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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 11 Dec 1947

Vol. 109 No. 6

Committee on Finance. - Vote 21—Stationery and Printing.

I move:—

That a Supplementary* sum not exceeding £117,600 be granted to defray the Charges which will come in the course of payment during the year ending 31st day of March, 1948, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Stationery Office; for Stationery, Printing, Paper, Binding and Printed Books for the Public Service; and for sundry Miscellaneous Services, including Reports of Oireachtas Debates.

The gross supplementary sum now required is £118,600 but this amount is reduced by £1,000 due to an anticipated increase on the original Estimate of receipts as Appropriations-in-Aid.

During the current year the Stationery Office must meet the expense of producing a further general issue of ration books as well as the issue of fuel ration books and forms for the compilation of the Register of Population, 1947, by the Department of Industry and Commerce. In addition, long-standing requirements which have remained unfilled at administrative inconvenience require the purchase of many items of office equipment which were not procurable since the commencement of the period of the emergency but are now again available.

At the same time the rates of charges to the Stationery Office for the goods and services provided for the public service very considerably exceed anticipations. Provision made for increases in the prices paid for printing to correspond with increases in wages in the printing industry is inadequate and the exceptional rise in prices for most classes of goods in the past year has upset all previous calculations. The financial consequences of these increases in the rates of charges are all the greater because of the expansion in the volume of printing required.

*A sum of £203,780 has already been granted by means of the Appropriation Act, 1947.

This expansion in the volume of printing has necessitated increased purchases of papers, which have advanced considerably in price since the original grant was sought.

The prices of books, publications and maps have also increased and Departmental requirements entail wider purchases than was foreseen.

A. Salaries, Wages and Allowances (original, £43,183; supplementary, £600) —The extra provision is required to meet expenditure on overtime in (1) distribution to Garda stations of the forms for the Register of Population, 1947, (2) the checking of ration books and (3) the checking of the claims for the retrospective increases in charges for printing mentioned in connection with other subheads.

F (1) Printing, Paper and Binding for the Houses of the Oireachtas (original, £9,500; supplementary, £1,500)—Additional provision required to meet (1) balances of retrospective increases in charges for printing because of corresponding increases in wages in the printing trade and (2) increased charges, under a new contract, for current work.

F (2) Oireachtas Debates (original £9,800; supplementary, £1,200)—The additional provision is necessary to meet retrospective increases in charges for printing corresponding with increases in wages in the printing trade, and the outlay on increased current work.

F (4) Printing, etc., for Registration Officers under Electoral and Juries Acts (original, £30,000; supplementary, £2,000)—The provision made for increases in charges because of increases in wages is inadequate and additional provision is accordingly necessary.

G Grants to Periodicals Published in Irish and Newspapers Publishing Current News in Irish (original, £3,000; supplementary, £250)—Because of increases in the charges which promoters pay for printing it has been necessary to increase the grants in respect of certain periodicals and provision is also required to meet an increased grant in respect of one periodical (Tír-na-nOg, published in conjunction with Our Boys by the Irish Christian Brothers) which has been increased to an eight-page edition (monthly).

H Printing (original, £45,000, supplementary, £47,000)—The extra provision is necessitated by (1) the costs of producing general ration books, fuel ration books and the forms for the compilation of the Census of Population, 1947, and (2) an excess over anticipations in the volume of current routine work, the rates of charges under new contracts and the amounts of retrospective increases in printing charges corresponding with increases in wages in the printing industry.

I Paper (original, £75,000; supplementary, £53,500)—Prices of paper have risen very considerably during the current year and at the same time requirements have increased because of the extra printing mentioned in the note in connection with sub-head H.

J Miscellaneous Office Supplies (original, £17,500; supplementary, £9,250)—The prices of office equipment have risen, generally, and many articles not available during the period of the emergency can now be procured to meet long-standing requirements which have remained unfilled at administrative inconvenience.

K Binding (original, £11,000; supplementary, £2,300)—The additional provision sought to defray retrospective increases in charges corresponding with increases in wages in the industry.

L Books and Maps (original, £5,000; supplementary, £1,000)—The prices of books and publications have advanced and Departmental requirements have increased.

