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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 22 Nov 1984

Vol. 354 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - Disadvantaged Areas Scheme.

I wish to thank the Chair for allowing me to raise this matter which has caused much controversy. EC Directive 75/268 was introduced in 1975 and at that time member states were authorised to introduce special aids to assist farming and to raise farm incomes. They laid down the criteria under which this was to be done.

One of the purposes of the directive was to encourage the continuance of farming in the poor and more remote areas to help maintain the level of population and the preservation of the environment. The criteria laid down were fairly straightforward but we do not seem to have applied them fairly. There is an imbalance in regard to certain areas. We have always claimed that the 12 western counties complied with the criteria and should have been designated as severely handicapped, thus qualifying for cattle headage payments.

The criteria were that less productive land unsuitable for cultivation and used mainly for pasture would qualify; the average farm income had to be appreciably less than the national average and there had to be a diminishing level of population which were depending mainly on agriculture. My constituency of Cavan-Monaghan has fared very badly under this directive. A case was made by the North Connaught Farmers' Cooperative, in conjunction with the Donegal creameries, in pinpointing the inadequacies of that area and they claimed that they should get the same consideration as the Cantal region in France which is a hilly, mountainous area.

In Cavan, 22 per cent of the area is severely handicapped and 18 per cent of Monaghan is also severely handicapped. There are four counties which are 100 per cent severely handicapped, others are handicapped to the extent of 81 per cent, 75 per cent and 51 per cent. The percentages go down as low as 13 per cent and Limerick has a very small portion designated as severely handicapped. County Monaghan has 66 DEDs and 55 of those did not qualify. Cavan fared worst because there is very bad land in the west of that county. Indeed it is some of the worst and least productive land in the country. We had the Erne Catchment Study Report, the EC Social and Economic Committee Report and the NERDO report which all pinpointed that the western counties were severly handicapped and in need of attention. One of the members of the social and economic committee said that part of the area along the Border was one of the most deprived areas in the EC. Reasons have been advanced many times as to why Cavan and Monaghan have not done as well as other counties. One of the reasons mentioned was that it was because they were milk producing counties which gave the impression that they had a fair level of income. However, we must realise that they were working in some of these areas against nature: the land was reclaimed and allowed them to produce but it was not up to the standards of some of the best land in the country which they were competing against.

If we look at the amounts paid in 1983 under the sheep and cattle headage schemes and the beef cow scheme, we find that some counties were paid as high as £4.3 million, £5.1 million, £3.4 million, £2.8 million and £6.7 million. I will not mention counties individually, but Cavan received £120,000 and Monaghan received only £526,000 under those schemes. If you relate that to the type of land in the other counties — I am not saying that they should not benefit — you will see that they have fared very badly.

The last examination was conducted in townlands instead of DEDs. I do not think that is a good idea. During the last investigations four million acres were surveyed and, in answer to a Dáil question, we were told that 70 officials were involved in a review of the boundaries. Not alone did that militate against us, it gave an opportunity from a political point of view for pressure to be put for small pockets outside the 12 western counties to be brought in on a townland basis rather than on DEDs. It will be practically impossible to operate the scheme on a townland basis as there is fragmentation of holdings. Much of this stems from the lack of proper soil surveys being carried out in each county. Surveys have been carried out in only eight counties and they are the only counties where they have data and statistical information to guide them.

In the early seventies a survey was carried out by the Agricultural Institute. It was a very sketchy survey and was rejected by many people in agriculture, in the farm development service and in the county committees of agriculture. The classification they gave for a percentage of land was that it had a wide range of use. It was entirely inadequate as far as defining an area was concerned.

