Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Civil Service Salaries.

18.

asked the Minister for Finance if he will state in respect of (a) the Department of Finance and (b) other Departments of State the inclusive marriage scale paid to secretaries, assistant secretaries, principal officers and assistant principal officers (a) prior to and (b) subsequent to the recent status increases.

The particulars requested by the Deputy are contained in a tabular statement which, with your permission, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, will be circulated with the Official Report.

Following is the statement:

Department

Inclusive Salary before adjustment

Adjusted Inclusive Salary

Secretary

Finance

£4,310

£5,200

Industry and Commerce

£4,310

£5,025

Agriculture*

Health

£3,780

£4,950 (a)

Lands

£3,780

£4,950 (b)

Local Government

£3,780

£4,950 (a)

Taoiseach

£3,780

£4,950 (c)

Other Departments

£3,780

£4,750

Assistant Secretary

Finance

£3,780

1 on £4,950 (c) 2 on £4,750

Other Departments

£2,770 x 127—3,215

£3,230 x 155—3,850

Principal

Finance

£2,335 x 82—2,875

£2,720 x 95—3,350

Other Departments

£2,210 x 73—2,615

£2,575 x 85—3,045

Assistant Principal

Finance

£1,895 x 62—2,335

£2,205 x 72—2,720

Other Departments

£1,770 x 54—2,090

£2,060 x 63—2,435

*Present Secretary is unmarried; the married rates would be as follows:—

Former inclusive

Present inclusive

£4,310

£5,025

(a) Acts as Local Appointments Commissioner.

(b) Acts as Land Commissioner.

(c) Acts as Civil Service Commissioner.

19.

asked the Minister for Finance the minima and maxima of the standard rates of pay, scales A and B. for the main general service grades of the Civil Service, secretary to clerical officer inclusive, 1937 and each year from 1947 to 1965 inclusive.

20.

asked the Minister for Finance the dates from which retrospective percentage pay adjustments were made from 1947 to 1965 on the standard rates of pay for the general service grades of the Civil Service for the categories secretary to clerical officer inclusive.

21.

asked the Minister for Finance what were the status adjustment percentages applicable to the minima and maxima of the standard rates of pay, scales A and B, for secretary, deputy secretary, assistant secretary, principal, assistant principal, administrative officer, higher executive officer, executive officer, staff officer and clerical officer.

22.

asked the Minister for Finance if he will define the term status; if the status pay adjustments awarded to the Civil Service were made in addition to the 12 per cent pay adjustment; if so, from what date the status adjustment was paid; and what was the cost of such status adjustment.

I propose, with your permission, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, to take Questions Nos. 19, 20, 21 and 22 together. The factual information sought is in the form of a tabular statement which, with your permission, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, will be circulated with the Official Report.

In regard to the first part of Question 22, as a result of the long drawn out period during which eighth round revisions were being considered and effected, a number of disparities and anomalies arose when later settlements outside the Civil Service diverged widely from those made at an early stage. In outside employment the situation was restored by certain subsequent adjustments, for example, the Labour Court's Recommendation No. 1712 which revised the eighth round settlement for Bord na Móna clerical staff. In the Civil Service the clerical grades were among the first to effect eighth round settlements in 1961 and, when much higher rates began to emerge outside, these grades pressed claims for corresponding revisions. The Post Office Clerks' claim, which was "based primarily on the principle of fair comparison with the rates of pay in operation in good comparable employment outside the Civil Service", was the first to be dealt with and early in 1964 the Civil Service Arbitration Board awarded a revised scale, with effect from 1st October, 1963. The findings in this and other cases indicated that the Board accepted that the status of the grades concerned had deteriorated by reference to the terms of comparable outside employment and claims of this type came for convenience to be described as "status" claims.

Adjustments of eighth round settlements in the Civil Service, in common with the earlier adjustments outside which gave rise to them, carry the ninth round addition of 12 per cent.

Following is the statement:

MINIMUM and maximum of the standard rates of pay for general service grades in the civil service on 1 January in the years indicated.

