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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 20 Feb 1996

Vol. 461 No. 7

Private Members' Business. - Beef Industry: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann condemns the Government's neglect of the cattle and beef industry and calls on the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry to restore both competitiveness in the food industry and cattle farmers' incomes by securing the restoration in full of export refunds and calls on the Minister to fulfil his long standing commitment to institute a package of measures to sustain the sector in the face of unrelenting pressure resulting from the strength of the punt against sterling.

I propose to share my time with Deputy Leonard.

I am sure that is satisfactory and agreed.

We put down this motion because of the deepening crisis in the cattle industry. It should not be necessary to emphasise the importance of the cattle sector. Cattle make up to 90 per cent of our farm stock and are crucial to the incomes of thousands of farmers. Those in the dry stock sector have had to deal with tighter margins than any other sector of the agricultural industry. While this crisis was predictable, very little was done about it. This is an outstanding example of what can happen when the difficulties in agriculture are neither understood nor accepted by our European partners. We fought hard in Europe for the introduction of a direct payments system and common agricultural policy reforms and success was achieved by the Minister's predecessors in the face of severe criticism.

We are not asking the Minister to seek something extra. We are asking him to guard the systems that have been put in place as a result of the negotiating successes of his predecessors. One of the greatest criticisms that can be levelled at the Minister is his abject failure to maintain the status quo which would have provided some prospect of viability for the thousands of farmers who depend on the dry stock sector. Those achievements did not benefit only cattle farmers. A survey of national farms carried out in 1994 shows that premia payments are crucial to the viability of farm families in all sectors.

We tabled this motion against the background of a crisis in the beef industry. We depend to a far greater extent than our European Union partners on markets outside the EU to dispose of our cattle. This unique position is neither understood nor accepted by our EU partners and has not been acknowledged since this debacle began last October. Since last autumn export refunds have been cut by 35 per cent. In recent weeks proposals emerged at Commission level to effectively remove the deseasonalisation premium from Irish beef producers and to reduce the 22 month premium. Throughout this period, because of the strength of the punt against sterling, pressure on the sector has cost factory jobs and added to the downward pressure on farm gate prices.

Fianna Fáil holds this Minister responsible. He has reneged on his political responsibilities to our single largest industry. He disastrously miscalculated the effect on the sector of the series of reductions of export refunds since last October. On 2 February he compounded his earlier misjudgments by accepting an entirely unsatisfactory and — on his own admission — inadequate resolution of the issue. He added insult to injury by saying the package of 2 February, "would give a psychological boost to the beef and live cattle trade at a very sensitive time". Cattle prices have remained at record loss making levels. A nightmare scenario has been visited on winter finishers in particular — so much for the Minister's psychological boost.

To date the Minister has not delivered on the promise he made last June to implement a special package to enable the processing sector survive the pressure of the sterling crisis. Vital investment planned under the operational programme, which was launched at least five times during the Minister's time in office, has not gone ahead. Investment of up to £660 million was envisaged to maintain the competitiveness of the Irish food sector. Will the Minister confirm that the basic assumptions and targets laid down under that programme were based on an exchange rate of 97p or 98p against £1 sterling? From talking to major players in the food industry I am aware that not only have proposed investments been deferred, but they have been postponed until such time as the exchange rate disadvantage with our major market is resolved. The £660 million investment package will be pie in the sky for as long as the exchange rate between the punt and sterling remains at its present level. Those who examine the risk-reward ratio will not invest. Factories are on short time, opportunities and jobs have been lost and existing jobs are at risk.

Since last Autumn export refunds have been slashed by an unprecedented 35 per cent. As nine out of ten of our cattle population must be exported and 60 per cent to countries outside the EU, the impact of that 35 per cent slash has been enormous. Cattle farmers have been devastated. Cattle bought last September at 106p and 107p per pound are being sold at 98p per pound and more than 13,000 people who specialise in beef finishing have been affected.

How can the industry survive and prosper if farmers receive only 98p per pound having bought cattle at that price and fed them over the winter? No business could service that sort of pressure. Taking into account the months of winter feeding, this represents a loss of more than £70 per head for steers, not to mention the loss on cattle. Teagasc figures show that a price of 105p or 106p per pound is required if farmers are to break even. To make a profit of £30 per head farmers need a price of 109p per pound for cattle.

A loss of £70 per head on 460,000 steer spread over the springtime amounts to more than £32 million, and this is assuming that the situation does not get any worse. However, there is every indication that it will get worse. Taking refund available, the price of cattle last autumn, the refund now available and the present price of cattle, the price at the beginning of March will be between 92p-94p per pound. The situation is about to deteriorate, yet no policy decision has been taken and no influence has been exerted where the decisions are taken to alleviate the situation. In the hope that the situation will improve farmers have naturally held back their stock. There is now a glut of cattle and these will soon have to be sent to the market. Given the lower export refunds in operation and the lack of competition from the live trade, there is a real fear that prices will fall further. So much for the Minister's psychological boost.

The Minister has a clear political responsibility for this enveloping calamity. He is out of touch with what is happening in Brussels and out of tune with how things are done here. It is clear that his eye has been off the ball. He was repeatedly warned of the effects of the succession of reductions in export refunds of the price of cattle but he repeatedly ignored these warnings. As recently as last December the Minister said he did not expect "the new level of refunds to have any immediate effect on cattle prices". Anyone who doubts the scale of the Minister's miscalculation should look at what is known as statement No. 257 of 1995 from his Department. One thing we are not short of is press statements from the Minister's office. The Minister's assertion was the latest in a line of assurances to farmers that cattle prices would not be affected. Those assurances have now been shown to be totally false. Damningly, those same assurances were as false then as they are now. The fault of farmers, if fault it is, is that they took the Minister at his word and they are now paying collectively with their livelihoods. The Minister is directly responsible for minimum losses of £32 million this spring.