The submission was sent to the EC in August following years of examination but we have been told since that it was inadequate information. Mr. Lalor, MEP, tabled a question in the European Parliament both to Commissioner Burke and to our Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Barry, who was chairman of one session and a few facts emerged as a result of tabling that question. It was indicated that the ceiling for designation — at that time it was 2½ per cent — had been reached in our case and it would need the Commission's agreement to raise this limit to 4 per cent. This was done last year when Britain put in their submission for Northern Ireland and it was also done for the Netherlands and Italy. The question must be asked, why did the Irish representatives not seek to have the ceiling raised in anticipation of this submission? That submission should have been with the EC then but it was held up for an unnecessarily long time in order to look at certain townlands. The submission could have been made with the other claim which was successful in respect of the parish across the Border. Incidentally, I live in that parish. Fairly accurate information has filtered through to us from the Department that the wrong that has been inflicted on the Cavan-Monaghan area from the end of the seventies will continue. We are told there is a very small acreage in the counties I mentioned in the submission which was sent back and which was considered inadequate.

In the course of questions raised in the European Parliament, Commissioner Burke was asked if there would be much trouble in getting the information required and he replied that it could have been got by telephone. The Department have dragged their feet and the reason has to do with finance. They did not want to match this money. It is obvious there has been a certain weakness in policy in the past few years. The money is there in Brussels for programmes for Border areas and for FEOGA grant aid but it is not being taken up because it must be matched pound for pound.

The Minister of State comes from the west and I am sure he is aware of the situation. I ask him to rectify the matter before the debate on the super-levy takes place. All the documentation is there. A comparison was made between Mayo and the Cantal area of France and there is no doubt that Mayo was far more deprived. Nevertheless, the Cantal area received complete exemption from the co-responsibility levy. Had we got a similar concession for the high altitude areas in the west and in Donegal we would be in a much more favourable position as far as the super-levy is concerned.

I support the case that has been ably made by Deputy Leonard. The question of the extension of the severely handicapped areas has been a burning one in our district. The intense interest shown in the matter by public representatives in this House during the years is an indication of the interest shown by the farming community. When the Ceann Comhairle was not in the Chair he was involved in this attempt to extend the severely handicapped areas in the Cavan-Monaghan constituency.

I got a shock when I read, in the Economist of all places, that the United Kingdom had already its claim in and had it processed. This was before we had even submitted the details Deputy Leonard has been talking about and which he has researched so well. It is a reflection on the people responsible for putting the statistics together, for preparing the claim and submitting it. I cannot help thinking Deputy Leonard has hit on the reason for all this. The noise we were hearing in the background was that of the dragging of feet. If money is available we should be in the market place looking for it. However, I accept of course that our case must be backed up.

I am glad Deputy Leonard mentioned France. The whole spotlight has been on the dairy industry in this country in an effort to cut production. East Anglia and the whole region north-west of Paris have made a mint of money out of grain growing but there is not a damn word about it. We should be in there pitching to get what we can out of the EC funds.

When we met various farming interests — I include the Ceann Comhairle in this — a study was tabled for the region. It happens to be my own native area, the Mullahoran rural district. The people involved said they did not choose that area for any specific reason other than that it was representative of the whole district. All the scientific expertise available indicated it should be declared a severely handicapped area.

Deputy Leonard made an interesting point in his speech about his own parish. One part of the parish is in County Monaghan and the other part is in County Fermanagh. Is it not ridiculous that the land which is in the Smithboro' end has not been dealt with while the land in County Fermanagh — the same parish — has been dealt with and is enjoying the advantages of a severely handicapped area?

I think the Deputy will find that the parish of Currin is in the same area.

Yes. They have the famous old football club, St. Patrick's, Currin. I am referring in passing to the fact that the off-farm earnings have been reduced so that even the people who have benefited from being classed as being severely disadvantaged have been put at an extra disadvantage since that figure was lowered.

The Minister is a westerner and I appeal to him to listen to the well reasoned case made by Deputy Leonard and to the few words I have added to the request that we should speed up this process, get as much as we can out of the European fund and back it up for the sake of those people who are a very strong element in our demographic make-up.

The disadvantaged areas scheme is based on EC Directive 75/268 on farming in mountain and other less favoured areas. The scheme recognises that pricing and structural support arrangements are not sufficient in themselves to assure reasonable living standards for farmers in poor and handicapped areas. A special system of aids is provided under the scheme to encourage farming and raise farm incomes in these areas.

