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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 19 Apr 1977

Vol. 298 No. 7

Private Members' Business. - Building and Construction Industry: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann is gravely concerned with the continuing decline in the building and construction industry and calls on the Government to take immediate steps to remedy the situation.

The building and construction industry in this country is the barometer by which the economy is judged. It is our most sensitive industry in this respect. If prosperity is on the way, as so many Ministers would like us to believe in this election year, it must show itself in a worthwhile upward movement in the industry. Of course, the facts are contrary to that: far from showing an improvement the industry is going steadily downhill.

We on this side of the House have presented the case for the building and construction industry here on many occasions over the past three years. We have underlined the fact, proven by statistics, that the industry is in a critical condition and that Government policy was contributing in no small way to its decline. We advocated the measures we are convinced are necessary to rehabilitate it. It was no pleasure for us to find that our warnings proved to be true. We now despair of getting any worthwhile or positive reaction from the Government or the Minister on this very important matter. Idleness is rife in the construction industry at a time when the queues of people awaiting houses grow longer and longer and when the roads have deteriorated to a point where they are more reminiscent of the twenties and thirties than of the last quarter of the 20th century.

It is obvious to all concerned that no steps will be taken by the Government to stop the increasingly rapid decline in the industry much less put it on the road to progress. It is equally clear that only a change of Government, which will generate badly-needed confidence in the industry, can result in a positive, constructive approach to its development.

While we await the desired intention of the Taoiseach to call a general election, we must continue in our efforts to convince the Government to accept what everybody else knows to be a fact, that is, that there is a crisis in the industry. If this had been accepted by the Minister and the Government, some progress could have been made because acceptance of it would have generated the necessary drive to overcome the problem. For so long as the Minister refuses to acknowledge that there is a problem in the industry, so long will we await a solution. Meanwhile, employment in the building and construction industry will continue to fall.

The Minister for Finance has accepted that the Coalition financial policy has been a disaster and he has attempted to reverse his policy with the aid of published Fianna Fáil documents. In that situation I cannot see why the Minister for Local Government would not do likewise.

The total number of houses completed in 1976 fell by 4,094 as compared with 1975, a drop of 15 per cent. This fall was reflected in both the public and private sectors of the house building industry. These are cold statistics contained in the Local Government Quarterly Housing Bulletin. Does the Minister accept the figures of his own Department? The fact is that he does not. He says they are too low. I would draw attention to the fact that the Department were producing high figures for house completions in spite of all the signs to the contrary, such as unemployment in the industry and a fall in cement sales. Did we ever hear a suggestion from the Minister that the high figures could be regarded as incorrect? Far from it. The Minister defended those figures and charged anybody who questioned them with questioning the integrity of civil servants. The facts are there and the Minister will not get away with the suggestion that figures are correct only when they suit him.

He has now decided to use a new system of calculation of house completions—the ESB data on their meter installations. Provided such changes are made by the ESB, this system in the long term could be useful; but in the short term it appears to me to be a very opportune change in this election year particularly if we are to use the figures which will be produced for comparative purposes. Formerly a completed house became a completed house when the final portion of the State grant was paid, and such payment was made some time after the house had been completed and occupied, in many instances months and even years later. With the new system a house can be calculated as having been completed when the ESB have connected it. The ESB can have connected before the house has been completed.

I could give examples of houses completed in March, 1977 which could be connected immediately and they would then figure in the quarterly bulletin in the number of houses completed for the quarter ended 31st March, 1977, although a house completed in March, 1975, would not have the final payment of the grant until a year later and would not therefore have figured in the Department's housing statistics. Therefore, any comparisons between housing statistics for the quarter ending March, 1977, and previously would be spurious. I have no doubt the Department will compare them with previous quarterly statistics and will say that the figures for 1976 were incorrect.

While still on the matter of comparisons, might I point out that the downward trend in local authority houses completed continued at an accelerated rate in January, 1977. In January, 1976, 580 houses were built compared with 275 in January, 1977, a fall of 53 per cent. This, of course, was to be expected when we note the consistent fall in the number of local authority houses under construction or at the tender or planning stages from 1975 to date. In January, 1975, 34,739 houses were at those various stages of construction. In January, 1976, the figure was 32,015, a drop of about 8 per cent; and in January, 1977, it was 29,129, a further drop of 9 per cent.

This, in my view, is the really serious aspect of the whole matter because when we have a sharp fall in the construction, tender and planning stages we must accept a considerable drop in the number of completions. The number of local authority houses at the planning stage fell by 2.530 in January, 1977, as compared with January, 1976, that is, 14 per cent.

Whatever the Minister may say about incorrect figures in relation to completions in 1976, the fact remains that the trend throughout the local authority housing programme shows the same decline, and the same trend runs through the private sector if one judges from statements made by those in a position to know. It is very difficult to get meaningful figures from the Department of Local Government in regard to trends in the private sector of the industry. I have tried to get them on a number of occasions without success. This is an indifferent way to run a Department. It is necessary that statistics of this kind should be available to us so that we can have a clearer view of the exact situation. It has appeared to me at times that there is a section in the Department whose main function is to produce figures with such a series of variations that unless one was to spend a considerable time trying to decipher them one would find it impossible to make head or tail of them.

