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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 26 Feb 1931

Vol. 37 No. 6

Vote 71—Repayments to Contingency Fund.

I move:

"Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £2,026 chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1931, chun Roimhíocanna Ilghnéitheacha áirithe d'aisíoc leis an gCoiste Teangmhais.

That a sum not exceeding £2,026 be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1931, for the Repayment to the Contingency Fund of certain Miscellaneous Advances."

As Deputies are aware, the biggest item, £1,630 odd, really represents a book-keeping transaction—the amount paid to the revenue on account of public departments. With regard to the sum of £279 2s. 5d., the position was that Mr. Barrington was in Geneva on Saorstát business when he became ill and died. The medical and nursing expenses, and the expense of transferring the remains to Dublin, were borne by the Exchequer. The recoupment to the unemployment insurance fund of benefit received arose in this way. An insured person was prosecuted for obtaining by misrepresentation certain benefits to which he was not entitled, amounting to £5 8s. 4d. The defendant was convicted and sentenced to a term of imprisonment, the imprisonment not to take effect if the amount were repaid. It was paid to the District Court clerk, who, by a mistake, treated it as a fine and transferred the money to the District Court clerk's fund. That account had been wound up and the money found its way to the Exchequer. The only way in which the money could be made good to the unemployment insurance fund was by paying it out of the contingency fund. It was necessary to do that, because otherwise the person who had been ordered to pay this would not be entitled to benefit until the money was repaid to the unemployment insurance fund. In connection with the item of £1 14s. 6d., certain processes in connection with sugar beet were assigned to the Minister for Industry and Commerce. He thought it wise to accept the assignment, and the amount shown here is in connection with the stamp duty. The final sum deals with the case of a juror who, after trial, was subject to a good deal of persecution and annoyance. He suffered substantially in his business as a result of that persecution.

I would like to know if any consideration has been paid by the State in respect of the De Vecchis process for the desiccation of sugar beet?

It has been given gratuitously?

Do you think it likely to be worth the stamp duty?

It is probably worth that anyway.

There is a note: "Issues additional to the above which have been made from the Contingency Fund will be repaid from the appropriate Votes." What other issues have there been than those in Vote 68?

I could not answer that at the moment. It should appear on the foot of any Supplementary Estimate.

I would like to know, if other issues had been made, how the Minister would justify the use of the Contingency Fund in that way. It would seem to me that these payments, if they are to be repaid to the Fund by other Votes, are either in respect of services already provided in the Vote, or else they must be new and novel services. That should be, I think, specifically set forth here in the Estimate.

This form of Estimate is the common form.

The note is not common.

It will appear in the Supplementary Estimate under which the money is taken, as in the case of the management of Government Stocks. There is also an account in the Contingency Fund in which all these things appear, and that is audited in the ordinary way.

I was not here for the discussion on Vote 68, unfortunately. There is a reference to it in the footnote.

I think the Deputy would require more than a footnote to deal with it now.

We are entitled to discuss the whole Contingency Fund.

The Deputy is entitled to discuss Vote 71 now, but not Vote 68.

If you, sir, will notice, the note refers to the Contingency Fund and certain sums. I would like to know why it was necessary, in respect of services already provided in Vote 68, to make payments out of the Contingency Fund.

To pay the money promptly.

Surely the Minister was able to calculate what that service would cost?

No. I explained the reasons why it was not possible to do so.

I am not objecting to the item of £100 provided in this Vote, but I would be glad to have some further explanation from the Minister as to the circumstances under which it was agreed to pay compensation, especially in view of the fact that up to the present the Government had not agreed to the payment of compensation for consequential losses arising out of other matters in which citizens of the State were involved. It appears to have been a very small business when it only justified the payment of £100, whether a partial or a total loss. I would like the Minister to give some explanation of that.

If the Deputy is curious I am prepared to give him full information privately. I do not think it is desirable to give any further information in the House. The position is that a person served on a jury in a case in which there was a conviction, and a campaign was worked up in connection with the whole jury. He was subjected to persecution of various sorts and, undoubtedly, that caused him losses. We thought at the time, in view of the peculiar circumstances, and as an attack was being made then on the jury system, that it was only fair some compensation should be given him.

Is this the first case in which the Government have sanctioned payment for consequential losses?

That is a very big question, and I could not answer it now. It would need a good deal of searching of the records to answer it.

I think it is.

Could the Minister tell the House why this person was singled out of twelve and paid compensation?

This person seems to have suffered loss. There was a case where a man was wounded and payment made previously.

Vote agreed to.
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