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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 25 Apr 1991

Vol. 407 No. 5

Finance Bill, 1991: Second Stage (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by the Minister for Finance, Deputy A. Reynolds, on Tuesday, 23 April 1991:
That the Bill be now read a Second Time.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:
"Dáil Éireann believing
(a) that it fails to make any significant progress towards fundamental tax reform, broadening the tax base or a shift in the tax burden away from the PAYE sector,
(b) that the provisions in regard to reform of BES abuses represent a significant retreat from the measures announced in the budget as a result of extensive lobbying from vested interests, and are particularly unacceptable in the light of the findings of the Comptroller and Auditor General,
(c) that it fails to take any steps to promote job creation, despite the fact that the March unemployment figures were, in real terms, the worst on record,
declines to give a second reading to the Bill."
—(Deputy Rabbitte.)

I wish to reiterate my admiration for the Minister for Finance who has achieved outstanding success since his appointment to that Department in 1988, particularly in view of the background against which he had to operate and the constraints imposed on him by our forthcoming accession to the Single European Market.

I must admit to a degree of confusion as to where the Opposition parties stand. Speakers from the Labour Party and The Workers' Party have been going into paroxysms of rage about the Minister's minor revival of the BES. On the other hand, Fine Gael Deputies have worked themselves up to a high degree of indignation that the pre-budget position should have been departed from. From these confusions and contradictions, it has clearly emerged that the Opposition parties are hopelessly divided in their fundamental approach to the economy, just as they were divided when they were in Government between 1982 and 1987. It was that division which led to paralysis at the top level of economic management and caused many of the difficulties with which Fianna Fáil had to contend on coming into office in 1987. As Deputy Martin suggested yesterday, there has been much false criticism but very few specifics.

The main criticism of the Finance Bill is that the Minister is fiddling around with the tax bands and tax rates. I want to put on record the actual effect of this Finance Bill on income tax. The provisions of this Finance Bill will reduce the marginal rate of tax of nearly 700,000 taxpayers. They will exempt 18,000 taxpayers with 23,000 children from liability to tax altogether and bring an additional 26,500 taxpayers, with 36,000 children, within the ambit of marginal relief. This is the third consecutive year in which the Minister has substantially increased the exemption limits.

I want to put the provisions of this Finance Bill in the context of what this Minister has done since assuming office three years ago. Over the past three years the Minister has increased the general exemption limits by over 25 per cent. In fact, the increase of 25 per cent applies only when a married couple or single person claims such exemption limit. In the case of a married couple with three children the exemption limit has been increased by 44 per cent over the past three years. In the case of a married couple with five children the exemption limit has been increased by over 60 per cent, again over the past three years. Is that fiddling?

In relation to tax rates, the standard rate of tax has been reduced in excess of 17 per cent over the past three years, the top rate having been reduced by over 10 per cent. I do not know how anybody can describe that as mere fiddling. In relation to the tax bands I might point out that the standard tax band has been extended over 40 per cent over the past three years which means that a progressively smaller proportion of taxpayers come within the higher tax rates. People can describe that as mere fiddling around if they wish but they will forgive me if I take an entirely different interpretation.

The provisions of this Bill also contain a number of special measures with which the Minister has become synonymous in the public mind, sensitive measures, no great amount of votes in them, but directed to areas of need within the community. For instance, I welcome the innovation where a widow is entitled to claim an extra allowance of £1,500 in the year of her husband's decease. There are those who would argue that that allowance should remain at the same level in the three years immediately following her bereavement. I agree with the Minister's approach and the manner in which this allowance is being given. If the allowance was maintained at a similar level over three years there would be a sudden cutoff giving rise to economic hardship and much explanation on the part of politicians to their constituents. The allowance is being given on the recognition of the unusual financial hardship suffered by many widows on the death of their partners. That allowance will be reduced to £1,000 in the following tax year and further reduced to £500 in the third tax year; in other words, the allowance granted to alleviate the immediate hardship when a widow's partner dies is reduced gradually. I contend that is the proper way to do it and refute any criticism of the Minister for having done so in that manner.

I welcome also the extension of rent relief for people of 55 years and over. Perhaps the Minister would clarify whether this relief applies to local authority tenants as well as those in private rented accommodation. If it does not apply to local authority tenants, those people unfortunate enough to be in local authority accommodation over age 55 — and there are a good many of them in my constituency — would appear to be discriminated against unfairly.

It applies to private rented accommodation only.

In regard to the Minister's innovation in the disabled driver's scheme I would ask him to re-examine the relevant section of this Bill to ensure that people who are disabled, in the commonly accepted sense of the word, qualify. There is a distinction to be drawn between a person who is disabled and another who is totally incapacitated. The allowance would appear to be directed more at the latter and should include the former. Because of his record in this area I know the Minister will be prepared to take a sympathetic look at that allowance.