The problem relating to export refunds is a political one. The decisions to reduce the refunds since last autumn have been taken by the EU Beef Management Committee. This committee, which is a bureaucratic part of the Commission, has successfully undermined the political decisions of the Council of Ministers. In April 1994 the Council decided on a price guide regime of 106p per pound. Ascribing their decision to problems with GATT, the management committee has repeatedly undermined that decision while the politicians who are supposed to be masters of the situation have claimed they can do nothing about it. There is no greater apologist than the Minister who has stood idly by. If as he says — and sadly we have no reason to doubt him — he has no support at Council level then the most serious questions must be asked about the political competence of this Administration. The Minister further undermined his position and that of farmers by deciding to engage in a slagging match with the Commissioner. One does not score points in Brussels by playing to the peanut gallery at home.

The beef sector faces further threats to its future. For example, the future of the vital deseasonalisation premium is now in doubt. This hard won success by the Minister's predecessor is worth £60 per head on slaughter between 1 September and 30 November. Qualification depends upon 40 per cent or more of annual slaughter taking place between these dates during the year before last. This premium has been vital in redressing traditional imbalances in production and dealing with the seasonality problem. Last year Ireland feel below the 40 per cent threshold. When I tabled questions on this issue I was given many assurances. The Minister put forward a proposal to reduce the threshold to 35 per cent. His lack of success can be evaluated by measuring the difference between the 35 per cent threshold sought and the proposal on offer. The unsatisfactory offer of a 38 per cent threshold will, in turn, be made less acceptable by the proposed financing of same by a 40 per cent cut in the premium. People look in amazement at these negotiations and wonder how well the Irish case has been put, not to mention how it has been accepted.

Additional financing for this proposal will come from a cut in the 22 month premium. The 1994 farm survey shows that 84,000 farmers collected a 22 month premium on 816,000 cattle while 12,000 farmers collected a deseasonalisation premium on 220,000 cattle. Farmers are going from the frying pan into the fire. Significantly, these are the first concrete proposals brought forward to mitigate the MacSharry reforms. The Minister has failed, not just to get something more but to hold on to what was negotiated by his predecessor. Following on the heels of a major tactical defeat on the issue of export refunds, beef producers are now being walked into a strategic débâcle by the Minister on the issue of the deseasonalisation premium.

Prices have been further depressed by a lack of real competition from the live trade. Farm gate prices have always been boosted by the competition between factories and the live trade. The cut in export refunds has hit the live trade particularly hard. We export 70 per cent of our cattle to third countries while our main markets are in the Middle East. To date this year total live exports are down a whopping 30 per cent on the same period last year. Certain markets, particularly Egypt, have been decimated and the market share so unnecessarily thrown away will be very difficult to regain. Inexplicably, the market to Turkey has not been opened up. There was media speculation today that significant progress has been made — the spin doctors have been at work again. For the sake of those depending on the trade I sincerely hope that this is not another false dawn. I challenge the Minister to say when the trade to Turkey will be opened up as any delays will impact on the long suffering beef farmers.

The live trade has been further hampered by the application of new regulations on animal welfare introduced by the Minister. Fianna Fáil has always supported balanced regulations on animal welfare but there is something seriously wrong when boats are tied up for months on end as a result of bureaucratic decisions. When one considers that six boats which previously worked the trade out of Ireland have been disbarred under the new regulations and are now working the trade out of other EU countries then questions must be asked about the Minister's agenda. These facts were confirmed to the Minister as recently as last evening by representatives of the trade and thus far he has not attempted a rebuttal. Where exactly has he drawn the balance between animal, farmer and factory welfare?

The problems in the processing sector were well under way before the Minister allowed the débâcle of the export refund reductions to arise. He recognised this last summer when he promised to introduce a special package of measures to help the food industry by tackling the disparity with sterling. The Minister is good at making promises but that industry and the thousands of jobs dependent on it are still awaiting the Minister's package. Leading people in the industry lobbied the Minister for Finance and this Minister prior to the budget to see if they were prepared to give recognition to this labour-intensive industry whose main market is the UK — 75 per cent of the consumer food sector exports into that market. The Budget Statement contained six meaningless lines on our biggest industry which showed, as The Irish Times cartoonist aptly illustrated, that when Labour and Democratic Left drew up the budget, the Taoiseach and the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry were out making the tea.

Because of the Minister's inertia there is a major question mark over the achievement of targets set out in the food sub-programme. The assumptions for those investments are based on a valuation of 97 to 98 English pence to one Irish pound; the current position is £1.04 Sterling to £1 Irish. In essence, many of the areas targeted for growth in sectors such as prepared consumer foods, the cheese industry, vacuum packed beef and processed meats were strongly targeted for a push in UK sales. People in those sectors have asked how they can increase sales when our currency policy puts them at an 8 per cent disadvantage over and above other problems in initially penetrating the market. That is having a significant impact on producer price at the farm gate. The targets were drawn up when the punt was 94 pence against sterling. The Minister recognised the problem — he is good at doing that and at saying what he was going to do, but he is also good at doing nothing about it. If that sounds familiar from the Minister, Deputy Yates, that is because it is.

In the critical area of imposed costs, such as employer's PRSI at 12.5 per cent versus 7.2 per cent in the UK, this Government has ignored the food sector generally and the beef processing industry in particular. Specifically, the increase of the PRSI threshold from £12,000 to £13,000 failed to capture any significant number of food industry employees. In many cases, any benefit in the measure was wiped out by the increase in the ceiling. This time of opportunity for expansion is being lost by a Government which cannot grasp the big picture.

The crisis in the beef sector is a manmade disaster. Political ineptitude on a colossol scale is resulting in losses which are already being counted in tens of millions of pounds. It is increasingly likely, according to predictions by everyone in the industry, that worse is still to come. The beef sector is the single largest component of the Irish economy but it is being chronically mismanaged at the political level.