The boundaries of the disadvantaged areas in Ireland have been reviewed on two previous occasions — in 1976 and 1978. Following the results of the second review, it was maintained that many areas which should have been designated as disadvantaged were omitted. In June 1981 the Government in their Programme for Government announced a third review, based on parts of DEDs, to assure that all areas which qualified were designated. In the course of this review the volume of submissions and representations considered ensured that the situation in virtually every county in Ireland was examined. All representations received were considered and no area which had any prospect of qualifying as disadvantaged was excluded.

In the course of the review over 60 different areas throughout the country were examined, comprising some 600 DEDs and 10,000 townlands and covering close to 4,000,000 acres. This third review was the most comprehensive of any review of the boundaries yet undertaken.

Following its examination of the results of the review, the Government made a comprehensive submission to the EC Commission on 2 August 1984 with a view to having the existing disadvantaged areas in Ireland extended and in certain cases reclassified.

The Government's proposals are at present under examination by the Commission. A request from the Commission for supplementary information was received towards the end of September. This request is part of the normal procedure adopted by the Commission in preparing a proposal for presentation to the Council of Ministers. Material in reply to the Commission's request was supplied by the Department of Agriculture on 22 October. In addition, my Department have had a number of meetings with the Commission with a view to expediting work on this issue so that the Commission will be in a position to make a proposal as quickly as possible.

Proposals for changes in disadvantaged areas are scrutinised most carefully by the Commission. In fact, on the last occasion it took nearly two years between submission of boundary proposals to Brussels in February 1979 and their final clearance in January 1981. In the case of the present submission we have pressed on the Commission the urgency of the matter and our follow-up action has been prompt and thorough.

I might mention that recent allegations by certain members of the European Parliament concerning Ireland's submission on the disadvantaged areas are completely misleading and without foundation. They are unhelpful and are damaging to Ireland's case. It has been alleged that our submission is inadequate and has been returned by the Commission due to lack of information. This is simply not true. The content of the present submission reflects the most comprehensive review if the boundaries of the disadvantaged areas ever undertaken in this country.

The proposals in the Government's submission relating to area reclassification require the approval of the Commission while the addition of new disadvantaged areas necessitates a decision by the Council of Ministers. There are to be further negotiations in the matter and at this stage I do not propose to disclose information in relation to particular areas since this could prejudice the final outcome.

I would take up Deputy Leonard's point about the importance of the NCF submission. This matter has been kicked around for a number of years by various Governments. There is an obvious reason for the slowness of the Commission in reacting to the pressure we have been putting on them. That part of the directive relates to elevated mountain areas. That is how the Cantal area was included. I studied in great details the study by NCF and this is not the first time I have publicly complimented them on their submission. The problem for the Commission is that if we were lucky enough to get our submission through many other areas would qulify as a result. The Opposition are well aware that this has been the case for a number of years.

I would dearly like to see the north-west getting that status but there are very real reasons why this has not been achieved either by this Government or by former Governments. Nevertheless I will do everything I can to achieve it.

I am somewhat taken aback by the Deputy's assertion that he does not favour the townland concept. I believe this is a good concept, especially when one considers the criticism to which all Governments have been subjected during the past ten years in relation to the DEDs. Some good land was included at the end of the DEDs but much poorer land just over the boundary was not included. This is a talking point all over the north-west. I would have thought it was an imaginative decision to try to include very poor areas through the townland concept.

If they had stayed in the west I would not have minded.

The Deputy is being parochial. I might add that I will have the pleasure tonight of being in the Deputy's constituency at Cootehill and I am sure this argument will come up. I have to acknowledge that a bandwagon has been rolling in that area for a number of years in relation to this subject. I do not know what will happen regarding the Commission and the Council of Ministers but I hope the review will lead to the inclusion of areas which were not hitherto included.

If not I hope some transport company will be left to take us out of the area fast.

Deputy Wilson had his bite of the cherry and did not get much of Cavan-Monaghan included. The matter is being treated with the utmost seriousness and we hope to get a result from Brussels as soon as possible.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.30 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 27 November 1984.

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