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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 18 Feb 1954

Vol. 144 No. 6

Committee on Finance. - State Guarantees Bill, 1952 — Committee and Final Stages.

I move the amendment standing in my name on the Order Paper:—

In page 4, in the Schedule, to delete the following:—

3. Tea Importers, Limited. £6,000,000.

I put this amendment down to draw attention to what I consider to be a matter of very vital importance. The purpose of the amendment is to delete from the Schedule Tea Importers, Limited. The consequence of the amendment would be that the current authorised overdraft of Tea Importers could no longer be guaranteed by the Government. What I envisaged was that Tea Importers should cease to function.

If my advice in that matter had been adopted 18 months ago, when this question arose in the House, we could have bought all the tea we wanted at about 1/8½ per lb. for the lowest grade and from that upwards according to quality. As a result of the retention of the system of buying all our tea centrally through Calcutta, the lowest grades are costing 3/2 to 3/4 per lb. Albeit the Minister committed himself to the proposition when he was so exasperated by the failure of the London wholesale tea trade to deliver stocks to this country at the beginning of the 1939 war, and then resolved that he would never deal with them again, I want to urge on the Minister that in matters of this kind understandable reactions of pique should not become the signpost of policy. Surely the interest of our community is to buy tea where they can get it best and cheapest.

The most strait-laced protectionist will not, I suppose, advocate the growing of tea in this country. It is true that at one time the Taoiseach was prepared to suggest we could cut out tea and live on light beer. So far as I know he has abandoned that policy, together with the recommendation of the Egyptian bee and the growing of Irish tobacco. I could understand the Minister restricting imports of tea if he had in mind the prosecution of the Taoiseach's policy of living on light beer but I understand that has now been dropped from Fianna Fáil policy and it is not intended to grow a tea substitute. Surely then the prime object of our Government should be to enable our people to buy the best tea for the lowest price wherever they can get it.

Now, I happen to have some knowledge of the tea trade and I happen to know that there are thousands of experienced grocers in Ireland who bought their own tea for generations and who always had access to the wholesale distributors in Dublin, London, Liverpool and elsewhere. Some of the grocers bought their tea through wholesalers in Dublin and London; some of them bought through agents bidding on their behalf at the Mincing Lane auctions. Let us remember that when our merchants went, by their agents, into the tea auctions of Mincing Lane, they were bidding against buyers from America, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Denmark and all over the world. We must be now one of the only countries who put upon ourselves the obligation of purchasing tea in Calcutta. I do not want to restrict anybody from buying tea in Calcutta if that is the way he wants to buy it. All I am asking is that the ordinary grocers should have restored to them the right to buy for their customers the best tea they can get at the lowest possible penny and to compete then with their neighbours for trade by offering better tea for less money than the shop down the street.

The present position is that every grocer in Ireland is obliged to buy his tea from a certain number of wholesalers who draw their supplies from Tea Importers, Limited. We are now told that these wholesalers are to be allowed to form a monopoly, a teabuying monopoly, that thereafter the grocers will be obliged to buy their tea from the members of this monopoly, who can only function for the purpose of purchasing as a monopoly. You may go through all the movements of giving them the right to deal on the Calcutta market and consign the tea to Tea Importers only in name, but if you bring 15 wholesalers together and tell them they are the only people who in practice are going to be able to import tea and that everybody thereafter will have to buy tea from one of the 15, how long do you think that competition will survive amongst them? I warn the House that the net result of such an arrangement is that, taking quality and price into consideration, our people will be paying 6d. a lb. more for their tea than they otherwise would.

The price of the lowest grade tea has gone up 4d. per lb. in the last three months as a result of the increase in the world price. Bear in mind that had we been free to buy tea wherever we could get it in the last two years the stores of the tea merchants in this country could have been full of tea at a cost of about 1/10 per lb. delivered in this country. It has gone up because we were operating on the Calcutta market. I do not know how Tea Importers manage their affairs, but the fact is that they have advanced the price of the lower grade tea by 4d per lb., and that increase has had to be passed on in toto to the customer. In respect of tea, retailed at 5/- and 6/-per lb., the quality has been brought down while the price at 5/- and 6/- has been maintained; but in respect of tea retailing at 4/- per lb. the price has gone up to 4/4.