When one combines the substantial increases granted in the income tax exemption limits with the improvements announced by the Minister for Social Welfare in the family income supplement, it becomes clear that the Government are aware of the problems pertaining to what is commonly called the poverty trap and are making genuine, determined efforts to tackle that problem

I want to put one technical point to the Minister in relation to marginal relief. Would it be possible to grant marginal relief automatically to taxpayers who will be entitled to it? I have come across many cases of people who would clearly be entitled to marginal relief — even bearing in mind the statutory increase in their social welfare entitlement — not granted such marginal relief but simply granted their tax-free allowances. When they approach their local politician or whoever, their tax free allowances are adjusted, from which date marginal relief is applicable. It is my fear that, through lack of knowledge about how the marginal relief system is operated — and it is a complicated system for somebody who knows nothing about income tax — people may be losing out. I can understand the Minister's difficulties in this regard because, granting marginal relief in advance requires the Minister to foretell what will be a person's income for the ensuing income tax year.

We had a similar debate in relation to the family income supplement on the Social Welfare Bill when the Labour Party pressed hard for the automatic granting of the family income supplement to certain workers when the same difficulty pertained. It is virtually impossible to grant this allowance since one cannot foretell what will be a person's income for the coming year. It must be remembered that it is a person's net income, after payment of certain overheads and expenditure, that renders them eligible for the family income supplement. In the course of that debate Deputy Stagg suggested he could write a computer programme for the Department of Social Welfare which would enable them to automatically grant the family income supplement. Perhaps he would apply his skills to writing a computer programme for the Department of Finance to enable them grant marginal relief in advance. I do not know what type of computer programme that would be, but, if Deputy Stagg can write a computer programme which would foretell the future, then he has the potential of becoming a very rich man indeed, though being a socialist, perhaps he is not interested.

There are some politicians going around this country like medieval town criers criticising the Minister for Finance on the slow pace of tax reform, by which they mean, of course, income tax reduction. Some of those people are Members of this House and some are former Members who were not able to retain their seats, which is testimony to their political ability. Those people are voicing their views in the media and at public meetings about 40 per cent and 25 per cent rates of income tax as though those two rates were some sort of holy grail which, once achieved, would mean all our problems would disappear into the mist whereas nothing could be further from the truth. That argument is an illusion and is dishonest.

With the benefit of figures supplied by the Department of Finance and a biro I could produce, on the back of an envelope, a 40 per cent and 25 per cent tax regime for the Minister for Finance yielding the same revenue from income taxation as obtains at present. One could do it by fiddling around with the bands and allowances. There is nothing magic about those two rates of tax. What is important is that the Minister has been determined to maintain fiscal rectitude and/or budgetary discipline. The confidence which had to be renurtured from 1987 onwards, since maintained by stringent fiscal measures on the part of the Government, is the cornerstone to the recovery of our economy. We must preserve that confidence by maintaining that fiscal rectitude, budgetary discipline, call it what you will.

The fact of the matter is the Government have made substantial progress toward reducing the crucial ratio between debt and gross national product. That process must continue particularly in the light of the worsening international economic scene. Nobody wants to revert to the bleak summer and winter of 1986 when despondency and despair were the order of the day, when there was not a penny being put into our economy, when virtually everything had ground to a standstill. Substantial progress has been made, recognised by all independent commentators with no Fianna Fáil or Government connections, who have no axe to grind. I might cite a recent report of O Riada Stockbrokers, of a Mr. McLoughlin of that firm — I think reported in yesterday's newspapers — which backed Government strategy to the hilt.

I wonder whether those people who criticise the Minister for Finance, including those outside this House, would direct their minds to the consequences for this country if that carefully nurtured confidence, acquired so painfully over the past four years, suddenly evaporated, as it would assuredly, if the national debt slipped out of control again because of premature reductions in taxation. What would be the consequences for the levels of taxation, interest rates and jobs? What would be the consequences for the unemployed and the underprivileged? I can assure those people that the consequences would be immediate and horrendous. We hear much talk about people preserving their identity. I am all in favour of people preserving their identity; I am a nationalist, I believe in the identity of nations; I am anti-racist, I believe in the identity of every human individual and, by extension, I believe in the identity of political parties. By all means preserve identity but do not seek to do it at the expense of the national interest or the people outside this House who have elected a Government to govern and who expect that Government to do the right thing for the economy and serve the national interest.

In relation to capital gains tax I welcome the extension of the self assessment system to that tax. It will improve the flow of revenue to the Exchequer and will get around a pretty undesirable situation which operates under the present system of assessment of capital gains tax. When somebody sells property for a gain, in many cases only a national gain, he receives a communication from the Revenue Commissioners, three, four or five years down the road informing him to submit a return for capital gains tax purposes. In my experience this has caused a great deal of anxiety and anguish, not to mention expense, to taxpayers who often have no capital gains tax to pay.

Under the new system of self assessment the onus is on the taxpayer to submit his capital gains tax return. He must pay his preliminary tax on 1 November in the year following the year of assessment in which the gain is made and the balance of the capital gains tax three months later. This is eminently more acceptable than the present system. It will increase the flow of revenue to the Exchequer from the capital gains tax system and avoid a great deal of anguish, anxiety and expense for taxpayers.

