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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 1 Jul 1931

Vol. 39 No. 10

In Committee on Finance. - Vote No. 9—Commissions and Special Inquiries.

I move:—

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £6,844 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1932, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí eile Coimisiún, Coistí agus Fiosrúchán Speisialta.

That a sum not exceeding £6,884 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1932, for the Salaries and other Expenses of Commissions, Committees, and Special Inquiries.

I note that sub-head A of this Vote proposes to provide £7,384 for the Central Savings Committee. This is an increase of £155 over the provision which was made last year. While I do not propose to criticise it I am not sure that the State is getting full value for the money which is being expended. At the same time, I do say that a Committee of this sort could fulfil a very useful function in endeavouring to create habits of thrift among our people. I am not sure, however, that the amount of money that it is proposed to allocate to the Committee could not be reduced without the efficiency of the Committee being decreased in any way. But leaving that to one side, there is one point upon which I would like the Minister to give me some information and that is whether any allowance is being made to the Chairman by way of expenses, subsistence allowance, or otherwise. I believe the Dáil understood that the Chairmanship of this Committee was a purely honorary one and I do happen to know that the former holder of the position received an income of £1,000 for his services for a number of years. An honorarium of that nature, of course, makes the position not an honorary one because the amount of time that was devoted to the work and the number of years over which his service was given were such as to make the emoluments payable on a very large scale, and I would like to know before the Vote goes before the House whether the Chairman recently appointed receives anything by way of salary, allowance for expenses, or otherwise.

In regard to sub-head B, which deals with the Civil Service (Compensation) Board, we propose to provide this year the sum of £15, against £115 provided last year. I think the exact purpose of this is to determine whether certain officers are to be permitted to take advantage of the terms of the transferred officers' agreement under which, I think, the increased lump sum and compensation retiring allowance payable shall be defrayed by the British Government. It seems to me that the Irish Civil Service Board is really an agency for the British Government and that the amount of money involved is trivial. Nevertheless, I think that since it is, as I said, more or less an agency service for them and since they will, to a certain extent, benefit by its operation, which safeguards their interests, I think that we should not have to bear the expenses of such a Board even though, as I have said, it is comparatively trivial. Sub-head C of this Vote proposes to provide £495 for a Committee of Inquiry into the position of national teachers in the Gaeltacht. No provision was made for this service last year and I would like the Minister to tell the House whether the Committee has yet been set up and whether it has had any meetings.

There is one other item—I do not know whether I am entitled to refer to it—and that is the Grain Tribunal. A sum of £100 was provided to defray the expenses of that tribunal last year. There is no provision made for the tribunal this year. The tribunal has met and had many public meetings and has taken evidence at considerable expense, which exceeds the provision which was actually made—and the point I have in mind is whether, in view of the fact that no provision was made this year, that is to be taken as an indication that the Minister does not intend to publish the report of the tribunal. Naturally, if the report is to be published, some provision would have to be made for it in the Estimates because any surplus money would naturally have to be surrendered. I would like the Minister to deal with that point in his reply.

When the Minister is replying I would like to know whether he is prepared to give us a report on the Manuscripts Commission up to date.

With reference to the first point made by Deputy MacEntee, I think that the work of the Savings Certificates Committee is very useful. Not only does the thrift side of the work depend very largely on the activities of the Committee, but I think even the subscriptions for Savings Certificates, which hardly come under the heading of thrift, but are more or less in the way of investments, come in to a considerable extent as a result of this activity. On the whole, it is very advantageous to the Exchequer to have this inflow of subscriptions for Savings Certificates. It places us in a stronger position for facing the money market for borrowing purposes. Owing to the fact also that many people do not leave their money invested until it reaches maturity, we get that money at a small rate of interest. No allowance will be payable to the Chairman of the Committee. I presume if he made a journey somewhere on the Committee's business, he would be paid his travelling expenses in the ordinary way, but no payment other than some recoupment for actual outlay is made. With regard to the former holder of the position, there was a number of special factors which will not recur. The former holder for a time——

I am not criticising that part of it. I merely mentioned the fact because I wanted an assurance from the Minister that the position which formerly held would not continue.

Oh, no. With regard to the Civil Service Compensation Board, I think the Deputy was under a misapprehension. A very small proportion only of the compensation awarded will be payable by the British Government. The only amount that they will pay will be the differnce between the amount that was payable under the original judgment of our Supreme Court and the findings of the Privy Council. Practically all the cases of retirements in consequence of the change of Government have now been dealt with. There may be a small number remaining. What the Board in future will have to deal with will be the cases of people who claim that their conditions were altered to their detriment, and who will claim compensation on that basis. There will be, I expect, a very small number of them.

With regard to the Committee which is to inquire into the position of national teachers in the Gaeltacht, that matter arises out of the Report of the Gaeltacht Commission and the White Paper of Government policy published in connection with it. The Committee is to be set up for the purpose of considering whether some agreed scheme could be evolved for transferring elsewhere teachers in the Gaeltacht who have not a knowledge of Irish and who do not seem likely to acquire a knowledge of Irish. The personnel of the Committee has not been completed, and, of course, it has not held meetings. It is intended that it should be constituted something in the following manner—an independent chairman, three representatives of Managers, three representatives of the National Teachers' Organisation, and a few representatives of the Department of Education.

With regard to the Grain Tribunal, it is intended naturally that a report will be published. It will possibly be paid out of the Stationery Office Vote. With regard to the Manuscripts Commission, there are several books on the point of being published. There is, for instance, "Duanaire Chloinne Aodha Buidhe," which is practically ready. I have seen unbound copies, and it is somewhere in the stage of being published. A great deal of the Book of Lechan has been photographed and a photographic facsimile is being produced. I know that photographs have been taken, and the book is in process of being printed off. The printing off is rather slow, because it is dependent on the weather. Some times, when as few as eight prints have been made, the machine has to be stopped and the type has to be cleaned. On other days, when atmospheric conditions are suitable, it might be possible to print as much as fifteen. As far as that book is concerned, the printing of one page occupies a considerable time. As a matter of fact arrangements are being made to get a second printing machine for the Ordnance Survey, because it is not possible for one printing machine to keep pace with the photographic department which produces first the photograph and then also the gelatine plate from which the book is printed. A good deal of progress has been made with another manuscript, the name of which I have not at the moment, from Trinity College. Other books on hand include the "Liber Primus Kilkenniensis,""The Register of Hospitallers of St. John of Kilmainham," and "The Civil Survey" (Vol. 1). Amongst works which it is hoped to publish in the present year are: The Rinuccini Memoirs, Rentale Terrarum, Fitzwilliam Papers, Civil Survey (Vol. No. 2), Register of Tristernagh, Lexique of Place Names, The Irish Nennius, O hUidhrinn, and O Dubhgain's Topographical Poems. As a matter of fact, though nothing has appeared yet except two issues of the "Analecta Hibernica," a great deal of work has been done in the preparation of the volume, and, as I happen to know, some of them are in a very advanced stage towards publication.

Will the Minister state when the report of the Grain Tribunal is likely to be published?

I cannot say.

Vote put and agreed to.
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