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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 17 Dec 1996

Vol. 473 No. 1

Litter Pollution Bill, 1996: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The Bill is an integral part of the anti-litter initiative Action Against Litter which was launched last February. Local authorities must have adequate statutory powers to undertake the task of litter prevention and control. Their existing powers have been set out in the Litter Act, 1982. However, shortcomings in this legislation have emerged over the years and it is now opportune to restate litter legislation comprehensively, to sharpen its focus and to broaden the legislative and regulatory instruments available for combating litter.

The essential purposes of this Bill are to put in place a wide-ranging legislative charter for action against litter; to spell out clearly what occupiers of property must do to keep their property free of litter and to set out the duties of local authorities for preventing and controlling litter. The Bill will provide a good statutory framework for dealing with the problem of litter.

Before elaborating on the concepts of the Bill, I will set out some background factors. Litter is a serious environmental problem in Ireland. While not highly toxic or, as a general rule, liable to inflict lasting damage on ecosystems, litter is still a visible and objectionable form of environmental degradation that damages the Irish countryside. While there are many reasons we should strive for a high quality environment, we should not overlook the obvious reason that a clean environment presents a positive and attractive image, and that people prefer to live and do their business in this kind of setting.

Litter is one of the most immediate threats to this sense of amenity. It undermines and challenges the credibility of other policies and measures for protecting the environment. It runs down shopping, business and residential areas and damages efforts to promote tourism, conservation and heritage protection. It also compromises our ability to attract and consolidate commercial development.

To quantify the extent of the problem countrywide my Department commissioned a national litter survey to provide an accurate assessment of the incidence of litter. This survey was conducted in October 1995 at various locations throughout the country and was designed to establish a detailed breakdown of the composition of litter and to identify and classify typical types of littered locations.

The main findings of the survey were that very few of the places inspected were either totally free of litter or grossly littered. However, more than 80 per cent of sites surveyed were found to have significant amounts of litter. The incidence of litter was prevalent and is especially likely to be found near fast food outlets, automatic bank telling machines and near secondary schools. The survey has been made available to all local authorities and will serve to give factual guidance to local initiatives. It also establishes a baseline against which progress can be monitored for the future.

Shortly after taking office in this Administration, the Minister for the Environment indicated that a more urgent and aggressive approach to litter prevention would be promoted. At the beginning of this year, the Action Against Litter initiative was launched. It is built on four main foundations: improving local authority performance, including more effective enforcement against offenders; reforming, updating and streamlining litter legislation; promoting public awareness and education, and developing effective partnerships with commercial and voluntary interests to combat litter. To drive this initiative, a new anti-litter unit was established within my Department with a dedicated budget in support of the campaign.

Image and quality of service must be vital concerns of the modern local government system. Local authorities have to serve the public in many ways, but most fundamentally, they are charged with maintaining a functional and attractive local environment, one in which local people can take pride and which visitors and investors will also appreciate.

Good progress is being made in the delivery of a much improved local environment. Urban areas are being revitalised and made more accessible. The quality and design of social housing is being improved. Major urban air pollution problems have been addressed and modern water supply and waste water treatment systems are being extended.

Local authorities have a key role to play in tackling the problem of litter. Some local authorities have reasonably effective arrangements in place; others are stepping up their performances. However, there is still much to be done because overall performance is uneven.

When the Minister for the Environment met local authorities earlier this year specifically on this issue he asked them to move litter prevention and control up the scale of their priorities and that as a first step they should prepare litter abatement plans for each of their areas in consultation with business interests and community groups. Already more than 40 authorities have completed these litter abatement plans and the other authorities are finalising them. Local authorities generally agree that their approach to litter needs to be sharpened. I am confident that in 1997 we will see a significant stepping up of prevention and control of litter by local authorities.

In dealing with litter prevention and control, we need compliance with the spirit as well as with the letter of the law. A strong emphasis of the Action Against Litter initiative is to promote education and awareness across all sections of the community. It is essential to promote understanding by young people, from an early age, of the degradation caused by litter. To approach this task in a structured way, educational materials for schools have been specially prepared for the Department by one of the specialist teaching centres. These materials have been circulated to all first and second level schools and I am happy to confirm from responses to a recent questionnaire sent to schools that the issue of litter is now being enthusiastically addressed in our schools.

