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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 27 Jun 1995

Vol. 455 No. 1

Adjournment Debate. - Car Disposal Scheme.

Thank you, a Cheann Comhairle, for affording me the opportunity to raise this important matter, the cost to the State of scrapping old motor cars. There are approximately 218,000 cars over ten years old in this country. Because of the time given to section 171 of the Finance Act, 1995, there was not much time available to discuss other matters. Of particular interest to me is the payment of £1,000 in vehicle registration tax in respect of motor cars over ten years old which are scrapped and I congratulate the Minister for Finance for introducing it. The system becomes operational from the first day of next month and considerable interest in it has been expressed in my constituency and, I am sure, in other areas.

While I welcome the scheme as a forward thinking initiative by the Minister, I am sure it could be enhanced and developed further to achieve its primary objective, which is to get cars over ten years old off our roads and out of the system. The insurance statistics for some of these motor vehicles must be quite interesting — I will refer to this later.

The people in my constituency driving cars that are more than ten years old are not doing so because of a love of vintage cars. They are compelled to do so because of the high cost of purchasing new cars. A £1,000 refund will result in only some of these vehicles being sent to the scrap yard and replaced by new ones. If the scheme was relaxed slightly there would be a big increase in the numbers taking up the Minister's offer of financial aid, set out in section 97 of the Finance Act, 1995.

I propose the scheme should be adjusted so that a person can buy a car not more than two years old with not more than 30,000 miles on the clock and in addition being held by a granted owner for at least three years; the Finance Act mentions six months but that refers to a new car. In these cases there is no trade value.

The scrap value is taken as nominal in the following examples. A small new car costing £10,000 would cost £9,000. A small car two years old, depreciating by 20 per cent each year, would cost approximately £6,400 after two years; and net of the grant would cost £5,400. There is a self-evident, large difference between £9,000 for a new vehicle and £5,400 for a good second-hand vehicle. This would encourage more people to take up this scheme and take more old cars out of the system. The replacement cars, which would be more affordable, would also be much easier to insure and, therefore, the likelihood of uninsured vehicles on the road would be diminished considerably.

A further saving would be in the huge amount of Garda time spent in District Courts dealing with traffic offences such as bald tyres, defective steering, defective lights, exhaust emissions, etc. Apart from Garda time being better used in crime prevention and other important matters, other litigants would be able to get better access to the District Court. Accessibility to the courts is an integral part of any system of justice.

When cars of more than ten years old come off the road driving will be safer, not only for the drivers and passengers of such vehicles but for other road users and pedestrians. The new vehicle numbering system was introduced in 1987 and the huge number of vehicles with old style number plates makes clear how many vehicles are at least eight and a half years old.

A car is a vital part of the fabric of society, especially in rural areas where there is little availability of taxis. This was much discussed when the drink driving laws were altered and I admire the Minister for taking that initiative, even though he is a pioneer. In the country, people need cars to get to work, go to shops, take their children to places of education and visit the elderly, apart from pleasure purposes.

While my proposals would involve a great number of additional cars being scrapped the tangible cost of the £1,000 per vehicle would increase significantly. The benefits of reducing uninsured driving and saving Garda and court time, while real, are difficult to quantify. However, while these people in the main cannot afford new cars, in buying good used vehicles they will allow the better off motorist to buy new vehicles. This will have a much more dramatic effect on new car sales than the scheme originally proposed by the Minister, which still left a large financial gap between the scrap value of a car, which may be nothing, and the price of a new car.

Sales in the current year of both new cars and light vehicles of the type used by small businesses are only slightly up on 1994 at present and car sales dropped in May this year compared with May 1994. Despite the good economic statistics car sales have not achieved the peak of some years ago. An uplift in new car sales would benefit the Exchequer, through VRT more than anything else. The original scheme was described as revenue negative. Adopting those improvements to the Minister's good idea would mean more vehicle registration tax for the Exchequer, generating more funds; would free gardaí from District Court time; increase the number of insured vehicles; make the roads safer for all, by getting rid of poor vehicles; and make the car, a necessity in rural areas, accessible to more people.

I thank Deputy O'Keeffe for raising this matter and I am happy to respond to him on behalf of the Minister for Finance. I am also pleased to hear that the Deputy welcomes the scheme for repaying £1,000 vehicle registration tax when a new car is registered for the first time in conjunction with a car at least ten years old being scrapped. Given both the degree of interest displayed by car distributors and the level of inquiries from the general public, the Government is hopeful it will achieve its twin objectives of removing some older cars from the road and replacing them with new cars which might not otherwise have been purchased.

The scheme is due to come into operation on 1 July, Saturday next. However, since it is not possible to register a car at the weekend, the Revenue Commissioners are prepared to accept new cars registered on Friday, 30 June as being eligible under the scheme.

As regards the estimated cost of the scheme to the Exchequer, while prudence dictated that an assumption of revenue neutrality be included in the budgetary arithmetic, there now seems to be a reasonable chance that the Exchequer will benefit positively from the scheme.

The point has been made that it is still very costly for an individual who owns a ten year old car to purchase a new one even when the £1,000 VRT repayment for scrapping the old car is taken into account. However, the discounts and financing deals now being offered in conjunction with the VRT concession certainly reduce the net outlay involved. I believe the Deputy is interested in extending the scheme to good quality second-hand cars and that is something the Minister for Finance has examined. However, this would go far beyond the objective of what is a once-off scheme and there would be little attraction to the Exchequer in terms of extra revenue from second-hand sales.

As I indicated, there are two objectives to the scheme — to facilitate the removal of older cars from the road and to stimulate the purchase of new cars that might not otherwise be purchased. I accept that extending the scheme to certain second-hand cars could contribute towards the first of these objectives, but I believe it would undermine the second objective, perhaps to an unacceptable degree.

Extending the concession in the manner suggested would, in certain cases, do no more than subsidise indirectly new car purchases which would more than likely have taken place anyway in the normal process of trading-in and upgrading of motoring needs by individuals and companies. This would not be an acceptable use of what are clearly scarce Exchequer resources.

There is also the point that it would very likely result in the subsidisation of imports of secondhand cars. It would not be possible under EU rules, to restrict the benefits of the scheme to secondhand cars already registered in the State. I do not know if increased imports is the outcome the Deputy requires but I doubt that it is.

Apart from these considerations, there is also the matter of determining at a practical level what consitutes a good quality secondhand car. An age cut-off would undoubtedly distort the market and, in many cases, age is not necessarily the best indicator of quality. A Jquality" definition, without explicit reference to age, might be less distortive in market terms but even if one could be devised, there would always be scope for a lot of argument at the margin.

For these reasons, the scheme that has been adopted and put in place in the Finance Act, 1995, restricts the benefit to the purchasers of new cars. This is simple, straight forward and non-contentious in terms of definition. The Minister for Finance would hesitate to broaden its scope any further.

Obviously, since the scheme only takes effect from the end of the month, we cannot be sure now successful it will be. All the indicators are however, that it will succeed. In that case, we will have removed a certain number of lower quality vehicles from the road while, at the same time, safeguarding the position of the Exchequer. I think the Deputy will agree that this is a good, if rare, result.

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