If the Minister had recognised reality when everyone else did much could have been avoided but unfortunately his agenda did not extend beyond good news. Soon it will not even include that, because reality is biting quicker and harder than anticipated. No sooner had the Minister announced the end of the "cheques in the post" era than the Commission announced proposals which effectively signal the dismantling of the MacSharry reforms. Fianna Fáil rejects the Minister's policy of unilateral disarmament on common agricultural policy, because it bodes disaster. If lost ground is to be recovered — and there is a great deal lost already — the Minister must construct a credible agenda at EU level. We have already paid too high a price for the benefit of hindsight.

On export refunds, as there are 700,000 tonnes at present with 24 weeks left it is clear March will be a big month, depending how the next beef management committee meeting goes. The Minister should not be chronological or clinical in examining the problem — he now has the privilege, as a member of the Irish Government, to do something about it. Farmers are not prepared to listen to more tales of woe. They expect those who were quick to take responsibility to come up with the goods.

It should be argued that the Irish case is unique with no parallel among EU partners and must be addressed in the interest of maintaining the single most important component of our biggest industry. There are too many farm families who cannot rely on rhetoric. They cannot go to bank managers and refer to a statement which claims a psychological boost. We seek a proper price for a good product. The Minister should not allow the further dismantling of hard won gains; he should maintain the successes achieved by his predecessors until someone else gets the job.

I second the motion. Beef is the least remunerative farming sector. It has come through difficult times in the past few years but incomes are now hitting an all-time low. Many people have become involved in beef farming because they are excluded from other sectors, including young farmers without milk quotas and people who ventured into alternative farming and found it did not pay.

Beef farming has suffered a collapse. Neighbours of mine bought cattle for £70 to £80 more than they can get for them and they have no allowance for feed. Many also kept cattle over in anticipation of slaughter premia in the spring. About 40,000 people are affected, which is a sizable proportion of the numbers involved in farming. Most of those people bought in store cattle and therefore have not been able to avail of suckler cow, beef cow or ten month premia. They are totally dependent on the 20 month premium or, if they sell within the period, the slaughter premium.

One is disappointed at the outcome of the EU beef management committee meeting on 26 January. It was anticipated that the Minister would secure something for farmers. However, the committee failed to put forward proposals. There will be a 30 to 35 per cent loss on the premium with no hope for improvement. We were told efforts to structure the beef industry would ensure continuity of supply for the slaughter plants, thus securing worth-while employment, and our green image would result in European markets queuing up to buy our meat. In the past three months the industry has destabilised and there is a serious lack of confidence. The EU has attributed this to the BSE scare and currency fluctuations. The Department and the Minister must, therefore, make an extra effort to offset the difficulties by improving in other areas.

About two months ago when the market was beginning to fluctuate I tabled a question to the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry asking his views on the reduction in factory prices of beef. He replied:

Factory prices for all grades of cattle have fallen slightly recently as a result of a number of factors, most notably the uncertainty surrounding the level of export refunds to third countries, the impact of the BSE scare on beef consumption in the United Kingdom and the reduction in demand for cow beef in France. However, it should be recognised that cattle prices have been at satisfactory levels this year.

I have made it clear that in my view the lower refunds should have only a limited effect on cattle prices over the next couple of months because the bulk of the trade in that period will be conducted with the help of refunds which were fixed at higher levels.

We were told that consistently in the House. An assurance was given that it would have only an insignificant effect. The Minister concluded his reply by saying:

Nevertheless, I am concerned about the longer-term implications of the lower level of refunds and I will continue to press the Commission to have refunds fixed at more realistic levels.

His efforts at the meeting on 26 January were wasted because he was unsuccessful in making his case to the Commission. He should use his considerable influence with beef processing plants, which have received so much and have been spoon-fed over the years, receiving grant aid from the IDA, FEOGA, etc. He said in the House he would talk to the representatives of the meat procesing plants. Either the Minister was not persuasive enough or they were very obstinate, but we finished up with a stalemate and no improvements. I watched the papers afterwards to see if the beef plants had upped the price of beef because of presure from the Minister but that did not happen.

I tabled another question in February 1996 about the price of beef during the month of January in each of the years 1994, 1995 and 1996 to which the Minister replied that the price per pound in 1994 was £1.11, in 1995 it was £1.05 and in 1996 it was £0.98. That is about £140 an animal. At that time beef producers said they were sailing very close to the wind by buying in cattle at high prices. How can they hope to survive now the price has come down to 98p a pound?

During that period there was a substantial increase in the cost of feed. I happened to be in a feed co-operative recently and remarked how few tractors and link boxes were coming for bulk meal. I was told farmers were not feeding their cows because there was an oversupply of milk and most of them were over their quota, and that the beef men have no beef in their sheds this year. A neighbour of mine, one of the best farmers in the country, who five years ago would not have thought of leaving an animal out during the winter, who has good quality feed houses with slatted floors and slurry tanks underneath, has left his cattle to stray through the fields. This is happening on two farms I know of owned by good farmers who years ago would not have dreamed of doing that in winter. Instead of sending cattle to a beef factory and creating employment, they are letting their cattle out in the hope that there will be an improvement in prices later in the year. This is a serious situation but the people in the beef business have no alternative.

We hear much about operational programmes. We have been pressing for a review of these programmes in the context of the peace initiative. The peace initiative has now gone and we do not have as good a case, but a review of the operational programmes is necessary. We were told that they would not be reviewed until mid-1997 and the reason given was that Fianna Fáil brought them in. Fianna Fáil brought in those programmes in a time of progress. Now it is a completely different ball game and those programmes should be reviewed in the context of the present conditions.