If we look at cement sales on the home market we will find the same gloomy picture as in the house completion figures. Cement sales in 1976 were slightly up as compared with 1975 but we must remember that the sales in 1975 were low, and we find a return to declining sales in the last quarter of 1976 as compared with 1975, and a particularly severe fall in January, 1977 as compared with January, 1976. In reply to a question which I put to the Taoiseach today asking for total sales of cement on the home market and the percentage fall in January and February of 1976 and January and February, 1977, I was told that the total sales of cement in the former period were 211,600 tons. The sales for the latter period were given as 186,800 tons, the drop being 12 per cent. I do not have to point out that this is a very serious matter in the context of the consequences for employment in the industry. I would point out also that sales of cement to farmers increased considerably in 1976 and although this, of course, is a good thing in itself, it did not help to build many extra domestic dwellings because the cement would have been used for other farming purposes. Neither did it increase the number of building workers in employment.

The public capital programme for housing in 1977 was not increased by a penny in the budget allocation. It shows a fall at current prices of £13.4 million, or 11 per cent on the money made available for housing in the public capital programme for 1975. If one were to take the relative amounts at constant prices, taking inflation into account, the fall became a catastrophic one of £39.9 million, or 35 per cent. Is it any wonder we have a crisis in the construction and building industry? Yet, despite all the statistical evidence available to the Government and the Minister, they have refused to acknowledge that there is any crisis or problem in the industry.

Before I leave the public capital programme I should like to point out that the percentage of the public capital programme devoted to the building and construction industry has fallen since 1975 when the percentage was 38.6. In 1976 it was 33.5 and in 1977 21.9, and it took an election year to prise a little more money from the Exchequer for the building and construction programme. Even with the extra money made available in the budget, the percentage this year is still below the 1976 level in productive terms. Let me again underline the fact that there was a considerable drop in real terms in the money made available for building and construction in the 1977 budget as compared with 1975. In estimating the situation I took relatively low inflation rates, 18 per cent for 1976 and 14 per cent in 1977. I know now that these rates are very much too low. In reality, the percentage fall was much greater.

The Central Bank in its winter report for 1976 stated that investment in the industry fell, but what I consider to be of enormous importance is that the Government in 1976 deliberately chose to underspend by many millions of pounds the amounts allocated in the public capital programme for that year. And of course all of the matters I have referred to—the drop in the amount of money in the public capital programme for housing, the failure of the Government to provide anything extra in the budget, the fall in investment in the industry—have resulted not only in a severe drop in the number of houses being constructed but have had a catastrophic effect on employment in the industry. In reply to a recent question to the Taoiseach asking for the average number employed in the industry in 1974, 1975 and 1976, the figures I got, to April in each year, were 72,000, 66,000 and 60,000, a fall of 12,000 since 1974, and the trend is continuing.

The real gravity lies in the fact that the industry, properly financed and injected with much needed confidence, is the one industry that could contribute and quickly generate a considerable number of jobs and help in a positive way to ease the frighteningly high unemployment. Since 1974, the public capital programme and the lack of adequate provision in budgets show that from a practical point of view this Government have nothing to offer.

I have stated on many occasions that it is futile and thoroughly misleading to quote comparative amounts of money spent in the industry without having due regard for the horrific inflation problem from which we are suffering, the highest in the EEC. In 1972-73. Fianna Fáil built approximately 22,000 dwellings for £52 million, and last year the Government built the same number for £112 million. Of course, the number of pounds spent is not the basic matter but rather what the pounds produce in terms of buildings and general construction. I have no doubt the Minister will tell us that the Coalition spent £X million compared with £Y million spent by Fianna Fáil, but this has no relevance unless it can be shown that the extra money provided more houses and more jobs. The opposite is the truth.

I have shown numbers in relation to houses built and I should like now to tell the House that the number employed in the industry fell dramatically, even though the money was more than doubled. The gross output of the construction industry for 1974, 1975 and the estimated figure for 1976 was: 1974, £458 million; 1975, £527 million; and 1976, £627 million. On paper this appears to be a worthwhile increase but if one takes the gross output at constant prices there is a very different picture, the figures being, for the years mentioned, £196 million; £188 million and £189 million, a fall of 4 per cent between 1974 and 1976 in real terms. They are all official statistics, not mine. The building and construction industry itself is convinced that the fall is in reality much greater, that the overall drop in construction work has been about 10 per cent. The Central Bank report published in January showed a drop of 6.3 per cent in volume in house building. I would point out again that cement sales on the home market in 1976 were considerably lower than in 1974 despite the fact that 1974 was a bad year for the building societies.

In an industry which in everybody's view, except obviously the Government's, is capable of a really worthwhile development the present situation is disastrous. Many statements by the Government, by the Taoiseach and by the Minister for Local Government at the openings of housing schemes and elsewhere that the State is providing so many millions for building construction work and building societies, banks and insurance companies are providing so many more millions have very little merit if as a result of all these efforts we have now a situation where there were 4,000 fewer houses built in 1976 as compared with 1975 and almost 25,000 building and construction workers unemployed.

