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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 9 Mar 1938

Vol. 70 No. 6

Committee on Finance—Vote on Account.

Tairgim:

Go ndeontar i gcuntas suim nach mó ná £10,630,000 chun no mar chabhair chun íoctha na muirear a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1939, i gcóir seirbhísí áirithe puiblí, eadhon:—

That a sum not exceeding £10,630,000 be granted on account for or towards defraying the charges that will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1939, for certain public services, namely:—

£

£

1

Teaghlachas an Uachtaráin

1,020

1

President's Establishment

1,020

2

Tithe an Oireachtais

37,000

2

Houses of the Oireachtas

37,000

3

Roinn an Taoisigh

4,600

3

Department of the Taoiseach

4,600

4

An tArd-Reachtaire Cunntas agus Ciste

6,540

4

Comptroller and Auditor-General

6,540

5

Oifig an Aire Airgeadais

24,700

5

Office of the Minister for Finance

24,700

6

Oifig na gCoimisinéirí Ioncuim

286,000

6

Office of the Revenue Commissioners

286,000

7

Pinsin tSean-Aoise

1,150,000

7

Old Age Pensions

1,150,000

8

Deolchairí Cúitimh

15,000

8

Compensation Bounties

15,000

9

Coimisiúin agus Fiosrúcháin Speisialta

3,100

9

Commissions and Special Inquiries

3,100

10

Oifig na nOibreacha Poiblidhe

43,900

10

Office of Public Works

43,900

11

Oibreacha agus Foirgintí Puiblí

396,000

11

Public Works and Buildings

396,000

12

Saotharlann Stáit

2,650

12

State Laboratory

2,650

13

Coimisiún na Stát-Sheirbhíse

8,600

13

Civil Service Commission

8,600

14

Cúiteamh i gCailliúna Maoine

17,000

14

Property Losses Compensation

17,000

15

Cúiteamh i nDíobhála Pearsanta

250

15

Personal Injuries Compensation

250

16

Aois-Liúntaisí agus Liúntaisí Fágala

151,800

16

Superannuation and Retired Allowances

151,800

17

Rátáí ar Mhaoin an Riaghaltais

38,400

17

Rates on Government Property

38,400

18

An tSeirbhís Sheicréideach

6,700

18

Secret Service

6,700

19

Coimisiún na nDleacht

1,900

19

Tariff Commission

1,900

20

Costaisí fén Acht Timpeal Toghachán, agus fé Acht na nGiúirithe

Nil

20

Expenses under the Electoral Act, and the Juries Act

Nil

21

Costaisí Ilghnéitheacha

5,300

21

Miscellaneous Expenses

5,300

22

Páipéarachas agus Clódóireacht

59,000

22

Stationery and Printing

59,000

23

Measadóireacht agus Suirbhéireacht Teorann

11,100

23

Valuation and Boundary Survey

11,100

24

Suirbhéireacht an Ordonáis

10,220

24

Ordnance Survey

10,220

25

Deontaisí Breise Talmhaíochta

450,000

25

Supplementary Agricultural Grants

450,000

26

Dlí-Mhuirearacha

23,300

26

Law Charges

23,300

27

Longlann Inis Sionnach

3,300

27

Haulbowline Dockyard

3,300

28

Ollscoileanna agus Coláistí

78,900

28

Universities and Colleges

78,900

29

Pinsin do Bhaintreacha agus do Dhílleachtaithe

150,000

29

Widows' and Orphans' Pensions

150,000

30

Oifig an tSaor-Chíosa

1,300

30

Quit Rent Office

1,300

31

Bainistí Stoc Rialtais

15,390

31

Management of Government Stocks

15,390

32

Oifig an Aire Dlighidh agus Cirt

13,900

32

Office of the Minister for Justice

13,900

33

Gárda Síochána

659,920

33

Gárda Síochána

659,920

34

Príosúin

27,200

34

Prisons

27,200

35

Cúirt Dúithche

13,150

35

District Court

13,150

36

Cúirt Uachtarach agus ArdChúirt an Bhreithiúnais

17,000

36

Supreme Court and High Court of Justice

17,000

37

Oifig Chlárathachta na Talmhan agus Oifig Chlárathachta na nDintiúirí

16,000

37

Land Registry and Registry of Deeds

16,000

38

An Chúirt Chuarda

16,450

38

Circuit Court

16,450

39

Oifig na nAnnálacha Puiblí

1,700

39

Public Record Office

1,700

40

Tabhartaisí agus Tiomanta Déirciúla

920

40

Charitable Donations and Bequests

920

41

Riaghaltas Aiteamhail agus Sláinthe Phoiblidhe

445,800

41

Local Government and Public Health

445,800

42

Oifig an Ard-Chlárathóra

4,250

42

General Register Office

4,250

43

Gealtlann Dúndroma

5,500

43

Dundrum Asylum

5,500

44

Arachas Sláinte Náisiúnta

100,000

44

National Health Insurance

100,000

45

Oifig an Aire Oideachais

62,020

45

Office of the Minister for Education

62,020

46

Bun-Oideachas

1,340,000

46

Primary Education

1,340,000

47

Meadhon-Oideachas

148,400

47

Secondary Education

148,400

48

Ceárd-Oideachas

99,950

48

Technical Instruction

99,950

49

Eolaíocht agus Ealadha

19,430

49

Science and Art

19,430

50

Scoileanna Ceartúcháin agus Saothair

55,000

50

