In chapter 10.2, the Comptroller and Auditor General deals with the automated passport system, APS, project. He focuses on two specific issues: the procurement process and the escalation in costs. We had no option but to go ahead with this project. By 2000, the old passport system was on its last legs, unable to cope with the ever increasing demand for passports and unsuitable to meet the enhanced security requirements for international travel. We have a new state-of-the-art passport system which is successfully meeting all these requirements. The APS project has fully delivered. According to the US authorities, our passport is "a superb book with extensive security advantages". We are seen as being among the leaders in the field.

My daughter who works in a bank in London and who travels widely was one of the first with the new passport because she had used up her old passport. When she flew into New York from London, the immigration officer took her aside and called his colleagues to have a look at it because they had not seen the like of it. We are among the leaders in the field. In addition, it is the platform upon which the next phase of passport development is being built — the introduction of a biometric feature later this year.

Two aspects of the procurement process for the APS were raised by the Comptroller and Auditor General. The first was the inclusion of the consultancy firm which provided early advice on the need for a new passport system in the subsequent procurement procedure. The second was the propriety of seeking clarification of costs during the evaluation process. With regard to the first issue, the Department had not informed the relevant consultancy company at the outset that its provision of advice on the new system would preclude that company from tendering at the implementation stage. In those circumstances, it was the considered view of the Department that the exclusion of that company at the tendering stage could have exposed the Department to legal challenge, but I am satisfied the procurement process followed represented a level playing field for all bidders and that each company was treated equally in a fair competition.

The second question related to our seeking clarification of costs and being open to legal challenge as a result, which is a very fair point. The Department took legal advice from various sources on the issue. The conclusion we reached was that any infringement caused by the requested clarification was technical in nature and that the risk of successful challenge was very small. I had to take a risk on this but I thought the risk was minimal, especially compared with the danger of the whole passport system breaking down if further delays took place. There was also a risk that the cancellation of the procurement process, and the beginning of a new one, might have led to legal challenge and even further delays. Accordingly, we proceeded with the project and awarded the contract to the bidder who, of the two regarded as being technically acceptable, was demonstrably the cheaper. However, I completely accept that the issue might have been avoided altogether if the Department had taken legal advice prior to drawing up the request for tender document. This lesson has been learned and is being acted on.

As for the increase in costs, the point of departure for measuring any escalation should be the predicted cost determined by the market based on the detailed request for tender. The Comptroller and Auditor General has set that out clearly. The difference between €21.925 million on the signing of the contract in 2002 and the outturn cost of €27.774 million in December 2004 is what most critically needs to be accounted for. More than €3.5 million of this differential was accounted for by the agreed inclusion of a range of additional items which were not included in the original contract but which the Department subsequently asked the contractors to provide. As a result, we obtained a more enhanced and better quality product than originally ordered and it cost us less than would have been the case had the project additions been subject to a new procurement procedure.

Both in the case of the transport arrangements for the EU Presidency and the APS project, the Department has learned valuable lessons about procurement and contract management. Most importantly, these lessons have been translated into new procedures. A dedicated procurement unit has been established in the Department to ensure compliance with national and EU rules and to promote best practice. In co-operation with the Department of Finance, the unit is also preparing a corporate procurement plan for the Department. The Department's legal adviser has established structured working arrangements with the Chief State Solicitor on contracts involving the Department. Senior management actively and on an ongoing basis reviews procurement and contract management issues. This is done at meetings of a recently established financial and budgetary control committee, which I chair and which meets fortnightly. In addition, all senior managers are undergoing training in procurement procedures.

In a perceptive and challenging speech which he delivered in November 2004 entitled Pursuing Accountability and Value for Money in the Public Service, the Chairman pointed out that the committee "in its work and by its nature focuses on the mistakes/exceptions to good performance made, with a view to ensuring that lessons are learned for the future and improvements made to systems to avoid errors recurring". I have tried to model our response to the issues raised on these guiding principles.

Looking to the future, the achievement of the UN target of 0.7% of gross national product will see a period of exceptional growth in Ireland's development aid budget in the years to 2012. The enormous challenges and opportunities this presents will be addressed in a White Paper on development aid to be published later this year. The disbursement of these increased resources will be guided by two major and related concerns: the need to continue to deliver a top class aid programme and the requirement to ensure proper public accountability for the substantial moneys being spent.

The Department is further enhancing its professional capacity in the area of evaluation and audit to meet these challenges. This issue was raised by the committee last year and helpful suggestions were made. Additional staff resources, with an accountancy background, are being assigned to the Department's evaluation and audit unit. In addition, the Department's audit committee, comprising four independent members, is a strong source of advice and guidance and an ongoing challenge to us to continue to up our performance. The concurrent decentralisation of the Department's development co-operation directorate to Limerick and the major increase in the overseas development aid budget clearly present challenges. We are determined to address them successfully and to continue to manage and implement an aid programme of which all of us can be proud.

Moving on from 2004 and building on the success of that year, the Department has, in its recent activities, been engaged in managing expanded funding and support for the Irish abroad in meeting the significant increase in demand for our consular services and, on the policy front, working to build on progress in Anglo-Irish and North-South relations, as well as maintaining an active and concerned involvement across a range of EU and wider foreign policy issues.

I will endeavour to answer the questions the Chairman and members of the committee put to me. My colleagues are also here to assist as necessary and in any manner which the committee sees fit.

I thank Mr. Gallagher. May we publish his statement?

Mr. Gallagher

Absolutely.

On the automated passport system, there was a two-year gap of inaction between 1998 and 2000 when the consultants were first appointed. What was the reason for the delay?

Mr. Gallagher

As I understand it, there were two consultancy reports. There was an initial consultancy report which set out the options that might be available to put in place a new passport system. I was not in the Department at the time but I understand that the money to take a project forward was not available and the options were not pursued. However, the consultants were asked to refine their report and come up with a more detailed proposal which could be considered and which it was hoped would form the basis for the tender document.

Were they the same consultants?

Mr. Gallagher

The first consultants, KPMG, did the report and were then asked to do a more detailed one. They came back with a second report which put a figure of approximately €13 million on the project.

Was there a tendering procedure for the process in 2000?

Mr. Gallagher

I am not aware of it.

Is it normal practice to have no tendering procedure?

Mr. Gallagher

It would depend on the budget of the consultancy.

They were just appointed and given direction. Could Mr. Gallagher explain in more detail what happens?

Mr. Gallagher

I was not there at the time.

The officials may answer directly if that would help procedures.

Mr. Gallagher

Under new EU regulations, if a consultancy budget were in excess of a certain amount, one would go to procurement. However, I do not think they were in place at the time.

Mr. Adrian O’Neill

The nature and depth of the procurement process as it currently applies depends on the value of the consultancy. Obviously if it is above a certain threshold, one must go through a complete EU-wide process. If it is below a certain threshold, it does not have to be as rigorous. One can advertise the project nationally. At the time, perhaps there was no procurement process in regard to KPMG because it was prior to the conclusion of the current guidelines from the Department of Finance which date back to 1999. These guidelines set out the processes, procedure and thresholds that apply to engaging consultants. This is now followed rigorously in the Department. The reason there was no procurement process for KPMG originally was that it arose before the Department of Finance guidelines in 1999.

