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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 3 Dec 1991

Vol. 413 No. 9

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers (Resumed). - Health Safety Regulations.

Jimmy Deenihan

Ceist:

8 Mr. Deenihan asked the Minister for Education the arrangements he has made for the implementation of the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1990 in schools; the steps he has taken to ensure that each school board of management prepares a safety statement; and the number of schools who have already done so; the arrangements which have been made for the selection and training of safety representatives in each school; and whether his attention has been drawn to the fact that many sub-standard primary school buildings may well be in breach of the Act.

Bernard Allen

Ceist:

86 Mr. Allen asked the Minister for Education if health and safety regulations are implemented in primary and second level schools; the number of schools that have failed the health and safety regulation test in recent years; and if he will give details of the schools which have failed this test.

Ivor Callely

Ceist:

240 Mr. Callely asked the Minister for Education if he will outline the procedures which have been put in place by his Department arising from the implications of the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1989; if he will further outline the progress which has been made; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Peter Barry

Ceist:

258 Mr. Barry asked the Minister for Education if his Department and the State agencies under his control have prepared a safety statement as required under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1989.

I propose to take Questions Nos. 8, 86, 240 and 258 together.

I am committed to a policy of maintaining a safe and healthy working environment for my staff, as required under the Act. To this end, my Department have, in consultation with staff, prepared a written statement specifying the manner in which safety, health and welfare will be secured. The statement sets out my Department's general policy on safety, health and welfare and specifies the organisational arrangements for carrying out that policy. Provision has been made in the statement for on-going consultation with staff on matters related to safety and health. The main forum for such consultation will be a joint safety committee which is in course of being established. Consultation will also take place at each work location with safety representatives who have been appointed by staff.

The management authorities of schools, colleges and education agencies are the employers of their staffs and as such responsibility for implementation of the provisions of the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1989, rests primarily with them.

In order to increase awareness of the provisions of the Act, 1989, and in order to standardise safety statements as far as possible, my Department propose to issue a circular to school authorities to assist them in preparing such statements.

The Health and Safety Authority has produced guidelines on safety statements. These guidelines are designed as an aid to employers and the self-employed in drawing up a safety statement and a copy of the guidelines will be sent to all schools.

Additional information is also available on request from the Health and Safety Authority — Headquarters — Davitt House, Mespil Road, Dublin 4 or any of its regional offices.

I understand that the Irish Vocational Education Association has consulted with insurers and legal advisers in relation to the 1989 Act and has organised seminars and briefing sessions for the chief executive officers and clerical/administrative staff of vocational education committees in relation to the matter.

The three teacher unions are making joint arrangements following discussions with my Department for the training of safety representatives. This involves, initially, training a number of tutors (teachers) who in turn will train a number of other teachers to act as safety representatives in schools. Fifteen teachers have already been trained as tutors and my Department have agreed to allow paid substitution for the days on which the tutors are engaged in training.

On 20 September 1991, the Department of Education, in co-operation with the National Industrial Safety Organisation (NISO) and through sponsorship from the Church and General Insurance plc., issued a video on safety in school science laboratories, to all second level schools and third level colleges.

In so far as the university sector is concerned, the Higher Education Authority met the college buildings and safety personnel in order to assess progress on the implementation of the provisions in the Act and the authority is satisfied that the colleges have been actively implementing the legislation. The authority will continue to monitor the situation and keep my Department informed of progress.

The replacement or upgrading of sub-standard buildings is being addressed at all levels through an extensive building programme which is proceeding within the limits of the available resources.

Safety has always been a crucial consideration in the design, construction, improvement and fitting out of educational facilities.

First of all, I would like to welcome the Minister to his first Question Time. Would he agree that many of our primary and secondary schools are clearly sub-standard and are in breach of the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1989? May I ask him who pays to have the corrective process put in place — is it the Department of Education or the board of management? Obviously, the Minister will agree that many hazards will have to be removed in these schools in order to render them safe. I am sure the Minister would agree that boards of management connot afford to put the corrective processes in place. Therefore, who will pay — the Department of Education or the board of management?

Brevity, please.

I do not agree with the first statement that many of the schools are in such a bad condition. However, payment will be a matter to be discussed with the Department through the extensive building programme which is going ahead. It will be a matter for the local management committee to point out where there are dangers. There are many dangers in schools that have nothing to do with buildings — play areas, swings and so on. The standard of school buildings is by and large very much up to the mark. I hope that the school safety committee would be able to point out the dangers and, perhaps, take corrective measures where no money is required for those improvements. If moneys are required for those improvements the matter should then be referred to the Department.

In the Programme for Economic and Social Progress the Government promised to replace or refurbish sub-standard primary schools. What has the Minister put in motion to ensure that this takes place? Regarding primary schools, I would refer briefly to an article today in The Irish Times——

I am afraid that that would not be in order.

The article pointed to what I have been saying about primary schools, that many of them are sub-standard. In this case the local health officer warned——

——against hepatitis in those schools because of sub-standard facilities. Will the Minister outline his programme for the replacement of and refurbishing of sub-standard schools? Also——

I am sorry, Deputy, we are dealing with Priority Questions and brevity is the key note.

This is the last one.

Please, Deputy.

I have seen people coming in here asking supplementary questions ad nauseam——

Deputy, please put your question. Let it be relevant and brief. No statements, please.

You are not in Croke Park now.

The Chair seems to have a tendency to stop some people but not others.

Deputy Deenihan, let us not waste time. If the Deputy reflects on the Chair I shall have to take action, and I will take action.

What financial commitment has the Minister made to initiate training courses for teachers, especially to train safety officers? Also——

That should be adequate, Deputy.

——does the Minister feel that there are enough safety inspectors available to schools in order to survey the schools if they are required to do so?

The Deputy keeps emphasising that there are many schools involved. That is not the case and I would not like that impression to be given. Certainly some schools need to be brought up from a low standard due to many years of neglect. I have already stated what we have set out with regard to training teachers and tutors who will teach in the 4,000 schools involved in this. With regard to financial matters, we are at the moment concluding Estimates and until they are completed I will not be in a position to say what finance will be available to carry out the immediate necessary works.

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