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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 27 Jan 1994

Vol. 437 No. 7

Financial Resolutions, 1994. - Financial Resolution No. 8: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
THAT it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

Before we adjourned for Question Time I was indicating that this is a budget for enterprise and employment, creating the framework within which we can stimulate economic growth to create wealth and, consequently, produce jobs. I referred to the new enterprise fund, the £100 million of working capital that would be made available to Irish industries on unique terms. With this measure I have provided small businesses with a significant shield in terms of the duration of the loans they can get and the terms and conditions under which they can borrow. It is, however, the small businesses who must use this shield for their further development and for the creation and stabilisation of jobs.

This scheme will complement the packages introduced by the commercial banks together with small businesses over the last six months. We can also look forward to upwards of £10 million to be made available from Irish pension funds for venture capital investment and the coming on stream of the Edinburgh European Union subsidised loans schemes later this year.

As Deputies will be aware, county enterprise boards are now operating in each county and city throughout the country. The enthusiasm and commitment which they have brought to promoting enterprising initiatives is reflected in the fact that over £3 million in grant assistance for projects was approved by the boards in their first eight weeks of operation this year. I can now confirm to the House that the Government is committed to ensuring that the boards will have the resources they need to do the job they have been set. I wrote to all the boards this week confirming that the Government has approved £500,000 as an initial target for each board's grant approvals for the current year. I will be prepared to adjust that limit upwards having regard to the quality of their action plans and the progress they are making in implementing them.

There is even more in this budget for small businesses. The whole area of compliance and regulation with the Revenue Commissioners and the other regulatory authorities will be integrated and simplified to reduce the paper work and, where possible, eliminate bureaucracy. This is a budget for enterprise in every sense of the word.

It is also a budget for employment and its main thrust will be to reward those at work, particularly the lower paid. The Labour Party does not apologise for concentrating its efforts in that area. The lower paid have had to carry a disproportionate burden of our PAYE taxation system. Therefore, we have unashamedly concentrated the focus of our income tax relief on the lower and middle income groups as part of a strategy which, over time, will ensure that the majority of workers will pay income tax at the standard rate of 27 per cent. The effect of the taxation changes will be to make work more attractive for those able to get jobs. The combined economic policies of the Government, as reflected in the budget, will ensure that the GDP of the economy will grow by 4 per cent in 1994. With inflation predicted to be at 2.5 per cent for the year the economy is now in a position to move forward. We must ensure that the movement is to the maximum benefit of all our people.

Last year the rate of unemployment projected in January was for an average of 310,000 but the real figure was approximately 296,000. This year the projected rate of unemployment, using the same model as last year, is a figure of 289,000.

That is because there will be more people on the special schemes.

I will come to that in a few minutes. I am comparing like with like. That figure remains unacceptably high and we have to reduce it. The stimulus to the economy which the State is giving through this budget will ensure that employment will increase in 1994 but the rate of increase will not be sufficient to meet our needs. For that reason we have taken a new and imaginative step to develop and expand the third sector of the Irish economy with the community employment programme.

By the end of the year up to 40,000 people will be employed in a new employment programme which will replace the social employment scheme, the community employment development programme and Teamwork.

Will they be categorised as unemployed?

The social employment scheme which I introduced nine years ago has provided work and employment for over 100,000 people, 30 per cent of whom went on to find full-time employment in the public or private sectors. It was confined to persons who were long term unemployed and over the age of 25.

The community employment development programme was introduced in the 12Programme for Economic and Social Progress company areas as a response to economic and unemployment hardship. Its terms and conditions were more generous than the social employment scheme and it provided an element of training and personal developments. Teamwork was an employment programme for young people and many voluntary organisations, particularly in the health sector, found it an invaluable programme which ensured they were able to undertake their important work.

The new Community Employment Programme draws from the extensive experience which FÁS now has of managing and operating those programmes and integrates the best features of all three in a combined and unified system which will provide clarity for both the participants and sponsors. It will work in the following manner with the following conditions: community employment programmes will operate throughout the country providing part-time work together with personal and skills development opportunities for the unemployed. In the designated areas under the Local Development Programme, LDP, it will be operated as a key resource where special additional efforts will be made to improve the progression chances of participants through co-ordinated area action.