Young people are not the sole offenders in relation to litter. Adults, young and old, can also be indifferent to litter and its spoiling effects. Given that there is such a large deficit in public awareness generally of the extent of our litter problem it was considered imperative that a wider public awareness campaign be mounted as quickly as possible to give the public a wake-up call about litter. This multi-media campaign is being continued and is designed to bring about change in public attitudes and behaviour towards litter. Funding these measures is being met from my Department's Vote at a cost of some £400,000 this year.

Local authorities cannot provide a litter-free environment on their own. Accordingly, the Action Against Litter initiative seeks to develop the involvement of the private sector and voluntary interests in the fight against litter. Caring for the environment is a shared responsibility. There is a greater acceptance today that business and industry should become involved more creatively in finding solutions to environmental problems, such as solid waste and litter, which are partly of their making.

However, producer responsibility is not just a burden on business and industry. Environmental initiatives such as Action Against Litter give companies the opportunity to prove themselves as good corporate citizens. The emergence of the Irish Business Against Litter movement demonstrates this point. Consumers relate better to companies who demonstrate strong environmental credentials and performance.

The thrust of the Action Against Litter initiative is to change the public mindset in relation to litter. It will be important to know how we are getting on in this task. It is intended, therefore, to establish a system of performance measurement that will monitor the state of cleanliness and assess progress by local authorities in implementing this initiative. My Department is engaged in consultation with an outside body about the development of an external monitoring process, which is intended to be activated next year.

I would now like to comment on some of the main provisions of the Bill. A more detailed commentary will be found in the explanatory memorandum which has been circulated with the Bill. I remind Deputies that the Bill repeals the Litter Act, 1982, but restates and strengthens some of the basic provisions of the earlier legislation.

Section 2 contains standard definitions but goes beyond the 1982 Act in providing a definition of "litter". Section 6 sets out an important requirement on the occupier of property, if it is a public place or visible to any extent from a public place, to keep the property free of litter. In addition, where a property or premises faces a public road and is within the confines of a speed limit area, the occupier will be required to keep free of litter any footpath or pavement between their property and the roadway. This requirement applies to all speed limit areas except where the general 60 miles per hour or the 70 miles per hour motorway speed limit applies. It is designed to cover properties in all built up areas.

The provision is necessary to tackle the problem of litter and to ensure that responsibility is taken by individuals for maintaining a litter free local environment. In section 6 also, in addition to the duties of occupiers, a duty is imposed on the owner of a house that is let in flats or bedsits to ensure that the curtilage of the house is kept free of litter. This provision is included in response to requests from local authorities, particularly Dublin Corporation, which has encountered difficulties with refuse and litter being left to accumulate outside houses let in flats. Section 7 imposes an explicit duty on local authorities to keep public roads free of litter as far as practicable. Roads are an acknowledged respository for litter and it is appropriate to state a clearer obligation on road authorities to maintain good litter management arrangements in this area.

Section 9 contains a new power for local authorities to issue a notice to the occupier of a littered property which is visible from a public place to clean it up and take specified measures to prevent a recurrence. It will be open to a local authority to take action itself and recover the cost involved in the event of an occupier failing to comply with the terms of a notice. I would like to see this provision being actively availed of by local authorities to demonstrate seriousness about tackling heavily littered sites. Sections 10, 11, 12 and 13 all relate to the duty of local authorities to draw up litter management plans for their functional areas. Such plans are essential to guide and support a more systematic approach to litter prevention and control. The adoption of these plans is a reserved function of elected councils but the Bill also requires local authorities to consult local interests on their intended proposals.

Section 15 sets out obligations for the operators of mobile food outlets in relation to litter control in the vicinity of their business. This provision has been suggested by a number of local authorities. It will also be open to local authorities to frame additional requirements for mobile outlets by way of special notice. Section 16 provides local authorities with a new power to take stronger action against the operators of premises whose business activities have a particular tendency to create litter. The types of premises on which additional requirements can be set out are in section 16 (9) and this list may be extended by regulations to include other classes of premises. The need to impose additional requirements on these types of premises is a matter to be judged by individual local authorities having regard to local circumstances. An obligation being imposed on an occupier under this section can extend to an area up to 100 metres from the person's premises.