Was any other company given an opportunity to tender? I am not clear on what happened. How are companies chosen?

Mr. Gallagher

The company did the consultancy and produced a report. Then there were detailed negotiations with business advisers, Farrell Grant Sparks, who advised us on the detail of the RFT. This was uncharted territory because not many countries had introduced a new passport system on this scale. The situation was complicated by the events of 11 September 2001.

We then went to tender and six companies applied for the contract. It was decided that three of the companies were not up to the job and three were interviewed. A multi-departmental evaluation team, including our business advisers, decided that one of the three companies was not up to the job. Therefore, it came down to two companies. The company which won the contract, BearingPoint, included the consultancy company that originally drew up the document and six other companies. It required seven companies to put the process together because it was so complicated. Its bid was substantially cheaper. In the end, given all the increases, it was significantly cheaper than that of the other company that was technically able to do the job, whose bid came to approximately €34 million. It is not something one could take off the shelf. It was horrendously complicated. Putting together the RFT involved enormous work.

Perhaps I can give one example. The British tried to introduce a similar system and it went horribly wrong, so much so that a special report was drawn up. They were effectively closed down for six weeks. There were huge queues and they had to give authority to post offices to extend existing passports by two years. The breakdown in the system cost an additional €18 million. It was horrendously complex because it was uncharted territory. There was not just one consultancy company involved. There were six other partners, some of whom were international partners. A key partner was a company called SDU from Finland.

Mr. Martin Rouine

To answer one aspect of the question which relates to the original consultancy job, what Mr. O'Neill said is pertinent in terms of the evolution of standard procedures for public procurement of consultancy. However, one must also bear in mind that the original consultancy job was a very small-scale operation. It began with a high level review of what was necessary to improve the position of the Passport Office. It delivered a number of key possibilities without going into significant detail. This concurrence of a comparatively small-scale consultancy and the not yet fully evolved procurement procedures for consultancy will probably deal with some of the issues raised.

Mr. Purcell

I hope I will not muddy the waters. I think I will be able to clarify the response and add a little more information for Deputy Hayes. The original contract was drawn up in July 1998 and tenders were sought from four consulting firms. Two of those did not reply and one said it did not have the resources to do it. Therefore it fell to KPMG, which was commissioned to do it. The value of the work was approximately £60,000. In 2000, when an update of the original report was sought, it made sense to return to KPMG to carry out the update. Perhaps that clarifies the situation.

I will move on to the issue of business advisers. Who appointed them, or where did they come from? Did they come from the Department?

Mr. Gallagher

I apologise but I was not in the Department at the time. Mr. Rouine will know. Farrell Grant Sparks was the business adviser.

Mr. Rouine

The contract was awarded to Farrell Grant Sparks after a recruitment procedure. It was to bring the process to the point where it could be presented as a fair competition and was given the job to develop a request for a tender document. The object of the exercise was that all companies available or capable of doing the work — in this context a small number — would be on a level playing field in terms of availability of information on the current system and the requirements for the new one. Farrell Grant Sparks was recruited to develop the request for tender document and to assist the Department in the evaluation of the bids presented.

Was there any connection between Farrell Grant Sparks and the original people?

Mr. Rouine

There was not, nor could there be. Otherwise there would have been a conflict.

Was there any connection with the people who acquired the contract afterwards?

Mr. Gallagher

No. There were three different groups involved, as well as the multi-layered or multidisciplinary group that evaluated the tender. BearingPoint put together a consortium of seven people, Farrell Grant Sparks was our business adviser, we had legal advisers and we also had experts who tested it or acted as user-testers. It was not just the company which tested the new system and said it was perfect. We had our own people test it and ensure it delivered what our customers expected from it. We must remember that as we were going to introduce a new system, we wanted to introduce it in a way that had no impact on our existing customers and where the existing system would continue to work. As we did not want to run into the problems that occurred in Britain or Switzerland, we introduced a system without any impact on our existing customers.

Is BearingPoint the consulting arm of KPMG?

Mr. Gallagher

BearingPoint constituted a group of seven and acts as an arm of KPMG.

In his opening statement Mr. Gallagher mentioned the appointment of legal advisers. Am I correct in my understanding that their appointment was a little late?

Mr. Gallagher

No. I apologise. That was about the clarification of costs. After the tender process opened we had a meeting — I was not directly involved — to clarify costs with the bidders. Apparently, that could be taken to mean that one was interfering with the tendering process, thereby leaving one legally vulnerable. We sought advice on that and when at the end it landed on my desk, I was told the risk was minimal. I decided to go ahead because I thought the implications of not doing so would be serious and there would have been a significant delay. I also felt that if there were a challenge, most courts would operate on a commonsense basis and see any breach as a technical one. There was no question of reopening anything. I was told by those involved that the issue was just one of clarifying costs. As matters turned out, I was right. Sometimes the public service can be too risk averse, but there is a time when one must, in the wider interest, bite the bullet.

Part of the overall plan was to save money and costs. Were there savings as a result of implementing the new procedure? It was expected to result in fewer staff. What were the savings?

Mr. Gallagher

The Deputy is correct that it was part of our thinking at the time and I will come back to it. The real reason for the new procedure was that the system was on its last legs and about to collapse. For example, between April and August are the busy months for passports and in those months of the year we introduced the new system; there had been an increase in demand of 20%. The system was creaking. The company that had brought in the old system had gone out of business and we had only one old engineer who knew the system. It was breaking down frequently.

When I took up office in 2001, I decided that I would not stand over passport queues or have Irish people embarrassed abroad or at home. We should remember that this was after 11 September 2001. The system in the passport office at the time was that the signature was taped in and the photograph laminated. This was no longer satisfactory for a visa waiver from the US. Visa waivers were an important concession negotiated by me from Washington with the help of Deputy Deasy. Last year approximately 500,000 visits were made to the US under the visa waiver scheme, which saved a significant amount for those people. The cost of a visa is approximately $100. The real reason, therefore, for changing the system was that we had no choice. It had to be done.

The Deputy is right, however, that we thought the new system would involve a staff saving. It has in one sense, in that the production stage is almost fully automated and fewer staff are required in that regard. We can do the work with ten staff whereas it would have required 50 staff under the old system to produce the volume of passports being produced. We also save on staff in another area, but I cannot recall the saving immediately.

On the other hand, there has been an increase in staff, not a very significant increase, in the area of entitlement checking, namely, verifying that applicants are entitled to receive a passport. This is something to which I attach major importance because of the significant fraud in this area. Such verification requires human evaluation and judgment and cannot be automated.

Thanks to the new system, the overall level of increase in staff has been lower than the increased level of demand in the past and certainly lower than the current increased demand for passport services. In 2005, for example, we issued 45% more passports than in 2001 when the new RFT was issued. Also in 2005, we issued 91% more passports than in 1998 — seven years previously — when the new system was first mooted. These figures give a sense of the requirement. The level of increase in staff numbers over the same period was much more modest.