Year

Grade

Annual Rate

Where the rate shown differs from that shown for the previous year, date of adjustment

Scale A

Scale B

Minimum

Maximum

Minimum

Maximum

£

£

£

£

1937

Secretary

1,087

1,291

1,190

1,390

Assistant Secretary

933

1,087

1,041

1,190

Principal

764

874

874

982

Assistant Principal

537

659

659

764

Administrative Officer

266

537

266

659

Higher Executive Officer.

353

512

476

659

Executive Officer

149

353

149

476

Staff Officer

201

329

292

414

Clerical Officer

116

227

116

292

1947

Secretary

1,395

1,650

1,525

1,775

1/11/1946

Assistant Secretary

1,230

1,395

1,350

1,525

1/11/1946

Principal

1,030

1,155

1,155

1,275

1/11/1946

Assistant Principal

760

915

915

1,030

1/11/1946

Administrative Officer

405

760

405

915

1/11/1946

Higher Executive Officer.

520

725

680

915

1/11/1946

Executive Officer

243

520

243

680

1/11/1946

Staff Officer

315

490

440

600

1/11/1946

Clerical Officer

194

350

199

440

1/11/1946

1948

Secretary

1,395

1,650

1,525

1,775

Assistant Secretary

1,230

1,395

1,350

1,525

Principal

1,030

1,155

1,155

1,275

1948

Assistant Principal

760

915

915

1,030

Administrative Officer.

405

760

405

915

Higher Executive Officer.

520

725

680

915

Executive Officer

243

520

243

680

Staff Officer

315

490

440

600

Clerical Officer

194

350

199

440

1949

Secretary

1,510

1,760

1,635

1,880

1/11/1948

Assistant Secretary

1,320

1,510

1,455

1,635

1/11/1948

Principal

1,100

1,240

1,240

1,375

1/11/1948

Assistant Principal

800

965

965

1,100

1/11/1948

Administrative Officer.

435

800

435

965

1/11/1948

Higher Executive Officer.

550

765

720

965

1/11/1948

Executive Officer

265

550

265

720

29/5/ and 1/11/1948

Staff Officer

340

520

470

635

29/5/ and 1/11/1948

Clerical Officer

210

375

210

470

29/5/ and 1/11/1948

1950

Secretary

1,510

1,760

1,635

1,880

Assistant Secretary

1,320

1,510

1,455

1,635

Principal

1,100

1,240

1,240

1,375

Assistant Principal

800

965

965

1,100

Administrative Officer.

435

800

435

965

Higher Executive Officer.

550

765

720

965

Executive Officer

265

550

265

720

Staff Officer

340

520

470

635

Clerical Officer

210

375

210

470

1951

Secretary

1,510

1,760

1,635

1,880

Assistant Secretary

1,320

1,510

1,455

1,635

Principal

1,100

1,240

1,240

1,375

Assistant Principal

800

965

965

1,100

Administrative Officer.

435

800

435

965

Higher Executive Officer.

550

765

720

965

Executive Officer

265

550

265

720

Staff Officer

340

520

470

635

Clerical Officer

210

375

210

470

1952

Secretary

1,786

2,141

1,969

2,324

15/1/1951

Assistant Secretary

1,518

1,786

1,700

1,969

15/1/1951

Principal

1,249

1,432

1,432

1,609

15/1/1951

Assistant Principal

890

1,072

1,072

1,249

15/1/1951

Administrative Officer.

489

890

489

1,072

15/1/1951

Higher Executive Officer.

615

852

802

1,072

15/1/1951

Executive Officer

302

615

302

802

15/1/1951

Staff Officer

384

582

527

709

15/1/1951

Clerical Officer

241

423

241

527

15/1/1951

1953

Secretary

1,866

2,229

2,053

2,416

1/11/1952

Assistant Secretary

1,591

1,866

1,778

2,053

1/11/1952

Principal

1,316

1,503

1,503

1,685

1/11/1952

1953

Assistant Principal

945

1,135

1,135

1,316

1/11/1952

Administrative Officer.

525

945

525

1,135

1/11/1952

Higher Executive Officer.