By agreement with the local authority, an occupier of property may be relieved of the obligation directly to implement litter control measures by making a financial contribution to the local authority. A notice from the local authority imposing additional obligations must first be served in draft form to allow for comments on it. A confirmed notice may be appealed by the person affected to the District Court.

Sections 17 and 18 are designed to create a more structured litter management regime for events which are likely to be attended by large numbers of the public. Litter is inevitably created at well attended events such as major sports events and concerts. The Bill authorises local authorities to serve a notice on the organisers or promoters of major events requiring them to take specified measures to prevent or limit litter creation and to provide for its removal. A notice under section 17 may also require a deposit to be lodged with the local authority as security against the taking of required measures. A local authority may also afford organisers or promoters the option of making a financial contribution to the local authority in lieu of taking direct measures. This contribution must be applied by the local authority to litter prevention or removal at the relevant event. A local authority may also act to remedy any failure by a person to carry out the requirements of a notice and it may recover its costs in doing this.

Section 21 prohibits the placing of advertising material on the windscreens of cars and other vehicles. There is no hesitation in proposing this measure because the placing of advertising leaflets in this manner is well known as a cause of litter. In addition, local authorities will be able to introduce by-laws at their own discretion to prohibit or regulate handing out advertising leaflets in streets. Section 22 is a new provision imposing a duty on the person in charge of a dog to clean up if it fouls in certain public places such as on the street or footpath, on a beach or in a park. Apart from environmental considerations there is a health imperative in relation to this provision because of the danger of children contracting the disease of toxocariasis.

Sections 23 to 28 deal with the important area of enforcement and penalties. The maximum fine for an offence under the Bill is being increased from £800 to £1,500 and there is also a maximum penalty of £100 for each day there is a continued contravention by a convicted person. The on-the-spot penalty remains unchanged at £25, but it may be varied in future by regulations. All the proceeds from fines will now go to local authorities as opposed to the Exchequer which currently benefits from any fines imposed. Local authorities will also be able to ask the courts to award costs against a convicted person in respect of the expenses incurred by local authorities in investigating, detecting and prosecuting offences. I am confident that this change will act as an incentive to local authorities to tackle enforcement more effectively.

Enforcement of the on-the-spot fines against litter offenders has proved to be problematic in the past for local authorities. It is now proposed that in addition to litter wardens, members of the Garda Síochána will be empowered to issue on-the-spot fines. It is not intended that the Garda will take over the role of issuing on-the-spot fines. It is desirable that this remains primarily with local authority litter wardens. However there are circumstances where gardaí on street patrol could very usefully penalise transgressions of our litter laws. The fact that the public know gardaí are empowered to issue on-the-spot fines should act as a further deterrent against littering. It will also now be possible for litter wardens to call on the assistance of the Garda where they believe they might be obstructed in the course of their duties. This, I believe, will strengthen the standing of litter wardens. I am confident that local authorities will become more involved in active enforcement once the new Bill is enacted.

Section 29 of the Bill allows the Minister for the Environment to issue directions and guidelines in relation to the carrying out of the provisions of the Bill. Whenever the Bill is passed it is my intention to issue comprehensive guidelines to local authorities in relation to their duties under the Bill. I look forward to hearing the views of Deputies who will no doubt have valuable perspectives on this matter. I shall be receptive to any practical proposals for strengthening the Bill's provisions. We will look at this in detail on Committee Stage. I commend the Bill to the House.

Without meaning any disrespect to the Minister of State, it is very disappointing that the Minister is not present for this debate. We have been waiting for this Bill for over two years and the Minister has made a virtue out of the PR campaign he has run about litter. When he has the opportunity to talk in the House on this subject he finds himself busy elsewhere. The Minister was in the House earlier in relation to another Bill and I am disappointed he is not here now because I had some points to make to him about litter and his PR campaign. The Minister of State will convey my views to him.