The estimated costs increased from €13.5 million to €21.8 million which is roughly 60%. Is the Secretary General satisfied with that figure? What is the point in estimating figures if the Department ends up spending 60% more than the estimate?

Mr. Gallagher

That is a very fair point. The figure of €13.5 million was no more that an estimate made by one consultancy firm and the only way of testing it was to go to the market. There was no "off the shelf" system and this was uncharted territory. When we got together with the business advisers and drew up the document for tender, it was a significantly different document from the consultants' report. It was clear from the consultants' report that there was an emerging technology called laser perforation.

We have brought a set of passports for everyone, which I can show at the end of the meeting. The photograph is perforated into the passport. Therefore, the outline or shape of the person is perforated in the passport. The passport number is also perforated into the passport. The experts tell me it is perforated in what is termed a conical way rather than just holes punched. Therefore, it is much more difficult to tamper with it. As the Americans said, we have one of the most secure passports in the world. That new technology was not available at the time of the consultants' report and that, for instance, accounted for €3.5 million.

If one moves from €21.9 million to €27 million, we got what was in the contract. We were not charged a penny more from it. What we did was to ask for 26 additional elements to be added to the passport as we went along because we were advised by our experts that these would enhance and strengthen the passport. The contract price, at €21 million, was still the same but we saw the opportunity for having a better passport. We could have opened a new procurement process but that would have been off the wall because it would entail new people coming in and opening up our systems and codes and it would have cost much more.

Because of 9/11 we also decided we needed a new emergency passport that would meet US requirements and that our embassy could issue. In other words, if an Irish person lost his or her passport while abroad and wanted to go to the United States, he or she should not be forced to wait for a passport to be issued in Dublin. We wanted to have the capacity both in Dublin and abroad to issue an emergency passport in 20 minutes.

The Department receives many letters about the passport service. A good friend of mine called Matt Dempsey from the Irish Farmers’ Journal wrote to me yesterday. His daughter had a problem. He did not approach me and rang the Department as an ordinary person. His letter to me states:

Dear Dermot,

On Good Friday morning, our daughter, Claire, rang from Rome to say she had lost her passport. At 8.30 a.m. I rang Foreign Affairs and was told the duty officer would ring back in a few moments. She did in about three minutes. She had absolutely clear guidelines and advice on what Claire should do to get onto the 11.45 a.m. plane. Everything went precisely as she had forecast and Claire got the flight back with no problem.

Really a great example of what a Joe Soap member of the public can expect from Foreign Affairs.

Thanks.

He had telephoned as an ordinary citizen and not as a friend of mine or anyone else and this was the first I heard about it.

It is uncharted territory. We did not realise that post-9/11 and the change in security it would be very important to have that facility abroad.

I suppose he did not put complimentary invitations to Punchestown in with that letter?

Mr. Gallagher

I think he knows I get to work at 7 a.m. I got to Lansdowne Road last Sunday and the Chairman will be pleased to know I was shouting for the team in red. There was a civil war in our house because our son was wearing a Leinster jersey but as a Connacht man the passion and the pride of Munster made the difference to me.

I was wondering what Mr. Gallagher's daughter who is working in the bank in England would think of that increase in the number of millions of euro?

Mr. Gallagher

Which numbers?

The increase from €13.5 million up to €21.8 million.

Mr. Gallagher

It is a very fair question but the figure of €13 million was the judgment from a consultancy company at the time. The request for tender was a horrendously more detailed document which brought in laser perforating, which, as the Americans say, makes us one of the leaders in the field. It is one of the most enhanced security passports in the world, which means it is next to impossible to tamper with.

The consultant had originally thought it would be located in just one place but it is dangerous to only have it in one place. We also have a backup to Balbriggan in Molesworth Street. It was uncharted territory and the only way it can be judged is on the tender. The tender was €21 million. The only other firm, Consortium Confident, tendered at €34 million.

The cost increase from €21.9 million to €27.7 million was because of the 26 additional enhancements. The process consisted of four phases, with the first phase to do with specification, design and planning. This was refined as it progressed and it is not an "off the shelf" solution. I know of no IT project that has not cost extra. It should be regarded not as going up from €21 million to €27 million but as being enhanced. All those 26 things can be explained and justified and we have something of which we can all be proud at the end. It is not a bad achievement.

I welcome Mr. Gallagher and his officials to the meeting. Will the delegation explain what the 26 enhancements are? I do not need full details but rather a flavour.

Mr. O’Neill

I will describe one aspect which has been mentioned by the Secretary General. The change made was to add some additional functions into the system to allow automated emergency passports to be written. This was something which was decided after the contract had been concluded and this required additional hardware and software. They were two significant elements and the changes noted related to those two elements. The combined total of those two gave us the facility to issue emergency passports to allow people to travel to the United States because the old handwritten passports would not be permitted after 9/11. The cost of those two elements alone was more than €1 million.

Mr. Gallagher

I will add another example. Our biggest passport offices are in Cork and London. It was envisaged that their applications would just come back and everything would be centralised and done in Dublin. It became obvious this did not make sense. London and Cork now process passports up to the stage where they are put into the machines in Balbriggan and they are returned the next day. We operate a 24-hour turnaround for London and Cork. Instead of sending it in at an early stage they bring it right up to the production stage. Because the service is now offered in approximately 60 post offices in Northern Ireland, the software needed to be changed for that. We took advantage of that. There was a political decision at the time. The SDLP, for instance, felt very strongly that people from the North should not need to come across the Border to Dundalk or wherever to use the postal passport system, whereby we guarantee completion within ten days. They wanted that to apply in Northern Ireland. It seems only fair to our citizens there. That involved a change of software to make it compatible with the Northern Ireland post office system.

Could the ten-day return process for people in Northern Ireland not work under the old manual system?

Mr. Gallagher

The Chairman might remember an old system we had whereby people could send their photographs to Kerry. There were two envelopes and you got them back. A colleague of mine who was with me in Washington thought that would be a great system. I remember writing to Mr. Dick Spring, who thought it made eminent sense and he went to the post office and delivered it. It is a great system and approximately 70% of passport applications come in in that way. There is a ten-day guarantee, which is not always easy to meet during the summer months, but we do. It also saves us a many problems with cash.

And queues.

Mr. Gallagher

I feel very strongly about queues. I was there in the early 1970s when the passport system broke down and I felt it was a disgrace. If I am associated with one thing in the Department of Foreign Affairs, it is with not having queues.

I am very pleased to hear this. While the €21 million for the original contract was adhered to, the Department improved the service, for which I give it credit. Some of the developments, including passports for people in Northern Ireland and being able to issue passports directly through the London and Cork offices, give better customer service. The top paragraph of the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General refers to recurring costs for support and maintenance. It states: "The estimated annual total of these costs, based on a production level of 650,000 passports, is approximately €4.76 million". That appears to be an average. The support and maintenance contract works out at approximately €8 per passport. What it the price of a passport?