M Appropriations-in-Aid (original, £52,528; supplementary, £1,000)—It is now anticipated that the receipts from advertisements in Official Publications will exceed the sum originally estimated.

I wonder, Sir, on the question of these ration books would I be in order in suggesting the insertion of another page in the ration book? I would suggest that as the ration book is a sort of identity card in the country, the Minister could have an extra page inserted in the new ration book that would be collected in the general election and in local elections, so that any person who went to vote would produce his ration book and instead of only giving his number to the presiding officer, the presiding officer would mark in the book that he had voted on that particular day. It would prevent impersonation and be of very great value to presiding officers at general and local elections. In Switzerland the Carte d'Identité carries such a page so that instead of having a long register of voters' list the citizen produces his Carte d'Identité and it is stamped for him. It would only mean one other page and I think it would be of very great value.

I presume that these increases for paper are out of our control completely, as we have to purchase it abroad. There should be extreme care in the use of paper, and if you look at the desk here you will see that a good deal of paper could be saved. I know it is very hard, but in a time of scarcity every care should be taken in its use.

I am afraid from the indications that are abroad that the estimates for printing will not be sufficient, because it appears that we will be faced with an increased burden if certain wage demands are met. I suppose, however, like the rates, we have to give this to the Government.

I presume that the cards for notifying the electors where they are to vote are included in this. I wonder are they issued from the Stationery Office? I do not know that they are really necessary. I think that if the ration book page was given to every person for marking by the presiding officer it would do away with that particular card. You can take it that the candidates will make sure that every one gets the information where he is to vote.

God between us and all harm if it should ever happen that a person in this country had to produce an identity card to get a vote! How would the presiding officer or the polling clerk know that the man who produced the card was the individual concerned? I would like General MacEoin to explain that.

That is very easily explained.

It would be very hard to do it as people could lend their ration books to one another.

The ration book is one means of identification.

It is a strange thing that the Stationery Office let their stocks of paper run down completely. The Stationery Office must have wiped itself out completely. I thought that the Stationery Office would have always had a certain amount of paper in hands and it is strange to have this terrible increase all of a sudden. I would like the Minister to explain that point. It is something like the increase in the rates, however; there are some things which cannot be helped.

I would like to ask when the bound volumes of the Dáil debates which are overdue for, I think, the year 1942, will be available.

I hope that this Estimate will enable the Stationery Office to publish its statistical returns with more rapidity than hitherto and that possibly we may have a White Paper on income a little earlier.

It may be forgotten that the preparation of the White Paper on income and such statistical matters occupies a great deal of time. It is difficult, with the present stress with regard to income, to get even the annual reports of the Department published. I have not been able to see printed the last report of my own Department, for example, although I think it is a good deal overdue. The Minister for Health, not so long ago, referred in this House to the difficulty of getting new Old Age Pension books although that was a matter of great urgency. No promise can be given, therefore, as to when the Oireachtas debates are likely to be available. I think a certain number of volumes for the emergency and post-emergency period have been circulated. It would be quite impossible to say when the remainder will be available. I would like to explain that the position which faced the Stationery Office during the emergency was that it was absolutely impossible to get paper from any source. The extraordinary thing is that we were able to carry on at all having regard to the fact that ration books were issued and that a census had to be carried out on more than one occasion. It was extraordinary that we were able to carry these very urgent public matters through fairly satisfactorily. I am told that the cards for electors will be made available in this general election as in the past. I do not know whether Deputy MacEoin's idea about the ration books is feasible. Deputy Donnellan has pointed out a difficulty in relation to it, namely, that unless the presiding officer is going to hold on to the ration book until all is over on the general election day the scheme cannot be carried out. We can hardly have that done in time for the coming struggle.

There is a column on the page on each side. The name is knocked off the register when the person votes. The name of the owner of the ration book is marked off and therefore he cannot vote again.

Suppose there is a change of ration books again?

There is only one page, "D" say. The presiding officer could mark it.

If you were quite sure there would be an election immediately in the ensuing period it might be all right——

Are you not making quite sure you will have several— one after the other? I am making provision only for the day that is coming.

Vote agreed to.
Votes reported and agreed to.
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