The Government have on a number of occasions boasted about the number of local authority houses that have been built. But what has not been alluded to is the fact that, because the Minister for Local Government has persistently refused to increase the SDA maximum loan level and the qualifying income limit for such a loan and because he has removed the right to State grants from a very large percentage of those who had previously been entitled to them, he has thereby pushed large numbers of people who would normally have built their own houses on to local authority housing lists, far more people indeed than he can accommodate in the extra houses that are claimed to be built, so that the last state of these people in relation to their housing needs is worse than their first.

There was a fall of over 1,500 local authority houses in 1976 compared with 1975 and that has exacerbated the whole situation. I said before, and I propose to continue saying it, that the building and construction industry, if properly financed and directed, could provide a substantial increase in employment in a short space of time without any detrimental effect on our balance of payments. Most of the materials used are home produced and the construction industry is the ideal industry to help counteract the effects of the recession, a recession for which the Government have a considerable responsibility. If one is to judge by the fact that there is not one extra penny in the budget for housing then it is true to say that the Government show very little concern for the 25,000 building workers who are unemployed not to speak of the thousands of others who became redundant in ancillary industries. A 100 per cent increase in unemployment among building workers in the space of two short years is totally unacceptable. The only reason these people lost their employment was because of the incompetence of the Government in relation to the provision of proper financial resources for house building and other construction work. The percentage of the total labour force in the construction industry now out of work has risen by 18.8 per cent to 22.1 per cent.

It is deplorable at a time when we have well over 115,000 people unemployed to find so many people unable to get homes of their own. The industry could do a great deal to reduce this horrifying unemployment figure. Any suggestions put forward by us to remedy this shocking situation are met with one answer only and, paradoxically, that answer takes the form of a question: we are invariably asked whether we are aware that there is a financial crisis. The answer is of course we are aware of it but we are also aware that even a tiny percentage of the total amount of money now needed after four years of Coalition Government to service the national debt would be sufficient to put this industry on its feet. We are also aware that whatever this Government may do we, in Fianna Fáil, are not willing to stand aside while thousands of our unemployed could be placed in employment. I reject entirely the philosophy of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Taoiseach who said on one occasion here, when I stated what we proposed to do, that what I was proposing would not grow on a blade of grass. In so far as we are concerned we recognise a very serious unemployment problem and we believe in taking the necessary steps to resolve it.

What can we do then to help to revive this ailing industry? The first step in my view is to adopt the Fianna Fáil policy announced last September and inject £30 million extra into the construction industry. This would provide an estimated 5,000 extra jobs in this hard pressed industry. I see no reason why this Government, who are clearly bereft of any worthwhile ideas, should not adopt this proposal having already stolen a large part of our policy and incorporated it in the now moribund Green Paper. A study of our financial proposals pinpoints where the money will come from. The confidence which a change of Government would, of course, engender would undoubtedly see a flow of home-based money being made available.

Let me repeat the demand that the SDA loans and the qualifying income limit be raised to realistic levels. The substitutes provided by the Minister have shown themselves to be ineffective. This demand which was initiated by us has now got the backing of local authorities, trade unions and employer bodies and even of the Labour Party at one of their annual conventions. This scheme was the backbone of the private sector of the house building industry and it has been virtually wiped out by the deliberate action of the Minister and the Government. Whole categories of people whose nominal incomes have increased above the limit while their living standards have been reduced are no longer eligible. Large numbers of families are being forced on to the ever-lengthening local authority housing lists where many will remain for years before getting houses.

There is scarcely any need for me to recapitulate the situation in relation to SDA loans. It has been done very often here but with no effect on the Minister or on the Government. Briefly, the maximum SDA loan is £4,500 and the qualifying income limit is £3,350. The situation has remained so since May, 1973, when the average price of an SDA loan house was £5,900. Remember, at that time everybody was entitled to a State grant and very many to supplementary grants as well which meant the borrower had to save only a relatively small amount to put himself in the position to build or buy his own house. Today the loan and the qualifying limit remain the same. There is no grant of any kind available and the average price of the SDA loan house is now approximately £9,000.

There is no need to dwell further on the matter except to say that understandably the drop in the number of loan applications has been catastrophic. We had an excuse from the Minister for Finance. He gave a rather peculiar reason as to why the number of applications for loans had dropped. The basic fact is that these SDA loans were intended for people in the lower income group to give them an opportunity of building or purchasing their own homes. This opportunity has now been taken from them by the Government. My party believe in encouraging young people of initiative to develop and make progress in whatever field. Indeed, the greatest damage done by the Coalition Government is the stultifying of initiative and the destruction of the confidence of the people and particularly of the young in the future of the country. When we return to Government shortly we will increase the loan limits and we will raise the qualifying income limit to realistic levels thereby giving our young people once again the opportunity to build or buy their own homes and, at the same time, give a much needed boost to the hard-pressed building industry.