Mr. Gallagher

The cost is €75. It is about mid way in the European——

Does that allow for all costs?

Mr. Gallagher

For someone over 65 — it will be a long time before anybody here apart from myself will reach that age — it has been free since last August.

That represents approximately 10% of the overall figure. Approximately how many passports are issued per annum?

Mr. Gallagher

Last year it was approximately 670,000.

What was the figure for 2004, the year we are reviewing?

Mr. Gallagher

In 2004 it was approximately 600,000. In 2005 it was approximately 670,000.

What is the income generated from issuing passports?

Mr. Gallagher

I know the income in 2004 was approximately €15 million.

No. I see from the Appropriation Accounts——

Mr. Gallagher

I am sorry, it was €30 million in 2004.

In the Appropriation Accounts I see the figure of more than €30 million, which also includes consular services.

Mr. Gallagher

In 2004 it was €30 million.

Therefore, the revenue generated was approximately €30 million.

Mr. Gallagher

Last year it may have been approximately €39 million.

What is the ballpark cost of running the Passport Office operations?

Mr. Gallagher

The ballpark cost would be €10 million, say. It would not include the rent which comes under the OPW. It is a revenue-raiser now.

I have studied all the documents we got. I hope the Comptroller and Auditor General does not mind my saying this. The report contains no figures of how many passports are issued each year. The figure of 650,000 was mentioned, going up to 1 million during the course of the contract. There are no figures in the report of the cost of the passport. There are no figures regarding the free passports. There are no figures on the revenue generated by, or the costs of, the passport service. We have been in the dark regarding the overall picture of the operation of the passport office, which is the subject matter of the chapter, and I wanted to tease out those matters. Mr. Gallagher is telling me that the passport operation turns a substantial profit.

Mr. Gallagher

That is true.

Even as a Government Deputy, I can say there is no good case for further increases and possibly there should be a reduction. What it the approximate price for students and youngsters?

Mr. Gallagher

From zero to three it is €15 for a——

Mr. Rouine

From zero to three it is €15. Effectively it works out at approximately €5 per year of service. For the first three years it is €15. Children from three to 18 can have a five-year passport for €25.

Are most of the 600,000 to 700,000 passports issued ten-year passports?

Mr. Gallagher

They are all ten-year passports. It is a long time since we issued them for five years and renewed them for five years. They are ten-year passports. Obviously the three-year passports for children from zero to three and the five-year passports for children from three to 18 are issued because people change and after the age of three they may be able to write. Therefore, it is a ten-year passport. There is——

What percentage of the population, in Mr. Gallagher's estimation, has a passport?

Mr. Gallagher

I would say huge numbers. Up to three or four years ago, children could be put on their parents passports. That process has ended because it is not acceptable in many countries. That resulted in a huge increase. It is interesting: I was on the bus the other day and I was sitting beside an elderly woman who spoke about getting a passport and I was able to help. I said: "Are you going abroad?" She said: "No, but I am always asked for identification now." I believe many people who may not travel at all are using it for identification purposes.

We are all familiar with the Minister who could not fly from Munster to Dublin without his passport recently.

Mr. Gallagher

Even going into a bank, people are asked for identification. One passport per person has led to an increase.

It has increased the numbers.

Mr. Gallagher

The population is increasing and many people are having holidays. In the old days it was possible to travel to Britain without a passport. I do not think people would be comfortable doing it now. One cannot do it with Ryanair.

When was the last price increase?

Mr. Gallagher

The last increase was approximately two years ago. Before that——

From what price did it increase?

Mr. Gallagher

It went from approximately €52 to €75. It had not gone up for approximately 15 years. While it is not my decision, I do not see it going up again. We obviously increased the price because of the APS project and because the Government wished it to be self-financing. In October — the project is under way — we will introduce a new biometric passport. I have a copy of one here. The price of the passport will not be increased to take account of that change. My best guess is that it will not be increased for a significant period ahead and that would be my advice.

Mr. Gallagher has touched on something and it is the first time I have heard it mentioned today. The €27 million that was invested and the recurring cost of €5 million have not just been self-financing, but have also resulted in a substantial surplus and profit. Having listened to what has been said thus far, I would have thought this was all money down the drain, the procedures were wrong, money was lost and costs increased. However, we are now beginning to hear that the price and the revenue increased, and that it is a profitable exercise. We have already estimated the maintenance costs as just €8 per annum. All of this has led to a substantial increase in revenue for the passport office and the Department. I had no sense of that until we started to tease this out. I do not mean any disrespect to the Comptroller and Auditor General when I say that I did not get a full picture from his opening statement. Members of the Oireachtas often have a tendency go down a tunnel in pursuit of one aspect of an issue. In this instance, we are focussing on one aspect of the passport office without a proper overall examination of that office. The picture painted by Mr. Gallagher is substantially different to the picture I would have had if I had concentrated or focussed narrowly on one aspect of this matter, even if that aspect is very important. Mr. Gallagher has acknowledged the lessons learned by the passport office. I wanted to tease that out.

I ask Mr. Gallagher to speak about the supply of blank passport books. What are the Department's arrangements with the company that pre-prints the books? This issue is mentioned in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. What are the arrangements for the supply of the blank passport books on which people's details are subsequently printed?

Mr. Gallagher

I return for a moment to what the Deputy said. The advantage of meeting like this is that I can be asked questions of that nature. I found the Comptroller and Auditor General's report particularly helpful and valuable. As I said last year, I may be good at policy advice and development, networking and issues like that, but I am not naturally comfortable with this area. It is important that I get down to it and that is why I instituted fortnightly meetings. They are of particular value and I have found the Comptroller and Auditor General's report exceptionally helpful to me. On the question of support and maintenance, the Department has an open procurement system this year.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report refers to the purchase of blank passport books. I presume that support and maintenance relates to IT support and maintenance of hardware.

Mr. Gallagher

Yes.

The Department made the reasonable decision not to tie up its staff in doing a job that could be contracted out.

Mr. Gallagher

They would not have the expertise. There are two shifts in Balbriggan, for example. If machines break down at 8 p.m., someone has to be there to work on them.

Yes. There is a contract.

Mr. Gallagher

The Department now has a fall-back system. Additional scanning machines were needed because we did not want such machines to be blocked, etc. The Deputy also asked about the cost of blank booklets, which are provided by a company called De La Rue.

Yes. It is a well-known company.

Mr. Gallagher

The data page is provided by a company called SDU. When the system came into being, BearingPoint acted as the Department's conduit with the companies I have mentioned. Now that the system is up and running and we are comfortable with it, we deal directly with the companies. The contract under which BearingPoint managed the Department's activities in respect of blank passport booklets, etc., has come to an end. The Department is now dealing directly with De La Rue in respect of blank passports and with SDU in respect of the data page.

For how long does the contract last?

Mr. Gallagher

It has come to an end. The Department is in the process of directly negotiating new contracts with De La Rue, for the blank passports, and with SDU in Finland, for the laser perforation on the data page.