Projects undertaken within the programme will be for community and public benefit and may be sponsored by public bodies and voluntary organisations. Commercial State or private companies will be eligible for consideration as sponsors of special projects carried out under the Local Development Programme.

As I said, the programme will provide up to 40,000 places on a voluntary basis by the end of 1994. The scale of provision envisaged represents a doubling of end 1993 levels of participation on FÁS temporary employment schemes.

Does this mean that the number of unemployed will fall by 20,000?

The following will be eligible to participate in the community employment programme: persons aged 21 years or over in receipt of unemployment assistance; persons in receipt of unemployment benefit for more than one year; persons in receipt of lone parent's allowance for more than one year; other special categories e.g. Youthreach progression participants, referrals by the National Rehabilitation Board and persons combining a period on a recognised programme.

Within the total eligible pool of over 200,000 persons approximately, priority in recruitment will be given to the older and longer term unemployed and other priority groups targeted in area action plans. As a target, 25 per cent of all places will be set aside for the very long term unemployed, i.e. those aged over 45 unemployed for three years or more.

Participants will receive a weekly allowance consisting of a personal payment and additional payments for any adult or child dependants as follows: personal allowance, £77; adult dependent allowance, £33.70 and each child dependant £12.80. This means that a single participant will receive £77 per week while a participant with an adult dependant and two children will have take home pay of £136.30 per week. In addition, all participants with a previous entitlement will retain secondary and other benefits. Participation will be for 20 hours per week or 40 hours per fortnight. Participants will be recruited initially for one year but many may be retained by sponsors for a second year with the agreement of FÁS in the following limited circumstances: as key participants, e.g. to undertake core administrative or specialist work or where the participant would benefit from continued participation in terms of additional training and development to help them find employment in either the public or private sector or in cases where no other suitable, eligible participants are available. In the case of older participants unemployed for more than three years, efforts will be made to provide places of up to three years.

Will the Minister explain the reason it has a limited lifespan?

The reason is that we want to try to get as many people as possible into the system because all the evidence shows that if those who have been unemployed for a period of time can get work experience they will find it easier to find employment in either the public or private sectors. Approximately 30 per cent of those who have taken part in the social employment scheme have managed to find work.

Is it a good idea to put somebody out of a job?

We would prefer to have more people taking part and we will be considering this through time. In the original social employment scheme provision was made for 10,000 participants. At that stage, it was felt that it would not be possible to employ that number of people within the system.

It should be stated that, in contrast to the social employment scheme, the new community employment programme will have a development module for participants averaging 25 days during the initial 12 months of the scheme; a minimum of 15 days will apply to this module. Additional development modules will be provided to particpants being retained for a second year. Development modules will include personal-employment skills, technical skills relating to project work and support for own time development. Development modules will be available to participants on projects of 11 workers or more and amalgamation of smaller projects to reach this level will be facilitated by FÁS. Training grants will be provided. Development modules will be phased in over 1994-95, starting initially in areas covered by the Local Development Programme.

Sponsors of projects will be approved by FÁS for periods of up to two years, subject to annual review and availability of budgets. Under the present system, they are approved on a yearly basis and per capita grants for materials and supervision will be provided.

It is proposed that the Community Employment Programme will provide a key resource in areas covered by the Local Development Programme, with funding for the programme in those areas being provided from the Vote of the Department of the Taoiseach through FÁS. Specifically, the programme will link with local development programmes in the following way. Selection of participants through FÁS will take account of the recruitment priorities agreed in area action plans and will also link with initial contact initiatives which will give supportive counselling inputs to participants; FÁS will provide for job guidance inputs prior to and during the programme. Within area action plans realistic objectives will be set and measures identified for implementation by FÁS, to encourage and facilitate progression by participants, following CEDP, to education, training and employment. Special projects which provide enhanced work experience-development and whose content is linked explicitly to local development objectives will be encouraged by FÁS working in co-operation with area partnerships. Such projects will be approved for up to three years subject to annual review by FÁS, and will qualify for top-up capital-materials grants from a dedicated fund of £3 million per annum, to be provided under the disadvantaged areas sub-pro-gramme of the Local Development Programme. Commercial State or private companies will also be eligible to sponsor such projects, carrying out work of community benefit.