I mentioned before that we propose to invest a further £30 million in the building and construction industry, to raise the SDA loans and qualifying limits to realistic levels, to remove rates from dwelling houses and to make worthwhile grants available to first purchasers. I believe that these proposals of ours will create the confidence and the drive and initiative to once again put this great industry on its feet and to provide homes for our people and much needed employment for, as I mentioned before, the very many unemployed building workers who are now lengthening the queues outside the employment exchanges.

The most recent blow inflicted by the Minister on the construction industry was the curtailment of grants for housing reconstruction. Reconstruction grants are now available only to those whose valuation is under £10 in rural areas, under £15 in urban areas and under £20 in city areas, where heretofore everybody was entitled to a reconstruction grant and a supplementary reconstruction grant. This effectively cuts down on the number of people employed, particularly in the smaller construction companies.

There is another aspect of this matter which should create concern. Some years ago An Foras Forbartha submitted a report to the Minister on our housing stock which the Minister, in reply to a Dáil question by me, stated was not as complete as he would like it and had it returned to An Foras Forbartha for further consideration. In reply to a more recent question by me, the Minister stated that he had not yet received the further report but that he hoped to have it by October. At the moment we can only judge what our housing stock is like by a comparison with the situation in Northern Ireland. If we are to judge by the statistics on housing stock in Northern Ireland and if we reckon that there must be a close similarity between their stock and ours, then a relatively high proportion of our housing stock must be in a bad way and if it is not seen to immediately will have deteriorated past the point of no return.

This is a very serious situation indeed and does not suggest that the present is a time when we should cut back on reconstruction grants. The reverse is true. Far from cutting back on grants we should be making grants available which would help bring existing houses in need of reconstruction up to modern standards. This is something to which we shall give serious consideration.

For many years we took our roads for granted. There were relatively few complaints. More and more roads were being improved and more and more dust-free roads were being made available. The roads were being properly maintained and the financial provision was fairly adequate. Today there are few areas in relation to which so many complaints, and justifiable complaints at that, are being made. Roads have deteriorated to such an extent that, as I said earlier, they are more reminiscent of the twenties and thirties than they are of the last quarter of the twentieth century. Even major roads show potholes, while many of our major roads have deteriorated to a very grave extent.

In this day and age, when road transport has become a vital sector of our economic development, this situation is deplorable. It must be quickly rectified if we are to get our economy going again and if we are to provide for the motorist the facilities which are his due and for which he is paying dearly. The basic cause of the serious deterioration in our roads is the lack of Government concern and the poor financial assistance for road building and road maintenance. At a time when the Government claim to be removing health charges and housing subsidies from the rates—something which they have since, in part, reneged on—they were at the same time increasing the proportion of expenditure on roads with money derived from rates and reducing the percentage being made available by the State. In real terms over the past four years the State's contribution dropped by 27 per cent. In 1960 the total road mileage was 51,463 and by 1973 the figure had increased to 55,306, which was an increase of 3,843 miles or 3.8 per cent. I have not been able to get statistics for 1974 to 1976, but it is obvious there was an increase then too.

Over the last ten years the vehicle population has increased by 44 per cent and fuel consumption has increased by 73 per cent, all of which would indicate that roads are required to carry more traffic more frequently; this causes road deterioration, and a high degree of maintenance is necessary. However, between 1973 and 1976 1,000 road workers have been made redundant at a time when the figure should have been increased. Not only that, but because the flow of road building material was reduced there were many more redundancies in ancillary employment such as quarrying. Again this is an area where employment could be created quickly.

Grants to local authorities amounted to £21 million in 1974, £20 million in 1975 and £20 million in 1976. If one were to take these amounts in real terms they would show a dramatic fall in the amount of money being made available by the State for road work. This year of course, an election year, an increase was granted, but in real terms the amount given would not equal the 1975 grant and, in fact, in 1976 it would have been necessary, instead of making £20 million available, to make £34 million available if the same amount of work was to be done as was done in 1976 with the £21 million.

The Deputy might agree that, with little time left, we are leaving the building and construction industry for another sector. The motion is dealing with building and reconstruction.

This is construction. In my view, the Government have great power to influence the fortunes of the building and construction industry. Directly and indirectly, they finance a very high proportion of the total development. There is a growing population since Fianna Fáil ended emigration, and our rate of growth in this industry must be greater than that which has taken place over the past two decades.

The Deputy's time is now up.

The rate of growth in the construction industry in the 1960's was 8 per cent. The average annual growth for the first six years of the decade has been between 2 per cent and 3 per cent. The decline in the past two-and-a-half years has cancelled out to a great extent the development under Fianna Fáil in the earlier part of the decade. The Government are incapable of making the necessary decisions or of getting their priorities right. As Fianna Fáil were successful before, after previous Coalitions, in putting the economy on its feet, it will take Fianna Fáil to put it on its feet once again.

The Government willingly concede and fully acknowledge that the building and construction industry is one of our major industries and we in no way wish to diminish the importance of that industry to the economy. It is necessary that the industry should remain in a healthy state, and I think it is fair to say that, despite the generally depressed state of the economy in recent years, the industry is still in a very sound condition and is continuing to improve.

