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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 31 May 1939

Vol. 76 No. 3

Vote 25—Supplementary Agricultural Grants.

I move:—

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £450,989 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1940, chun méaduithe an Deontais d'Udaráis Aitiúla chun faoiseamh do dhéanamh maidir le rátai ar thalamh thalmhaíochta (Uimh. 35 de 1925 agus Uimh. 28 de 1931).

That a sum not exceeding £450,989 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1940, to increase the Grant to Local Authorities in relief of rates on agricultural land (No. 35 of 1925 and No. 28 of 1931).

I wish to point out to the House that this sum, to my mind, is altogether insufficient, taking into account the present condition of agriculture. Taking into account the enormous increase in the demands made by the local authorities in rates at the present time, and that over 80 per cent. of that increase is being borne directly by our agricultural people, I think there is not a fair distribution of this charge. We all must admit that, in a civilised country, the sick and the poor and the needy must be looked after, but there should be a more equitable distribution of the charge between the people of the rural class and the people who live in the towns. I do not think it is at all fair to ask people to contribute taxation for local administration on a valuation basis, because that is no indication of a man's earning capacity. The agricultural community have no objection whatever to making their fair contribution towards the cost of local services, but when I say: "A fair contribution" I mean a contribution in relation to their earning capacity. Very often you find a professional man or a business man living in a house on which there is a relatively small valuation. Although that man has a big income, his contribution to local services is a negligible amount compared with that of a farmer living on land with a valuation of £100 or more, but whose earning capacity has no relation whatever to that of the other man. Eventually, I think the Government will be forced to realise that, in justice, the agricultural community are entitled to derating of agricultural land. If our farmers are to be put on the same basis as their competitors in Northern Ireland and in England, that must come. If we are going to compete, we can only compete on the same basis. Pending the arrival of that time—I hope it will be soon—I submit, Sir, that this Vote should be increased considerably in order to help our agricultural people.

I support the plea made by Deputy Hughes with regard to the inadequacy of this Vote. All over the country there is arrears of rates. County Cork, has not, perhaps, the highest figure for arrears, but we are undoubtedly alarmed at the enormous difficulty we have in getting in rates from agricultural land without using very drastic means. We are faced with the difficulty that there is an ever increasing return of "no goods". The people who are making an honest effort to pay their rates are paying for those who are not able to pay, and those are an ever increasing number. Therefore, the Minister ought to take seriously the demand of the agricultural community for the derating of agricultural land. The Minister must bear in mind that there has been a complete change round in the use made of roads and of every one of the public services. We have water services, public health services and various other public services which are a charge on the agricultural community who have absolutely no use for them. In the case of the roads, the people of our cities and towns are certainly making the greatest use of our main roads and even our by-roads. It is, therefore, highly inequitable that the greatest portion of the expense should be laid on the class in the country which has just emerged from the greatest tragedy that has ever befallen the agricultural community, and that is the economic war. There is an ever increasing arrear which our county councils are not able to cope with. We must bear in mind that at an earlier stage of the county councils there was no such thing as overdrafts with the banks, but now a common occurrence is that the banks even refuse the county councils for an overdraft, owing to the enormous amount of the accommodation required. It is even a common thing for the Minister to refuse sanction for an overdraft to a county council. Therefore, the warning is there, the writing is on the wall. The Minister must bear in mind that an overburdened agricultural community can no longer stand the impositions which are levied on them for people who are infinitely wealthier than they are. Therefore, I support the plea made by Deputy Hughes, that this Estimate be referred back for further consideration.

I am afraid I am not able to do anything to meet the case made by Deputy Hughes and Deputy Brasier. The provision asked for in this Vote will bring the total amount provided for the relief of rates on agricultural land to £1,870,000. By the operation of the Guarantee Fund perhaps an additional amount may also be released to the county councils. I might mention that, over and above the £1,870,000 which was provided last year, a further £63,000 was released from the Guarantee Fund due to the reduction in the arrears of land annuities. I am afraid, with all the other calls on the Exchequer, that is as much as we can afford to do this year.

What is the necessity for the Guarantee Fund at all?

I find that is very necessary.

Might I ask if it is the intention to continue the Guarantee Fund, seeing that it has ceased to be a relief for the British taxpayers? The Guarantee Fund was originally inaugurated to relieve the British taxpayers and to safeguard them. Now that that is no longer necessary, why continue the Fund? It is really an imposition on the taxpayers of this country.

Think of the relief it is at the moment to the ratepayers of County Cork. They are getting a large share of it.

I appreciate the point made by the Minister. At the same time, that does not change the fact that the Guarantee Fund is no longer necessary.

Think of the difficulty we would have in collecting the land annuities if it were not for it.

Vote put and agreed to.
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