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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 3 Jun 1992

Vol. 420 No. 6

Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Jobs Survey.

Eamon Gilmore

Ceist:

17 Mr. Gilmore asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce if he will confirm that a survey undertaken by an official of the planning unit of his Department indicated that the total cost of creating 7,000 net jobs in the ten years from 1981 to 1990 was £4.58 billion or £228,000 per job; if he will outline his response to the survey; if he will have the survey published in full in order to further the debate on industrial development, and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Mervyn Taylor

Ceist:

42 Mr. Taylor asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce if he will make a statement on the findings of the special study undertaken by a person (details supplied) of the planning unit of his Department regarding the cost of creating jobs; if he will outline the main findings of the study; and if he will make a statement on the implications of the findings and generally on the matter.

I propose to take Questions Nos. 17 and 42 together.

The study to which the Deputies refer was undertaken within my Department as part of an ongoing evaluation of the industrial development process. The study examined the grant support paid to, and the job performance of, Irish-owned and foreign-owned industry over the period 1981 to 1990. The study was made available to the members of the Industrial Policy Review Group who drew on its findings and referred specifically to it in their own report — the Culliton report.

The analysis undertaken in the study shows that the net change in employment from end 1980 to end 1990 in firms which were grant-aided by IDA and SFADCo in the 1981-1990 period was about 7,000 jobs. The amount paid in industrial grants to these firms in the 1981-1990 period was £1.6 billion approximately in 1990 prices.

These figures clearly raise questions about the various programmes for industrial promotion which existed in the period. Some of those programmes, such as re-equipment grants for industry, even in cases where employment was being reduced, existed in the earlier part of the eighties but subsequently ceased.

In publishing my Department's Review of Industrial Performance over a year ago I said in the Preface to the Review:

it is clear that a poor correlation exists between State expenditure (direct and tax-related) on industry and net employment creation. State expenditure on industrial incentives is clearly not the determining factor. Net change in manufacturing employment depends on demand conditions and domestic and export markets, on the cost of capital and on the ability and willingness of Irish-based industrial firms to compete effectively on these markets. These factors are in turn partly dependent on the Government's fiscal stance, its taxation policies and on the consensus approach by the social partners to national recovery.

I pointed out that the employment performance of medium/large indigenous industry was particularly disappointing over the past 20 years. I said that:

In the three years of the Review period employment in the sector fell by more than 9,000 despite the input of tens of millions of pounds in State expenditure. The performance of the sector raises serious questions about effectiveness of the instruments used in pursuit of the development of the sector.

I also said that there is a "need to ensure a value for money assessment system, relating expenditure to objectives and performance, is in place for each promotional measure operated by the industrial development bodies".

The study to which the Deputies refer is part of the assessment system to which I then referred and which is being put in place by my Department. Its findings will be fully taken into account in the reform of industrial policy that will follow from the report and recommendations of the Culliton Group which, as I have indicated, had full access to the study report and its findings.

The figure of £4.58 billion, mentioned by Deputy Gilmore, is not contained in the study report. This amount, which was quoted in a recent press article, appears to include, in addition to the cost of grants, an estimate of the cost of tax reliefs for industry. That estimate of tax expenditure appears to relate not only to the manufacturing firms grant-aided in the 1981-1990 period and included in my Department's studies but to the wider industrial sector also.

Neither is the cost per job figure of £228,000, quoted by Deputy Gilmore, contained in the study report. It would be misleading and an oversimplification to derive cost-per-job figures by simply dividing the gross expenditure on grants over a period, such as the eighties, by the net job change over the same period by the firms which got those grants. Such an approach would not, for example, take account of the fact that in the eighties many jobs that had previously been carried out by the direct employees of grant-aided industrial firms were increasingly sub-contracted to external non-manufacturing firms in areas such as maintenance, transportation, distribution and so on. Many of these sub-contracting firms were established by former employees of the grant-aided industrial firms from which they received work. I would also ignore the fact that grant-assisted jobs were created in firms during the years 1981-1990 but not sustained until the end of 1990. Finally, such an approach would also fail to take account of the substantial indirect employment created more widely in the economy as a result of the direct and indirect expenditure by grant-aided industrial firms in purchasing goods and services.

In view of the fact that the Minister has acknowledged that poor correlation exists between expenditure and performance on job creation and in view of his comments about the method used to calculate the net cost per job, would he arrange for the publication of the full study carried out by the officer in the planning unit of his Department?

In addition to publishing the main report, I have already published 16 of the reports prepared for the Culliton review group, an unprecedented move. I am not aware that 16, frequently very substantial, back-up papers have ever been published with a report of this kind. Therefore, I do not propose to publish any further documentation. In particular, it would be inappropriate to publish the study to which the Deputy refers, as that was a study from one of the back-up papers that has been published. That study was not drawn up with a view to publication. It is unnecessary to publish the study and publication could be somewhat misleading in that the study considers the position from one narrow perspective only.

I appreciate the Miniser's commitment to open government. However, I put it to him that this study, which shows that an enormous amount of public money — £1.6 billion over ten years — was spent with a very poor return to the State in terms of employment creation, should be published so that the public can know the full extent to which taxpayers' money is being spent on job creation and the poor performance arising out of that. Why is the Minister declining to publish the report in view of the fact that he has already published 16 studies?

I have already given the reasons for that. The study to which the Deputy refers was carried out on a particular aspect of one matter——

A very important aspect.

The study was carried out by an official in my Department and was provided to the Culliton group and also to one of the groups advising the Culliton group. The Deputy will note in the report comments made by the group on some of the figures contained in the study. I might add that not only are the figures quoted by the Deputy not included in this study but they are also not included in Culliton's own references or comments. It is not necessary for me to publish any more than the 16 very extensive papers that I have already published which, I believe, is without precedent.

I have a very brief supplementary question. I have heard the Minister's moderation of the figures and I welcome them. I have heard them before. Is it not the case that the revised figure of £1.6 billion shows that there has been something rotten in the expenditure/job creation relationship in this country? Will the Minister make the study available to the task force on the Culliton report? I suggest that that study is very relevant to those who are seeking to supervise and implement the proposals of the Cullition report.

I believe that the report has been made available to them; I cannot say that with absolute certainty but I would be very surprised if it has not, because all information in my Department and in a range of other Departments that is relevant to their task has been and is being made available to the task force.

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