Currency fluctuations were mentioned. No one has a better realisation of the problems caused by currency fluctuations than the poultry, mushroom and beef industries. Many plants are not slaughtering plants but are involved in the downstream processing of meat and the preparation of foods to be sent abroad on a daily basis in massive volumes. The currency fluctuations are seriously affecting those industries. At one of the poultry plants the producers, who have not had a rise for many years, were asked to take a cut of 20 per cent in their production fees in order to hold on to hard-earned markets in England. We must face the problems head on. The Minister has not done so. If we want to ensure continuity in the beef industry he must act quickly.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after Dáil Éireann and substitute the following:

"endorse the measures which have already been taken by the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry to address the difficulties being experienced by beef producers, commends efforts by the Minister to secure a full restoration of export refunds and welcomes the measures contained in the Structural Fund Food Sub-Programme and in the recent budget to improve the competitiveness of the beef industry."

I am pleased to propose this amendment because it gives me an opportunity to inform the House about the background to the problems being experienced by beef producers and of my efforts, and those of my Department, to secure the restoration of export refunds to realistic levels.

I listened patiently to the Opposition's contributions. They articulated the problems but, unfortunately, there was not one new idea or realistic proposal that I could advance in my campaign.

I am well aware of the difficult income position faced by our beef producers, particularly winter fatteners, which has arisen following the various reductions in export refunds last autumn. I do not need to be convinced of their vulnerability or their importance and role in ensuring an orderly flow of throughput for the beef sector. However, we need to see this problem in its proper context.

Deputy Cowen mentioned the negotiating achievements of my predecessor and I will now refer to some of them.

Blame someone else.

The background to the problem has its origin in the GATT which was concluded in December 1993 and came into force on 1 July 1995. Under this agreement the volume of subsidised beef exports from the European Union has to be reduced by 21 per cent over the period of the agreement, which runs until the year 2000, and EU expenditure on export subsidies has to be reduced by 36 per cent over the same period. In practical terms, the GATT commitment means that beef exports from the European Union must be reduced from 1.3 million tonnes in 1993 to 1.12 million tonnes in the first year of the agreement which runs from 1 July 1995 to 30 June 1996 and to just over 800,000 tonnes by the end of the GATT period in the year 2000. This commitment seemed quite daunting at the time the GATT negotiations were being concluded, particularly in view of the level of production in Europe and with over 1 million tonnes of beef in intervention. However, beef production has fallen substantially in the European Union in the meantime because of the ceiling imposed on imports of calves from third countries and the reduction in the number of dairy cows. This enabled the European Union to dispose of virtually all of its intervention stocks without disrupting the market before the commencement of the agreement.

Given the improvement in the balance of the beef market, combined with the elimination of intervention stocks, there was good reason to believe that the GATT agreement would not pose any major difficulties, at least in the initial stages. However, I am extremely disappointed that the optimism has not been fulfilled and that the Commission has felt it necessary to take action to ensure that export licences issued do not exceed the GATT ceiling. Compliance with the GATT ceiling is controlled on the basis of export licences issued rather than on the basis of actual physical exports. In view of this, the level of export licences issued is monitored very carefully. During the early autumn, the Commission took the view that the level of licences issued was excessive and it adopted a number of measures to discourage exporters from taking out export licences too far in advance of physical export. Since September I rigorously opposed these measures at the Council, often without much support.

Certainly without any success.

The Commission partially reversed the 25 per cent cut on 1 December when export refunds were increased by 14 per cent. I made clear at the time that the increase was insufficient and raised the matter directly with Commissioner Fischler and at the Council in January where I impressed on the Commissioner and my colleagues the need for an immediate increase in refunds to ensure adequate returns for our beef producers particularly those specialising in winter fatteners. My Department also raised the matter at the beef management committee and in bilateral contacts with senior Commission officials. When Deputy Leonard referred to a meeting held on 26 January he omitted to state that on 2 February refunds were increased by between 5 per cent and 7.5 per cent. In that decision the Commission took account of my specific request for a higher increase on male hindquarter cuts, fresh and chilled, which are of particular importance to Irish beef exporters.

I do not consider these increases are or were the full solution to the price difficulties faced by producers but they represented some progress on an issue on which I had very little support initially.

(Wexford): The Minister failed.

The Deputy will have his opportunity.

(Wexford): I will use it.

I hear the people in Wexford were not terribly impressed by what the Deputy said last night.

(Wexford): The Minister had the place packed so I am not surprised.

I did not ask one person to attend.

It also showed a change of attitude on the part of the Commission. The fact that the validity period has been further shortened is also helpful in that it removes the scope for speculation in licences which was very much part of the problem in the first place. In recent weeks licences were given out by other traders rather than the Commission. I remain fully committed on this issue and have used every avenue open to me to press the case for restoration or refunds to levels which make Irish beef competitive on international markets and which will underpin a price level for our producers that will provide them with a reasonable return on their investment and effort. Cattle prices should remain relatively stable for the immediate future because beef exporters are currently operating from licences which were prefixed at the higher rates which prevailed up to mid-November.

Deputy Leonard mentioned my meeting with beef producers. I was told some weeks ago that if certain events did not occur beef prices would collapse by 10p per pound. I maintained that there were adequate prefixations in the system to ensure that pre-November levels of refunds would ensure higher prices could be paid and there was no basis for a cut given the level of prefixations taken out last week. I strongly maintain that view and, as we see, prices did not drop this week.

Can the Minister predict the price in March?

(Wexford): The Minister should remember what he said in November.

I stand over it. These higher rate prefixations are generally in adequate supply to cover exports until the end of this month and this has been borne out by events.