I welcome also the relief which the Minister is introducing from capital gains tax on the disposal of business assets outside the family. Representations have been made to the Minister by myself and, I am sure by others, about the problems which this provision has caused and the fact that it has not been increased. Not only has the Minister responded generously to our representations, he has increased the allowance fourfold to £200,000 and I thank him for it. He has introduced also a provision which will get around a particular problem — where there are very few votes — which causes severe hardship. In order to qualify under this section of the capital gains tax provisions a person need no longer be a full-time working director for ten years, he need only be a full-time working director for five years of the ten years running up to the time in which the asset is disposed of. That five year period need not be the period ending on the date of disposal of the asset. That provision has caused hardship in individual cases. I am aware of instances where working directors in a company became ill, they stayed on as directors but were interpreted by Revenue as not being working directors because they were not actively participating in the management of the business. They wanted to see whether they would recover their health sufficiently to go back into the business but in many cases that did not happen. Eventually, when they sold their business they were held not to have been a full-time working director for ten years immediately preceding the date of sale of the asset. The Revenue interpreted that provision in a nasty and inhumanitarian way. I am delighted we are bringing in a provision to remedy that

I welcome the reforms in the Bill in relation to capital acquisitions tax. The top rate of capital acquisitions tax is reduced to 40 per cent. When Deputy Dukes introduced the accumulation system of capital acquisitions tax in 1986 I argued at that time, from the Opposition benches, that that would prove confiscatory in many cases and that has proved to be the case. The Minister has taken a dramatic step to take the confiscatory element out by reducing the top rate to 40 per cent. He has increased the agricultural relief to 55 per cent but, because the price of farm land has not increased for many years, the cap of £200,000 remains. That is only right and logical.

I am not happy with the provision to increase the test of what is a farmer from 75 per cent to 80 per cent. It is not unreasonable to assume that if at least 75 per cent of somebody's assets consist of farming assets such as stock, machinery, and land they are almost invariably a full-time farmer. I do not see the point in increasing the provision to 80 per cent. However, I do see a danger in it. There are many cases where people who acquire property have no income bearing assets. If the value of property is artificially depressed, and if the value of those non-income bearing assets is momentarily artificially high, it may take the donee in that case out of the ambit of agricultural relief. That could cause hardship in individual cases. I ask the Minister to look again at that provision.

The provisions of the capital acquisitions tax legislation whereby a person can avail of an insurance policy in relation to inter vivos dispositions is being introduced. That is only right, fair, logical and in harmony with the remainder of the capital acquisitions tax system. Heretofore, that facility was afforded only to people who took an inheritance rather than a gift. It is entirely logical that it should be extended to gifts. In fact, it was illogical that it did not apply to gifts because the rate of gift tax is 25 per cent — only 75 per cent of what the rate of inheritance tax would be. The supposed motivation of that differential was to encourage people to transfer property by way of gift rather than by way of inheritance. The extension of the insurance policy facility to gifts is entirely logical and in harmony with the differential in the rate of tax between gifts and inheritances.

There has been much Opposition criticism of the changes in the business expansion scheme. Certainly, the Minister made an announcement in relation to his intentions concerning the business expansion scheme in the budget. The provisions in the Finance Bill are somewhat different. He has retreated somewhat — not very far — from his declared intentions at the time of the budget. Budgets are not written on stone. It would be a poor Minister for Finance who would come to the House in January, announce certain tax proposals and then say to the Department of Finance: "go away and draft those proposals exactly as I announced them, we are not going to listen to or entertain any arguments, submissions or suggestions regardless of how reasonable or logical they may be." A Minister for Finance who would act in that manner certainly would not have any respect and he would not deserve it.

The budget announced by the Minister is not a bargaining counter but people are entitled to make reasonable and logical submissions on what will be in the Finance Bill when that has been signalled, as it is every year, in the budget speech. The difficulties we have had, and the slight embarrassment suffered in relation to the business expansion scheme, exposes a fundamental flaw in our income tax system. Governments introduce tax allowances, and particular incentive schemes, in Finance Bills not just to be popular or for some altruistic motive but to direct investment to certain areas of the economy. We have found, as has been found in Britain and continental countries, that sometimes people abuse those incentive schemes and use them for purposes for which they were never intended. They use them to minimise their own taxation.

Part of that problem would be solved if we were to debate the Finance Bill properly in Committee. I understand that in the United Kingdom a technical Finance Bill is introduced which is debated at length in committee. If that were done here — I know of no constitutional or legal reason why it could not be done — many of the problems would be met and solved in advance. I met people on the day after the business expansion scheme was put into law who pointed out to me ways of getting around it and ways in which it could be used which would have horrified the Minister and his officials.

There is another way, in the present state of tax law in this country, of solving the problems of people using incentive schemes for purposes for which they were not intended and for which they should not be used. There is a substantial anti-avoidance provision in the Finance Act, 1990, which has not yet been used, according to the information available to me. Under that provision the Revenue Commissioners can send to a person a directive in relation to any scheme which they feel has no substantial benefit other than to avoid tax, and the onus will be on the taxpayer to prove that his attention is other than primarily tax avoidance. If he cannot establish that to the satisfaction of the Revenue Commissioners or ultimately the appeal commissioners, the scheme becomes null and void and there are penalties and disincentives built into it. If the Minister were to direct the Revenue Commissioners to use that power more widely there would be much less abuse and we could freely bring in incentive schemes which would not have to have 12 or 13 pages of technical legislation to prevent people from abusing them.