The details of implementation of the Community Employment Programme are being finalised by FÁS to enable it to start from 1 March this year. FÁS will be in direct contact with sponsors of existing schemes to discuss implementation and to minimise disruption. Deputies who have an interest in this programme should contact their local FÁS regional managers for the specific details of how the programme will operate in their own areas.

The Community Employment Programme will require and, I know, will obtain the full support and co-operation of the social partners both at national and local level. I was pleased to hear the comments of the president of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions yesterday in response to the budget expressing concerns in regard to the need for increased employment. He repeated these concerns on radio this morning. I presume, therefore, that the Government and local communities will receive the full co-operation of the social partners in ensuring that all local authorities who wish to avail of the Community Employment Programme will be able to do so.

The Conference of Major Religious Superiors has, among others, been looking at the whole question of unemployment in our society and in particular the whole world of work in the changing context of the world's economy. We all need to be able to move in new and imaginative ways to ensure that alienation and social exclusion in our society is not brought about because of a person's inability to find gainful employment.

The third sector of employment utilising the Community Employment Programme is the basis upon which a future integration of all persons willing voluntarily to contribute their skills and abilities to our society can be encouraged and facilitated. The ideas which have been articulated by the CMRS and others will be investigated in pilot projects over the course of this year. They contain the basis for a radical transformation of the whole area of employment within the third sector of our society, the active engagement of persons in the third sector will in no way damage the competitive basis of the private sector and its wealth creating functions or the employment structures of the public sector which are an essential component to the efficient infrastructure in our society.

Before I conclude, I want to reject outright the accusation by Deputy Yates in this Chamber yesterday, as quoted in the newspapers today, that "The Labour Party thinks that the private sector, deep down, are a shower of chancers".

The feeling is mutual.

This was the kind of colourful phrase used by Deputy Yates' predecessor, Deputy Noonan, and Deputy Yates felt obliged on his first outing as Finance spokesperson for the Fine Gael Party to emulate him and use that phrase.

Anybody looking at this budget and at the thrust in favour of enterprise in general and small businesses in particular coming from the Department of Enterprise and Employment for which the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has responsibility can clearly see that the small business sector and the private sector of this economy have never had such a favourable response from a Department through the budget to the stated needs they expressed through the task force on small business and through the numerous representations they have made to me and to my colleagues in the parliamentary Labour Party.

I believe this is a good budget. It is focused; it has a strategy and it is the product of a number of months' work. It builds on the success of last year's budget — and I use that phrase advisedly because so much was said against last year's budget at the time. Last year's budget set out to achieve something nobody thought was possible at the time — the stabilisation of the Irish economy. We are in a more stable position now than anybody would have predicted this time last year and that takes into account the extra provision that had to be made from within resources for the Aer Lingus rescue package.

This budget rewards risk and enterprise. It encourages employment. It will help the economy to grow and therefore to create new jobs and within that context it unashamedly focuses its priorities on low and middle income groups who have carried the burden of taxation for too long.

I am proud to say that the Labour Party in Government has had a clear and sustained input into this budget as can be clearly seen by anybody who wants to examine it in detail. Working together Labour and Fianna Fáil have transformed the economy in the last 12 months. This time last year nobody would have believed that the new partnership Government of Fianna Fáil and Labour together would have brought about a situation where only ourselves and Luxembourg qualify for participation in the European Economic and Monetary Union under the Maastricht Treaty criteria. This time last year nobody would have said that the new Government would be able to negotiate successfully the transformation that has occurred in Aer Lingus, and nobody this time last year would have been able to say that the business confidence within the community would be at the level it is today.

That is what has been achieved and it has provided the basis for this year's budget which now takes us forward and will give us the momentum to move forward. We can do great things in this economy in the next year. Last night on one of the television programmes two independent economists, one from a firm of consultants and the other working for the current affairs programme "Marketplace" talked about the possibility of the Irish economy being overheated. This time last year nobody would have thought this was remotely possible, and certainly nobody could have said that one would be looking at the prospect of an Irish economy being overheated while still staying within the guidelines of the Maastricht Treaty criteria. This is the product of very sound financial management by Labour and Fianna Fáil working together and I therefore reject as outright nonsense the stupid remarks that were made by Deputy Ivan Yates, perhaps out of desperation, seeking to find something on which to attack the budget yesterday afternoon. We believe in a mixed economy but, more important, because we believe in it and are also a Socialist Party, we know how to make a mixed economy work in a way that seems to have eluded Fine Gael over the years. I am proud to commend this budget to the House.