I have also highlighted the fact that the European Union is in danger of being pushed out of certain important markets. I am referring in particular to Egypt, a major market both for beef and live cattle where ground is being lost to non-EU suppliers, particularly Australia. I believe that a number of other member states share that concern and I intend to press that dimension more directly over the next week or so. Any significant loss of market share could have serious implications for the balance in the beef market in the EU. I will be discussing the situation with my Council colleagues and in bilateral discussions with Commissioner Fischler next week. During the coming days I will visit Paris to discuss the matter with my colleague, the French Minister for Agriculture, who has given us the best support of any other member state. This is not an issue which can be fought in isolation. The attitude and support of other beef producing member states is of vital importance.

We have been making strenuous efforts to agree workable arrangements with the Turkish authorities in regard to the export of live cattle to that market. In discussions with my officials I arranged for Ambassador Joe Small to go from Rome to visit the Turkish authorities in Ankara. I am pleased to say that over recent weeks we have made progress in this regard. As Members know, they define cattle in three categories: breeding, fattening and slaugthering. For the latter category, which is of most benefit to us, there was a condition which was not being sought by other third country importers that there would be a quarantine restriction for a period before import. That has now been relaxed. This progress has removed one of the major obstacles and discussions are now focused on getting the elements of a practical and acceptable veterinary certificate agreed with the veterinary authorities in Turkey. I believe a final solution is in sight.

It is tantalisingly close, just like the peace process.

I cannot say whether the links between Germany and Turkey will make that market a viable option, given the trade and ethnic links between the two countries. However, I was lobbied some weeks ago by the IFA to make a major push for live exports in this regard and I am glad to say that there has been some progress.

I have consistently made clear that I regard the role of the live export trade as a vital one in bringing the element of competition into the market. There is certainly a case that the live trade is at a disadvantage when the DSP is in operation and I have put this point to Commissioner Fischler. This country is the dominant exporter of live cattle from the EU. Therefore, it follows that any upward adjustment in live refunds will benefit us disproportionately.

Deputy Cowen referred to the welfare issue. I inherited a situation whereby substantial and serious losses and fatalities of cattle had, in effect, been undisclosed to the public and were leaked in newspaper reports this time last year. The whole credibility of the live trade was put in some doubt. Through assiduous work by my officials and veterinary specialists we have now adopted the Australian rules for non-EU transport and implemented the rules for EU transport for other livestock. We now have the most credible rules for a legitimate, long-term trade in live cattle. As long as there is a surplus of cattle and beef in Europe, in terms of consumption over production, I will unequivocally support that trade to give a floor price to cattle and a balance to the market.

The Minister's colleagues did not have the same qualms of conscience.

I have made it clear to the Commission over the past months that I do not agree with its approach of managing the GATT ceiling through the use of the export refund system. The Secretary of my Department has been engaged in detailed discussions in Copenhagen and Paris, at my request, to ensure that for both the dairy and beef sectors we will have a more orderly management approach for the remaining five years of the GATT in relation to export refunds. I believe the Commission has become unnecessarily obsessed with the levels of prefixation. There are easier and betters ways of ensuring that the limits are respected. We have put forward detailed alternative proposals including, for example, a further shortening of the period of validity of export licences in order to discourage speculation. I am pleased that the Commission has adopted this proposal, somewhat belatedly perhaps, but I am extremely disappointed that it has not acted on my request to restore refunds to realistic levels.

For its part, the Commission has argued that cattle prices on the Continent are extremely strong at present and a further increase in refunds would overheat the market, leading eventually to a reduction in beef consumption as beef becomes uncompetitive compared to other meats, particularly white meat. The reality is that the price of young bulls in other member states has actually increased in recent months in spite of the cuts in refunds and is currently at 87 per cent of the intervention price. It is proving extremely difficult in these circumstances to persuade the Commission that export refunds need to be increased further. Most importantly, the fact that 38,000 tonnes of beef was prefixed in less than a week, from last Monday to last Thursday, with more than a fair share at 13,000 tonnes from this country, did not make an increase in refunds at last Friday's management committee a very realistic possibility. That totally understates the case — I had no technically credible case to advance, given the levels of prefixation which were well in advance of the weekly GATT divided quota of 22,000 tonnes per week.

Is it not the case that they have to have a licence in order to export? Does the Minister want to close down the factories?

Let me explain to the Deputy how the system works. He might benefit from that.

The Minister, without interruption.

I will explain it to the Deputy in two simple ways which he will understand.

The Minister should not patronise me with his nonsense.

I am sorry if the Deputy does not like it but it seems that he does not fully understand the system.

I understand it exactly.

If one is selling any commodity and the product is rapidly running out of the store due to demand, one does not suddenly lower the price. The Commission is managing the market and if it can get heavy prefixations at one level of refund then it will not increase it

Does the Minister agree with the way it is managing the market?

No, I do not.

Then why is he defending it?

Let us not have this level of interruption.

The Minister's responsibility is to Irish farmers, not European bureaucrats.

If the Minister would address his remarks to the Chair they might be less provocative.

The Minister should cop himself on and get his act together.

For the Deputy's information, it is all very well for him to pursue this rhetorical waffle——

The Minister is the one with the rhetorical waffle.

In the real world, if 38,000 tonnes are prefixed in four days, it is not credible to look for an increase in beef refunds.

Tell that to the farmers who have lost £100.

I said it publicly last Friday.

This is an important debate which should and will be conducted in an orderly fashion.

I will defer to the Chair.

I believe that arising out of that we have to refocus our efforts on the live trade because the level of prefixation was not so high for that and we accounted for over 60 per cent of the 500,000 live animals exported from the EU last year. Therefore, I am pursuing a credible strategy which is the likely way to get progress on the issue and the real way to ensure that the people who need stability in beef prices and viability as winter fatteners can be best protected.

