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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 3 Jun 1971

Vol. 254 No. 6

Committee on Finance. - Vote 26: Local Government (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
Go ndeonófar suim nach mó ná £13,762,000 chun íoctha an mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31ú lá de Mhárta, 1972, le haghaidh tuarastail agus costais Oifig an Aire Rialtais Áitiúil, a chuimsíonn deontais do na húdaráis áitiúla, deontais agus costais eile i dtaca le tithíocht, agus scéimeanna agus deontais ilghnéitheacha, lena n-áirítear deontais-i-gcabhair.
—(Minister for Local Government.)

Prior to Questions I had been adverting to the desirability of maintaining maximum employment in local authorities. I had indicated my belief that the number employed by county councils has been falling in recent years, that machinery and so on tends more and more to replace labour in county council work, and I was seeking to impress on the Minister the urgency and the importance of maintaining maximum employment in rural areas. It may seem to be economically wise, but I submit it is not socially desirable that we should of deliberate purpose run down the number employed by local authorities in the interest of mere efficiency.

Employment in rural Ireland is very important, all the more so at present by reason of the large numbers who, because of deliberate Government policy, have been added to the unemployment register, the scrap heap, through the withdrawal of the dole. This is an additional army of unemployed and I am seeking to emphasise the importance of ensuring that when it comes to the preparation of work schedules they should be so designed as to ensure maximum labour content.

In respect of some aspects of local government policy, an endeavour has been made to ensure that this desirable social policy is adhered to, but I am afraid it is being departed from of late. This is particularly true in respect of what was commonly known as the employment relief grants at Christmas. It was true to a large extent in respect of the Local Authorities (Works) Act. It was a desirable social feature of those schemes that they were so planned by our engineers to provide maximum employment for human beings. It would be a tragedy to depart from that very desirable social policy in the interests of mere efficiency, especially as local authorities provide very largely—upwards of 50 per cent at least—of the revenue for such works. It is only right and proper that members of local authorities in determining the rate should have some effective say in the spending of the millions of pounds garnered through the rating system.

There is little industrial activity in rural Ireland. There is little employment in agriculture, where it is diminishing year by year, and there is a rush away from the country into cities and towns and abroad. The only employment which seems to be available is with the semi-State bodies such as Bord na Móna, the ESB and the Post Office. In such circumstances one cannot blame unemployed people, whole families, entire rural communities, for looking to local authorities for employment. Therefore, it would be very callous, unpatriotic and irresponsible of the Government and the Minister if they ignored this human factor which I am pleading for here. A feature in our local authorities which is becoming more and more evident is that there are what I might term more officers than men in the sense of engineers, staff officers, clerical officers and the like being more numerous than the labouring classes. In any local authority today there seem to be more engineers than men. I am seeking to rectify that imbalance and to implement the policy announced by the late Taoiseach, Seán Lemass, when he said that the essence of good government is the provision of jobs quickly.

I am therefore asking the Minister for Local Government to keep that in mind because it was never so badly needed as it is now with 71,000 registered unemployed and 17,000 more because of the deliberate action of the Government in regard to the dole. In addition there are large numbers coming out of schools and more men are opting for retirement at 65.

I cannot allow this opportunity to pass without reverting to the Local Authorities (Works) Act. I know it is still on the Statute Book but when Fianna Fáil came back to power in 1957 they sabotaged it of set purpose by withdrawing the moneys required to fund it. That was a retrograde step. The Act was brought into being by the Labour Minister for Local Government, Deputy Murphy, and it proved invaluable to all local authorities who initiated so many essential work schemes. Through that Act thousands of pounds found their way to the local authorities enabling them to repair roads, to build and repair bridges, to drain rivers and effectively to deal with flooding. It enabled the local authorities to go into the bed of the stream or river and carry out essential drainage work. We all know to our sorrow how urgently required a facility of this kind is at the present time. We are all obliged to protest here annually and demand some remedial measures for the recurring flooding and the damage which results from such flooding in our respective areas.

The damage accruing from constant and recurring flooding is very costly. Apart from the many thousands of acres of arable land which are inundated, the loss and deprivation of livestock, property, houses and sometimes even of human life as a result of this flooding, which local authorities are unable to cope with despite their best endeavours, is a great national loss. The loss of the Local Authorities (Works) Act is incalculable. One only has to read the daily or evening papers to observe that more and more local authorities are clamouring either for the reintroduction of the Local Authorities (Works) Act or for the provision of the capital required to fund this essential public service.

The stock answer for refusing to bring back this measure is that much of the money spent at that time by Mr. T.J. Murphy, the then Minister and his colleagues, was wasted. That is not merely untrue; it is a libel on those great men. The money most certainly was not wasted. We have to admit there was an administrative omission in the sense that there was no obligation for maintenance work to be carried out. It would be a simple, procedural, legislative device to ensure that when moneys were expended for purposes of this kind under the Local Authorities (Works) Act the scheme should be taken in charge by the local authority and maintained thereafter, as is the procedure in respect of roads. It is not good enough to say that money was wasted because there was no follow through. This can and should be remedied. I therefore make no apology for demanding once again in the interests of local authorities, in the interests of employment and in the interests of the economy generally, the reintroduction of this very desirable scheme.

In thinking in terms of employment and the provision of amenities, especially those amenities which local authorities are able to provide of their own volition out of their own slender resources, I want to place on record my personal disgust and indignation— and I use these words in the strict sense and positively so—at the removal of the moneys required to fund the unemployment relief grant at Christmas time. The deletion of this money from the Budget two years ago was a particularly callous act——

The Minister for Local Government would not have any responsibility for the Budget.