Mr. J. Higgins rose.

On a point of order, before Deputy Higgins speaks, I was minded earlier today to seek a quorum simply to try to get this House to take the budget seriously. However, since it is late on a Thursday afternoon I will not call a quorum, but it is a sad reflection on this House that in large measure the debate has been a head-to-head of word processors attended by nobody. I want to record that fact.

I would like to put on the record that I stand four square behind the comments made by Deputy Yates yesterday. His first performance as spokesperson on Finance, very much off the cuff, replying to the Minister's budget speech which lasted two hours, was superb. It was a valid repudiation of many of the assertions which the Government, the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Enterprise and Employment would have us believe is part of this Government's so-called success story.

I do not share the enthusiasm of the Minister for Enterprise and Employment for what he calls a budget for enterprise and employment. In justifying the 1 per cent levy he mentioned that the pain was worth while. I wonder was the pain worth while to the 40 workers who lost their jobs at Claremorris Limited? Was the pain worth while to the 300 workers whose jobs at A.T. Cross are now on the line? Is the pain worthwhile to the 800 people whose houses were repossessed last year because they lost their jobs and have not been able to meet their mortgages? I wonder is the pain worth while to the 296,000 people who face the dole queue every weekday and for whom this budget offers no hope whatsoever?

In the past, budgets have come in every hue, shape and size. We have had hair shirt budgets, we have had give-away budgets. I do not think it was simply that this budget was well leaked in advance and that we heard all the more salient details from various economic commentators, the Cliff Taylors and the Michael Ronaynes. Perhaps it is part of the new Labour philosophy of open Government to leak the budget in advance so that what we get in the House by way of presentation from the Minister is very much the leftovers, a bit like stale porter. This is a bad practice and should be frowned upon. In terms of preserving its own integrity any Government worth its salt should revert to the long established practice of keeping the details of the budget a secret until such time as it is presented to the people to whom it should be presented first, the Teachtaí Dála, the people sent here to represent the people of Ireland from various constituencies.

This was a bad budget. We have had bad budgets, colourful budgets, hair shirt budgets. However, I cannot think of any budget as drab or as grey as yesterday's performance since I began to take an interest in budgets. It was a dull budget, and it was particularly dull in the light of the great expectations that something very significant was about to happen. The tragedy, apart from the lack of colour, was the failure of the Government to use its very powerful position and the fact that there is responsible Opposition in this House to really bite the economic bullet and employ some kind of cutting edge in order to eat into unemployment.

This is a budget of bits and pieces. There is a bit added here and a bit substracted there but between the checks and the balances, the swings and the roundabouts, there is nothing much in it for anybody. It is a "keep the finger crossed" budget, a budget hoping that something will turn up; it is a holding operation, it is treading water and that is not what we need at this juncture. There is absolutely no vigour in it, no energy, no dynamism, no positive thrust, no attempt to bite the economic bullet. Certainly there is very little realisation in it that the Government has 100 seats, the largest majority ever, a mysteriously high opinion poll rating, responsible Opposition and some real money with which to tackle the problems, and yet it failed miserably to do anything significant about the two millstones that are pulling this country down — unemployment and the crippling national debt.

Last year's budget was looked upon as a missed opportunity, and irrespective of how the Minister for Enterprise and Employment may try to defend his colleague, it was a missed opportunity and that is how economic commentators saw it in the post-budget period. This year's budget was a double disappointment. It was disappointing in its content and it was disappointing because when Minister Ahern was Minister for Labour he had been chomping at the bit, anxious to spread his wings and develop his full potential in an economic Ministry. When the "Mercs and perks" were being given out by the previous Taoiseach Deputy Ahern made no secret of the fact that he wanted Finance or nothing. He got Finance but, unfortunately, he has not produced anything because budget after budget have been failures and disappointments.

In his speech, the Minister was particularly loud in his praise of our fiscal financial performance. He said that Ireland's fiscal performance has been among the best in the European Union over the years. No matter how we try to delude ourselves by talking about keeping the Exchequer borrowing requirement below 3 per cent of GNP, the Exchequer borrowing requirement in this budget is £593 million. When added to the 1992 national debt of £28.5 billion, our national debt is almost £30 billion. The raw reality of that statistic is that 60p of every £1 collected in income tax by the Minister will as a result of yesterday's budget go to servicing the national debt. Effectively, that is wasted money. The Minister missed a golden opportunity yesterday to do something positive about this when he had some real cash. As long as that national debt hangs around our necks we will go nowhere, and ratios are irrelevant in that context. The fact is that our national debt is steadily increasing. When the Minister had the figures on his side he should have done something about it.