The Commission has also put forward the argument that cattle prices have been too high in recent years, particularly in the context of CAP reform which envisaged a 15 per cent reduction in cattle prices over the three years from 1993 to 1995. It is now evident that part of the Commission's agenda is to ensure that cattle prices are brought down to what it sees as more realistic levels and that premia are factored into the pricing system. Premia at their current level are worth 28p per lb. That figure does not assume total usage of the DSP or the 22 month premium but is worked out on actual averages in utilisation. The price of cattle prior to CAP reform was 99p per lb and premia were then worth 4.5p per lb. It is easy to see, with premia at 28p and the current price at 99p per lb, where the Commission is coming from. It is not an issue we can ignore in its entirety.

There is also the reality that the balance of the EU beef market remains quite delicate and if we are to remain within the GATT ceiling on subsidised beef exports, beef consumption must remain at or above current levels. The fall in consumption — which has been 1 per cent per annum in the EU or 10 per cent over the last decade — has consequences for compliance with the GATT ceiling. The existence of the ceiling means that any EU surplus above the ceiling will have to be absorbed internally in the European Union, which would be a daunting prospect given that EU beef consumption has been in decline in recent years. In other words, once we get at the turn of the century to 800,000 tonnes exported, there is nowhere else for it to go but within Europe.

I have no quibble with the arguments about the value of the premia or the importance of maintaining consumption. However, my entire case and my major objection is the timing of the Commission's approach. The cut was too steep and sudden for a strategic group of winter fatteners, which is the case we are pursuing. It has affected a group of producers who, by definition, have high costs and have been left totally exposed to the turn in the market.

In contrast, the price of store cattle has been good. I fully accept that the store producer is entitled to a reasonable return similar to any other element in the beef sector. However — I want to be explicit about this — I question the wisdom of paying high prices for store cattle without taking into account longer term considerations and prospects.

The Minister promised in November that prices would not fall.

I did not. I would be interested to see that quotation and the Deputy will have an opportunity this evening or tomorrow evening to indicate when it was made. The prices we enjoyed for beef in 1995 are unlikely to prevail in the foreseeable future. Watch my lips——

The last person who said "watch my lips" lost office in the next election.

I will be interested in the Deputy's views on this matter. I am totally perplexed with the situation——

The Minister is perplexed.

The average price of an acre of land in France is £900. Last Friday a 42 acre farm in Louth was sold for more than £5,000 an acre.

Was the owner a beef producer? That is irrelevant to this argument because that person was not a beef producer.

The Deputy is misleading farmers.

Farmers who are losing £100 a head for cattle are not buying land at £3,000 an acre.

Farmers want honest advice; they do not want to be misled by the Opposition about future beef prospects.

In that case the Minister should stop the nonsense.

It is in the interests of the beef industry that beef consumption in the EU is promoted and encouraged.

The Minister should get his act together.

It is only lately the Deputy got his act together.

Thank God for that.

The primary objective of the European quality beef promotion scheme, which was introduced in 1993, is to promote beef as a quality product. I am pleased that An Bord Bia has recently been awarded a grant of £446,000 by the European Commission under this scheme.

The Deputy referred to the sterling issue. For very good reasons I have not highlighted the practical financial aid I have given to An Bord Bia to help exporters. Suffice it to say I gave it an extra £15 million. If the Deputy made inquiries from An Bord Bia and people in the food industry he would know that the £7.5 million for this and next year to help a certain group of exporters in particular was provided on the basis of what I referred to in June. For very good reasons I cannot be as explicit as I would like in defending myself from the Deputy's charges.

The Deputy does not like to hear that information.

There have been adverse comments in recent times about the use of illegal substances. This is not a new problem, neither is it a peculiarly Irish phenomenon. Virtually every member state has problems with illegal residues, as was shown by a recent Belgian survey. Comments by some people who should know better — I refer particularly to a former officer of the IVU — that the problem is being swept under the carpet are utterly untrue. I will be making further announcements in this regard later in the week. It is easy to get cheap publicity by making sweeping allegations, thereby damaging the beef industry. This is not a humorous matter.

It is very humorous to hear the Minister talk about cheap publicity.

To allege that one-quarter of animals have been treated with illegal substances is not only utterly fallacious but irresponsible. There are no facts to show that is the case. If Dr. Dargan and others cannot put up, which they patently cannot do, they should simply shut up. We operate an extensive testing regime, with 86,500 samples taken in 1995, which is substantial by any standard. We have the most draconian system of any country in Europe in terms of legislation to deal with illegal substances. I have stepped up the activity of the special unit and elaborate testing facilities are in place.

The sampling results show that there is a relatively minor problem, with a small hard core of offenders. The State has not backed away from tackling the problem. I want to issue a simple message to those using illegal substances — the law will proceed in a direct line. There will be absolutely no escape from the rigours of the law. As soon as the Supreme Court judgment is given in the animal remedies case — I hope it avails of the tough measures that are available — we will move to final adjudication on those issues.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

Has the Minister any message for beef farmers?

I have been speaking about them for the past half hour. There was a reference to the DSP. Deputy Cowen, who has never been in my job although he has some experience of Brussels, spoke about Ireland being isolated and not getting support from the Commission. Let me explain — this needs to be spelled out to my friends opposite because they are not aware of the difficulties I face——

It is not easy being in Government.

It is much better than being over there. We are the only full member state that receives the deseasonalisation-slaughter premium — a small part of Germany receives it.

Who got it for us?

It was part of the MacSharry reforms.

The Minister did not mention Deputy Joe Walsh.

I gave Mr. MacSharry the credit. Ireland gets a special deal on the DSP. About 60 to 70 per cent of farmers, a greater percentage than in any other country, receive the extensification premium. The 22 month premium for bull beef, which does not operate across the Community, is of greater benefit to Ireland than any other country. We are seeking a special deal on refunds, we got a special deal for the sheep sector and I am seeking a further special concession in the price package.

Did the sheep farmers receive the money yet?

They received the premium last week.

That was due to them anyway but the Minister included it in his calculations.

I know the Deputy resents them getting it.

It is a case of pulling the wool over their eyes.