Reformatory and Industrial Schools

55,000

51

An Gailerí Náisiúnta

3,100

51

National Gallery

3,100

52

Talmhaidheacht

219,800

52

Agriculture

219,800

53

Iascach

12,280

53

Fisheries

12,280

54

Tailte

703,800

54

Lands

703,800

55

Foraoiseacht

49,360

55

Forestry

49,360

56

Seirbhísí na Gaeltachta

35,000

56

Gaeltacht Services

35,000

57

Tionnscal agus Tráchtáil

181,000

57

Industry and Commerce

181,000

58

Seirbhísí Iompair agus Meteoraíochta

16,000

58

Transport and Meteorological Services

16,000

59

An Bínse Bóthair Iarainn

970

59

Railway Tribunal

970

60

Muir-Sheirbhís

3,150

60

Marine Service

3,150

61

Arachas Díomhaointis agus Congnamh Díomhaointis

333,100

61

Unemployment Insurance and Unemployment Assistance

333,100

62

Oifig Chlárathachta Mhaoine Tionnscail agus Tráchtála

4,780

62

Industrial and Commercial Property Registration Office

4,780

63

Puist agus Telegrafa

813,000

63

Posts and Telegraphs

813,000

64

Fóirleatha Nea-shrangach

24,800

64

Wireless Broadcasting

24,800

65

An tArm

557,400

65

Army

557,400

66

Arm-Phinsín

234,800

66

Army Pensions

234,800

67

Gnóthaí Eachtracha

27,050

67

External Affairs

27,050

68

Cumann na Náisiún

3,050

68

League of Nations

3,050

69

Scéimeanna Fostaíochta

600,000

69

Employment Schemes

600,000

70

Deolchairí agus Conganta Airgid um Easportáil

750,000

70

Export Bounties and Subsidies

750,000

71

Forbairt na Móna

8,000

71

Peat Fuel Development

8,000

An tIomlán

£10,630,000

Total

£10,630,000

The purpose of the Vote on Account, as the Dáil is aware, is to enable sums to be made available for the carrying out of what are termed the Supply Services during the interval in every financial year which must elapse before the Dáil has had an opportunity of discussing each Supply Service Estimate in detail and passing it. Normally, the greater part of the first four months of the financial year has elapsed before all such Estimates have been considered by the Dáil, and before the annual Appropriation Act has become law; and it is, therefore, necessary to provide in the Vote on Account sufficient moneys to cover the working of the various departments and services for a period of four months. The amount necessary, accordingly, is in most cases one-third of the Estimate, but in certain cases, where special circumstances exist, a departure from that fraction is necessary, and the necessary modifications in the fraction have been made, accordingly, in those Estimates in which such a departure is unavoidable.

The total net provision to be made for the Supply Service Estimates for the coming financial year is £30,322,710, showing a net increase of £579,646 over the figure for last year. As regards the Vote on Account for the coming year, the sum now required is £10,630,000. In the absence of the Minister for Finance, I hope it will be considered sufficient if I refer briefly to the more important decreases and increases in the Estimates as presented to the House, and make some reference to these cases in which, in respect of the sums mentioned in the Vote on Account, there has been a substantial departure from the normal one-third of the total Estimate for 1938-39.

The more important decreases are: Vote 52—Agriculture—in which there is a decrease of £117,734 as compared with the current year. There are various increases in respect of salary increments and bonus, improvement of live stock and the creamery industry and miscellaneous items, but these are more than offset by non-repetition of the provision of £111,000 for expenses in connection with the provision of butter for winter requirements. There is also a substantial reduction under sub-head 0.9 in respect of the purchase, storage and export of butter. The next largest decrease seems to be Vote 61—Unemployment Insurance and Assistance. The amount is £52,993 less than the provision for the current year. There is a decrease of £5,083 in respect of salaries, due mainly to reductions in the staff of the employment branch, and a decrease of £12,800 for poundage on money and postal orders due to a change in the system of paying unemployment insurance benefit and unemployment assistance. The Vote is further relieved to the extent of £80,426 by increased receipts under Appropriations-in-Aid from the Unemployment Fund and local authorities. There are off-setting increases of £15,000 in the State contribution to the Unemployment Fund, and £30,086 in respect of payments of unemployment assistance.