Ireland has become an unemployment society. In spite of all the rhetoric the Government has given up the ghost. In the last election the people voted for change; they voted for The Labour Party in an effort to bring about a change in the country's dismal unemployment record. They invested heavily in The Labour Party as the instrument of that change, but if one takes unemployment as the barometer of success, that was an extremely bad investment; it has backfired. For a Government that has put jobs at the top of its agenda, a figure of 300,000 unemployed is appalling. I note that the Minister patted himself on the back with some glee because the predictions for last year were not met. That is part of a conditioning process. In reality, unemployment will continue to increase and the Government accepts that the position will deteriorate. Despite all the economic data, the forecasts, the figures and the analyses nobody at Government level is in a position to indicate when we will turn the corner in regard to unemployment.

Statistics for this country are frightening. In the first year of a partnership Government who talked about putting trust back in politics, receiverships increased by 63 per cent. There were 716 liquidations, 30 per cent of office space is vacant and 11 per cent of costly IDA advanced factory space built on a wing and a prayer in the hope of attracting industry is unoccupied. Redundancies have increased by 26 per cent. We have had the Culliton and Moriarty reports, the recommendations of which were loudly commended and the broad thrust of them accepted. Rather than acting on those recommendations, the Government spent most of its time on bureaucratic reorganisation of State agencies.

As if we did not have enough State agencies with a plethora of bodies such as FÁS, Forbairt, the IDA, Bord Fáilte, CTT and so on we now have county enterprise boards and the sub-division and amalgamation in some cases of agencies which have failed. By amalgamating agencies which are proven failures we are guaranteeing a collective failure. We have layer upon layer of State agencies many of whom are staffed by individuals who do not have real experience of the cut and thrust of economic life outside. There is no recognition of the fact that if a person is to manage a State agency or work in a Government Department which handles a large portion of the public purse, whether it is the Department of Enterprise and Employment or the Department of Finance, he or she needs experience in the competitive world. Most civil servants never worked in the "real" world and have never had to endure the buffeting of the recessionary winds or competitive practices. Those people need experience in the competitive world. Any reorganisation of the public service, whether in the IDA or the economic ministries, should include the key personnel in those offices being expected to work in the real business world outside in order to experience the pressures and become conditioned to the reality of economic life and bring that experience to bear on their policy decisions. In saying that I mean no disrespect to those involved. They are of a high calibre and intellect and have tremendous ability, but experience is the best means of training, honing, refining and giving a person the perception needed for the real world.

As in previous years we have had announcements of initiatives and programmes in this budget. We have gone down that road before and many programmes have been unsuccessful. I welcome the FÁS schemes in that they afford people the dignity of a day's work. I recall the present Minister for Tourism, Transport and Communications, Deputy Cowen, when he was Minister for Labour announcing an initiative under which we would liaise with Holland and other EC countries in regard to apprentice exchanges. The number of such exchanges is not very flattering and perhaps the Minister might give that idea another kick-start because it is a potentially good one. The global figures mentioned at that time were far from realised. That is what makes people sceptical, especially those on the dole queue. The lid is being kept on them in respect of social welfare increases. With a figure of 300,000 unemployed, unless we turn the corner soon we will be on the brink of a social backlash. In that regard the taxing of unemployment benefit which one receives for only a 15-month period following the trauma of losing one's job is unfair and insensitive. That measure should not have been introduced in the budget. People receive unemployment benefit for a short time following which they receive unemployment assistance for which they are means tested. If one spouse is working that is automatically taken into consideration in determining a person's means.