On the basis that one cannot be against good intentions, Fianna Fáil will not oppose this Bill. The Bill is a wish list that contains no provision for the enforcement of the existing litter laws, let alone the further provisions now proposed by the Minister. It might as well have been addressed to Santa Claus at the North Pole as to the Dáil. The measure is a continuation by other means of the expensive and pointless PR campaign the Minister engaged in, which featured himself mainly, over the last 12 months. The campaign cost over £500,000 but did not result in the appointment of a single extra litter warden or an extra prosecution under the Litter Acts, which are to be replaced by the Litter Pollution Act. Without enforcement, which I am glad the Minister of State mentioned, this Bill will not advance the existing situation by one iota. We have had many good intentions littered around by the Minister over the past months and he is losing an opportunity in this Bill by not placing an imperative on anyone, including himself. The Bill has many enabling provisions but it is most unfortunate that it places no imperative on the Minister or local authorities or anyone save the Garda. The Minister is side-stepping the litter question.

Most people have no choice except to wade through the litter on our streets. The Minister seems to be avoiding this in the Bill. Enforcement of litter laws is crucial. The proposal in the Bill to give the Garda power to impose on the spot fines is farcical. There is no problem with the Garda having that power but I have no expectation that litter will become an operational priority for them. This provision comes hot on the heels of the Minister's invention of a special Garda traffic corps in Dublin for Christmas. The reality is that Garda operations are a matter for the Commissioner to decide in light of the needs of the day, as Members know. The imposition by the Minister of these duties on the Garda is not sustainable by the force in the long-term.

The task force report on the future of the Garda prepared for the Government is very forceful in its recommendation that the Garda should concentrate on their core duty of solving and preventing crime and that extraneous functions should be farmed out. This report has been accepted in principle by the Minister for Justice and the Government. Clearly this has not gone as far as the Department of the Environment. What the Minister for the Environment is trying to pass off in this Bill as enforcement is the cynical use of the Garda as a chorus line for what is essentially a PR initiative. It also runs totally counter to the thrust of Government policy on the future of the Garda. The Minister's vision of the Garda as pooper scoopers and meter maids will not meet with much favour among gardaí, the Commissioners or the public. Thankfully that vision is not generally shared. The ineffectiveness of the Minister's proposals for enforcement leaves the very serious social and economic problem of litter unaddressed.

The Minister of State spoke about some of the problems caused by litter and mentioned Bord Fáilte, which receives thousands of complaints annually about litter and illegal dumping. These complaints are not only about the streets in our cities and towns but also about the most inaccessible beauty spots and beaches. Bord Fáilte has stated it receives more complaints about litter than all other matters combined. Executives from our trade promotion board and industrial development agencies tell me they have to pick very carefully the route on which they bring potential investors. Litter creates the impression of a country that cannot manage even its most basic public hygiene functions. We spend £25 million annually to clean up litter. Despite the high cost to the taxpayer, we still have a serious litter problem. Clearly, the vast majority of our citizens want the problem solved. A study carried out by IBAL, Irish Business Against Litter, earlier this year highlighted the problems and costs caused by litter.

The key findings were that two out of every three adults identified "takeaways" as the location where litter was most likely to be found. That is reflected in the Bill. Only 10 per cent of adults believe that the litter laws are being enforced. It is surprising that even 10 per cent do. Only 5 per cent would resist tougher enforcement of litter laws. A litter-free Ireland would be useful in attracting more foreign companies, according to 80 per cent. Some 70 per cent believe that a litter-free Ireland, would improve the image of our food industry and create more jobs in Ireland while 78 per cent feel that the laws should be enforced more strictly.

Litter is frequently mentioned in the media and is one of the most common gripes of people calling into talk shows. The Minister's endless PR initiatives are testimony to his sensitivity on this. Governments have two policy instruments at their disposal in tackling environmental problems. Command and control can be used, which basically means a law and enforcement approach, or economic instruments can be employed. These may include charges or subsidies to encourage or discourage particular behaviour. Central to the latter concept is the principle that the polluter must pay.

