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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 8 Oct 1998

Vol. 494 No. 6

Western Development Commission Bill, 1998: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I acknowledge the kind remarks made by my colleagues, Deputy Perry and Deputy Gerry Reynolds, on the opposite side. Not only were they kind remarks but they reflected the co-operation and co-ordinated efforts among Oireachtas Members in the west and in the differing constituencies. I also take the opportunity to pay special thanks to the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, for bringing forward this legislation and for the efforts he made since the commission was announced. In the intervening period, he visited every county in the area, consulted widely and encouraged, in a hands on way, the type of development envisaged under the commission.

The commission is important for a variety of reasons and its functions and role are diverse. One of the important elements is that it will become a co-ordinating forum for other agencies. As was mentioned by a previous speaker, there is a multiplicity of agencies in the west. Some were mentioned, including the county councils, Leader, partnership boards, enterprise boards, the peace and reconciliation fund, regional tourism organisations, Údarás na Gaeltachta, Forbairt, the regional fisheries board and the International Fund for Ireland, which is not a statutory body but has a cross-Border function. We now have the Western Development Commission.

These agencies are doing a worthy job which I witnessed in my constituency recently during a visit by the Minister of State, Deputy Davern. We looked at some novel projects which had been developed. The consequence of the development meant jobs were created, a service was provided and the developments were viable. They were of a high standard and high skills were deployed. I refer in particular to Tulsk and what the community did there, to Boyle and the use of the Internet from the King House in relation to tourism and to the Arigna area where wonderful projects have been engaged in which have created jobs and improved the economy in those areas.

It would be unwise not to recognise that this legislation should not be seen as a conflict between the west and any other part of the country, particularly given the difficulties in urban areas such as Dublin, Cork and Limerick. The problem in the west is that over many years its population has moved to the east coast, although many thousands went elsewhere. The over-population of this beautiful city, the decline in the quality of its services, the critical situation which exists in relation to traffic and housing and the many social problems which exist have been contributed to largely by the population decline in the west.

What is happening in the west may appear at first glance to be a solution to western problems, but I would like to look at the broader picture and see it as a contributing factor in finding a solution to the national crisis where there is such a disparity between places in the west and Dublin, although they face the same problems in many instances.

The departure of our population has left expensive services unused in many areas. On the other hand, there is also a lack of services. Real investment in the area cannot occur unless we are able to service and supply persons who want to invest in business projects or to live there and work in a professional capacity. This type of development is primarily intended to encourage people to come back to the area, create job opportunities for themselves and others and to use available facilities. I hope their return will encourage development and investment by the Department and the Government in other areas.

Rural development and urban renewal has been proposed for many areas of the country. The rural development pilot scheme covers Counties Longford, Roscommon, south Sligo, Leitrim and west Cavan. While I welcome what has been done by the Minister for Finance and his acknowledgement of what needs to be done, designation does not mean anything unless we have the type of investment which ensures basic services such as water and sewerage schemes. Many of the towns in the areas I mentioned do not have water and sewerage schemes. That is hard to say as someone who comes from the west. It is with regret that I say there many places in my county which do not have a quality water supply or a sewerage system. We cannot attract or encourage investment to the villages or townships where such services are inadequate or non-existent. At the end of the day, the opportunity to achieve something through designation will be lost. That is an essential element of this debate and I take this opportunity to make the position clear.

We must also take account of the planning laws in the area covered by the Western Development Commission. Planning is slow and in my county some genuine planning officers are working extremely hard and are engaged in a exercise which, to a large degree, lacks uniformity with neighbouring counties. The personal view of county manager as the planning officer is often superimposed. This results in difficulties for certain types of development. Naturally, development must take account of the highest environmental standards. The time in which a person may hope to receive planning permission should be reduced and, therefore, staffing and the necessary supports should be made available. Above all, it should be recognised that it is not undesirable to build beside a river or a lake or to build in proximity to any amenity provided it is protected, safeguards are put in place and the development is compatible with what should be the case in a rural or urban setting.

In many instances, the opinions of county managers are superimposed on local communities and development is seriously constricted. The ability of individuals to engage in projects or in residential housing is seriously restricted because of the River Shannon, boglands and mountains. Many counties have such features, not to mention others, which may impose restrictions. Some are very legitimate, such as national monuments and places of heritage. The establishment of conservation areas, the protection of wildlife and areas of interest for ornithology impose restrictions. Consequently, we must review the situation.

The executive function in the hands of managers should be broadened as no individual should have total responsibility for designing planning policy, although it is contained in the statutory provisions which apply. There should be a board representation of farming, business, commercial, technical and heritage interests comprising five or six people, each of whom is in a position to evaluate applications expeditiously, while acknowledging the social, economic, environmental and other needs of the area. Such uniformity does not currently exist.

Deputy Kenny and I are aware that in the case of some applications made in respect of areas along the Mayo and Roscommon border, one is seriously restricted in Roscommon while one will find a common sense approach to a similar application in County Mayo. That is not good enough at a time when investment and development is so necessary and, more importantly, the public perception of how the law is applied should be seen to be fair and equal for everybody.

It is also necessary to acknowledge that there is a decline in agriculture. This is my 25th year in politics and each time I canvass I find more unoccupied houses. These houses are surrounded by afforestation. Some have collapsed while people from elsewhere in the EU reside in others. In general afforestation has not had a positive impact on the local community. People will say that Masonite would not be in Carrick-on-Shannon were it not for the afforestation of the area. Masonite did not set up there because of a few thousand acres of young forestry in Leitrim, Roscommon, Sligo, Mayo.

