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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Friday, 13 Jun 1924

Vol. 7 No. 24

COMMITTEE ON FINANCE. - NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.

In to-day's "Irish Independent" the principal news item is one headed "Changes in the Army." I should say before I enter on a general statement that some days ago— within the last fortnight—the Executive Council demobilised some fourteen officers. Six officers were from the medical service and five from the legal branch. That completes any demobilisation which is in contemplation or has been in contemplation for the last two or three months. The heading in to-day's "Independent" covers what purports to be the general scope of a scheme of Army reorganisation, and it states that between 200 and 300 officers at present serving are marked out for demobilisation and further, that a large number of the recently demobilised and retired officers have been approached within the past few weeks, with a view to their returning to the Army.

It is very well known, I think, that what contributed very largely to what has been generally described as the Army crisis was due to the large demobilisation of officers which took place on the 7th March last. Therefore, this article which appeared this morning in the "Irish Independent" would naturally shake public confidence and disturb the stability which I think will be admitted has gradually and daily become more emphasised since the 7th March last. A statement to the effect that such a large number of officers was about to be demobilised should have a very bad effect upon the officer establishment in the Army and generally upon opinion throughout the country. It would, in consequence, affect our credit, damp to a very large measure any business enthusiasm that there might be in the country and cause very great feeling of unrest and dissatisfaction and injure discipline itself within the Army. If we were to term this particular journalistic experiment as an indiscretion it would be, I think, a very mild method of affixing a name to it, and it is aggravated by the fact that the statement is wholly and absolutely untrue, without a scintilla of foundation and must have appeared as such to any responsible management, if there be such, in connection with that particular journal. There are to be no further demobilisations from the Army and every officer now serving is or will be placed in a command corps or service. The statement that the demobilised or retired officers have been approached with a view to their returning is also untrue and in itself, I think, every member of the Dáil will agree, it is a disturbing element in this connection. It puts, as it were, into contrast the claims of men—I make no statement upon the claims—who were demobilised and the claims of men at present serving in the Army. I think a journal such as this, the "Irish Independent," should realise its responsibility and position in the State and should publish any statement that it does about the Army with very particular reference to what are the actual facts of the case.

The Army is young and it does not admit of any such experiment being made of it by journalistic experimenters. It will also be admitted, I think, by every member of the Dáil that trifling such as that is just as serious, if not more serious than the recent irregular experiment that we have had for the last two years in this country. Despite this particular journalistic experiment on the part of the "Independent" the discipline of the Army is quite sound. The G.O.C. Commanding the Forces was in touch with me this morning and he indicates that the publication of such a statement as this is dangerous, but that the discipline of the Army is so sound that even such a publication will not undermine that discipline. He reports that discipline is maintained at a high standard but scare headlines in the Press such as this must ultimately react upon the best interests of the State. I think, and he agrees with me, that it would affect the discipline of an Army with a tradition of centuries behind it. These particular scare headlines and scare articles of scaremongers are most unfair to officers who have rendered such good service—officers in important positions in the Army—and they are most unfair to the entire Army of the State. The G.O.C. assures me that the State can be informed that the Army is sound and that any crisis can only occur from outside sources in regard to the Army. The reorganisation scheme will be placed before the Dáil, as I have stated, and I can only say in conclusion that it is some satisfaction to us to know that there is only one journal in this country which would stoop to such demoralising practices as the "Independent" has stooped to this morning.

Is the President in a position to deny the statement to the effect that Major-General Prout will leave the Army shortly?

No; he is one of the officers whom I have mentioned who have been demobilised by the Executive Council within the last fortnight.

I think that is a very regrettable matter. Major-General Prout has been made the butt of an attack by a none too sober and none too industrious section here in the country and it is a most disconcerting matter that an officer of Major-General Prout's record and service during the last 18 months or two years finds himself now demobilised. I hope it is not a quailing on the part of the Army authorities or the Executive Council to wrong influences on the one hand, or on the other, that it is not the beginning of the new policy that disclosed itself in the Army Inquiry of "after the Army Council, the General Officers Commanding."

I would like to ask the President in view of the statement he has made, what efforts he has made in his position as Minister for Defence and President to ascertain where the information came from. There is, in spite of the definite denial, some truth in what is published to-day as far as my knowledge goes. But somebody is giving information, and is giving it deliberately, and the Independent people enlarge somewhat from their imagination on the information they get. This is not the first time. On another occasion I asked and implored some of the people in power at the time to try to make a special effort, and to spend a good deal of money, if necessary, to get at the bottom of this and find out who was responsible for giving some information putting these people in a position to enlarge on it and draw from their imaginations. It should be possible to find out who gave that information. There are people going round deliberately spreading this for ulterior motives. The same thing applies to the report with regard to a Coalition. It should not be too hard for the President and the Executive Council to find out this, particularly considering the Secret Service staff they have at their disposal now, who would be much better employed looking after these things than in following me and my Party.

As far as I am concerned, I can assure the Deputy that I have no knowledge of any Secret Service people following the Deputy or his Party, and that there is no such activity on the part of the Government to my knowledge or to the knowledge of the Executive Council.

I would like to remind the President that this is not the first thing that he admitted to me during the last week that he had no knowledge of, while it was an absolute fact. He does not know, with all due respect to him, what is going on in the Army.

In the light of the demobilisation of such an officer as Major-General Prout, and other things that we have had recently, it is not very clear why there should be this insistence on journalistic indiscretions.

I am prepared to give the Dáil the names of the other officers who have been demobilised, which will appear in Iris Oifigiúil. The number is fourteen. None of these is political—political in the sense that the Executive Council have recommended it. They have been put to the Executive Council from the Army Authorities, and in that I imagine there has been no departure from what is the rule in any country that I have known or heard of, that such recommendations should come from the Army Authorities.

General MULCAHY rose—

We cannot have a discussion on the matter now. If the President is prepared to supply the names and to give time for a discussion we could have it then. Time was taken to hear a statement from the President, but we cannot have a debate without some notice.

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