This Bill seeks to expand the command and control approach. Given that existing legal commands are routinely flouted, this Bill is likely to bring the law into further disrepute until the issue of enforcement is tackled. We already have a system of on-the-spot fines imposed by local authority litter wardens. Clearly this system is a joke. When the Minister, Deputy Howlin, came into office the country boasted 23 full-time litter wardens. After a PR campaign costing £500,000 the number had declined to 22. In 1994, 512 on-the-spot fines were issued relating to a range of offences including littering, graffiti, fly posting and the abandonment of vehicles. This is a clear indication that only the surface of the problem is being scratched. Additional offences are to be added including giving out flyers, putting them on cars, dog fouling and littering from small commercial vehicles, including taxis. All in this House support these measures but the Minister's refusal to challenge vested interests and to seriously enforce these laws make a nonsense of the Bill. Fianna Fáil believes that the core of any litter policy must be effective enforcement which ensures that the costs involved are borne by the polluter, in this case, the litter lout.

The Bill is another litany of obligations the Minister may put on local authorities. While I welcome the fact that the proceeds from fines will go to local authorities rather than the Exchequer, local authorities should be able to get courts to award costs against convicted persons. There is a reference to this in the Bill but it is not imperative. I have had too many experiences of local authorities prosecuting people for these and other offences, winning their case but losing huge sums of money because the court imposed a fine of £100 to £200 whereas the cost to the local authority ran into thousands of pounds. This is especially the case with environmental prosecutions where much investigation must be done to acquire proper evidence for a watertight case. This can cost huge sums of money.

Part of the reason for the abysmal record in enforcing the Litter Act, 1982, and other environmental Acts is that it is not worth it for a local authority, strapped for cash, to pursue polluters and other law breakers. I would like an amendment tabled, especially to sections 23 to 28, which would make it imperative on courts to force polluters to meet all costs of the prosecuting local authority. If we are serious about environmental legislation, we must include that in Bills. Local authorities should have a dedicated enforcement capacity which pays for itself. If it is feasible there will be enforcement, but pious aspirations will not work.

A key to making enforcement pay is to go about it as proactively and constructively as possible. The local fire officer does not wait for a fire to inspect a premises. The most important part of his work is to advise people on how to prevent fires. If litter pollution were tackled in a proactive way by drawing up plans for individual shops and streets, as outlined in the Bill, with avoidance as the primary objective rather than cleaning up after the event, the cost of enforcement and cleaning would be greatly reduced. This is all predicated on a bottom line of enforcement and prosecution. That issue must be dealt with comprehensively.

With £25 million now being spent on cleaning up Ireland every year and very little value got for it, throwing more money at the problem is not the solution. It is unacceptable to ask the taxpayer to pay for cleaning up other people's mess. The cost of cleaning up litter must be borne up by the polluter. The Bill is short on effective ways of doing this. It refers to drawing up plans but not to the key issue of specifications. By what measure is enforcement to be set? In other countries, such as the UK, standards are being developed by which exact measurement of litter can be ascertained. For example, an inspector can go onto a beach and check the number of items of litter on a given square metre of ground. Standards for measuring litter can be set. Streets and beaches can be graded over a period and black spots identified. This would represent a huge improvement on the current situation which is essentially reactive. I take it this is the type of approach the Minister is adopting as the Minister of State referred to monitoring performance and consultation with outside bodies. If she wishes to intervene to confirm that, I would be delighted to hear it.

Yes, that is correct.

I welcome that because it is important to set standards and specifications.

National standards can be similarly set for large commercial advertising hoardings. These standards should include the location of hoardings and restrictions on the size and number in any area. The local authority should be allowed to charge an annual licence fee for permission to use such hoardings. Public advertising is a cost on the environment and should be handsomely paid for by those benefiting from it.

A similar philosophy should apply to the organisation of large public events. The issue is mentioned in section 16. However, there is ambiguity in the wording. The Bill requires that organisers of large events draw up a plan to deal with litter and allows the local authority to step in and take the necessary measures in the event of a failure to do so. My concern is that a clean up later on the day of the event or on the following day will pass as a plan. I want the Minister to include a provision in this section that the clean up process must be an intrinsic part of the ongoing management of the event from the start. If cleaning up begins afterwards, half the litter will have already blown away. In some places where these events are staged, litter can be widely dispersed if it is left until the day after to be collected.