Is that new contract not being put out to tender?

Mr. Gallagher

No.

It is obvious we are talking about big money.

Mr. Gallagher

I am not sure we are talking about big money. The data page is——

For a start——

Mr. Gallagher

No one else would have it.

A contract for the production of 700,000 books per annum is a serious contract.

Mr. Gallagher

It is, but no one else would have the data page. It is a licensed patent, if one likes. Nobody else has this specialised technology.

I understand that. I have been with Mr. Gallagher on everything to this point.

Mr. Gallagher

It is fair that the Deputy should ask.

I have listened to what Mr. Gallagher has said. Some 700,000 books are produced per annum. Therefore, 3 million or 4 million books will be produced over the next five years. I presume the Department is entering into a contract on that basis. The first part of Mr. Gallagher's presentation was all about lessons in competitive tendering. However, he now seems to be saying that the Department is entering into an exclusive arrangement with its existing supplier without going through a tendering process. The current supplier might well win the tender, but in what sense have lessons been learned if the Department is not going to initiate a tender process in this case?

Mr. Rouine

I would like to try to clarify some of the issues.

Mr. Rouine

An essential element in where we are at present is that we have invested a great deal of money in the passport system. The heavy technology in this area is heavily reliant on the consumables we use. I am sorry for referring to a passport as a consumable, but that is what it is, in effect.

Mr. Rouine

The technology behind the data page itself is very specific. It is not available in that format anywhere else, as far as we are aware. The second key component is that when we were making the choice of where we wanted to be in this contract, we were conscious of the emerging need to deal with biometrics and to handle the biometric chip in a secure fashion. The data page is designed so that it can house the chip and the antennae that go with it. This is a level of technology that is patented by its suppliers. Unless we want to knock down the entire house of cards for the delivery of the data page and the biometric chip, we are committed, in effect, to going with the current suppliers. We are currently in the process of negotiating a contract with the companies that were the original members of the consortium. SDU was the member of the consortium that delivered the data page and De La Rue was the member of the consortium that delivered the assembled book. We are in the process of negotiating a new contract with both of these companies, to take account specifically of the changes necessary to meet the biometrics requirements. The key component in our negotiations with the companies is the need to build in our right and entitlement to cancel that contract as we see fit. We want to ensure that if circumstances change — as a result of commercial developments or international events — we can cancel the contract with some notice and move on to another platform of negotiations. A key element of such a move would be that the new system would have to correspond with and conform to the minimum requirements in the current data page. If we do not make sure of that, our investment and effort of recent years will have been for nothing.

If I understand Mr. Rouine correctly, he is telling me that SDU and De La Rue have the patent on the production of Irish passports.

Mr. Rouine

No, not quite.

Mr. Rouine

SDU——

It has the patent on the technology.

Mr. Rouine

——and a company called IAI have patented the technology.

What country are those companies from?

Mr. Rouine

Both companies are Dutch.

Do we know anything about the owners of the companies?

Mr. Rouine

We are talking about a licence agreement to produce or use patented technology.

They have developed the patented technology. They are the sole suppliers. They have the patent. We cannot actually take that patent or technology from someone else. We would have to start from scratch. They have us over a barrel in these negotiations.

Mr. Rouine

The Deputy is looking at it from the wrong end of the equation. We made a decision——

I am trying to be fair to all sides. I have been very fair to the Department, but I have a problem with this.

Mr. Rouine

I understand the Deputy's point. It is important to bear in mind that we made a decision in the context of a public procurement arrangement that we would go down a particular route to meet our production and security requirements. We are familiar with the companies in question, which are based in the EU. We know their performance and their background. We made a commercial decision on where we would go in terms of what we wanted in the passport. There is no equivalent in this country.

Will Mr. Rouine send to the committee, perhaps through the secretariat, further details on the two companies involved, De La Rue and SDU, including information on their owners and whether they provide similar services for other governments? I am concerned that a company which could be bought on the Stock Exchange tomorrow morning owns the patent rights for the entire chip technology used in Irish passports. De La Rue, as the company providing printing services, would be easier to deal with than SDU in such circumstances.

Mr. Purcell

To return to Deputy Fleming's earlier comments, the scope of what we did was on the procurement of the new system. I stated in my opening remarks that a job needs to be done on calculating the unit costs of producing passports, using some comparisons. I also mentioned that a formal expenditure review will be carried out next year. I was trying to indicate what might be included in the review. Perhaps I am missing something but it may be a large jump to state that automating the passport system generated a substantial increase in the revenue due to the State.

The price increased.

On the European Union Presidency, Mr. Gallagher referred to the five previous occasions on which Ireland held this honour. Will he provide the committee with comparative costs for the run-in period to the Presidency and its actual costs over the six-month period for the previous five Presidencies? I ask that the figures be index-linked to 2004 prices and converted into euro to allow members to determine whether costs are increasing.

On the chapter on the passport system, Mr. Gallagher referred to the introduction of biometric features in the next year. This measure has been taken at the behest of the Government of the United States. What will be the unit costs per passport of biometric features? Has work been done on determining these costs?

Mr. Gallagher

The estimate for the project includes a figure of €8 million for biometric features. I hope, however, that we will be able to introduce these features at a significantly lower cost.

Will the €8 million be a recurring annual cost?

Mr. Gallagher

No, the chip has already been introduced and is being tested internationally. It is barely noticeable and must be held up to light to be seen. While I do not like to make unfavourable comparisons with the British, the antennae and chip used in Britain are clearly visible, whereas one can barely make out a spot when one holds the chip used here up to light.

Work on inserting the chip in passport documents is well advanced but further work is being done on activating the chip.

Mr. Gallagher

Yes, that comes back to the quality of the passport, including the data page. I wish others had the technology available to us. While the Deputy's point is fair, the company to which he referred has the technology. It is a comfortable company with which to deal directly. The Dutch Government which it supplies is held in the highest regard. The arrangement is kosher. Who knows what will happen as the technology advances? We have planned the project in such a way that if one feature of it becomes obsolete, it can be replaced. Technology is changing and I hope we will be involved for a significant period ahead.

The witness may not be aware of the committee's experience of Dutch companies and their patents, especially in the area of electronic voting.

Mr. Gallagher

As an expatriate Meath man living in Meath, I am one of the few to have used the voting machines.

I wish to ask about the link between the Departments of Foreign Affairs and Justice, Equality and Law Reform, particularly in the area of citizenship. What data are available on the number of Irish citizens who hold passports? How many Irish passport holders are resident in the State and how many are resident abroad? Surely it is vital to know the number of Irish citizens.

I am also interested in other areas of co-operation between the Departments, for example, on recommendations the Department of Foreign Affairs issues on countries citizens should not visit, and the discrepancy between people being asked by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform to leave the State to return to countries which the Department of Foreign Affairs has described as politically unstable. There appears to be a lack of joined-up thinking between the Departments on citizenship, passports and incoming and outbound travel.