I had hoped this Government, with its huge majority and so-called healthy fiscal position which boasts of a 4 per cent growth rate, low inflation, a balance of trade and an educated but disappointed workforce, would use this budget to restructure economic life here. However, there has been no restructuring and no reforming. What this Government needed more than anything at this juncture was a budget to foster employment, but this budget falls far short of that. Despite what the Minister for Enterprise and Employment, Deputy Quinn, said in regard to nurturing employment, the reality is that because of our taxation regime and our PRSI — not because of high wages — it is far more cost effective and economic for a person to have a garment made in Manchester than in Claremorris. That is why the clothing industry is buckling at the knees. The budget has done nothing to resolve that situation. Unfortunately, because of the vulnerability of the clothing industry at present there will be more closures. The clothing industry is on a hiding to nothing.

In the Minister's speech there is a heading, "Agriculture and Food", but I respectfully submit that the word "Food" should not have been inserted because the food industry has not been mentioned in the speech. The food industry represents a squandered opportunity for job creation. From a reply to a statistical question I asked the Taoiseach yesterday in relation to the imports of confectionery products for the year 1992, I learned that we imported sugar confectionery, not containing chocolate, to the value of £33.8 million, chocolate and chocolate goods to the value of £55.4 million and pastry, cakes and biscuits and other bakers' wares to the value of £70.2 million. Those figures represent a total of £159.4 million of confectionery imports, long life products, which are to be found on the shelves of supermarkets from Ballybay to Ballybunion throughout the length and breadth of this country. With some encouragement all those products could be manufactured here. Yet, the Industrial Development Authority and the Department of Enterprise and Employment show scant concern for import substitution. There is a strong bakery trade in my county. I know several bakeries who have the know-how and the will to counter the importation of confectionery products, but the official policy of the IDA is singularly directed towards exports. I do not understand why people do not realise that £1 saved on substituting an import has exactly the same value as £1 obtained from exporting a product. Yet, there is no evidence that our blinkered, rigid bureaucratic approach is about to be broken down and in the meantime the imports continue to grow apace.

The aim is to create 35,000 new jobs in tourism during the next six years. That is a noble aim and it is possible, but I do not believe it will be realised. The tourism industry seems to be a mighty conundrum. Global figures are thrown out in relation to the number of bed nights and so on, but their accuracy is questionable. Many assertions have been made about the booming tourist trade and last year being a good year. However, the people at the coalface providing guest house accommodation had a bad year and, unfortunately, I do not believe 1994 will be much better because we have not grappled with the nitty-gritty of the problem. Costs are simply too high. Car insurance costs, care hire and, following the budget, the cost of food and drink, are too high. We have developed a fine array of large hotels with good facilities, on a par with the best hotels in the world, which provide top class accommodation. The Minister has provided £5 million, mainly for marketing, and that is welcome as marketing is vitally important, but I make a special plea for funding for the small hotel sector which does not receive any grants and which are fundamental to the tourism industry. Until now hotels with 40 rooms did not qualify for European Regional Development Fund funds. I urge the Minister to greatly reduce the qualifying threshold to assist the small hotel sector.

It is ironic that the Minister should lay heavy emphasis on 1994 being the International Year of the Family and then proceed to introduce one of the most anti-family budgets in the history of the State. Mortgage relief has been slashed. The same applies to VHI relief, which is the main health safety net for many middle income families. Disability and unemployment benefit have been taxed, but this will arise only in the case of a married couple where one spouse is working. There has been a monumental failure to pay tribute to the family during the International Year of the Family in that tax relief for dependant children has not been restored.

I welcome the additional allocation for Youthreach, but planners still do not seem to accept that there would be no need for many education rescue initiatives, such as Youthreach, meritorious though they are, which try to help people who left school without educational qualifications if sufficient resources were invested at primary school level. The Minister of State at the Department of Education appreciates more than anybody that there is a "bottom up" approach to education. Unfortunately, primary education, the corner-stone of education, is very much the poor relation. It has been proven time and time again that education intervention at the earliest possible date pays dividends. Unless we get matters right at primary level, get the three Rs right and pupils are able to proceed from one class to another, having reached a competent standard in the previous class, there will be a major education deficit. This involves remedial teaching at a later stage, Youthreach, VTOs and other compensatory schemes whereas if the money was invested at primary school level much trauma and expenditure down the road as well as the social problems which arise would be eliminated. We have a good education system here. Wittingly or otherwise we seem to train people psychologically to apply for rather than create a job. We train people in the cast of employee rather than as an employer. The Green Paper referred to an enterprise culture but that idea has not been fleshed out. I do not know how one creates enterprise entrepreneurial skills and the capacity to "give it a lash". Those skills are lacking and the education system, for all its merits, tends to cast people in a conservative rigid mould. I understood there would be some relief for education in the budget given the signpostings for the higher education grants sector. In this House we have laboured the point that in all the discriminatory, anti-PAYE anomaly ridden systems nothing could compare with the higher education grants system. Recently, I received a letter from a parent in County Tipperary who has two children in third level education and one child at home. The father's income is £18,000. The mother decided three years ago to go back to work and is earning a mere £8,000. The family's income is £26,000 which seems a good income. The reality is that it is reduced to £19,000 when the figure for income tax, including the 1 per cent levy that applied last year and PRSI are taken into consideration. The mortgage of £4,200 reduces their income to £12,000. The college fees for their two children must be paid in total and taking their VHI contribution into account the family's net disposable income is £123.50 per week. If that family had stayed on the dole their income would be £132.50 per week and they would be entitled to a medical card, clothing allowance and various ancillary benefits, possibly free fuel allowance.