I was rather taken aback by the only solution put forward by the Fianna Fáil Party here this evening, namely, that the total capital programme for the industry should be increased by £30 million. The Fianna Fáil Party are being alarmingly conservative, because I think it is fair to say that this year the gross output of the industry should be at least £750 million. What do we get from Fianna Fáil? In a year of major policy innovations, when philosophical economists are being foisted and airlifted in constituencies, what does one get? A suggestion that the total expenditure in the industry should be increased by £30 million or 4 per cent. Fianna Fáil are being very conservative, to say the least. The industry itself will generate far more than that figure this year in real terms and I have no doubt that the improvement in the general economic situation will put the Fianna Fáil figure almost into irrelevancy.

Great play has been made by Deputy Faulkner of sales of cement. Home sales of cement, which traditionally offer a very good general indication of trends in output in the industry, were up about 3.3 per cent in 1976 compared with 1975 and we expect that the sales of cement this year will maintain this improvement. I would, therefore, suggest to the Fianna Fáil Party that, despite very substantial increases in costs in the industry last year and this year, nevertheless there will be a very reasonable increase in projected output in real terms in 1977. That output increase should certainly be at least another 4 per cent in 1977. The construction industry always tends, being at least six or eight months behind, to mirror the general improvement in the economic situation. With the drop in inflation in the economy now and with the improvement in interest rates in the economy now, it is fair to say that by the middle of 1977 the construction industry will mirror that general improvement.

I would also suggest that the construction industry will be very strongly influenced this year by direct inputs such as the Government's allocations of the public capital programme, the provisions in the various Estimates for current public expenditure, such as roads and local authority housing maintenance, and certainly the mortgage finance expected to be available both from the Exchequer and the main commercial lending institutions will give a substantial impetus to the industry in 1977. I would point out that the Government deliberately decided on a public capital allocation for this year affecting the construction industry and a total input of no less than £350 million approximately. That represents an increase in current terms of 20 per cent compared with the 1976 allocation of just under £293 million.

I must confess that I think the Fianna Fáil Party do the nation very little credit and give very little confidence to construction firms, cement producing firms, allied industrial firms and building workers. They sell them very, very short by predicting and confidently asserting that we are in a state of total slump in the construction industry when in fact we are not; by confidently asserting that we are in a state of depression when we are not and that there is a major recession in the industry. There is not. The industry is going through a difficult period. It is surviving and it is growing at a relatively reasonable rate. It is not growing as fast as we would wish but it is not at all the kind of second-hand industry which the Fianna Fáil Party are making it out to be at this stage of our economic development.

There has been a massive increase in the public capital programme. It shows that the Government have kept the needs of the industry well to the forefront when allocating the scarce capital resources available. The Government provided an additional injection of about £20 million in the recent budget in addition to the public capital allocation. This money will be used for the construction of schools. One reads week after week of new tenders being signed and new school projects being sanctioned, of public buildings, of advance factories and factories, of roads and telephones. There have been more telephone installations in the past three years than in the last ten years of the Fianna Fáil administration. The figures are there for all to see. That is one example. There has been more harbour development and more farm building in the past three years and in addition the current revenue expenditure affecting building and construction is expected to amount to £116 million this year compared to about £100 million in 1976, an increase of 16 per cent.

One can see the advertisements in last evening's newspapers in Dublin. I read both the Evening Herald and the Evening Press, lest there be any suggestion of partisanship. There were at least a dozen advertisements in last night's Evening Press looking for bricklayers, builders' labourers and so on. They are required by firms such as Fitzgeralds of Blackrock and Sisks. There are vacancies for JCB drivers, concrete finishers and labourers. There are bricklayers required in Wicklow town and labourers in Castleknock. There has been a substantial improvement. There was an advertisement in the Evening Herald on the 16th April offering jobs for concrete labourers in Clondalkin.

There has been a growth in the number of skilled workers required in the industry and it very much illbecomes Deputy Faulkner and his colleague to come into the House when in 1973 there was not a piddling whimper from them about the fact that there were 14,000 or 15,000 construction workers idle. Deputy Faulkner is one of the few front bench members of the Fianna Fáil Party whom I regard with a degree of friendship and with a great degree of respect. It is fair to point out to him that in January, 1972, there were 15,000 people unemployed in the construction industry. In January, 1973, there were 14,500 unemployed and I willingly concede that that figure has grown by no less than 10,000 in the past four years. That is a measure of the substantial degree of redundancy in the industry but one would be very foolish not to take into account that it is an indication of major productivity changes in this industry, major changes in construction techniques, and that is a factor not much underlined. To suggest, as has been assiduously suggested by the Fianna Fáil Party, that the Coalition are solely responsible for 25,000 workers in the construction industry being on the live register is nonsense. Nobody knows that better than the Fianna Fáil Party because throughout the last four or five years of their office at any time there were anything from 12,000 to 15,000 construction workers unemployed in the industry which is an industry of considerable fluctuation of employment and in addition considerable labour mobility.

