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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 18 Nov 1993

Vol. 435 No. 11

Adjournment Debate. - Mortgage Interest Supplement.

This matter involves hardship for two families. It may affect other families also, but these are two specific cases where the mortgage interest supplement is being denied and where both families, who are now affected by unemployment, find they cannot meet their mortgages. When the contracts were signed one or both of the partners in these families was working. However, between the stage of signing the contracts and collecting the key of the house they became unemployed. They are now being denied this supplement because the authorities refuse to give the supplement to people who were unemployed at the time they took on the responsibility of buying their homes. That is the rule according to the health board, but these people were not unemployed when they took on the responsibility. They signed contracts at a time when they were in employment and did not foresee any unemployment situation arising.

These families will be destroyed if we cannot overrule this nonsensical bureaucracy. It will also put them back on the housing list, where they will be provided with accommodation at enormous cost to the taxpayer. It is likely that at some stage in the future one or both of these families will regain employment. The treatment of these families shows a great deal of inhumanity on the part of those who have made this decision.

One of these families is from Drimnagh and the other is from Crumlin. In the case of the first family, they pay a mortgage of £207 per month but are now receiving unemployment assistance of only £116 per week. The husband in this case worked until May 1993 and received final approval from Dublin Corporation for the purchase of this house the previous month on 27 April. It is a shared ownership scheme, but he did not collect the keys to the house until a month after he became unemployed. Despite the fact that he had entered into a contract, the health board is now saying that he is not entitled to the supplement.

The second case involves a couple who are not married; they are common law husband and wife. The letter from the health board refers to them both, but a previous reference to the case which I raised here by way of parliamentary question referred only to the lady concerned. The man in this case was working when they both signed the contracts; but, again, when they received the keys the man had become unemployed. They have an endowment policy loan on which the repayments are £310 per month.

Both of these families are now facing ruin because of a technicality. I am asking the Minister to put a stop to this nonsense. At the end of the day it will cost the State more, in addition to the terrible trauma that will be caused to these families. If they have to give up their homes in Drimnagh and Crumlin, respectively, the only place they can be accommodated by the local authority is in Tallaght or some area where there are houses available at present. That would mean taking their children out of the community, enrolling them in new schools, losing the deposit which they sacrificed everything to put together as well as the repayments they have made so far. If they could be given a little help to get over this difficulty they would eventually be able to fend for themselves.

In both these cases the families are self-starters. They did not seek to be housed by the city because they were aware of the difficult housing situation. Both of them are from ordinary Dublin working class families and they made great sacrifices to put together a deposit for a house. They now find that everything they have is being thrown to one side by what I consider to be an outrageously bureaucratic interpretation of the rules.

It is our job, not just to raise taxes and legislate. This is a House of Representatives, and the overall Government and its agencies are accountable. In this case the Eastern Health Board has gone too far. The Minister should advise them that for the sake of both these families and others like them, the rules should not be adhered to in this rigid, technical manner. It would be different if they had been unemployed all the time and had taken on this responsibility against the advice given to them but that is not the case. In both cases they were employed at the time of signature of the contract.

I hope the Minister will be in a position not just to inform me of the view of her Department and the Eastern Health Board but to review these two cases and direct that these two families are assisted.

Under the provisions of the supplementary welfare allowance scheme, a payment may be made to a person whose means are insufficient to meet his or her needs in respect of the interest element of a mortgage repayment subject to a minimum contribution of £5 from that individual's own resources.

The determination of individual applications for assistance with mortgage interest repayments is a matter for each health board. However, in general, it is health board policy not to assist people who secure a mortgage when they are not in a financial position to meet their repayments. That policy is as much in the interests of protecting the individual as in the interests of the relevant health board.

In one of the cases in question, involving a male applicant, he became unemployed and claimed unemployment assistance on 21 May of this year having applied to Dublin Corporation in March of this year to purchase a house under the shared-ownership scheme.

The sale was closed on 25 June 1993. However, Dublin Corporation has informed the Department of Social Welfare that it was not advised of the change in the applicant's circumstances and that if they had it would have been necessary to reassess the application. Dublin Corporation also indicated it is not its policy to grant mortgages to persons in receipt of unemployment payments.

In this case the Eastern Health Board refused the application because the person in question had entered into a commitment when he was not in a position to meet the repayments.

The circumstances are similar in the second case in that the person in question received mortgage approval on 5 February, 1993 when she and her partner were in receipt of social employment scheme or unemployment payments. The health board refused the application on the same basis as the previous case.

The guidelines on payment of rent and mortgage supplements are currently under review by an advisory committee involving all the eight health boards and chaired by the Department of Social Welfare. I will ask the committee to consider the specific issues raised by the Deputy in these applications.

The Department of Social Welfare is interested in assisting individuals to the maximum possible extent. Nonetheless, one must be realistic in terms of an individual's ability to take on a very substantial commitment when they are not in employment. Certainly, in relation to the specific cases raised by Deputy Gay Mitchell, I will have officials of my Department examine them in some detail to ascertain whether the Eastern Health Board or Dublin Corporation are in a position to carry out a further review of their cases.

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