I am very concerned about the deseasonalisation premium. We have already put forward a proposal for a 35 per cent threshold. Taking the island as a whole, which the Commission wants to do, the threshold would have to be reduced to 34 per cent, which is almost not a seasonality problem. I will not support the price package, which is separate from the refund issue, unless we get clarity on that issue and we receive a further special concession. It is facile at best and simplistic at worst for Deputies to think that Brussels will give Ireland another special deal on a monthly basis. The system does not and will not work like that.

If the Minister believed in his case, he would get it.

That is a reflection on how much the Deputy knows about the system.

That is typical of what the Minister has had to say.

On the Deputy's point about sterling, is he advocating that we devalue the Irish pound?

He is saying then that the rate of £1.03 or £1.04 will have to be endured.

The Minister did nothing to take costs out of the food industry structure.

The Deputy answered the question, there is no escape from the present exchange rate policy being pursued by the Government.

Why did the farmers lobby the Minister, and what did he deliver? Nothing.

I assure beef farmers and winter fatteners that I am absolutely convinced of the arguments about their present difficulties. I will be in Paris and Brussels next week further pressing the case and will be relentless in intensifying my efforts to ensuring a satisfactory outcome to this matter.

It is time the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry fights at EU level to protect the largest element of the economy. He must know that he is facing a crisis which will have a detrimental effect on the agricultural industry and on the many individuals who will have to sustain large financial losses in the beef sector. The Minister must fight to fully restore export refunds for carcase beef and live cattle to the levels which applied last September. The massive cuts introduced by the EU Commission have destabilised the market and cattle prices. The Minister's inertia has been compounded by his failure to have the refunds fully restored at the EU beef management committee meeting last week. Cattle prices have been at record loss making levels. What does the Minister propose to do regarding his promise to implement a special package to help the processing sectors survive the pressure of the sterling crisis? The Minister must garner support from his colleagues in the Council of Ministers to offset the views of the Commission expressed through the EU beef management committee. What will happen to the deseasonalisation premium?

Tonight Deputy Cowen pointed out that in 1995 Ireland fell below the 40 per cent threshold. Surely the Minister is not prepared to accept the offer of a 38 per cent threshold. Does he realise the crisis that will arise if there is a cut in the 22 month premium? The 1994 figures reveal that 96,000 farmers collected the deseasonalisation and 22 month premiums. The Minister must recognise Ireland's unique position given that we export more than 70 per cent of our steer beef to world markets. Irish cattle prices are much more sensitive to cuts in export refunds than those in other EU member states.

The Minister must be prepared to take the fight to Brussels. It is not enough for him to say he understands the problem, he must demonstrate that by positive action. The Minister should remember he is not a spokesperson for the Commission in Ireland, but is the Irish Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry in Brussels. I hope he acts and fights on behalf of Irish beef producers with that in mind.

Many people will welcome the opportunity to discuss this important question for our winter feeders and store producers. We are all aware of the demands made by the IFA and other farm lobby groups during recent weeks.

We are talking about the problem posed by the cut in export refunds last November. At that time the Minister did not realise its consequences for the beef industry or its retrograde effect on winter fatteners. His talk about efforts to stabilise the market is falling on deaf ears. It is easy to see that we are taking the brunt of the changes.

Last week's CBF bulletin indicates that Irish prices have dropped by as much as 13 per cent. The number of changes that have occurred is frightening. It is alarming that such price decreases did not affect the other part of this island where there has been only a 0.5 per cent decrease since last year. That begs the question, what is really happening? The total cost and a sizeable handling charge as a result of the sterling crisis is obviously being passed back to farmers and an extra 2p or 3p is being taken on top of impact of the sterling crisis. That is damaging.

A sizeable section of our market is being taken by our near neighbour. The increase in British beef exports to EU destinations in 1995 was 440,000 tonnes, representing an 11 per cent increase. How much of that market share was taken from this country? Are we not making full use of and getting the full benefit from what we have to sell? We sell a premium product, but as of now we are getting anything but a premium price for it. The cuts in export refunds are beginning to bite.

The Minister can talk about the amount of prefixation taken up in November and last week and about Turkey. If he wants to talk about Turkey he should refer to the questions I tabled to him well before Christmas to inquire what he was doing to open that market when this problem was looming.

The Deputy should not mix turkey with beef.

Deputy Sheehan should understand that there is a country called Turkey which is a major purchaser of European beef and at present it buys quite an amount of beef from Germany. If Deputy Sheehan has a problem with Turkish people wanting to buy Irish beef, he should say that. He should not worry about the turkeys. They were killed at Christmas.

I am glad we exported more than 4,000 cattle from Cork this month.

Let us hear the Member in possession, without interruption.

Deputy Sheehan forgets that we were trying to establish where the best market prospects lay for Irish beef in view of the crisis that was looming. The best market for the Irish product appeared to be Turkey, in which we did not have a market share. A number of exporters sought departmental intervention as early as last September and October to clear certification, but there appeared to be a go-slow in the Department. I am delighted that at last the Minister realised that market could have been tapped and would have been worth another 5p or 6p a pound to Irish farmers. We have now lost much of our live trade to Egypt.

Since the beginning of the year our live cattle exports have fallen by 30.7 per cent to non-continental EU countries, by one-third to Northern Ireland and by 77.7 per cent to continental Europe. Our live export trade to all destinations has decreased by between one-third and three-quarters. That is a serious problem. If we lose our live trade farmers will lose their competitive advantage and we will not be able to maintain a minimum price for our beef.

I was surprised the Minister quoted the price of bulls in Europe when his German counterpart is looking for an increase of 14 per cent in the premiums paid on bull beef at the expense of the 22 month premium paid to our farmers. I am delighted the Minister agreed to oppose that proposal at the price fixing meeting. That proposal would have serious consequences for the future livelihoods of Irish beef producers.

