I propose to take the Education Estimates up to 7 o'clock, and then to take Deputy Baxter's motion. I propose to give Deputy Dr. Hennessy an opportunity to-morrow in connection with the Bill which he has introduced.
ORDER OF BUSINESS.
When will the Civil Service Regulation (Amendment) Bill be taken?
I intend to take it to-day.
Would the President say what time he will give to-morrow to consider the motion standing in my name?
I propose to allow time to-morrow after questions to deal with the Deputy's motion.
Pursuant to Standing Order 16, and in order to deal with Deputy Baxter's motion, I move that the Dáil sit later than 8.30.
The suggestion is that the Civil Service Regulation Bill be taken first; then the Education Estimates; that the Order for the Shop Hours (Amendment) Bill be discharged, the Bill to be taken to-morrow, and that Deputy Baxter's motion be taken at 7 o'clock in Private Members' time. Deputy Connor Hogan now moves:—
"That the Dáil sit later than 8.30 and that the motion for the adjournment be taken not later than 10.30 for the consideration of Deputy Baxter's motion."
I oppose the motion.
Question put. The Dáil divided. Tá, 23; Níl, 47.
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Earnán Altún.John J. Cole.Séamus Eabhróid.Seán de Faoite.Connor Hogan.Séamus Mac Cosgair.Tomás Mac Eoin.Pádraig Mac Fhlannchadha.Risteárd MacLiam.Patrick J. Mulvany.Tomás de Nógla.Ailfrid O Broin. |
Aodh O Cúlacháin.Liam O Daimhín.Eamon O Dubhghaill.Míchéal O Dubhghaill.Seán O Duinnín.Donnchadh O Guaire.Mícheál O hIfearnáin.Domhnall O Mocháin.Domhnall O Muirgheasa.Tadhg O Murchadha.Nicholas Wall. |
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Richard H. Beamish.Earnán de Blaghd.Thomas Belger.Seoirse de Bhulbh.Próinsias Bulfin.Séamus de Burca.Bryan R. Cooper.Louis J. D'Alton.Máighréad Ní Choileain BeanUí Dhrisceóil.Michael Egan.John Good.Thomas Hennessy.John Hennigan.Patrick Leonard.Seosamh Mac a' Bhrighde.Donnchadh Mac Con Uladh.Liam Mac Cosgair.Maolmhuire Mac Eochadha.Pádraig Mac Fadáin.Risteárd Mac Fheorais.Patrick McGilligan.Eoin Mac Néill.Seoirse Mac Niocaill. |
Liam Mac Sioghaird.Pádraig Mag Ualghairg.Martin M. Nally.John T. Nolan.Peadar O hAodha.Mícheál O hAonghusa.Seán O Bruadair.Risteárd O Conaill.Parthalán O Conchubhair.Conchubhar O Conghaile.Máirtín O Conalláin.Eoghan O Dochartaigh.Séamus O Dóláin.Peadar O Dubhghaill.Seán O Laidhin.Aindriú O Láimhín.Séamus O Leadáin.Pádraig O hOgáin (Gaillimh).Máirtín O Rodaigh.Seán O Súilleabháin.Andrew O'Shaughnessy.Míchéal O Tighearnaigh.Caoimhghín O hUigín.Seán Príomhdhall. |
Tellers:—Tá: Deputies C. Hogan and Vaughan. Níl: Deputies Dolan and Tierney.
Motion declared lost.
In Private Members' time, at 7 o'clock, a motion will be made, with the consent of the Deputies in charge of the Shop Hours (Amendment) Bill, to discharge the Order and fix it for another day. Deputy Baxter's motion will be taken then.
Will it be possible to have the Shop Hours (Amendment) Bill considered early to-morrow, or will Deputy Dr. Hennessy or whoever is interested in the Bill be placed in the same position to-morrow as to-day and be told that the Bill could not be considered? If the Bill cannot be considered until a late hour to-morrow night, it would be absolutely useless to take it at all to-morrow.
On a point of order, can we have some advice from the Chair as to the position of Private Bills of this kind taking precedence of motions that may or may not be disposed of in this evening's discussion? Private Bills, I understand, are taken on Private Members' days. If it is proposed to take a Private Bill on other than a Private Members' day, will it have precedence over a motion of a Private Member which is under consideration by the Dáil?
If it would not suit the convenience of the House to take the Shop Hours Bill at an early hour to-morrow, I would prefer to have it postponed until this day week, so that it may be taken early.
As to the point of order, Private Members' business comes on as a matter of right on Wednesday and Fridays at certain hours. The President, or a Minister, may move that specified Ministerial business shall not be interrupted for the consideration of Private Members' business, or in default of making a motion under Standing Order 74 arrangements may be made with the Private Member who has the business on the Order Paper.
With regard to the position of a Bill as against a motion, there are two motions on the Order Paper to-day, one by Deputy Baxter and the other by Deputy Roddy. The Bill, The Shop Hours (Drapery Trades, Dublin and Districts) (Amendment) Bill, 1925, has been introduced and has been ordered for consideration to-day, and that being an order of the Dáil, the Bill to-day would take precedence in the ordinary way of either of the motions. Neither the Bill nor Deputy Baxter nor Deputy Roddy's motions would have any standing to-morrow (Thursday) on the Order Paper except with the consent of the President, who can, if he chooses, put these matters on the Order Paper in any place he likes, as on Thursday he has the regulation of the Order Paper. If the Deputy consents, and if the President is agreeable, either of these can be put on the Order Paper to-morrow in a place fixed by the President, otherwise the motion would be adjourned until Friday or some other day when Private Members' business can be taken. As regards to-day, the Bill takes precedence, and, as to to-morrow, if the Bill appears on the Order Paper, it will be taken with the consent of the President in Ministerial time.
Does that mean that the Government is taking the time of private members? This Bill was to be discussed to-day as well as the two motions. The Government has refused to take this Bill to-day, and if it gives permission to take it to-morrow I want to find out from the President whether he will take it early to-morrow with a view to disposing of it.
If the Bill is ordered by the House to be considered to-day, has the President or the Deputy who is moving the Bill a right to postpone it without the consent of the House?
I think that Standing Order No. 74 gives a Minister power to move that specified Ministerial business shall not be interrupted if under consideration at the time of taking up motions or Bills moved by Private Teachtai. The President has a right to move and take a vote that certain business will not be interrupted in favour of Bills or motions of Private Members. In that case the Bill would come on automatically on Friday, which is the next day upon which there is time fixed for taking Private Members' business. Instead of taking a motion an endeavour is being made to make an arrangement between the Deputy in charge of the Bill and the President. Deputy Morrissey is right that the Dáil would have to make an Order at 7 o'clock to postpone the Bill until to-morrow.
If it would suit the convenience of Deputy Baxter, I suggest that his motion should come on, and I would afford time to-morrow for the consideration of the Bill. I would also undertake that in the event of Deputy Baxter's motion not being disposed of this evening, it will be taken to-morrow. I have previously given an undertaking to Deputy McCullough that his motion will take priority to-morrow, and will be first under consideration. Having disposed of that, it is my intention, if it suits the convenience of Deputy Dr. Hennessy, to take the Shop Hours Bill also to-morrow, and, if time permitted, to allow the consideration of the adjourned motion by Deputy Baxter. Deputy Connor Hogan did not ask for time to-morrow, and yesterday he refused the Government what he asked for himself to-day.
Would the President be agreeable to postpone the consideration of the Shop Hours Bill until this day week, as it would suit my personal convenience?
Certainly.
Is that a guarantee that the Bill will be considered this day week? There might be something else before this day week.
Order No. 3 is discharged and will be taken this day week.