The business expansion scheme has been, by and large, successful. The Minister referred at some length in his contribution to a survey carried out on the effects of the business expansion scheme, but of course it is impossible to calculate exactly how many jobs flow from any tax scheme. That depends on other factors such as the climate of confidence in the economy, the state of the national finances and so on. Deputy Rabbitte was very harsh in his criticism of the Minister for reviving the business expansion scheme albeit in a much watered-down state. Deputy Rabbitte said that his concern is for PAYE workers. Who does he think gives jobs to those PAYE workers? This is largely a private enterprise economy. If the experience of the Soviet Union and other economies in Eastern Europe since the Second World War has taught us anything it must be — although the message does not yet seem to have penetrated through to The Workers' Party — that the command economy structure does not work. Economies work when people are given incentives to take risks, invest and create real jobs.

The situation has arisen whereby The Workers' Party and people of the Left tend to focus on certain constituencies or certain sectors within the economy. There is no perception of the broad picture and no attempt to perceive or present it. The broad picture is that many people who to my knowledge have availed of the provisions of the business expansion scheme are people who took risks and borrowed money. Many of those people had to sign personal guarantees for banks and other financial institutions. If the schemes in which they are involved go wrong many of the people stand to lose their homes. Nobody, least of all myself, is going to pretend that those people are taking risks for patriotic or altruistic motives. Any economy that wants to grow and develop and create jobs depends on such people and such people must be encouraged to some extent at least to take risks.

The business expansion scheme has been watered down considerably. The total amount a company can raise is being reduced by 80 per cent, from £2.5 million to £500,000. Certain asset-backed operations are being excluded from the scheme and this is only right and logical The original objective of the business expansion scheme was to direct investment into smaller riskier companies. The exclusion of asset-backed businesses will achieve precisely this because it will improve 100 fold the chances of small riskier companies raising business expansion finance now that the larger asset-backed safer operations can no longer avail of it.

In conclusion, the Finance Bill represents a continuation of the Government's policy of careful and responsible economic management. There are a few technical points that I want to bring to the Minister's attention on Committee Stage, but subject to that I have no hesitation in commending the Bill to the House.

In accordance with an Order made in the House this morning I must now call on the Minister for Finance to conclude the debate.

I would like to thank all the Deputies who have contributed to the debate and to respond as comprehensively as I can in the time available to the major issues which were raised. Other points relating to individual sections of the Bill can be discussed in greater detail on Committee Stage.

In their contributions to this debate a number of Deputies, including both Deputy Noonan and Deputy Quinn, have Deputy Noonan and Deputy Quinn, have attempted to argue that the 1991 budget is no reliable basis for these allegations. It is exactly three months since the budget tragets were set. I set out fully at that time the assumptions and forecasts that had been made in drawing up the budget. While some events since then have been more disappointing than hoped for, especially in relation to the live register figures, the budgetary strategy remains fundamentally sound. As I made clear at budget time, there were unusual difficulties about this year's forecasts. These concerned mainly the international situation but could be aggravated by a failure to keep to responsible policies at home. The Government are determined to play their part in keeping to a steady course.

As I have indicated on a number of occasions, most recently in my opening speech on Second Stage last Tuesday, growth is likely to slow down markedly this year compared with 1989 and 1990, mainly because of weaker growth in Ireland's export markets. This will inevitably have an adverse impact on domestic demand here at home. We took this into account in formulating our budget targets and projected that our growth rate in 1991 would be less than half that in 1990.

There have been some questions about our overall growth prospects for this year. I would have to say that there is very little by way of hard data in relation to 1991 at present. Certainly, it is too early yet to draw firm pointers from tax returns to date. Firstly, the PESP and budget related increases in disposable incomes have yet to come through; secondly, the year to year change in tax yields for the first quarter must be adjusted for the reduction in tax rates in the 1990 budget; thirdly, the January retail sales figures indicated continuation of strong growth in non-garage retail sales but a substantial year-to-year decline in vehicle sales. This was not unexpected, given the Gulf crisis. It remains to be seen whether vehicle sales will recover as the year goes on and as the uncertainty, particularly regarding investment and tourism prospects, associated with the Gulf crisis diminishes.

It has to be acknowledged that since January the short term outlook for the important British economy has weakened. In his budget statement on 19 March the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer forecast a fall of 2 per cent in UK GDP this year. The previous forecast, made by his predecessor last November, was for a rise of ½ per cent. The principal effect of the slower growth abroad combined with the effect on emigration of a weaker labour market in the UK and the US has been higher unemployment here — the figures here are estimated in some quarters as ranging between 16,000 and 18,000 — despite, and I should stress this point, the further rise in employment. As Minister for Finance, I may have to provide for a somewhat higher average live register figure, perhaps 10,000 to 12,000 more, than provided for in the budget. This would imply that we will inevitably have to keep a tight rein on other spending in order to meet our budgetary targets.

The pattern of tax revenue in the first quarter was broadly as expected. We always anticipated that receipts would be sluggish over the first half of the year. But consumer spending should recover as confidence returns and disposable incomes benefit from the PESP and other increases and from the recent reductions in interest rates.

