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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 17 Apr 1991

Vol. 407 No. 1

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Plight of Kurdish Refugees.

Michael D. Higgins

Ceist:

43 Mr. M. Higgins asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will outline the Government's attitude to the present position of the Kurdish people; if he has satisfied himself with the speed at which humanitarian assistance is being delivered to them; the proposals he has to expedite such assistance; if he will outline Ireland's position regarding the establishment of a Kurdish enclave and the territory to be covered by such; if he will further outline whether the proposals favoured by the Government for the relief of the Kurdish population include the Kurdish communities in Turkey, Iran, Syria and the Soviet Union as well as Iraq; and whether the Government will accede to requests they may receive from Kurdish refugees for asylum in Ireland.

Jim O'Keeffe

Ceist:

44 Mr. J. O'Keeffe asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs whether the Government are concerned at the plight of the Kurdish refugees; the steps being taken to assist them; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Dick Spring

Ceist:

50 Mr. Spring asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will outline (1) the steps taken by this country to express our revulsion at the massacre of the Kurdish people by Saddam Hussein and (2) the contribution Ireland proposes to make to any rescue effort or to any effort to restore peace in the region; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Proinsias De Rossa

Ceist:

54 Proinsias De Rossa asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs the steps the Government propose to take to assist the plight of the Kurdish refugees; if he will outline the Government's position on the proposed establishment of a Kurdish enclave under United Nations control within Iraq; if the Government have any plans to provide financial assistance for the countries which are now faced with an influx of Kurdish refugees; if any consideration has been given to providing facilities for Kurdish refugees in this country; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Tom Kitt

Ceist:

114 Mr. T. Kitt asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will outline the Government's efforts at EC and United Nations levels to ensure that the western world takes immediate, co-ordinated and effective action to save the lives of the Iraqi refugees and to further ensure their safe return to their homes.

I propose to take Questions Nos. 43, 44, 50, 54 and 114 together.

Ireland considers that the Kurds in Iraq have a right to an identity, language and culture within Iraq and that the Iraqi Government has an obligation to reach an internal settlement which guarantees respect for the legitimate aspirations of all the people within Iraq.

Ireland has joined with other Community member states in condemning Iraq's brutal repression of the Kurdish people, in calling for an immediate end to violence against civilians and in supporting moves to ensure that refugees can have an assurance of security and that they can receive and benefit from the international humanitarian aid being provided.

Ireland fully supports the French-sponsored UN Security Council Resolution (688) which cited Iraqi aggression against the Kurds as a threat to international peace and stability in the region. The resolution insisted that Iraq allow access for international relief organisations and demanded that Iraq ensure respect for the political and human rights of all citizens. The resolution sent a clear message to Iraq that the international community would not stand by while large numbers of innocent people suffered from repression in all its forms inflicted by the Iraqi authorities.

A way has to be found to ensure that the Kurds suffer no further repression and that badly needed supplies can reach them safely. Ireland will continue to support every effort to this end. It was the clear view of the informal meeting of the European Council on 8 April that the provision of humanitarian aid to the Kurds is not a sufficient response to their situation. The meeting considered the establishment in Iraq of a zone or zones where refugees could feel secure from repression and that humanitarian aid could effectively be supplied to them. The Twelve do not have in mind the dismantling of Iraq as a state: it is necessary to maintain the territorial integrity of that country, but against the background of numerous deaths of innocent people exposed to extreme conditions in which delivery of adequate assistance is very difficult, the Heads of State or Government were convinced of the need to provide refugees with adequate security in which they could benefit from the aid now being massively supplied.

Ireland welcomed the news of the visit to the region of the UN Secretary General's personal representative to study the tragic situation there. I believe that the establishment of the presence of the UN in the region, and perhaps also that of the Red Cross, may establish a de facto security zone for the Iraqi Kurds. The Secretary General yesterday expressed optimism along these lines. The deployment, announced yesterday, of US, UK and French troops to assist with aid distribution may also help to establish the necessary confidence. For our part we would welcome all such efforts which are consistent with the UN Security Council resolutions and with the UN Charter.

The most immediate need in this regard is the provision of urgent humanitarian assistance. The refugees must be provided with food, shelter and medicines now and Ireland is playing its part in this effort. At a special European Council in Luxembourg on 8 April 1991 it was agreed that the Community and its member states would provide 150 million ECUs immediately, equivalent to £120 million as part of the international relief effort to assist the Kurdish refugees.

As indicated by the Taoiseach in Luxembourg, the Government are providing £1 million of which about £700,000 will be provided through the Community budget and close to £300,000 bilaterally. We are therefore providing our pro rata share of the Community contribution in full and we may in fact exceed what is required under the agreed Community key.

I am sure all Deputies have been moved, as I have been, by the graphic and harrowing media coverage of the plight of the Kurdish refugees. This dreadful suffering, in particular the suffering of the weakest among them, the very young and the very old, has touched us all; effective and speedy assistance must be organised in such a way that this tragedy is ended as speedily and completely as possible. There have been signs, within the past 48 hours, that improvements are being made — more aid is getting through, at least some refugees are being brought to a more hospitable and welcoming terrain, and a basic organisational structure and capacity for distributing food and medical attention is being established. It still remains the case that actual implementation of better co-ordinated programmes and full and speedy delivery of the resources pledged are clearly needed.