Mr. Gallagher

I have a good, close working relationship with officials of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and have always found then extremely helpful on all issues. Approximately 90% of passports are issued to people in Ireland. The difficulty with the old system was that it did not produce good statistics. Although we are currently up to our ears with biometrics, we are getting a steadily improving flow from the new system, which will be able to provide the statistical basis sought by the Deputy. The old system provided very little information.

On visiting and travel advice, the Department does not really consult the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. We recently updated our advice on travel to Egypt, as we do on a regular basis. We do this through our missions and working with travel agents, with whom we talk on a regular basis. We also work with countries in which we do not have missions and discuss matters, for example, with the British, French and Scandinavians, in particular, as we have an instinctive affinity with them. Travel advice would be drawn up in consultation with them and we would not discuss it with the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, which is responsible for domestic matters. If the Department sought advice from us on the political situation in a particular country, we would provide our best assessment of it and the vulnerability of citizens.

Are no data available on the number of Irish citizens holding Irish passports who live abroad?

Mr. Gallagher

Such data are available.

What is the figure?

Mr. Gallagher

I may need to ask Mr. O'Neill, as I am not certain of it. It is a refinement of the data. I had in mind the number of citizens who hold a passport because they were born in Ireland, had an Irish grandparent and so forth.

I discern a gap in the data because some Irish citizens resident here do not hold passports and, likewise, some Irish citizens living abroad to not hold passports. It seems no one takes account of the circumstances in which Irish people find themselves either here or abroad. People living abroad who are entitled to Irish citizenship and do not hold an Irish passport are a distinct group. This appears to be the reason between the breakdown between citizenship and——

Mr. Gallagher

I do not understand. Those who can show they are Irish citizens are entitled to an Irish passport and the Passport Office will go to great lengths to give them one. The Irish consulates in New York and Boston, for instance, are full of people. Nearly 40 years ago passports were not given to people who held the passport of another country. That practice ceased in the 1970s and dual citizenship has become perfectly acceptable.

It has more to do with demographics than anything else. The Department would not come into play unless one had——

Mr. Gallagher

We try to have honorary consuls in countries where we do not have an embassy or consulate and we will facilitate people with passports.

Citizenship was granted in the past under the passports for investment scheme. There is currently a notorious case where a former Czech citizen is under arrest. Would someone maintain his Irish passport and citizenship in such circumstances? How can a passport be revoked?

Mr. Gallagher

That is complex legal territory but normally a person does not lose his Irish citizenship unless he writes formally to the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and asks for it to be revoked. The Minister does not even have to agree. I do not know the legal circumstances of any particular case but a person who has Irish citizenship has particular rights and it would be difficult to remove them. We always try to be helpful.

Mr. O’Neill

To avoid giving the impression that we have no statistics, we keep figures on the issuing of passports, which are broken down between passports issued in Dublin, Cork, London and other missions. The Secretary General mentioned that 680,000 passports were issued in 2005 and 438,000 of those were issued in Dublin, 55,000 in London and 50,000 in other missions abroad.

Many of those were issued as a result of the change to the grandparent rule, with people claiming citizenship at the last minute, particularly in the United States.

Moving on to development aid, if the millennium development goal were fulfilled in 2007, what would the cost be in next year's budget? The Department has supplied figures for 2012 but what if we allocate the increase between 2007 and 2010?

In the 2004 accounts there was an underspend and a return to the Exchequer of €3 million. That is less than 1% of the total budget but given the nature of the work being done it is disturbing to see money being returned at all.

There have been name changes in the development co-operation division of the Department in recent years. Could figures be supplied on the cost of each name change in terms of logos and stationery?

Mr. Gallagher

To be €3 million out from a budget of €400 million was not significant. The quality of the programme and its reaching those who count are the important things. We have developed a good relationship with the Department of Finance and now have a commitment in terms of dates. I guessed last year when Deputy Boyle raised the issue that we would be talking about 2012 and we are. All of us are proud of that. This is significant money — by 2012 we will be spending €1.6 billion. The annual increase will be around €120 million until 2012. We are currently at €500 million.

There have been three name changes, Irish Aid being the latest. I can see why it was decided to change from Development Cooperation Ireland — it is about co-operation, but that did not convey what we are doing. The man in street might think Development Cooperation Ireland is a company; Irish Aid has greater meaning.

Mr. Brendan Rogers

The cost of the name change was around €12,000. We can provide those figures for the committee and give the figures for reaching the 0.7% of GDP by 2007.

On the €3 million, we are working in many missions across the world and we must be careful we do not cross the line. Coming up to €3 million out of an expenditure of €400 million is quite tight. To deliver those funds in more than 35 countries without overspending is quite good.

This is one of the few expenditure categories where people would be happy to see an overspend.

Mr. Gallagher

The committee would not be too happy.

I notice that of the money given to international organisations in 2004, there was an accrual of up to €5 million, an indication that money was either delayed or that a conscious decision was made not to pay affiliation fees to some international organisation. What happened there? What organisations were affected by these accruals?

Mr. Gallagher

We can give that information in writing. I am not aware of any payments we deliberately did not make.

It is quite a large proportion of the overall expenditure under that heading.

Mr. O’Neill

This may have more to do with the timing of payments. In some cases we pay a contribution to an international organisation for a period that comes after the date of payment and, therefore, there is an accrual value. It is a technical accounting categorisation. The Comptroller and Auditor General might be able to help us on that.

Mr. Purcell

It is a pre-payment because the contributions are sought by some of these organisations for 2006, for example, before the end of 2005. It is not an accrual.

We paid €5 million in advance, while underpaying €3 million in development aid.

Mr. O’Neill

We pride ourselves for paying our UN contributions on time and for trying to help these international organisations that are often in straitened circumstances. When we get invoices for these contributions, even though they may refer to a time in the future, we try to pay as soon as possible to be as helpful as possible.

Going back to the EU Presidency, whose idea was the sponsorship of Ireland's Presidency of the EU by private companies and corporations?

Mr. Gallagher

It was certainly not mine. I was sceptical and may have been the last person to be convinced of it. We inherited it from the previous Presidencies. The Greek and Italian Presidencies did it, as did the Danes, for whom I have great regard, immediately before us. It was becoming part of the pattern. I was strongly advised that this could result in significant savings for the State and that we should not let the opportunity pass. It was also an opportunity to showcase products but the emphasis was on savings. I agreed but said I wanted to talk to the Danes about it.

Our Danish colleagues could not discuss it until the end of their Presidency when they were helpful. They advised us, for instance, to take nothing in cash, but focus on goods and services and make it clear that this had no implications for future work or contracts. We tried to do that but it was a more complex exercise, particularly in respect of cars, than anyone had anticipated.

Luxembourg and Austria have continued the practice but neither the Dutch nor the British used it. By the time our Presidency came around it was part of the furniture. I was the last to be convinced.

I know the Danes have been advising us for 1,000 years or more but this is one piece of advice I would have ignored. It is demeaning that the Irish State should have logos of private corporations wrapped around its functions of State. Will it end in the Minister for Foreign Affairs wearing a strip bearing the logo of a multinational corporation? It gives rise to a conflict of interest. Were some of those employed by the State in providing transport services also sponsors of the EU Presidency?