The slowdown in economic growth this year should not blind us to the tremendous progress we have made in recent years in improving the economic fundamentals. With lower public borrowing and inflation, and with strengthened competitiveness, we are much better placed than more developed economies to cope with the less favourable international environment. In recent years our economic growth rate has bettered that of our trading partners. I remain confident that this year too we can achieve substantial output growth — as good as, if not better than, the EC average. We are also well-placed to extract maximum benefit from the recovery, when it comes.

This position of strength, of course, assumes that the Programme for Economic and Social Progress will make a strong contribution to the stability of the economic climate at home. The current ESB dispute, were it to continue, could introduce an element of risk to our economic fundamentals, and I am sure that I reflect the views of all sides of this House when I say that a speedy return to work is imperative for the wellbeing of our economy and for our credibility abroad.

I said in the budget speech that if any of the various imponderables should develop unfavourably this year, the Government would not be slow to take whatever action is needed. That remains the position.

The use of the proceeds of sale of State assets was also raised in the debate. I have gone over this ground many times before. We are dealing here with capital receipts. I cannot accept that the proceeds of sale of shares or of other assets should be treated as having any bearing on the current budget deficit except to the extent that debt servicing costs, which are met on the current budget, reflect the reduced borrowing on the capital side of the equation where the realisation of these assets are accounted for as a component of Exchequer capital resources. As such, there will of course be an impact on the Exchequer borrowing requirement; but, as I indicated very clearly in my Budget Statement, the expected proceeds from the Irish Life disposal have not been allowed for in the budget target EBR and the underlying EBR will be readily and transparently identifiable.

While on the topic of the sale of State assets, Deputy Quinn mentioned an interview which I gave on RTE radio on Sunday last. If he was listening he would have heard me say that the question of the sale of the ICC was under examination and that the possibility of selling the ACC in a year or two was also a live option.

As far as the sale of other, more substantial, bodies is concerned, there are no specific proposals in this regard before the Government at present. However, the matter will be considered in the coming months in the context of the programme of asset sales which I announced last year and which I also mentioned in the interview.

Turning now to interest rates, I can assure Deputy Quinn that there is no lack of trust between myself and my Department on the one hand and the Central Bank on the other. I am satisfied with the existing statutory arrangements governing interest rates. I made my position very clear on this as late as last Thursday when replying to a question from Deputy Pat Rabbitte. Let me repeat: I believe the fact that the Central Bank has statutory responsibility for monetary policy has served us well and I am not in favour of changing that position.

The operation of market forces under the supervision of the Central Bank has, in general, proved satisfactory. There is no conflict between the role of the Central Bank and the fact that on one occasion recently I felt it necessary to express disappointment that a reduction in deposit rates had been notified by a building society without a similar reduction in lending rates. As the House will be aware this situation was quickly corrected by the building society in question.

Deputy Noonan (Limerick East) suggested that I could insist that the margin between deposit rates and lending rates be cut right across the spectrum of interest rates. However, he then asks for more intense competition. I would draw the Deputy's attention to the fact that his proposal that I intervene to insist that margins be reduced is hardly consistent with the encouragement of competition based on market forces. As the Deputy is aware, there has been a significant increase in the amount of competition among Irish financial institutions in recent years and the margins enjoyed by banks have been narrowing. The recent building society and Trustee Savings Bank Acts have further increased the scope for competition between financial institutions.

As I told the House last Thursday in reply to a question from Deputy Noonan (Limerick East) I am informed by the Central Bank that real interest rates in Ireland, as measured by the prime lending rate deflated by consumer prices, are not the highest in the EC.

Personal lending rates of course move in line with the prime rate. For example, Irish prime lending rates, in inflation adjusted terms, are lower than those in Denmark and Belgium and are approximately the same as those in Germany and the Netherlands.

As regards fiscal measures, the House will be well aware of the very considerable progress already been made in reducing the EBR and the debt as a percentage of GNP. The Government are committed to building on this progress and reducing the debt/GNP ratio towards 100 per cent by 1993 and, as part of this, to achieve broad balance in the current budget.

There have also been accusations that we are making little progress on tax reform. In fact, of course, substantial progress has been made. As I pointed out in my opening address on the Bill, in recent years the general exemption limits have been increased by nearly 25 per cent, and in some cases by over 60 per cent when the child addition is taken into account. The standard rate has been cut by over one-sixth and the top rate by over one-tenth, while the standard band has been extended by over 40 per cent. If these advances are only juggling, as described by Deputy Rabbitte, then I am sure the PAYE sector would welcome more of it.

In this context I would like to take up the point made by several Deputies that what really matters is the level at which the higher rates are reached. They said this as though the Government had been doing nothing about it. In fact of course we have. The standard band was extended by £1,000 for a single person in 1988 and by £400 in both 1989 and 1990 and is being extended by a further £200 in this year's Finance Bill. These figures were of course doubled for married couples. This makes an increase of more than 40 per cent over the level of the 1986-87 standard band. Compare the performance in earlier years: the 1984, 1985 and 1986 increases totalled just £700 for a single person. In addition, I would have to make the point that where taxpayers reach the top rate of tax the level of that top rate obviously concerns them. We have reduced that top rate by 6 per cent in the past three years. This too will have had its impact on the tax position of single people, about which Deputies were expressing concern.