Deputy Faulkner referred to housing. I concede that housing is perhaps the most important area of the building and construction industry. It accounts for no less than one-third of the total output in the industry. In the last four years since the National Coalition Government came into power there has been an unprecedented upsurge in housing activity, and I challenge any Fianna Fáil speaker in that regard. We in the Coalition set ourselves a target of 25,000 new houses a year and the figures that are now available show that not less than 100,000 new houses were completed during the four years from 1st April, 1973 to 31st March, 1977. This represents an average of at least 25,017 new houses a year, and this achievement cannot be over-praised in comparison with the Fianna Fáil new house completions figure of 167,136 for their last 16 years in office. The average of Fianna Fáil's completions in the last 16 years of their office was simply 10,446 new houses a year. Of our total of at least 100,000 houses about 28,000 have been provided by local authorities in the past four years compared with 20,500 new local authority houses provided in the previous four years. We have provided 7,500 more local authority houses in the four years than were provided in the preceding four years of the Fianna Fáil Government, and this reflects the Government's commitment to a proper social housing programme. We have provided an increased number of houses for those families in need who cannot afford to provide their own houses.

It must also be noted that local authority houses are now being built to very high standards of layout, design and amenity. The low-cost housing operations of the Fianna Fáil Administration, which have caused untold problems and hardships because of their penny-pinching attitude to their social housing programme, have been ended by my colleague, the Minister, Deputy Tully, to his eternal credit. The new local authority tenants need no longer envy the housing conditions of their neighbours in non-local authority housing estates. I challenge the Fianna Fáil Party to come out to the constituency I represent and I will take them to Sandyford, Shanganagh and Shankill and show them those houses. They are the pride of those who live in them and of the members of Dublin County Council of which I am proud to be a member. Output in housing, therefore, has increased from £117 million approximately in 1972-73 to about £222 million in 1975 and almost £256 million in 1976. This represents 119 per cent in 1976 as compared with 1972-73, the last year of the Fianna Fáil Administration.

Therefore, we are proud of our record in housing, and I would suggest that one of the most damaging statements which has ever been made in this House was made by the Leader of the Opposition when he criticised the Government's housing policies. On 17th December, 1975, and again on 28th January, 1976, the Leader of the Opposition in criticising our housing policy programme said "What has gone wrong is that there are too many local authority houses being built".

Could we have the context? This is about the fourth time in the last 12 months that this has happened.

I will give the dates. They were 17th December, 1975 and 28th January, 1976, and that was his criticism of our housing policy. With due respect, when there is a general election and when that is included in our election manifesto to all those who are still in need of houses, and the housing list in Dublin is substantially diminished, I do not think the people will be too pleased at the viewpoint of Deputy Jack Lynch on this matter.

The Minister should give the full quotation.

The full quotation was in relation to the number of houses being built and that does not alter the context of what he said.

Therefore, we have to look at a number of aspects in relation to housing. One of the two major points which we have succeeded in introducing in relation to the programme for housing is that we also got rid of the unjust lending and sale scheme which Fianna Fáil imposed on local authorities and we replaced it by an equitable scheme acceptable to local authorities and to their tenants. This gave something of a boost to the industry. Likewise, I point out that in the three years to March, 1973, 15,000 houses were vested in the tenants, an average of about 5,000 a year. In 1975 alone 11,800 houses were vested and about 16,000 further applications to purchase were being considered by local authorities at the end of 1975. That is sufficient in terms of general housing improvement.

Those who decry the efforts of the Government should go to Tallaght and visit south County Dublin and see the major local authority estates in the greater Dublin area. It will be noted that very special steps have been taken in tackling the problem by the Government in the Dublin area. A total of about £40 million has been allocated to the three local authorities for our needs in 1977. This compares with Fianna Fáil's miserable £10 million in 1972-73. Inflation or no inflation, the increase in capital allocation for housing in the greater Dublin area has been phenomenal. To take one local authority area alone, Dublin Corporation, a total of £26 million has been allocated to that authority for house-building operations in this year. In 1973 the amount was only £6.5 million. In 1976 Dublin Corporation completed 1,600 new houses, which is a fantastic record for any period of 12 months, and people got those houses.

Since there has been great play by Fianna Fáil in relation to private housing, I suggest that this year we will see completed about 14,000 to 15,000 new private houses. That is my estimate in terms of trends this year alone. It should be accepted as being very significant that the building societies this year alone will be financing at least 6,000 new houses. We tend to ignore in terms of building society financing that this year the building societies estimate that they will be making the best part of £100 million available for private house building. The banks estimate that they will provide about £30 million this year for private house building. The money is being made available and Deputy Faulkner knows this. Since the Government, quite correctly, put the screws on some of the insurance companies they have indicated that they will provide the best part of £9 million for house building this year. That means that a great deal of money will be available this year for private house building, in addition to the money being made available under local authority loans. This year the main commercial agencies will make mortgage finance available to the extent of £150 million. That is good news of a legitimate non-Jeremiah type which we hear from the Fianna Fáil Party. The country is not on the rocks in terms of the construction industry.

