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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 26 Feb 1970

Vol. 244 No. 11

Committee on Finance. - Adjournment Debate: Louth Dumping.

The question I tabled on today's Order Paper asked the Minister for Local Government if he has yet made a decision in relation to objections to a prohibition order made by Louth County Council; if he is aware that there is pollution of the beach and, if no decision has been made at the time of asking the question, when it can be expected. The Minister in reply said that he made an order last week. He ruled on the Louth County Council decision last week. When he was asked in a courteous way how he had ruled, whether for or against the council, he refused to give the information; he said he had not been asked for it.

I contend that Parliament is superior to Government. Parliament derives its power from the ballot box and the electorate and it behoves every one of us here to behave towards one another in a courteous manner. Naturally enough, we have our differences, but these should never be personal, and both Ministers and Deputies should, at all times, be courteous and helpful one to the other. I was left in the position that I could not in the course of my work, the work my constituents sent me here to do, inquire on their behalf because I did not know how the Minister had ruled. I was left in the position in which I could ask no supplementary questions, had you, Sir, permitted me to do so. I had to go to the telephone subsequently and ask the secretary of Louth County Council if he had received the information. The position is that the Minister had, indeed, ruled, as he said himself, last week. I accept his honesty in this regard completely.

Treating Deputies with courtesy and supplying information, when asked, is fundamental to our democracy. No Minister, no official, nobody at all, should be allowed to interfere with that. All of us who have been here for some time may on occasion sail pretty close to the wind, but most of us know how to keep within the limits of debate in order to avoid being ruled out of order. For a Minister to refuse to give the information I sought to get today is, in my opinion, the essence of discourtesy. It is indicative of the attitude this Minister adopts.

The subject matter of the question is of no consequence. If Louth County Council so wish, they can deal with this matter under other legislation. That is their right and, under that other legislation, they can, in my view, do what they want to do without referring to the Minister at all. If they were wrong in adopting a certain method which gave the Minister the right to annul the order made, they had the right to do wrong, if it was wrong, and the Minister had the right to annul. I fully support the Minister's right in that. All I wish to do is to point to the discourtesy of the Minister and underline the fact that a Member, elected here by universal suffrage, is put in a position in which, because of the discourtesy of the Minister, he cannot further inquire on behalf of his constituents.

Deputy Donegan's question was:

To ask the Minister for Local Government if he has yet made a decision in relation to objections made to a prohibition Order made by Louth County Council under section 31 of the Local Government Sanitary Services Act, 1948 in respect of an area at Clogherhead, County Louth; if he is aware that wide areas of the beach at Clogherhead were unable to be enjoyed by citizens in recent summers because of unauthorised dumping of foul material; and, if no decision has been made, when it can be expected.

The answer was that I had decided this case last week. I think that was an adequate and accurate answer to the question on the Order Paper. Deputy Donegan then proceeded to request information for which he had not asked in his original question. I suggest it is not unreasonable to expect a Deputy, when putting down a Parliamentary question, to ask for the information he actually requires—that is, if he requires any information at all. I have found that in the majority of the questions addressed to me the Deputy already has the information he requests.

This Deputy had not.

Questions are put down for some ulterior motive. If a Deputy wants information it is not unreasonable to expect him to ask for the information he wants and not for some other information. Deputy Donegan did not ask for the information he apparently wanted. He asked me if I had made a decision and, if I had not, when a decision was to be expected. I told him I had made a decision last week. Apparently what he really wanted to know was what the decision was.

I wanted the Minister to make a decision. He had it for two years.

What am I and my Department expected to do when we get anything from 20 to 60 questions? Are we to draft an answer to the questions as put down or are we expected to try to find out what, if anything, the Deputy really wants to know? It is only natural that my Department should assume that what the Deputy wants to know is what he asks. I know, of course, that that is not always the case. The more usual thing is that it is not the information requested that the Deputy really wants at all. Are we supposed to send out a trained private investigator to the constituency concerned to try to find out what political implication may be involved in the matter referred to in the question or are we to employ the services of a consultant psychoanalyst to try to explore the innermost recesses of the Deputy's mind to find out what it is he is really after? If we had done that in this case we might have discovered that the Deputy asking the question has a certain antipathy to the existence of caravans in his constituency so that, in addition to the public health grounds on which this order was made, the possibility of a nocturnal fight by the Deputy to the site might also have been adverted to. I just do not know. What I did was that I answered the question put down. That was the answer submitted to me by my Department and I think it was reasonable for my officials to submit an answer to the question as tabled. That is the only realistic way in which Parliamentary questions can be answered. If Deputies want some other information, then the reasonable thing to do is to put down a question asking for that information, and not a question asking for some information in which they are not interested.

Might I submit the Minister is not logical?

The Deputy may ask a question.

The Minister did not answer the second part of the question. Since he gives a logical exposition here, then he should be logical himself, but he was not logical.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.10 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Tuesday, 4th March, 1970.

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