Vote 58—Transport and Meteorological Services—shows a decrease of £47,206. The reason for this is a decrease of about £48,000 in the provision for acquisition of land for civil air ports and that the payment of £1,500 to the Londonderry and Lough Swilly Railway Company disappears. These are offset to a small extent by certain increases for additional staff for meteorological services and other items. Electrical Battery Development decrease, £46,000. The Vote for this service in 1937-38 was stated by the Minister for Industry and Commerce when moving it last year to be the last payment to be made in respect of the Drumm battery invention.

Vote 46—Primary Education—shows a gross decrease of £34,190, offset as to £18,651 by increases on various sub-heads. The principal decrease is in teachers' salaries (£19,000) and the principal increase in provision for grants towards the cost of heating and cleaning schools—£15,600.

Vote 14—Property Losses Compensation—which shows a decrease of £17,560, is a dwindling service. Vote 16—Superannuation and Retired Allowances—shows a decrease of £13,135.

The main increases are: Vote 11 —Public Works and Buildings.—The increase here is £211,293. An increase of £205,833 is made in the provision for sub-head B.—New Works, Alterations and Additions. The gross figure shown in the Schedule in Part III of the Estimate for this sub-head for 1938-39 is £1,156,075 as compared with £972,832 in the current year's Estimate. A sum of £160,000 (item 107) is provided for the Dublin airport as compared with £70,000 in the current year; while £230,000 is provided (item 108) for the Shannon airport as compared with £150,000 in the current year. Works for the Army generally show an increase. The deduction for works which may not be carried out during the year is £300,000 as compared with £322,590 in the current year. The Commissioners of Public Works anticipate that, with certain additions which have been made to the staff of the Office of Public Works, it will be possible in the coming year to carry out works to the full scale contemplated. Token provision is made in the sub-head for the erection of an official residence for the President of Ireland; the details will be worked out by the Commissioners during the year.

The provision for maintenance and supplies shows an increase of £19,569 which is accounted for by the greater number of buildings under the charge of the Commissioners. The provision under sub-head A.—Purchase of Sites and Buildings—shows a decrease of £17,510. Commitments for arterial drainage are estimated at £31,630, of which not more than £19,630, a decrease of £10,447 as compared with the current year, is estimated to come in course of payment during the year.

Vote 66—Army Pensions—shows an increase of £93,408. This increase is due mainly to an addition of £97,199 in the provision for extra pensions granted under the Military Service Act, 1934. The Defence Forces Pensions Scheme, 1937, requires £3,672, an increase of £2,046 on the current year's provisions. Vote 63—Posts and Telegraphs—shows an increase of £91,140 and of the total increase here, £65,000 approximately, is in respect of salaries and due partly to additional staff but mainly to salary increments and bonus. Vote 41—Local Government and Public Health—shows an increase of £78,826. The main increases are £51,875 in respect of the contributions towards annual loan charges to local authorities for housing purposes and £14,995 for grants to private persons, local authorities and societies also for housing purposes. Vote 65—Army— shows an increase of £76,504. Increased numbers in the rank and file and in the civilians employed in the engineering and air services account mainly for the increase of £28,064 for pay under sub-heads A. and C. and for an increase of £24,786 under sub-head K. in respect of provisions and allowances in lieu. There is an increase of £15,791 in the provision for mechanical transport and a corresponding increase of £3,575 for petrol and oil. There is also an increase of £14,430 for warlike stores, due mainly to additional provision for ammunition and small arms. Decreases totalling £49,870 are more than offset by the increases on the sub-heads referred to and by a reduction of £10,854 in appropriations-in-aid. Vote 57—Industry and Commerce—shows an increase of £52,169. The principal increases are: £10,196 under salaries, due mainly to increments and bonus; £3,500 for the Glasgow Exhibition, a new item of £20,000 for the New York World Fair, 1939, an increase of £25,247 for the production of industrial alcohol, £2,330 in the provision for the reconstructed Prices Commission and £6,200 in the grant-in-aid for the development of Clonsast Bog. There is a decrease of £15,242 in the provision for development of Lyracrompane Bog.