Deputy Noonan (Limerick East) also suggested the introduction of a reduced, commencement rate of tax. I could remind him that he was a member of the Government which abolished the 25 per cent reduced rate of tax which applied to the initial tranche of income before 1984-85. But I certainly agree with him that our standard rate of tax — which is the initial rate of tax faced by taxpayers generally — is too high. That is why we have been reducing the standard rate, and why we propose to go on reducing it, to 25 per cent in 1993.

We have made substantial progress on income tax in recent years because we have set ourselves achievable goals and moved steadily towards them each year. There has been talk in recent days outside this House of very dramatic changes in income tax and PRSI, of reducing tax rates to 25 per cent and 40 per cent and incorporating employee PRSI and levies into these rates. I will make no comment on these on this occasion except to give the costs, and the costs speak for themselves.

Reducing the standard rate to 25 per cent cut, with a standard band covering single employees at the average industrial wage and a single higher rate of 40 per cent, would cost some £600 million in 1991-92 terms. Employee PRSI and levies are expected to yield some £690 million in 1991: given the loss of yield, it is impossible to see how they could be incorporated into tax rates of 25 per cent and 40 per cent. Where would the loss of yield — in total £1,290 million — be made up from in any one year?

(Limerick East): Dessie can do it.

I also noted with interest the remarks made by Deputies with regard to the business expansion scheme. I would repeat that the changes in this scheme provided for in the Bill are necessary and desirable to control its cost and to refocus it on smaller, riskier projects. That is why asset-backed sectors such as shipping, hotels and self-catering accommodation were excluded from the scheme and why I am reducing the company limit from 2.5 million to £0.5 million. That is why I am also proposing measures to counter the use of multiple companies and to prevent the on-lending of BES funds to subsidiaries.

It is true that I introduced transitional arrangements to cater for companies which had entered into contractual commitments in writing on or before budget day. This applies to only a limited number of companies whose future could be put in jeopardy. This was portrayed by Deputy Rabbitte as a major climbdown: it is nothing of the sort. These transitional arrangements expire on 31 August and the exclusion of shipping, hotels, guesthouses, and self-catering accommodation and the new company limit of £500,000 will remain. That is the position, and that will continue to be the position. In any event, Deputy Rabbitte's concern with the budget changes would be more convincing if he had actually voted for them: in fact, he and his party abstained.

Deputy Rabbitte seemed to allege that the BES was a tax break only for the rich. It is true that wealthy people avail of the relief, it is, after all, intended to generate capital for risk ventures, and wealthy people do avail of it. But the relief is not confined to them: PAYE workers can and do avail of it, and the only minimum in the BES scheme is that the taxpayer investing directly in a company must invest at least £200. In any event, this year I introduced a lifetime cap on the amount an individual can invest under the scheme; again Deputy Rabbitte's concern would be more convincing if he had supported this principle of a lifetime cap which would ensure that the rich did not over use it, but in fact on budget night he particularly picked it out as an example, he said, of double think on my part.

Deputy Noonan and others raised several issues in relation to urban renewal, and to the special incentives being provided for Temple Bar. There will be an opportunity to deal with the detail of the specific measures at greater length on Committee Stage, and I propose to cover only some general points at this stage.

In listening to what Deputy Noonan had to say about the development of Temple Bar, I have to say that I am disappointed at his approach. The fact is that in this Bill refurbishment in Temple Bar will be put on the same basis as new building for the first time ever. Up to now the incentive on a new building was on the entire building whereas the incentive for refurbishment concerned only the cost of the refurbishment. Since refurbishment is the key to the sensitive development of Temple Bar, an objective with which I hope the Deputy agrees, the incentives in the Bill are not excessive. The Deputy should also note that the application of the incentive is selective and will require the approval of Temple Bar Renewal Ltd., a company chaired by the Lord Mayor of Dublin.

The development of Temple Bar will provide much needed jobs both in the construction and in the operational stages and again I trust that this is something Deputy Noonan will support. I know that Temple Bar Properties Ltd., the development company, will have a special person employed to liaise with the local community and in particular to ensure that training is put in place to achieve the highest number of jobs for that local community in the development of Temple Bar.

The Temple Bar Area reliefs provided for in Chapter VII of the Bill are being given in unique circumstances and for a very specific purpose. Dublin has been given the signal honour of being designated European City of Culture in 1991. In addition to the various activities and events being undertaken in the city to mark the occasion, the Government have chosen the conservation and refurbishment of the Temple Bar area as its flagship project.

The needs of the area require a specific set of incentives and these have been carefully devised after a lot of consideration and following advice received from expert groups. The worthy nature of this project has also been recognised by the European Commission which has agreed to part-fund new pedestrian links, landscaping, street lighting and street furniture for the area. Deputy Noonan may rest assured that Temple Bar will be no Centre Point — it will attract a lot of activity, both in its refurbishment phase, and thereafter as a vibrant and thriving community. I would also emphasise that the special set of incentives covers not only business activities — and these will have to be of an appropriate nature — but also the residential sector. They are determinedly aimed at achieving the right `mix' in Temple Bar, at enhancing its attractiveness, and maintaining an enduring and unique area in the heart of the city.