He administered it and it would be his duty to see to it that this money was maintained in the Budget for this essential service. This grant was administered by the Minister for Local Government and he must share the responsibility for its withdrawal, all the more so because it was money provided to ensure that the large army of unemployed people are at least employed around Christmas time so that none would go in want around the holy season. It meant the difference between happiness and misery for thousands of workers and their families at a time when we all strive to ensure that we have a happy and contented community.

The work was specifically designed to provide the maximum labour content. The local authorities themselves contributed towards the grant and much valuable work was carried out. The withdrawal of these essential moneys was a deplorable act which meant the difference between happiness and sorrow for many thousands of unemployed people at Christmas time. It made a mockery of their sufferings and I am asking—I hope this is the appropriate time to do it—the Minister to insist that the necessary money be put back into the Budget next year. I have had many questions down expressing the urgent necessity of bringing this grant scheme back. The Minister's answers were that it was deleted in the Budget and consequently there was nothing he could do about it.

These are important matters for rural Ireland. When one considers the large amount of money expended by the State and the economies which could have been effected without interfering with this scheme, which was designed to help the least well off sections of the community, the action is all the more reprehensible. I hope the Minister will be determined enough to see to it that, if and when economies are to be effected in budgetary policies and the like, they are not done at the expense of the least well off section of society, doing a disservice to the unemployed and to the local authorities.

If I may advert to another aspect of housing policy, apart from the desirability of building new houses the Minister has the obligation to maintain old dwellings and assist people to maintain them by way of grants and so on. This is being done to some extent but one would wish the grants were increased in proportion to the increased cost of building materials and other costs. I am concerned here with those categories of persons who by reason of their lack of financial means are unable to avail of the grants for repair, reconstruction and the like and whose homes are in dire need of repair. The only alternative available to this category of people is to seek to secure what we might call an emergency repair grant by the local authority under section 23 of the Housing Act. The Minister referred to this section and intimated that he thinks that as much as can be done under this section has been done.

This is a very important measure. It can be an emergency repair for a poor widow or an old couple living alone in a house which is literally falling down around them. Some of those houses are even dangerous to live in. Many of them are open to the elements. It is vitally important where the local authority is unable or unwilling to rehouse those people in the normal way that they should be able to go in and make that house at least wind and weather-proof and as comfortable as possible within the limited resources of this section 23 grant system.

Many of our local authorities have done this work but again one of the difficulties is that the money so expended seems to be a once for all grant. There is no follow up, no attempt to continue maintenance and within a relatively short time we find deterioration has set in all over again so that the money already expended is simply wasted. Those unfortunate people are then back in their old predicament. The solution may well lie in deciding, first of all, whether that old hovel was really capable of repair at reasonable cost. Nine times out of ten you will find that money should not have been spent on some of those old houses. Those people should be provided with alternative housing by way of low cost prefabricated structures of some type. The real solution, of course, to this problem is more houses for the aged. That is why I would like to see acceleration of the drive to provide homes for the aged in rural areas as well as in the cities. We tend to forget about the old people in rural Ireland, some of whom live in hovels.

Difficulty is also experienced by those people who have purchased their homes from county councils or corporations, so-called vested tenants, who are unable to find the money for urgent repairs. In many instances these people are prepared to hand back their homes to the county councils. There seems to be a marked reluctance on the part of county councils to repossess those houses, put the tenants back again under their tenancy agreements and carry out the essential repairs. The Minister should take a personal interest in this important matter and where it is shown that the vested tenants are unable or unwilling to carry out essential repairs and where there is agreement for the county councils to repossess those cottages this should be done expeditiously.

I very much regret the withdrawal in very large measure of loans to persons who wish to purchase existing old houses. Loans from local authorities are confined in the main to the erection of new houses. It is regrettable, due to the need for economy, that loans for the purchase of existing old houses have very largely been withdrawn. They may be made available in certain circumstances but these are such as to make it virtually impossible to secure a loan for the purchase of a house on the property market.

This was a very important facility for ordinary working class people whereby they could go to an auctioneer's office and compete on the property market for homes of their own. They were facilitated by way of loans from their local authorities for this purpose. This is an important corollary to rehousing, as we know. Loans are being withdrawn for this purpose unless you are an approved applicant for rehousing by your local authority and you must prove conclusively to your housing authority that you sought, and failed to secure, this loan from alternative sources, such as building agencies, insurance corporations and the like.

I want to emphasise the importance of this facility. I want too, despite the shortage of capital, to ask the Minister to instruct local authorities to make some money available for this essential purpose. The purchase of houses on the property market is the preserve of people of capital in this country, the people whose assets are such that they can go to a bank or a lending agency and obtain money. The ordinary working class people are now cut off from this essential facility because of the action of the Minister for Local Government and his officers in instructing local authorities that they were to reserve capital resources for new house building only.

New house building is very desirable but equally important is the ability to get a loan to purchase an existing house if it comes your way and is within your means. That is the reason why I raised this very important matter here.

There are other matters I should like to refer to such as the implementation of the Buchanan plan, and the acceleration of the provision of piped water and sanitary services where people have not got those services. This should be a top priority because only half the people of this country have piped water and flushed toilets available to them. I also want to deal with the matter of pollution.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
The Dáil adjourned at 5 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Tuesday, 8th June, 1971.
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