The Minister talked about lobbying his counterparts. It is important that he should start with his nearest neighbour, his British counterpart, who stated recently that there is a need for a further reduction in the prices and the support mechanism for beef and other agricultural products. That is something he should bring to his British counterpart's notice prior to the price fixing meeting.

Refund cuts are cited as part of our problem, but they are not the bulk of it. We have not fully promoted the product we have to sell, nor have we exploited the existing live export markets. As the Minister said, Turkey is prepared to accept processed as well as live beef; they want to buy Irish produce. Our standard is second to none within Europe but its image has been damaged by some recent comments not in the best interests of farmers or anyone else in the meat or livestock trade. Some such comments reported in The Sunday Times on Sunday last were an absolute disgrace; it is a pity somebody does not take that paper to task, its articles are usually based on rumour as far as Irish agriculture is concerned. Indeed, such articles did more damage to our farming in the past 12 to 18 months than was done by the Tribunal of Inquiry into the Beef Processing Industry.

We are looking at a scenario in need of urgent remedial action, the most important of which being the total revision of beef export credit refunds which must be reinstated to their pre-November levels. Indeed a headline in today's Farming Independent entitled “No refunds rise, so plants warn of price drop” is an attempt to prepare farmers for the next knock, advising them to take their profit now by selling and purchasing cheaper store cattle later. While not realistic, that is what is being preached by some who see their main competitors fulfilling some of their contracts from mainland Europe rather than from Ireland, leading to an enormously damaging long-term effect on our beef industry.

The Minister must insist on the full restoration of the beef export credit refunds. We can talk all we like about conditions in an ideal world but present market conditions are costing winter beef producers anything between £70 and £100 per head. Perhaps that is why some are being driven to resort to the type of action, about which there have been allegations, endeavouring to meet their bank manager's requirements. It appears that some have resorted to what would not be regarded as proper farming practices, leading to an increase in the number of animals suspected of having been administered illegal growth promoters.

That leads one to question what will be the Minister's attitude in current European Union discussions in regard to such hormones which were available here some years ago. Perhaps had those illegal drugs been properly controlled we might not have the present illegal trade in such animal growth promoters which is not in anybody's interests. We must remember that such practices do not take place in Ireland alone but throughout the European Union and that farmers in other member states flout the law to a much greater extent than is alleged to be the case here. I say "alleged" because its incidence here is not nearly as prevalent as some people suggest.

On the winter fattening of beef, everybody realises that while prices have decreased, the cost of inputs has risen, frightening when one bears in mind the approximately 20 per cent increase in the cost of compound feed. We may choose to blame world grain prices but, if and when prices rise on one side to the detriment of the other, one must ask what is being done to balance the books? For example, what will the Minister say when he meets Commissioner Fischler next week? Will Commissioner Fischler point out to the Minister that he gave a sheep deal on the understanding that the Minister would not be returning. It is being said in certain sectors of the European agricultural community that the Minister sold beef producers for sheep producers in the knowledge that the latter would be of greater benefit to his constituents.

We face much greater transportation costs of live shipments or processed beef than some of our European counterparts, still perceived as a supplier of a natural, wholesome product, a green product, but we are not obtaining the premia obtained in other sectors. When one sees premia of 10 pence to 15 pence per pound paid for certain types of beef in Great Britain produced in a more friendly manner it makes one question what we must do to capture a portion of that market. We have concentrated on the large, bulk commodity for too long. For example, intervention obtained for too long; the APS and other facilities were used and abused. There is urgent need for a proper marketing strategy in the sale of our beef. Since there is talk of an approximate 30 per cent reduction in the amount of beef that may be exported from the European Union post-2000, we must concentrate on infiltrating the European market.

When the Minister talks of making more money available for marketing purposes to An Bord Bia, he does not appear to realise that it is of no consequence. Instead there is need for a prolonged attack on the premium end of the market within Europe in an effort to maintain prices. However, we find ourselves at the other end of the market that does not yield adequate returns. The recent award by the European Commission of £446,000 to An Bord Bia under the European quality beef promotion scheme is minimal. If the Minister is not prepared to invest at least 1 per cent of the product in its marketing he will not reap the premia there for the taking or obtain the premium price.

Simultaneously we need to infiltrate that market and reinstate export credit refunds to their former level. The Minister can talk all he likes about the amount prefixed last week which was done in sheer panic. I must warn him that there is panic within the beef industry, a fear that prices could worsen. Indeed, the Minister, factories and everybody else in the industry have been talking down prices in recent times while the margins for those involved in production have not decreased and will not irrespective of price levels.

At the Commission meeting in Brussels the Minister must fight for full restoration of refunds on live exports or state he will not be in a position to accept any part of the proposed price package. The Minister told the House he would meet some of his European counterparts but it is crucial that he first meet his nearest neighbour who is predicting that we will not get any more; in fact he wants prices reduced. The Minister might be content with the tit-bit in Farm Independent reporting his enjoyment of “Green Week”, and pointing out that the British had not been represented but I should like to remind him the British had left with an extra 11 per cent exports and had no need to attend “Green Week”. They left the Minister high and dry to entertain the lads, to buy the wine and give them free steaks.

He did not go to Guadeloupe.

The Minister had forgotten that his colleague and his British counterpart had taken 11 per cent out of our market share.

British beef had been banned in parts of Germany.

British exports to EU destinations during 1995 increased by 11 per cent of 440,000 tonnes. How much of that was taken out of the Irish beef industry?

It was a pity the Deputy did not tell that to Mr. Ray MacSharry before he threw in the towel.

The pity was that the Deputy did not understand Mr. Ray MacSharry's position. If the Deputy had lived as close to him as I did for a number of years he would have understood it. He put in place the CAP reform——

The time has come to proceed to other business.

Debate adjourned.
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