I do not know what induced the Minister to get this bee into his bonnet. It is ludicrous for us to be confined to a few London wholesalers. They will sell off all they can and the only effect of the present arrangement is to leave us stripped and naked and exposed to the Calcutta tea merchants. They are no soft bunch. So long as the Indian Government can levy an export tax on tea they will levy it to the last farthing. Immediately there is a surplus they will set about reducing the output of the tea gardens. The same is true of Ceylon. As long as there is an export tax on tea they will levy it to the last halfpenny. I strongly urge on the Minister to wind up Tea Importers and get out of this business and allow the merchants of this country to buy their tea wherever they like, so that through the operation of competition we can secure for our people the best teas at the lowest price. Any other course is going to cost our people money. You have in this a form of exploitation that it is extremely difficult to expose because excessive prices can be more effectively concealed in tea by wangling quality than in almost any other commodity that our people habitually buy and use.

The present prices of tea on Tea Importers list range from 4d. to 1/- per lb. below current prices on the London market.

Nonsense.

The Deputy can inquire from Tea Importers and get their price list.

Am I not doing it every other day?

The fact is that the present prices of teas sold by Tea Importers to Irish wholesalers are from 4d. to 1/- per lb. below Mincing Lane prices. Tea Importers informed me that the situation was such that inevitably there would be a tendency amongst wholesalers to buy in tea in excessive quantities as a speculation, and that the only alternative course was either to increase the prices of teas on their list to the world prices or to restrict the deliveries of tea to the wholesalers. I decided in favour of restricting the deliveries to wholesalers. Deliveries are now restricted to 105 per cent. of their normal purchases. That situation is not something that we planned. That is a situation which is due entirely to the fact that very substantial stocks of tea had been imported by Tea Importers before the world price went up. If the world price had gone down, then the situation would be the reverse, but it has worked out that way, that the stock position here was very good when world prices went up. Our stock position is very much better than the British stock position according to the published reports. British tea supplies are sufficient to meet from two to three months' requirements, while we have enough in total quantity to last until about the end of October. I do not say that we have similar quantities of every grade of tea, but the total stock position here is satisfactory. I cannot say what the future trend in tea prices may be. I do not think that this amendment which Deputy Dillon has proposed would have the effect that he says. It would not put Tea Importers out of business.

I invite the Minister to delete this reference to Tea Importers and to wind it up.

The withdrawal of the State guarantee to Tea Importers would merely put up the interest of their overdraft and cause an increase in the price of tea.

The purpose of my amendment is to ask the Minister to wind up Tea Importers.

I have already told the Dáil that we are going to wind up Tea Importers.

And substitute something worse?

It will be wound up this year. Proposals for legislation will be coming before the Dáil in the course of the next couple of months. I do not want to forecast now in any detail the character of that legislation, except to say that it will not provide for a monopoly by a single organisation. Apart from any question of our treatment during the war years, I cannot for the life of me see how it can be for the benefit of this country to buy tea from India through British middlemen. However, if that is the policy of Fine Gael we can discuss it when the Bill is before us. I think I will be able to convince the Dáil that the arrangements which it is proposed to make to regulate the tea trade in the future will certainly work out to the benefit of consumers of tea in this country.

Why do you want to regulate the trade at all? Why not leave it free?

We can argue that when we have the Bill before us.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

I move amendment No. 2:—

In page 4, in the Schedule, to delete "Great Northern Railway Company (Ireland)" and substitute "Great Northern Railway Board."

This is consequential on the agreement in connection with the Great Northern Railway.

Amendment put and agreed to.
Bill reported with one amendment.
Bill received for final consideration and passed.
Bill certified as a Money Bill in accordance with Article 22 of the Constitution.
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