An event which took place on numerous occasions in my constituency, the concerts in Slane, is now running into difficulties. The site was self-contained but the surrounding area where people came and stayed for the concert, especially the village which is beautiful and well kept and which has an active tidy towns committee, was often left in an absolute mess under two or three feet of litter for two or three square miles. Cleaning up after an event is not acceptable. The plan must be in place from the word go. All of us have seen these events. They are unsightly and a disgrace. A plan from the beginning of the event would help reduce that. If promoters want customers and tourists to patronise their event they must have the capacity to keep it clean while it is in progress. Merely cleaning the site afterwards is not good enough.

The Minister has entirely omitted any effective control from his command and control-based strategy. He has also shied away from any serious consideration of the use of economic instruments. Their use must be at the heart of any effective strategy against litter.

Takeaways are one of the most obvious sources of litter in Ireland. No serious effort is being made to have them pay for the considerable economic costs their haphazard business practices impose on the community. They impose a cost on the taxpayer by way of cleaning up the mess they cause. They also impose other serious economic costs, in cleaning up the pollution caused by the dispersal of the huge amount of packaging they provide for their goods. Anyone looking at O'Connell Street late at night cannot fail to be appalled by the drifts of litter on the street. The great majority of this is directly traceable to the international brand name fast food outlets on the street. The famous floozie in the jacuzzi is usually to be found bathing in a sea of styrofoam. The cost to the economy of having the main street of the capital city awash with litter is incalculable. It seriously undermines the huge investments being made to develop a sustainable tourism industry.

Plastic bags, the bane of everyone's life, given out free by shops and supermarkets also have a large economic cost attached. After leaving the shops these bags are most prominently seen adorning the hedgerows on country roads and littering our streets. Plastic bags are not free even if there is no cost for them at the checkout in the shop. They are also largely unnecessary. Until a few years ago nobody would have thought of going shopping without bringing a carrier bag. There is no reason that situation should not be returned to. In one chain of supermarkets in Japan the imposition of a charge on plastic bags reduced their use by 70 per cent. The cost to the national economy of plastic bags and take away restaurants should be charged up front.

A range of economic instruments should be developed and imposed to deal with litter at source. These would prevent littering in the first instance and where it does occur they would be used to heavily penalise it. Fianna Fáil will bring forward a comprehensive package of economic instruments as well as addressing the crucial issue of enforcement for command and control measures. The failure of the Minister to include either of these measures makes this a lame duck Bill which we will attempt to strengthen on Committee Stage.

The futility of the present approach, which this Bill largely continues, is illustrated by Aer Lingus and Bord Fáilte having spent millions of pounds of public money developing new logos. There is hardly much point in painting the shingle on the gate if the house looks like a disaster zone.

This Bill is the latest instance of the superficial approach taken by the Minister to major issues. Deputy Ryan correctly remarked this morning that the Minister's only hope of any lasting legacy is the docklands Bill which will probably change the face of Dublin forever. However, even the Minister's most brazen handlers would not claim that he is responsible for the concept of urban renewal. He is entitled to credit for having the Bill passed on his watch. However, the Minister has side-stepped or fudged other key issues on his Department's agenda.

The Minister has buried the issue of local government reform under a plethora of commissions. On the fundamental issue of local authority finance, the Minister has fudged and foot dragged for two years and will announce the abolition of service charges purely for electoral reasons. I hope that more thought has gone into this than appears the case.

As a politician, I admire the Minister's fluency and fancy foot work which I have observed at close quarters for two years, and at a distance for four or five years previous to that. It is a very useful skill for getting out of a tight corner. These qualities, divorced from the will to tackle issues meaningfully and bring about real change, are simply play acting. The Minister managed to get out of the Department of Health just as he heard the buffalo coming down the tracks. His handling of issues in the Department of the Environment indicates a similar desire to get out before the going gets tough.

This Bill is a wish list of commendable aspirations. I may have gone into the shortcomings of the Bill in some detail but I have done so to indicate how dissatisfied we are that the Minister has not gone far enough in the Bill. We will be proposing extensive changes to it but we will support the Bill on Second Stage. In the past the Minister has indicated his willingness to accept amendments and I hope he will do so on this Bill.

I welcome the Bill which is long overdue. My party wishes to signal its support for the principle of the Bill and its aims and objectives.