658

905

853

1,135

1/11/1952

Executive Officer

330

658

330

853

1/11/1952

Staff Officer

416

623

566

755

1/11/1952

Clerical Officer

267

456

267

566

1/11/1952

1954

Secretary

1,866

2,229

2,053

2,416

Assistant Secretary

1,591

1,866

1,778

2,053

Principal

1,316

1,503

1,503

1,685

Assistant Principal

945

1,135

1,135

1,316

Administrative Officer.

525

945

525

1,135

Higher Executive Officer.

658

905

853

1,135

Executive Officer

330

658

330

853

Staff Officer

416

623

566

755

Clerical Officer

267

456

267

566

1955

Secretary

1,866

2,229

2,053

2,416

Assistant Secretary

1,591

1,866

1,778

2,053

Principal

1,316

1,503

1,503

1,685

Assistant Principal

945

1,135

1,135

1,316

Administrative Officer.

525

945

525

1,135

Higher Executive Officer.

658

905

853

1,135

Executive Officer

330

658

330

853

Staff Officer

416

623

566

755

Clerical Officer

267

456

267

566

1956

Secretary

2,001

2,389

2,201

2,589

1/11/1955

Assistant Secretary

1,707

2,001

1,907

2,201

1/11/1955

Principal

1,414

1,613

1,613

1,807

1/11/1955

Assistant Principal

1,018

1,220

1,220

1,414

1/11/1955

Administrative Officer.

570

1,018

570

1,220

1/11/1955

Higher Executive Officer.

711

975

920

1,220

1/11/1955

Executive Officer

362

711

362

920

1/11/1955

Staff Officer

479

705

643

858

1 and 14/11/1955

Clerical Officer

289

522

289

643

12/9/ and 1/11/1955

1957

Secretary

2,001

2,389

2,201

2,589

Assistant Secretary

1,707

2,001

1,907

2,201

Principal

1,414

1,613

1,613

1,807

Assistant Principal

1,018

1,255

1,255

1,414

1/1/1957

Administrative Officer.

589

1,018

589

1,255

1/9/1956

Higher Executive Officer.

711

1,018

926

1,255

1/4/1956

Executive Officer

362

748

362

956

1/4/1956

Staff Officer

479

705

643

858

Clerical Officer

289

522

289

643

1958

Secretary

2,001

2,389

2,201

2,589

Assistant Secretary

1,707

2,001

1,907

2,201

Principal

1,414

1,613

1,613

1,807

1958

Assistant Principal

1,018

1,255

1,255

1,414

Administrative Officer.

589

1,018

589

1,255

Higher Executive Officer.

711

1,018

926

1,255

Executive Officer

362

748

362

956

Staff Officer

479

705

643

858

Clerical Officer

289

522

289

643

1959

Secretary

2,034

2,439

2,243

2,647

1/4/1958

Assistant Secretary

1,728

2,034

1,936

2,423

1/4/1958

Principal

1,422

1,630

1,630

1,832

1/4/1958

Assistant Principal

1,018

1,324

1,255

1,526

1/4/1958

Administrative Officer.

608

1,037

615

1,282

1/4/1958

Higher Executive Officer.

731

1,037

952

1,282

1/4/1958

Executive Officer

375

768

375

982

1/4/1958

Staff Officer

498

725

669

884

1/4/1958

Clerical Officer

302

541

302

669

1/4/1958

1960

Secretary

2,170

2,600

2,400

2,825

15/12/1959

Assistant Secretary

1,850

2,170

2,075

2,400

15/12/1959

Principal

1,525

1,850

1,755

2,075

1/8/ and 15/12/1959

Assistant Principal

1,100

1,425

1,360

1,645

15/12/1959

Administrative Officer.

650

1,100

655

1,360

15/12/1959

Higher Executive Officer.

780

1,100

1,010

1,360

15/12/1959

Executive Officer

405

820

405

1,045

15/12/1959

Staff Officer

535

775

715

940

15/12/1959

Clerical Officer

326

580

326

714

15/12/1959

1961

Secretary

2,750

3,000

1/4/1960

Assistant Secretary

1,975

2,315

2,200

2,550

1/4/1960

Principal

1,525

1,850

1,755

2,075

Assistant Principal

1,100

1,425

1,360

1,645

Administrative Officer.

650

1,100

655

1,360

Higher Executive Officer.

