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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 26 Mar 1968

Vol. 233 No. 8

Private Members' Business. - An Bille Um An Tríú Leasú Ar An mBunreacht, 1968: An Dara Céim (Atógáil). Third Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 1968: Second Stage (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following amendment:
Go scriosfar na focail go léir i ndiaidh "Go" agus go gcuirfear ina n-ionad:—
"ndiúltaíonn Dáil Éireann an Dara Léamh a thabhairt don Bhille ar an bhforas gur togra atá neamh-dhaonlathach go bunúsach an togra sa Bhille suas le 40 faoin gcéad de bhreis ionadaíochta sa Dáil a thabhairt do roinnt saorá-nach thar mar a thabharfaí do shaoránaigh eile."
To delete all words after "That" and substitute:—
"Dáil Éireann declines to give a Second Stage Reading to the Bill on the grounds that the proposal in the Bill to provide some citizens with up to 40 per cent greater representation in the Dáil than other citizens is fundamentally undemocratic."
—(Deputy Cosgrave.)

As I was saying before Private Members' Time, there are three counties in my constituency. There is no other Deputy who depends on support from three counties. I live in the centre and I know from personal experience the troubles caused by having counties split up. There are different county councils. There is also the attitude of the people. It is hard to get people who lived all their lives in Mullingar or Kilbeggan to realise that they are now in Kildare constituency. They know when they are voting, but still if anything happens in the rest of the county of Westmeath, their minds turn immediately to it. When there was a controversy in Westmeath, I had the utmost trouble at my own meetings in getting the people to talk and think about what was happening in Kildare, and if I did not keep control of the meetings, they would talk about Westmeath. When Labour or Fine Gael representatives come into Kildare, they find they are with another body and they cannot feel at home, and it is the same with the people. When you have been used to one county, you like to stay there.

From my own experience, I am safe in saying that 85 or 90 per cent of the people who call to my house to see me live within a radius of 15 or 20 miles of the house. If I am to serve the rest of the people, I must go out and meet them in different parts of the constituency. I have offices all over the constituency and they can meet me there. People do not want to travel too far, and it is not fair to expect them to travel long distances to find their representative. If we had single-member constituencies, it would be quite simple. They would all know their Member of Parliament and he in turn would know their problems. He would know every single one of them and he would know all the roads and laneways in the area. It is very hard to get to know people over a big area. Those are some of the advantages of the single-member constituency.

There is no Member who would refuse to try to help someone who had worked against him at a previous election. I have often had people who worked against me at an election coming to me after a while—maybe not the next day but after a month or two—to do some favour for them, or to give them some assistance with a Department, to try to hurry up a grant or something like that.

According to the Minister for Local Government, that is a waste of time. He decried that type of work—the general public approaching Deputies about grants and so on.

I do not think the Deputy would refuse to do anything for any constituent.

It is not supposed to be part of your job.

If a person comes to me, it is my duty as an elected representative to do everything in my power to help to assist him, irrespective of his political affiliations. I have never asked anyone who came to me whether he voted for me, whether he was a member of the Party, or a supporter of the Party. I always take them at their face value and I think everyone in the House would do the same.

I agree with the Deputy, and I think he should condemn the action of the Minister for Local Government who stated something which reflected very much on the Members of the House. I am glad he condemned it.

If the Deputy agrees with me, I must be speaking the truth. Every member of the electorate should feel that with the single-member constituency, whether or not they supported a particular member, that member would represent them and do his utmost for them. The point has been brought out strongly by the Opposition that if people worked against a certain person who was elected they might not expect to get any assistance or any representation from that Member, or expect that he would see that they would get what was due to them. That is the important thing, that one should get one's rights. One must ensure that the Civil Service is providing what people are entitled to get, to prevent them from leaving something undone or forgetting something.

Debate adjourned.
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