This is a comprehensive Bill, but its success or failure will depend on the enforcement mechanisms built into it. This is the weakest section of the Bill and the section which my party will try most vigorously to amend on Committee Stage. We should learn from previous experience. The Litter Bill, 1982, failed because of lack of adequate enforcement. For example, in 1994, 502 on the spot fines were issued by 99 part-time or full-time local authority litter wardens. This represents less than six fines per warden per annum. In that year Limerick city failed to record a single on the spot fine or court conviction. In 1994 County Limerick had one full-time litter warden and the city had five part-time wardens. If the failure to enforce the litter laws is compared to the manner in which parking laws are enforced one will learn some valuable lessons. The revenue collected from parking fines is retained by local authorities and, in most cases, put to constructive use in the local authority area.

In Cork city the municipal high rise car park with over 600 spaces was financed by revenue from on the spot parking fines. This is an example of a local authority benefiting from the imposition of fines. When the incentive exists enforcement is rigid.

Uniformed traffic wardens are a constant presence in our streets reminding motorists of the consequences of breaking parking laws. Under the existing Act, revenue from litter fines is sent to the Exchequer. Local authorities have decided that the enforcement of litter laws is not financially rewarding and, starved as they are for cash, they have thrown in the towel. The Minister of State said that when this Bill is enacted the Minister will issue guidelines to local authorities. Something more than guidelines will have to be issued to local authorities, they need greater resources to enable them to make a success of this legislation.

Governments have a habit of enacting laws and putting obligations on local authorities to implement them. A recent example of this became evident recently in Tipperary North Riding. A certain listed Georgian property was extended out of all recognition without planning permission. When questioned on the issue the planning officer for the local authority area replied that there were only two planning enforcement officers for this extensive area. I make no statement on the validity of the excuse but I use it to illustrate the point that additional demands are put on local authorities without their being given additional resources. If this Bill is to be successful we must give local authorities the resources needed to enforce it rigorously.

As Deputy Dempsey said, enforcement can be rewarding for the local authorities. They can use the money raised from fines and penalties to enhance their own litter prevention or education programmes or to improve the placement or maintenance of litter bins. They could use such moneys if they are given the manpower to enforce the law.

Some local authorities have a good track record when dealing with litter and waste management. The litter management plans which this Bill requires of local authorities should be monitored regularly. The local authorities should set targets for themselves which they should meet. Unless such an approach is adopted at the outset the Bill will fail.

I welcome the provision whereby local authorities may keep the money raised in fines. We spend £25 million a year to clean up litter — money raised from the ratepayers and taxpayers. These contributors must feel they are getting a poor return on their investment. Citizens who care about the enviornment are forced to live with the squalor of litter, particularly in the cities. Bord Fáilte receives about 5,000 complaints each year from tourists, most of which deal with litter and illegal dumping of cars and household appliances. Our overseas visitors find it hard to accept that such an accomplished and creative people, who can win Nobel prizes and Olympic gold medals, cannot deal with litter.

Executives from the trade promotion bodies find that due to the prevalence of litter black spots, particularly in areas where jobs are most needed, they are forced to show potential investors sites for factories via circuitous routes. Sadly, it is often the areas which are most in need of jobs which make the least effort to make themselves environmentally attractive to investors who would create jobs.

It is fatal for a country so dependent for its survival on the growth of its tourist and food industries to be — and to be seen to be — so casual about litter. If Ireland fails to live up to its reputation as a clean green island the future will be bleak. In recognition of this the group Irish Business Against Litter was founded. I pay tribute to its dynamic and patriotic chairman, Dr. Tom Kavanagh from Fermoy. If it had not been for the group's efforts this Bill would not be before the House. It is significant that the Bill was published two days before a recent conference on litter organised by this group. It deserves the highest praise for kick-starting this Bill and bringing about its publication.

Give credit to the Minister.

That is what I expect the Deputy to do.

The Irish Business Against Litter group carried out a survey in February 1996 which provides a valuable insight into attitudes about litter. It helps us to focus on particular black spots which need to be targeted by the new legislation. It confirms, for example, that 72 per cent of those interviewed believe that stronger enforcement is essential. That should encourage us to put in place stringent enforcement measures because by so doing we would respond to the wishes of the citizens. This legislation will impact on the problem only if strong enforcement structures are part of the Bill.