A number of Deputies expressed concern at the accountability of the organisational arrangements for Temple Bar. I would like to make two particular points. Temple Bar Renewal Ltd, is chaired by the Lord Mayor of Dublin and its decisions for and against approval will be tabled before both Houses of the Oireachtas, and Temple Bar Properties Ltd. will be audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Deputies have referred to the need for a wider debate on Temple Bar arrangements. A further Bill will be published shortly on the development, including in particular the granting of a State guarantee for the powers of Temple Bar Properties Ltd. and the giving of special authority to Temple Bar Renewal Ltd. in its key role of supervising and approving the standards of refurbishment and construction works, and thereby allowing access to the special incentives. Deputies will, therefore, have an opportunity to deal with issues arising from that Bill, and from the development of Temple Bar generally, at that time.

Deputy Noonan made some general comments on urban renewal which I should like to address briefly. The Deputy said that the urban renewal scheme has been less successful in Dublin than in the other county boroughs. The figures on the volume of investment do not support this. In Dublin, as at end-December last, private sector projects involving investment of over £211 million are either completed, in progress or in planning. The Deputy claimed that the areas first designated for urban renewal have been successful while the later designations have not. The actual picture is that while there are differences between the various areas, the overall position is encouraging. In the nine provincial centres designated in 1988, developments valued at £65 million have either been completed, are in progress or are planned. In the eight provincial centres designated only last May, private sector projects involving investment of over £37 million have already been similarly generated.

Deputy Noonan complained about schemes where tax incentives in designated area projects can be written off against all income rather than just rental income. He also complained about the restrictions on capital allowances proposed in section 22 of the Bill. The two views seem to be incompatible. The Deputy will be aware that it was the Government of which he was a member which introduced the write-offs against all income in the urban renewal scheme. The Deputy is worried that buildings developed in the designated areas will lie idle and empty for years. This has not happened to date and there is no reason to assume that it will happen now. The double-rent allowance which is available will ensure that buildings are tenanted at an early date. Section 21 of the Bill will assist this process even further. Finally, the situation in Limerick is not as bleak as painted by Deputy Noonan. A £30 million development is planned in one of the new areas designated last May. Consultants have been engaged to prepare an action plan for the development of the newly-designated area at large, and Limerick Corporation is confident from its discussions with developers, landowners and the Harbour Commissioners, that this area will be successful in attracting development.

A number of Deputies spoke about section 22 on unitisation schemes, and I was asked for further clarification about it. I want to completely refute any suggestion that the section was deliberately worded in an ambiguous and complex way so that arrangements could be devised to circumvent its general objective. The section, in brief, does two things: it effectively counteracts the unintended use of capital allowances through certain property investment schemes, while permitting the normal type of joint investment in property which has taken place within the last five years.

Thus, the section disallows the set-off of capital allowances on buildings against the total income of a taxpayer where the building concerned is acquired through a scheme designed to, as Deputy Quinn describes it, parcel out substantial tax benefits to a large number of individuals. That type of scheme was never intended to qualify for the relief involved. I have gone back as far as 1986 and searched all the papers concerning the urban renewal programme that was introduced then and the position today is the same as it was then.

As some Deputies may no doubt be aware, there has been a practice in the past for small groups of individuals to come together with a view to the purchase of a building which qualifies for capital allowances. As it was not desirable that this traditional type of investment should be disqualified, it was necessary to exclude such investments from the scope of the section. This is achieved by excluding this common practice for investment in buildings in the period 1986 to 1991. To be excluded from the scope of the restrictions, the Revenue Commissioners must be of the opinion that the schemes were commomly used in that period and that people investing in such schemes qualified for set-off of capital allowances against other income. The Revenue Commissioners will have regard to the manner in which participants share in the building and the number of persons participating.

Finally, I should emphasise that the major objection to the unitisation schemes was the substantial up-front Exchequer cost involved in 1991 and subsequent years. The traditional type of schemes in contrast do not give rise to such a cost because both the expenditure involved and the amount of tax offset in Year 1 are very much smaller.

In his remarks on the overall VAT reduction in the budget and Finance Bill, Deputy Noonan seemed to imply that a detailed distribution analysis of the effects would lead to the conclusion that the less-well-off will not share in the general benefit to consumers. It is obvious that under any expenditure tax those who spend most will pay most and, consequently, relief granted must, by definition, give the bigger cash benefit to those with the greatest initial purchasing power. What matters, of course, is how the cost-of-living of various groups is affected. I would simply make two further points in this regard. First, the reduction in the standard rate will reduce the cost of a wide range of products which are purchased by people at all consumer levels, for example, soaps, toothpastes, washing powders, disinfectants and food products such as biscuits, sweets and confectionery. Indeed, I am sure that these figure very prominently in the shopping baskets of low-income families. Secondly, very many of the services which were affected by the selective increase in the 10 per cent rate are quite clearly of a discretionary character, for example, meals in restaurants and hotels, entertainment and certain personal services.