Added to this is the new subsidised low-rise mortgage scheme which was announced by the Minister for Local Government. It is a great credit to the Minister. I am always reluctant, as a member of the Labour Party, to lavish praise on a colleague but one can legitimately say that the present Minister, and the late T.J. Murphy, will go down in history as the two best Ministers for Local Government which the country has been honoured to have.

As we know, under the low-rise mortgage scheme, tenants and tenant purchasers who surrender their houses in exchange for loans to buy private houses will have loans of up to £7,500 maximum available to them, and the State subsidy is very considerable in that regard. There is also a local authority subsidy available under that scheme. All the indications are that there is a great deal of interest in the low-rise mortgage scheme. Its principal advantage is that it will enable persons of limited means to buy their own houses rather than depend on a local authority exclusively to provide accommodation for them.

I have been one of the major critics of the building societies but I can indicate a substantial improvement in their overall economic contribution. I deplored and bitterly resented the way in which some of the building societies reacted recently to the dropping of interest rates. They were very quickly and very properly brought to heel by the Minister for Local Government. I welcome the recently announced reduction in the mortgage interest rates to 11.5 per cent. In 1977 this should be a considerable incentive to house builders. Although it appears that the higher rate of almost 14 per cent in operation since November, 1976, did not apparently deter a substantial number of new house buyers, the very considerably reduced commitments which are now available with the lower rate should boost demand for houses.

The inflow of funds to the societies for the first three months of this year totalled £21.2 million compared with £20 million for the same period in 1976. If this level of inflow is maintained the societies will be in a position to pay out at least as much in 1977 as their record achievement in 1976.

Employment is a key indicator but the construction industry has always had a substantial level of unemployment as evidenced by the fact that in 1972 and 1973 there were between 14,000 and 15,000 unemployed in the industry. Our stated public commitment is to put every unemployed construction worker back to work without incurring excessive capital loan national commitments. Money pumped in must be paid for at an interest rate. We will certainly pump as much money as is prudently desirable and as is available into a public housing programme. I am confident that the builders need have no fear of the policies being followed by this Government. For the first time in half a decade, in relation to the 30,000 local authority houses which we have built in the past four years, the taxpayer is getting value for money on every local authority contract. We have ended land speculation. Land prices have levelled off. We have ended the gross speculation in private housing whereby people were making a profit of several thousand pounds per house with certificates of reasonable value. We have stopped a lot of the nonsense which went on in the construction industry. It is now a much healthier industry. Construction workers can look forward now with a substantial degree of confidence to having decent well paid jobs. It will not be the fault of this Government if these opportunities are not there in future. I can assure the Fianna Fáil Party, which has been long in rhetoric and short in memory in relation to this debate, that we have the measure of the problem in hand.

For the past few years the trade unions of the building industry and even the Minister's colleagues and local authorities have been calling on the Minister and on the Government to aid the industry, which is capable of considerable expansion and which could quickly provide many new jobs. Nevertheless the general position is deteriorating as each month passes. The Minister instead of assisting this industry is by his very actions destroying it.

One of the major setbacks to the industry was the delay in increasing the income limit in respect of qualification for SDA loans. Since 1st January, 1976, it has become almost impossible for the ordinary person to get a grant. The county council worker or the ordinary industrial worker no longer qualifies for a State or a local authority grant and such people are not in a position to avail of bank or building society loans because of the high repayments. The effect of this is that increasing numbers are seeking local authority housing so that the waiting list for this sort of accommodation becomes longer. This situation is the kernel of the problem in regard to housing. How can the Minister justify his policy in respect of grants or in respect of SDA loans? People with the courage and initiative to build houses for themselves should be given every facility to do so.

Deputy Desmond referred to the low-rise mortgage scheme. I have supported this scheme. At the time of its inception I proposed at a meeting of Kerry County Council that it be adopted. It is a very good scheme but, unfortunately, it is difficult to sell it to people on the waiting lists of local authorities. There are a number of reasons for this, one being the non-availability of grants. In addition, it is not easy to qualify for participation in the scheme because one of the conditions is that an applicant must be either a tenant of a local authority house or must have been on the local authority waiting list for at least 12 months. Generally people interested in this scheme are in the process of making up their minds whether to apply for local authority housing or to build houses for themselves. It is reasonable to assume that an applicant who had been on the waiting list for at least 12 months would have a family, so that it would be almost impossible for him without the aid of a grant, and even with the benefits of the low-rise mortgage scheme for the initial ten years, to build a house for himself. At that stage he may not even have the price of a site and there is also the consideration that his family would then be at a more expensive stage. I have done my best to sell this scheme to people whom I think might benefit from it but I have not been very successful.

Another factor mitigating against the construction industry is the serious cutback in real terms in the allocation of money for services. There is a slackening-off in the development of water and sewerage schemes and there is a cutback, too, in schemes for access roads and for electricity to areas zoned for the development of housing estates. This is particularly noticeable in provincial towns, especially when one recalls what the position was a number of years back.