780

1,100

1,010

1,360

Executive Officer

405

820

405

1,045

Staff Officer

535

775

715

940

Clerical Officer

326

580

326

714

1962

Secretary

3,095

3,375

1/11/1961

Assistant Secretary

2,220

2,605

2,475

2,870

1/11/1961

Principal

1,715

2,080

1,975

2,335

1/11/1961

Assistant Principal

1,265

1,605

1,580

1,865

1/11/1961

Administrative Officer.

800

1,265

800

1,580

22/3/ and 1/11/1961

Higher Executive Officer.

935

1,265

1,165

1,580

1/8/1961

Executive Officer

415

970

415

1,215

1/8/1961

Staff Officer

605

880

815

1,065

1/8/1961

Clerical Officer

326

655

326

814

21/4/1961

1963

Secretary

3,095

3,375

Assistant Secretary

2,220

2,605

2,475

2,870

Principal

1,715

2,080

1,975

2,335

1963

Assistant Principal

1,265

1,605

1,580

1,865

Administrative Officer.

800

1,265

800

1,580

Higher Executive Officer.

935

1,265

1,165

1,580

Executive Officer

415

970

415

1,215

Staff Officer

605

880

815

1,065

Clerical Officer.

326

655

326

814

1964

Secretary

3,605

3,930

1/1/1964

Assistant Secretary

2,585

3,035

2,885

3,345

1/1/1964

Principal

2,000

2,425

2,300

2,720

1/1/1964

Assistant Principal

1,470

1,870

1,840

2,175

1/1/1964

Administrative Officer.

895

1,470

895

1,840

1/1/1964

Higher Executive Officer.

1,110

1,470

1,380

1,840

1/1/1964

Executive Officer

480

1,145

480

1,430

1/1/1964

Staff Officer

800

1,025

1,000

1,280

1/1/1964

Clerical Officer

352

800

352

1,000

1/1/1964

1965

Secretary

4,040

4,400

1/2/1964

(from 1/4/1965)

(4,350)

(4,750)

Assistant Secretary

2,895

3,400

3,230

3,745

1/2/1964

(from 1/4/1965)

(2,895)

(3,500)

(3,230)

(3,850)

Principal

2,240

2,715

2,575

3,045

1/2/1964

Assistant Principal

1,645

2,095

2,060

2,435

1/2/1964

Administrative Officer.

1,000

1,645

1,000

2,060

1/2/1964

Higher Executive Officer.

1,245

1,645

1,545

2,060

1/2/1964

Executive Officer

540

1,280

540

1,600

1/2/1964

Staff Officer

895

1,150

1,120

1,435

1/2/1964

Clerical Officer

395

896

395

1,120

1/2/1964

Adjustments of Eighth Round Revisions

Grades

Effective Dates Applied

1. Departmental grades in the Department of Posts and Telegraphs.

1 October, 1963

2. Grades other than 1 and 3

1 January, 1964

3. Secretaries, Assistant Secretaries and grades on same pay levels.

1 January 1964 (part); 1 April, 1965 (remaining part).

Annual Cost

£4 million.

PERCENTAGE increases applied to minima and maxima of standard rates of pay.

Grade

Scale A

Scale B

Minimum

Maximum

Minimum

Maximum

Secretary

25.5

25.7

Deputy Secretary

23.6

24.1

Assistant Secretary

16.5

19.9

16.6

19.8

Principal

16.6

16.6

16.5

16.5

Assistant Principal

16.2

16.5

16.5

16.6

Administrative Officer

11.9

16.2

11.9

16.5

Higher Executive Officer

18.7

16.2

18.5

16.5

Executive Officer

15.7

18.0

15.7

17.7

Staff Officer

32.2

16.5

22.7

20.2

Clerical Officer

8.0

22.1

8.0

22.9

Does the Minister consider that the term "status" is a helpful term to use in this connection?

It seems to be a word commonly applied and commonly understood.

Does not it mean class A pay?

No. It seems to refer to a differential.

Was it not a case simply of adjustment of wages which had not been brought up to the proper standard?

A few people took advantage of that and got an extra increase and that was rightly considered as status increase. Most of it was not a status increase.