Mr. Gallagher

The Danes told us it was an opportunity for Irish business, particularly in the trade, catering and tourism areas, to show what it does best. Bord Bia sponsored meals for European Council meetings, Kerrygold was involved and Tipperary Water, which has a social conscience, as we know from its link with Concern, made its water available. We did not go to individual companies but to IBEC, the Chambers of Commerce, the Irish Tourist Confederation and the Irish Hotels Federation and the Society of the Irish Motor Industry. It was probably worth doing.

I will not be there for the next Presidency but will convey a view on this practice. Some of the companies providing services came back to us through the umbrella organisations and offered to provide some limited sponsorship.

Was there any relationship between companies providing sponsorship and being awarded contracts?

Mr. Gallagher

No. The big ones were Audi, which provided 35 A8 cars, including some armoured cars which we needed. The company was helpful but most difficult because while it would allow us to drive cars from the hotel to the meeting place, it carried them in transporters otherwise and kept them in garages. That contract took a long time to negotiate. Audi also provided 30 six-seater cars. The other big sponsor was in the ICT area. Those two contracts accounted for most of the €3.5 million saved.

The Deputy's point is fair. I raised the same point at the time and I was the last to be convinced.

As my time is short, I will move on. Did any of the security costs of the EU Presidency fall on the Department of Foreign Affairs? For example, on 1 May 2004 Dublin resembled a police state, to which many of us objected strongly. The security was over the top. Did that come from the Departments of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, and Defence?

Do we need all these high-tech limousines rushing through the streets of Dublin making ordinary citizens feel as if they are the snails in the traffic queues? If we want to give a real taste of Ireland to some of these dignitaries, the best thing might be to take them out to Blanchardstown, where I live, and let them find their way into the city centre at rush hour. That would give them a sense of the Irish people's problems.

Mr. Gallagher

The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform had its own Presidency Vote. Where security is concerned we have to be guided by the experts. Our role was, as in all previous Presidencies, to support the Taoiseach, the Ministers and leaders of the Opposition parties in any way we could, to show that this country can do the job better than anybody else. Before Christmas, in an article in The Irish Times, the leader of the Labour Party spoke about excellence at home and abroad. Our achievements in the Presidency, which included the policy and logistical issues, were excellent. The Comptroller and Auditor General’s report conveys a sense of that.

We cannot second guess people on security.

This committee has seen extensive correspondence between Mr. Gallagher and a chauffeur-drive concern based in Dublin West. I have received correspondence from the company but do not know it or represent it, except in a general way. Have those issues been resolved to the satisfaction of the complainant?

The complainant felt that the tendering process, which I do not wish to cover again, militated against his company. Was any form of restitution offered to alleviate the perceived grievance?

Mr. Gallagher

The tendering process was fair and correct and included a representative of the Garda Síochána. The person who complained had other concerns about the use of cars. I have met that person who is an honourable and decent man, in the fullest rural meaning of that word. Throughout my career I have insisted that the Department has absolute respect for this House and its Members and that any citizen coming in who has his or her innate dignity is treated with respect, courtesy and appreciation. We do that as a Department, whether at home or abroad.

Large State institutions sometimes can be rather unfeeling. On occasion there will be a lapse when it may be done in an unfeeling or bureaucratic way. When I became aware of this I invited the person in to talk to me. I have had several telephone conversations and discussions with the individual. I think we have a good relationship. Three weeks ago I wrote to him to invite him for another chat and cup of tea. Bureaucracy must have a human face. If I have brought anything to the Department of Foreign Affairs, I hope it is that.

Obviously Mr. Gallagher's experience in diplomacy counts.

Mr. Gallagher

Many people in the Department of Foreign Affairs and ambassadors coming back from abroad used to use chauffeur driven cars. I stopped that. I do not use a chauffeur driven car. The only time I was forced to do so was when I was travelling extensively to the North. There was a threat to my life, meaning I could not travel by train, drive myself or stay in a hotel.

Nowadays, I do not use a chauffeur driven car. If I am attending a ceremony in Áras an Uachtaráin, I drive myself or use the bus. My instinct would not be for the large but for the small company. Last year I informed the committee that there would be a new system and I hoped a panel would be established. We are now about to finalise the contract. The contract goes into enormous detail and it has been an exhaustive process. However, it was well worth it and is a template for the future. We will have five companies in place. Maybe in future there will be more.

When Mr. Gallagher told of his daughter presenting her new passport in New York and being taken aside, I expected him to continue that she was frog-marched across the tarmac and put back on the aeroplane. Happily that was not the situation.

Mr. Gallagher

I think she might have her father's diplomatic skills.

Any passport which would fascinate the US homeland security gang would have me a little worried. Have the details of the biometric information required been settled? Will there be further demands, necessitating further information and newer chips? Will we be required to amputate our little finger to prove to the US authorities who we really are? Where will it end?

Mr. Gallagher

I cannot anticipate the way international thinking and regulations will go. As far as Ireland is concerned, it has been made clear that it is the facial feature that will be included. Who knows what will be the international requirements in coming years and how we will respond to that? I could not anticipate developments.

It has been a subject of controversy that the people, through the Government, award considerable amounts of international aid to countries with savage regimes and dubious civil rights records. How does the Department oversee the channelling of development aid funds? Do funds go directly to projects in the aid countries rather than into government agency coffers regarding which there are suspicions of corruption? In Ethiopia, for example, more journalists are in prison than in any other country, yet we channel considerable aid to the country. How does the Department resolve this difficulty?

I note an allocation of aid for Brazil. What kind of project is involved in this? Does the Department support advocacy groups in Brazil? I am in regular contact with an advocacy group for Indians thrown off the land in the state of Matto Grosso do Sul. Does the Department support advocacy groups with grants to assist them in facilitating the likes of the Indian community, marginalised and dispossessed and trying to fight to get their land back?

Mr. Gallagher

In Brazil we work exclusively through Trócaire and we would be guided by it. If part of its projects were along those lines, we would assess the project sympathetically. Our assistance to Brazil is exclusively through Trócaire. It does not use volunteers from Ireland but indigenous people for its projects there.

In Brazil there are conflicts between Roman Catholic-based charities and others. Would the Department look independently if a submission were made by a group not involved with the Roman Catholic Church but still doing good work?

Mr. Gallagher

Yes. We have a dedicated support system programme for our missionaries. I lived in Nigeria for two and a half years. I knew missionaries there who did outstanding work in health and education provision and supporting people in general in some of the most difficult conditions. The Department would consider any application it received sympathetically. We have no hang-ups or negative positions in this regard.

In Ethiopia, we do not give budget support. Budget support goes in the country's general budget. It can be an important development tool but it is discretionary. We do not have control over its going into the budget. We know, however, where it goes and we can follow it and ensure it is spent.