The Minister stated that covenants will be reconsidered in the context of the review of higher education grants which is due to be announced at the end of February. I do not know what will emerge from that review because the scheme needs to be shaken from top to bottom. Unless there is a fundamental overhaul and cognisance of the difficulties and hardship faced by thousands of PAYE workers who have no escape hatch the review will have been in vain. There is room for improvement. Recently, I asked the Minister the cost to the Exchequer of covenants last year and I understand they cost £33 million in terms of tax savings. I hope there will be more than a token recognition of the plight of the PAYE sector in the forthcoming review.

I come from the west where there are five counties. In the Six Counties in the North there is a massive human tragedy unfolding. I commend all the efforts to bring about a cessation of violence and a peaceful solution to enable the North to develop as a social and economic entity. There are 1.5 million people in the North and the number is increasing; there are 500,000 people in the west and the number is decreasing. Between 1926 and 1991 the population in the west declined by 132,000. Recently I asked the Taoiseach for the number of townlands in the west which had disappeared from the electrol register between 1926 and 1991. They are Galway, 224; Leitrim, 145; Mayo, 175; Sligo, 67 and Roscommon, 148; a total of 759 townlands have no population. All that remain are tumbledown homesteads. Villages that were once vibrant communities are now dead. If we had an up-to-date assessment of the position between 1991 and 1994 we could possibly add another 50 or 60 to that figure.

I hope the Taoiseach will make the long overdue announcement that a regional technical college will be built in Castlebar. Castlebar is entitled to a fully fledged regional technical college, with no outreach or subsidiary courses to the regional technical college in Sligo or Galway. The case has been proved and the plans are on the drawing board. Promises have been made but time and again they have been broken. We will accept nothing less than a fully fledged regional technical college for Mayo. That could prove to be at least part of the catalyst to getting the economy of my county back on the rails.

As always, I found Deputy Higgins's contribution to be interesting and lively. As there is very little time left in this debate I will refer to some remarks made by the Deputy. He spoke about a scheme to allow civil servants take part in business life. Deputy Ruairí Quinnn, Minister for Enterprise and Employment, put forward this idea but I do not know as yet what the take up will be. Everybody who is interested has been informed of it. It would be an advantage for civil servants who have strong commitment to integrity to become involved in private industry.

The Deputy referred to the apprenticeship scheme, announced by Deputy Brian Cowen when Minister for Labour, which enables an exchange of apprenticeships between countries. Last September a group of 24 young Cork people went to Cologne under this scheme and I visited them there on 3-4 January. I also met some of the employers with whom they work. These young people are enjoying the experience and are learning fast. FÁS is about to enter a bakery apprenticeship agreement which would involve people travelling to another part of Germany. Following that, agreements, will be sought involving apprentices in all trades. The young people in Cologne, who are fitting into the scene there will receive training, a job and a passport for life. In this area of Germany there are 20,000 apprentice vacancies in the various designated trades and we are working towards extending the scheme to these areas. In view of the fact that one can travel quickly and easily from one part of the world to another, this is an idea that should be gladly taken up.

As I came into the House Deputy Higgins spoke about Forfás, IDA Ireland and Forbairt. While many people mock this tripartite arrangement, it is very sensible. Forbairt will be enabled to concentrate much more closely on indigenous industry and import substitution, to which the Deputy referred.

Debate adjourned.
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