The first consignment of Irish official assistance arrived in Teheran yesterday on an Aer Turas flight. It was organised by the Irish Red Cross to whom the Government have given £200,000 towards their appeal for funds to purchase emergency relief supplies. On arrival, this flight was met by the Irish Ambassador and by the Iranian Red Crescent Society. The supplies were unloaded immediately and put on trucks for despatch to the refugees in the north-west of Iran. A Red Cross volunteer will remain some time in Iran to liaise with their Red Crescent Society. We plan to make a further allocation of about £100,000 from the Disaster Relief Fund within the next few days. As Deputies will be aware, the Irish effort is part of the major international relief operation now under way.

The Government will keep the situation under review and will consider further action in the light of developments. I would also wish to note that the Irish people have responded magnificently once more to yet another call on their sympathy and generosity. Private individuals, public service organisations and business firms have provided resources for those in direst need and have organised help in practical and concrete ways.

The Government have no plans at present to provide asylum in Ireland for Kurdish refugees. We will, of course, continue to keep this matter under review, but it is the Government's belief that the proper solution to the Kurdish problem is not mass emigration but rather the setting up of arrangements which will allow them return safely to their own homes.

The order of the House requires that we now move to Private Notice questions.

In that event may I protest? I have had no opportunity of asking a supplementary question due to the Minister's long reply. I can comment on the Minister's long reply again but we should be allowed put some supplementaries.

I endorse that.

For example, the Minister was asked very specifically whether he was satisfied with the speed and delivery——

The Chair can appreciate protestations and frustrations. The Chair has indicated to the House what it is required of the Chair to do, that is to conform to the rules and regulations drawn up by Deputies, not by the Chair. They are that at 3.45 p.m. we move on to Private Notice questions.

Yes, but the Chair will appreciate that it respects the right of Deputies, particularly spokespersons, to articulate the concern of their constituents and the public. If they are deprived of the opportunity of asking even one supplementary to what was to my mind a rather overly long answer by the Minister, then they must have some other recourse. I would like your advice, Sir, as to how I might seek a reply to the matters I raised in my question through any other means.

Let me say, in support of what Deputy Higgins has said, that there is a suspicion that questions from the Opposition are being avoided or evaded by the giving of unduly long replies by certain Ministers and, let us be fair, in particular the Minister for Foreign Affairs. The effect is that we are precluded from raising general issues of public concern.

If we did not give information we would be criticised.

The Chair can appreciate——

The Minister is not giving information.

Gabh mo leithscéal. In reply to Deputy O'Keeffe, the Chair can appreciate that the Deputy would feel annoyed and frustrated, but the Chair must carry out the rules and the order of the House as agreed by the House. That is the frustrating position in which the Chair finds itself.

The matter should be looked at by the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

If the Deputy is suggesting that the matter could and should be brought before the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, let that be done.

I have no objection.

As there is a captive audience here of the Taoiseach and the Minister for Foreign Affairs, perhaps they will now understand why we need a foreign affairs committee. This has happened on every Foreign Affairs question. Those of us who do not have priority questions never get an opportunity to put any substantive questions.

We have been debating for five minutes whether this is in order or not. Would it not have made good common sense to allow Deputy Higgins proceed in the first instance?

Deputy Harte knows as well as I do that the Chair cannot anticipate how anything is going to ensue but the Chair, in deference to the right of a Deputy to address a question, has been patient while that was done. Surely you are not suggesting I should not have done that?

Sir, I am anxious to be of assistance to you but I would like to mention the serious matter that has arisen because of my inability to pursue such issues as the feelings of the public on the excessive delay and absence of organisation in the delivery of relief. I would like that matter, and the treatment of this question, referred to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. I also give notice that I shall seek the next suitable opportunity on the Adjournment to raise this matter because of the unsatisfactory circumstances that have arisen. They will not be appreciated by the public. The public, and Members on all sides, are appalled at what is taking place in relation to the Kurds. We want to hear more from the Minister. Let the Minister prepare a position paper on a foreign affairs committee.

On a point of order, as the Taoiseach has been in the House to hear this matter and since he has seen the situation at first hand, will he make a statement tomorrow morning regarding the setting up of a foreign affairs committee?

The Deputy is not in order in raising this matter now. I call Deputy Peter Barry.

The point I want to make——

I am sorry. You cannot make any point. You are not in order.

Backbenchers are being deprived of the right to speak on issues of this nature.

Please resume your seat, you are out of order.

It is reprehensible that Members should be deprived of the opportunity to speak on this matter.

We will move on to Private Notice Questions. Deputy Enright is out of order.

The question of the Kurdish refugees needs to be discussed.

I hope the Taoiseach appreciates that it is not adequate to have statements on a meeting which took place ten days ago. We should have a debate on the whole matter.

Let whatever lesson that shall be learned be learned. It is not a matter for the Chair.

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