Our priority is to get our aid to the poorest of the poor. That is why we have not pulled out of certain countries such as Uganda and Ethiopia. We have been advised by the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and our peers that our support is getting to the poorest of the poor. If it did not, it would be discriminating and impacting on the poor and it is they who would suffer. This is the fundamental priority of the international aid programme. We may do it better in some countries than in others but we have a well-deserved international reputation and we do not tie our aid to Irish companies.

Will Mr. Gallagher brief the committee on the progress being made in the transfer of the development co-operation directorate to Limerick under the decentralisation programme?

Mr. Gallagher

The building in Limerick will be available in June 2007. I have confirmed this with the Office of Public Works. It is a self-contained unit, with 124 posts envisaged finally. Because of increased staff it may and probably will be bigger. Uniquely, because of the importance attached to aid, we have two assistant secretaries running the unit. The director general, Ronan Murphy, is keen to go to Limerick. He has wide experience in the aid area and has also been an adviser in that area to the former President, Ms Mary Robinson. He returned from his post as ambassador to Austria about two years ago to lead and drive the programme.

In a matter of a month or two we will probably have 44% of the staff in place who will be going to Limerick. Aid is a complex area and we are trying to put as many of the staff in place as quickly as possible. I expect that by the summer we will have some 44%, perhaps more, of the staff in place ready to go. By late autumn of this year I would like to see almost everyone in place in order that we can move the full team.

The single difficult area is that of development specialists. They are members of IMPACT and are in negotiation with the Department of Finance. That is a difficult area. I understand we currently have five out of 24 development specialists ready to go. As they have been recruited since the announcement of decentralisation it was part of their contract. A few others had applied to move, then withdrew their applications, as is their right. I think we are in a good position. We are also looking at the risks involved but we intend to put in place very good ICT facilities in order that people at their desks in Dublin will be able not only to talk to people at desks in Limerick but to see them. I intend to be hands-on and to travel to Limerick a lot, because this is such an important area.

A final dimension is that so much of our aid programme is managed by our people on the ground in the missions. In Ethiopia, for instance, we have a senior specialist and two development specialists, as well as technical and specialist staff available to the head of the mission there.

Challenges will arise and there are particular challenges at a time when the amount of money available to the programme is increasing by about €120 million annually. Like any Government decision, we are determined to implement it. If I may say so, I also happen to think we are going to a lovely place.

We all agree with that. Of the existing staff, how many have applied to be transferred?

Mr. Gallagher

Currently, 29 posts are being filled by people moving. A further 25 posts will be filled in the coming months, 13 by staff from the Department of Foreign Affairs. There are many staff members currently abroad who wish to decentralise. It is quite interesting and encouraging that people who would not be expected to wish to decentralise, who are serving abroad, are interested. We had one person in Ramallah in Gaza who wanted to go to Limerick.

We could do with his experience.

Mr. Gallagher

I did not mean it in that context. Our present ambassador in Hungary is very interested in moving. There are many attractions.

I would like Mr. Gallagher to give me the numbers. How many of the existing 124 people are willing to transfer to Limerick? How many applicants are there from within the Department of Foreign Affairs in addition to that figure and, in addition to that, how many applicants are there elsewhere in the Civil Service? What is the shortfall?

Mr. Gallagher

The real shortfall is the 24 specialists, of whom only five are prepared to go. Otherwise we are six over our number.

From where are they coming?

Mr. Gallagher

They are coming from all over. Mr. Gervin, for example, whom I introduced and who joined some months ago, came from the Department of Defence. There are 29 posts at present there. Of the 24 which we filled before the summer, 13 are from the Department of Foreign Affairs and the others are from all over, from every Department. The next person coming in is from the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

I have always felt that the building was crucial, and we will bring the staff down to see it. Once we had the building, people had a real sense this would happen, and there was a momentum there. As we move forward, I believe we will attract more people from within the Department of Foreign Affairs. We are interviewing people because not everyone might be suitable.

What is the date for the introduction of the biometric passports?

Mr. Gallagher

The date is 26 October.

Will there be a process of conversion of existing passports or will biometric passports be issued only for new applications?

Mr. Gallagher

In terms of the American visa waiver, up to 26 October any passport issued for ten years will still be usable for that purpose. Only passports issued after 26 October will need to be biometric. If I issued the Chairman a passport on 1 October, it would have full ten-year validity.

People could travel to the United States on such a passport without a visa.

Mr. Gallagher

Yes, they would have a visa waiver. The Americans know we will not have a problem but they said jokingly that, as we have a lead-in in issuing biometric passports, they would stop the clocks for us for a week or so if we encountered a problem, but that will not arise.

Will diplomatic passports be compiled on the same basis?

Mr. Gallagher

Yes.

Thank you.

Mr. Purcell

To give some context to the earlier remarks, the reality does not always come through because very often I am pointing to deficiencies or shortcomings. Undoubtedly, in terms of the EU Presidency, what I said in the report must be seen in the context of what was a very successful Presidency. I know from my contacts abroad that this is acknowledged. It is only fair this should be put on the record if it is not already clear in the relevant chapter.

As Deputy Fleming noted, we have a very good level of passport service, usually issuing passports within ten days, and so on, and that is something to be proud of. The system had to be changed. The question of cost benefit analysis did not come into play, and I do not make a big issue of that in the chapter.

However, with regard to contracts generally, in the case instanced, a particular firm acted absolutely up front — no problem there. One does, however, lock oneself in to a particular firm and that is not always good from a value for money or equity point of view. I am not sure, but I imagine that part of the reason for there not being a good response to the initial scoping exercise might have been that firms did not want to disqualify themselves from the big business later. I saw certain references which would suggest that, but they cannot be substantiated.

There is also the possibility that the two other tenderers involved saw the writing on the wall when it came to the main contract, and perhaps that is why they did not put back in their costings. It takes time and money, and they felt that their investing in it would not be worthwhile. That must be borne in mind, since it is how real life works in the private sector.

Under the new EU rules, there are ways to accommodate the kind of situation in which the Department found itself. There is a competitive dialogue into which one can enter. Across the water in the UK, there is the concept of partnering — finding partners for development. One must clearly put all one's cards on the table at the outset, research different options, have competitive dialogues with various suppliers, and see what they offer. One will be with them for the long haul, but it can reduce the risk and provide value for money.

There are provisions in the EU rules to act in that manner and perhaps it might be considered. We have not taken this route but have a very good product. We must determine whether we achieved good value for money, something that the expenditure review initiative may establish. We have a good product and level of service, but did we get that at the best possible price, which is what we should strive for?

That is all that I wish to say. I hope that I have provided some context to my earlier comments.

May we note Votes 28 and 29? Agreed. May we dispose of chapters 10.1 and 10.2? Agreed.

I remind members that we launch our sixth interim report at 3 p.m. There being no other business, the agenda for the meeting of Thursday, 4 May 2006 is a discussion in public session of the minute of the Minister for Finance in response to the committee's annual report for 2001.

The witnesses withdrew.

The committee adjourned at 1.55 p.m. until 11 a.m. on Thursday, 4 May 2006.

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