However, in addition, we also need a carrot and stick approach which will yield the best results. We must put in place well designed programmes of public and school based education to convince people that our environment is our greatest national asset. We must carry out one in conjunction with the other. I agree with Deputy Dempsey that the £400,000 spent by the Minister on a TV campaign in the last six months has had no impact. It was a waste. Conducting such a campaign in the absence of the legislation was the wrong approach. The money should have been reserved until such time as the legislation was in place and the two could have been used in conjunction with each other.

Young people have a key role to play in changing attitudes about litter. Young people under 25 are not drinking and driving. You will not find anyone under 35 in any pub saying they had four pints before driving home. They will take a taxi home instead. Young people have changed their driving habits which is a good thing. They have grown up in an atmosphere where drinking and driving are not tolerated. If we can bring young people to the same awareness of the role they can play in changing attitudes towards litter we will be doing a good job for the future.

The Minister should establish a green flag competition for clean schools based on the blue flag awarded for beaches where a high standard of cleanliness is maintained. The blue flag award gives a great sense of local pride and patriotism and a scheme modelled on that should be applied to schools in conjunction with this legislation. Schools would then be challenged to put in place a waste management plan both inside and outside their walls. They would also be encouraged to create an energy management plan with prizes and green flags being awarded. In doing so, we would go a long way towards changing people's attitudes to litter. No matter how well framed and implemented, legislation alone will not achieve the Bill's objectives. Education is also needed.

I am in favour of a cleaner Ireland task force. It is heartening to see what has been achieved by the Tidy Towns competition over the years. Most provincial towns and villages are sparkling and a delight to visit during the summer holidays. Such places are totally litter free as well as having hanging baskets, window boxes and other features distinctive to different towns. All that has happened in response to the Tidy Towns competition which has been an enormous success. I congratulate the organisers in Ardagh, this year's overall winner of the contest. I also congratulate Kenmare, County Kerry, and other towns that achieved awards. What gave me enormous pleasure was the fact that a suburban area like Ballyfermot also received a Tidy Towns award. It demonstrates without doubt that what has been achieved in provincial towns and villages can also be done in cities if the effort is made and the community spirit is there. I take this business seriously. The Minister should put in place a cleaner Ireland task force to parallel what is being done under the Tidy Towns competition. In that way we would have a better expectation of the Bill's objectives being achieved.

I have spoken of the importance of educating the public through the media and of educating young people through schools but we must also enlist the support of the commercial sector if we are to achieve the Bill's aims. It would make a great difference if there was a small return of 5p or 10p on empty cans. The first thing one sees in the morning is cans left over from the night before with the remains of take-away chicken suppers. Both these items represent a huge component of the litter that spoils our streets. If we could enlist the support of the commercial sector to give a return on each empty can it would provide a great incentive to young people not to discard them.

Some primary schools have successfully organised programmes whereby young people collect cans and bring them to school for recycling. That is a good scheme which could be extended. However, we will not achieve this Bill's objectives unless and until we can involve the commercial sector which, as well as giving a small return on cans, could charge 2p for each plastic bag used. Such bags are a litter scourge but they could be controlled through the imposition of such a monetary penalty. People would then be more careful and would use fewer plastic bags. We should talk to women, in particular, about this. We might even return to our grandmothers' practice of using a shopping bag. One way or another we must put in place a system to reduce the number of plastic bags. They are doing substantial damage to watercourses, for example.

As I have already indicated I will be tabling amendments to a very weak section relating to the enforcement of these provisions. Section 3 (3) of the Bill states that no person shall place household waste into or near a litter receptacle.

The placing of household waste in litter bins is a scourge in our cities, particularly in areas where there are flats or multiple occupancies. That problem must be tackled in the context of section 6 (3) of the Bill which states: "The owner of any land appurtenant to a residence that is let in two or more dwelling units (not being seperate hereditaments) shall, notwithstanding the obligation of an occupier under subsection (2) in relation to land, keep the land free of litter that is to any extent visible from a public place".

In the context of the Bill the total responsibility is put on the owner of the property. However, I do not think that will work because tenants are there every day whereas, in practice, the owner or landlord turns up once a week to collect the rent. Unless the Minister can put some responsibility on tenants to control litter that section of the Bill will not succeed in obtaining results.

Debate adjourned.
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