The question of financing the sanitary services and water and sewerage schemes generally for industrial sites should be resolved between the Departments of Local Government and Industry and Commerce. Through the IDA, the Department of Industry and Commerce should finance such schemes. Local authorities should not have to carry this burden from their capital allocations. The argument in favour of this practice is that industry is of benefit to the community in which it is located. While there is a basis for this argument, it can be argued also that there is a great loss to a local community when the local authority must finance development schemes. I am aware of at least a few industries that could have been developed in certain towns were it not for the inadequacy of services, in particular the inadequacy of proper water supplies. However it is difficult to know whether the country as a whole has suffered as a result of this situation.

In addition to these problems the local authorities are not now in a position of being able to purchase additional land adjacent to towns and villages for group schemes. Primarily the reason for this is that they must now be able to pay for such land almost immediately, and they will not be recouped by the Department of Local Government until such time as their capital allocation for the year in question is being made or, alternatively, until such time as the housing scheme has been completed. Therefore not only are all those difficulties contributing to the serious decline in the construction industry but they are auguring badly for the development of housing in the years ahead because of the likelihood of a lack of serviced land.

There has been reference to the millions of pounds being spent on housing, but the real test of the situation so far as housing is concerned is the number of people—tens of thousands—who are on the waiting lists for local authority dwellings. In Kerry alone there are about 1,500 people on the county council's list for rehousing. I tabled a question to the Minister on the 30th March which he answered by way of tabular statement. He said that, in all, the sum of £1,080,000 had been allocated to Kerry County Council, that £630,000 was to meet existing commitments and that £450,000 was allocated for new works which would commence up to 30th June, 1977. The position with Kerry County Council is that £650 000 was required to meet existing commitments, more or less to meet the bills which accrued on 31st December——

That is not correct.

——and also to complete the houses which were incomplete at the time of the capital allocation. Also, out of the £450,000 the council could only start and complete about 63 to 65 houses this year because it costs on average £7,000 to build a local authority house in Kerry. The position at the moment is that Kerry County Council cannot start another house.

They had £200,000 or £300,000 they could not spend last year.

The position now is that they cannot start another house. I find it very difficult to accept that Kerry County Council returned £300,000 to the Department in respect of last year. I do not think that happened. At the same time we were told that the Minister will review the situation on 30th June. Does this mean that the council cannot start more houses until then? Or can they proceed with the building in anticipation of a capital allocation on 30th June or before or after that date to meet the cost of all houses that would be started before that date? I would like the Minister to clarify that. I am sure there are other local authorities in the same position as Kerry County Council. When I tried to get further information through supplementary questions I was not allowed to proceed despite the fact that I asked only two supplementaries on that occasion.

The reality is that Kerry County Council—and I am sure other housing authorities are in the same situation— cannot start any more houses this year. I know at least one other housing authority that cannot start a single house before 30th June, before the position is reviewed. I should also like the Minister to tell us how much money he has for reallocation among housing authorities on 30th June.

And he will also tell you how many houses were built in the last ten years before you went out.

This will be a very irrelevant figure. The Minister should prepare some scheme for the extension of council houses to relieve overcrowding. I understand some local authorities have submitted such schemes. This is a very worthwhile exercise and these proposals should be sanctioned because there is serious overcrowding in local authority houses just as in private houses. It might solve a problem and save local authorities and the Department the expense of building additional houses if extensions were allowed to local authority houses under a particular scheme.

The Minister will not cod people who require houses by quoting figures and comparing the amount spent this year with what was spent years ago on housing. That is completely irrelevant in the present situation and of no interest to the tens of thousands of people today with young families living in overcrowded conditions in tenement flats, caravans or in mobile homes with no sanitary provision. What really matters to those on the waiting list is: is it a fact that the waiting list is being held by each housing authority to its 1973 level? That is the acid test. The answer, of course, is in the negative and the fact that the waiting list is increasing daily in the case of many local authorities means that enough is not being done by the Government to rehouse those in real need.

Two vital factors apply to the housing crisis which the Minister and the Government do not wish to speak or hear about: they have neither the capacity, the ability nor the courage to tackle them. One is the everincreasing cost of building materials over which there appears to be no price control. It is hard to understand this. In a short period the price of cement went up from about £18 per ton to £35 per ton.

This placed builders' providers and those in the building trade in a very serious predicament. I cannot understand how the Minister for Industry and Commerce allowed the price of nails to go from 10p to 25p per pound and door locks to go from £1.65 to £5 each. There was no reasonable explanation for this.

(Interruptions.)

The Deputy's time is limited.

For Deputy Coughlan's information, it appears that the Minister for Industry and Commerce is seriously at fault in this case. Another matter is the increase in the cost of building authority houses. In some areas the cost of building in 1973 was approximately £3,800 for a local authority house.

You know what you got for that—little dog boxes.

Now, the cost has doubled.

They were all substandard.

The price of private houses has doubled in the past four years.

Will the Deputy move the adjournment?

(Interruptions.)
Debate adjourned.
The Dáil adjourned at 8.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 20th April, 1977.
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