Vote 7—Old Age Pensions—shows an increase of £39,800 due, I understand, to the fact that the number of pensioners in 1938-39 will attain to the total of 138,200; at present, the number is about 136,600. Vote 6— Office of the Revenue Commissioners— shows an increase of £39,688. The bulk of the increase arises on the salary sub-head, approximately £23,000 being due to the higher provision for bonus. The balance of the increase is due to normal increments accruing on salary scales, etc. Vote 48—Technical Instruction—shows an increase of £36,003. The increase arises almost entirely on the provision for annual grants to vocational education committees under Section 53 of the Vocational Education Act, 1930. Vote 8—Compensation Bounties—shows an increase of £32,900. There is an increase of £33,500 in the provision for bounties to exporters in respect of sugar made in Éire, from beet grown in Éire and used in the manufacture of goods on which drawback is paid. This is offset by the withdrawal, as from 14th April, 1937, of the bounty on home-made mineral hydrocarbon light oils, for which a sum of £600 was provided last year. The increased provision for bounties on sugar is based upon information received from Cómhlucht Siúicre Eireann, Teo., that the Condensed Milk Company of Ireland has contracted to purchase sufficient home-produced sugar to meet their total requirements for the coming season. Vote 71—Peat Fuel Development— shows an increase of £30,000. No provision was made for this service in the current year's Votes, but a sum of £35,000 was voted for it in 1936-7. Vote 2—Houses of the Oireachtas— shows an increase of £25,687. The Estimate provides for the inclusion of provision for the cost of Seanad Eireann. Salaries and allowances of Seanadoiri are continued on the basis of allowances paid in the former Seanad. The Estimates are—£22,830 for salaries and allowances; £1,300, travelling expenses of Seanadoiri, with a decrease of £2,670 in the salaries and allowances of Teachtaí, which latter item is more than compensated for by an increase of £3,927 in salaries and wages of staff.

Finally, there are the items in respect of which there is a marked departure from the normal one-third of the total Estimate for 1938-39. Vote 1—President's Establishment. This is a new service but, as it follows from the enactment of the Constitution, it may be regarded as non-contentious in principle and, therefore, proper to be covered by the Vote on Account. Only one quarter of the sum estimated to be required for the year is asked for in the Vote on Account. Vote 71—Peat Fuel Development—to which I have already referred. Although this is not exactly a new service, provision having been made in 1936-7, it was not thought meet to include one-third of the Estimate in the Vote on Account. Vote 54—Lands. This is a typical example of cases in which a substantially greater fraction than the normal one-third of the annual Estimate is required during the first four months. The explanation is that in order to meet the payment of interest on Land Bonds on 1st July next, half of the provision under sub-heads H, K and Q, which together account for £742,250 of the total Estimate of £1,740,380, will have to be paid into the Land Bond Fund in June next. Similarly, under a number of other Votes, principally Votes 22, 25, 28, 31, 33, 46 and 50. It will be noted that provision is being made in the Vote on Account on the basis that expenditure during the first four months of the coming financial year will be greater than the average. Deputies will, no doubt, have noted the variations themselves and I do not think it necessary to dwell upon the reasons for the variations of the normal one-third under each of the Estimates concerned. It should suffice to say that, in most of these cases, the chief cause of the variation is that a larger proportion of the payments under the Vote than the normal one-third falls to be met during the first four months of the financial year. There are three Estimates which show no change as compared with the figures for the current financial year—tariff commission, employment schemes and export bounties and subsidies. With regard to the latter important Votes—Nos. 69 and 70 —Deputies will notice that the amounts provided in the coming year's Estimate are the same as those provided for the present year. I do not think that it is necessary for me to say anything more at this stage. Deputies will later have an opportunity of discussing the different Estimates in detail when presented to the House by the responsible Ministers. I understand that the Opposition Parties have been good enough to express a desire to get through the financial business on to-day's paper without going into matters on which there is conflict.

The Minister is correctly informed when he says that we consider the immediate circumstances unpropitious for a controversial discussion of national finances. We are satisfied that, in view of the negotiations proceeding in London, it will be wiser to postpone a detailed discussion of the matters raised by the Vote on Account for another day. Another opportunity will be forthcoming when these matters can be more fully gone into and, therefore, I shall confine myself to-day to directing the attention of the House to the figures without comment. The figure appearing on the cover of the white Book of Estimates for 1938-39 is £30,322,710 and that is for the Supply Services. The figure appearing on the cover of the white Book of Estimates for 1931-32 was £21,921,573 and this fact which I am now about to mention is one that many Deputies, I think, forget. The Book of Estimates for 1931-32 contained Votes 8, 16 and 29 which do not appear in the Book of Estimates for 1938-39. These three Votes required £2,484,500 to finance them. None of them requires to be financed now, so that if we are to make a comparison between the expenditure to-day and the expenditure of five years ago, we must subtract the amount of those sub-heads from the figure which appeared on the cover of the Book of Estimates for 1931-32. If we do that, we discover that, in 1931-32, the Estimates were £19,437,000. They are to-day £30,322,000. That is, I freely admit, a matter which gives rise to controversy and about which there will be controversy on another occasion. I do not for a moment desire to suggest that that is a statement upon which the Government will not have comment, and trenchent comment, to make. So will we, and when the time arrives, the matters arising from those figures will deserve the close attention of every Deputy, of every taxpayer in the country and every person in the country who has the welfare of the country at heart.

Question put and agreed to.
Vote reported and agreed to.
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