Deputy Noonan inquired about my attitude to EC indirect tax developments and specifically about whether I favoured approximation of such taxes over harmonisation, by which, I assume he really means equalisation of tax rates. Clearly, within a completed internal market, a uniform level of taxation on products across member states wouild best achieve the desired aim of eliminating tax-based competitive distortions. However, as that scenario is not achievable in the short to medium-term given the wide rate disparities which currently exist, member states are likely to settle for the less ambitious target of approximation; in other words, there will probably be an agreement to converge indirect tax rates to the stage where the remaining differentials between neighbouring member states are narrowed to the point where they are insufficient to create an incentive to engage in cross-Border shopping. In short, a configuration of rate approximation sufficient to eliminate trade and revenue distortions is in prospect for the period immediately after 1992 when border controls related to fiscal purposes will be abolished.

If overall circumstances were otherwise, I would have no difficulty in proposing the equalisation of our indirect tax rates with those of the UK; in fact, if circumstances permitted it, there would be no reason why our rates should not go below those of our neighbour thereby reversing the long-standing incentive to shop in the North. However, we must be realistic. The plain fact of the matter is that our budgetary circumstances preclude this type of flamboyant action. In addition, we have accorded great priority to reducing our acknowledged too high levels of personal taxation in order to encourage initiative and reward enterprise — a strategy indeed advocated by all Opposition parties. Prudent management of the public finances could not accommodate a programme of major direct and indirect tax cuts in such circumstances. I consider it is more appropriate to seek to bring our indirect tax rates within the couple or so percentage points necessary to avoid trade diversions arising from fiscally motivated shopping trips. I would also point out that price differences between member states are often attributable to factors other than differences in tax rates. I have in mind differences in distribution costs and traders' margins. One of the benefits of the completed single market is expected to be the narrowing of such differences in the face of the greater competition involved.

Deputies also made the accusation that the Bill does not broaden the tax base. This is not the case. The Bill, like the three previous Finance Acts, contains svarious measures which widen the tax base and counter tax loopholes as well as other measures which will significantly improve tax assessment and collection and thereby increase taxation revenue. For example, in this Bill in the case of income tax, there are major restrictions in the business expansion scheme and a reduction in life assurance premium relief, while sections 19 and 22 are directed against abuses of the tax reliefs for the designated areas. In the case of corporation tax, there are restrictions in the scope of section 84 loans. Turning to VAT, the base is being widened to include veterinary services, certain types of accommodation and certain non-postal services of An Post. Self-assessment is being introduced for capital gains tax and this change will yield an estimated £9 million in 1991. Stamp duty is being made a compulsory tax, which will widen the base and increase the yield. Finally, new enforcement measures are being introduced for capital acquisitions tax which will improve tax collection in this area.

In conclusion, I should like to thank Deputies for their contributions. I will expand further on the points they have raised on Committee Stage when I will also deal with the question raised by Deputy Quinn in regard to tax credits. The Deputy's proposition seeks to make our system more progressive and I think everyone will agree that it is too progressive. That is why the Government have embarked on their present route to tax reform and tax reduction.

May I ask the Minister if he has a figure for the current GNP growth rate, for which I asked repeatedly during my contribution?

As I said clearly during my budget speech, and again today, we approximate it to be half of last year's growth rate.

As it is now 4.45 p.m., I am required to put the following question in accordance with the order of an Dáil of this day: "That the words proposed to be deleted stand part of the main question".

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 66; Níl, 56.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Barrett, Michael.
  • Brady, Gerard.
  • Brady, Vincent.
  • Brennan, Mattie.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Clohessy, Peadar.
  • Collins, Gerard.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Coughlan, Mary Theresa.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullimore, Séamus.
  • Daly, Brendan.
  • Davern, Noel.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Fahey, Frank.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam Joseph.
  • Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Flynn, Pádraig.
  • Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
  • Harney, Mary.
  • Haughey, Charles J.
  • Hillery, Brian.
  • Hilliard, Colm.
  • Hyland, Liam.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Kelly, Laurence.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Lyons, Denis.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McDaid, Jim.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P. J.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Noonan, Michael J. (Limerick West).
  • O'Connell, John.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • O'Toole, Martin Joe.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Reynolds, Albert.
  • Roche, Dick.
  • Stafford, John.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Wilson, John P.
  • Woods, Michael.

Níl

  • Ahearn, Therese.
  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Belton, Louis J.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Bruton, John.
  • Bruton. Richard.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Cosgrave, Michael Joe.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Doyle, Joe.
  • Dukes, Alan.
  • Durken, Bernard.
  • Farrelly, John V.
  • Fennell, Nuala.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Foxe, Tom.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Quinn, Ruairí
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Reynolds, Gerry.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Garland, Roger.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Gregory, Tony.
  • Harte, Paddy.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kemmy, Jim.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Lee, Pat.
  • Lowry, Michael.
  • McCartan, Pat.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • Mac Giolla, Tomás.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Nealon, Ted.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • (Limerick East).
  • O'Sullivan, Gerry.
  • Sherlock, Joe.
  • Taylor-Quinn, Madeleine.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Yates, Ivan.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies V. Brady and Browne(Wexford); Níl, Deputies McCartan and Flanagan.
Question declared carried.
Amendment declared lost.

In accordance with Standing Order 93 (2), I declare the Bill to have been read a Second Time.

When is it proposed to take Committee Stage?

Tuesday week, subject to agreement between the Whips.

Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 7 May, 1991.
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