However, the effects of afforestation, as described by the EPA, can seriously damage the environment, waterways and fish life. It has not made a contribution to employment, but it has caused our roads to be ripped up, imposed great inconveniences on many local communities and destroyed the landscape. One cannot build a house in particular locations but one can plant hectares of forestry, which in many instances produces poor grade timber, with all the consequences I outlined. There is a presumption that trees grow better on bad land. That is not the case because trees need good land which does not produce the chemical reactions that result in the type of pollution about which I spoke earlier. One can compare this to the often irrational attitudes of planners about the building of a house or a number of houses in what they describe as high amenity locations. The presumed damage done by a number of houses is nil because of the many systems available to treat sewage; it is a well refined concept.

However, afforestation attracts large grants. One can almost carry out a 100 per cent plantation courtesy of one grant. There are also great tax opportunities, but the people engaged in the industry do not live in the areas where the plantations take place. Many of them are involved in major corporate interests that plant for tax purposes. I do not mind people doing well or corporate interests making profits as it is necessary to generate and create wealth to benefit the less well off, but I am concerned when that which is vital to local communities is damaged or destroyed, they are not consulted and doubtful regulations are involved. It is important that this is recognised in the legislation.

The situation in Dublin is critical in terms of transport, crime, drugs and other social problems. I do not like anybody criticising our capital city but we must be in a position to avail of good transport services and technology and develop areas outside Dublin. The many thousands of firms based in Dublin do not have to employ non-core staff engaged in accountancy, administration and personnel in the city. They could be moved to Castlebar, Boyle, Carrick-on-Shannon, Roscommon, Sligo or other towns because the technology is available to allow for such transfers. They could buy cheaper houses and get away from the gridlock in Dublin, thereby avoiding confrontation and road rage. Most people would need a psychiatric consultant's examination on arrival at their place of work in the morning.

His name is David Hanly.

I often wonder whether the Order of Business is affected by the condition of Members arriving in the House having been caught up in gridlock. People who live outside Dublin enjoy a better quality of life. If people moved to an area of the country that we are trying to develop they would contribute such development by using the schools, shops, garages, public houses and other services that are currently under threat. Major co-ordination of planning is necessary and I hope the Western Development Commission will have an opportunity to achieve that.

Objective One status will contribute to the national interest if it is provided for in the context of the 13 counties which need it most. Some people seem to forget that three new states —— Finland, Sweden and Austria — are joining the EU. As they are net contributors there is no reason to believe this will further reduce what Ireland is likely to receive. If the west or rural areas generally are included, we will make a contribution towards the problems in urban areas. I wish to share my time with Deputy Eoin Ryan.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I thank my colleague, Deputy Doherty. He feels strongly about this issue and has raised it many times at our parliamentary party meetings. I congratulate the Minister on introducing the Bill because it is very important for Ireland as a whole. It has been rightly pointed out that in the long-term when this Bill bears fruit it will be good for Dublin. Dublin is groaning under the pressure created by traffic, house prices, crime, drugs and urban sprawl. People want houses and should be able to buy them. There are many great aspects to Dublin but much of this pressure has resulted from people moving to the east coast. They are not staying on the west coast, even though many of them want to, because for a variety of reasons it has not been developed as it should. Many of these people come to Dublin and live in my constituency. As they cannot buy a place to live they rent flats at an outrageous cost. Outrageous landlords in this city are ripping off tenants, many of whom have had to come to Dublin for work, by increasing rents by 30 per cent a year. They have not made any improvements to flats and there is no valid reason for such an increase.

This is an important Bill not only for the long-term future of the west but for Ireland and especially Dublin. Well structured development in the west would lift the pressure off Dublin, which would reduce the severity of many of the problems we face. I congratulate the Minister and the Government for introducing this important legislation. I have no doubt that in the long-term it will work and the west will awake.

This debate is different from the type we normally have in the House. Members on all sides have given their own opinions, which in most cases make a great deal of common sense. Deputies Doherty and Eoin Ryan should be complimented on what they said. Deputy Ryan is the first Dublin based Deputy I heard say that the west deserves development. He did not take the line most Dublin Deputies would take, that the west should not qualify for Objective One status because that would take money from Dublin. He has taken a more commonsense pragmatic line, that if the west was developed, it would ease the pressure on this gridlocked city and improve matters for the two areas. I would prefer if the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, was a member of Cabinet dealing with the matter. He was a member of Cabinet in a previous Administration and has considerable experience. I welcome the introduction of this Bill.

When Deputy Carey had responsibility for this area in the previous Government, his Department was assigned under the Department of the Taoiseach which has a strong co-ordinating role and the ability, where necessary, to shift bureaucracy within Departments. The Government decided for whatever reason that the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture and Food, Deputy Davern, should have responsibility for this area. That places agriculture at a primacy level and reduces the impact on this area from other Departments leaving the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, with a truncated version of what was originally the intention in regard to the Western Development Commission.

There are two aspects to this Bill. One is the fostering of economic and social development and the other is in regard to financial assistance. Many Deputies outlined the range of bodies and organisations in the seven counties that would be affected by such a commission. I do not know the impact such a commission's ability to co-ordinate and plan activities would have on the actions taken by those various organisations and bodies. I have received faxed requests and questionnaires about the future of enterprise boards, leadership schemes and ADM bodies and some people have fixed views in that regard.

Yesterday in the Shelbourne Hotel farmers put forward their case to resolve the severe agricultural crisis and the Minister was attacked when he made his contribution on behalf of the Government. Later that afternoon we met representatives of the 13 counties in the three European regions which seek to qualify for Objective One status, the Border counties, the midlands and the west. They put forward their cases in a clear and vociferous manner.

Securing Objective One status is part of the Government's programme. The three regions —— as distinct from counties — identified meet the European criteria for that status. The information from Commissioner Wulf-Mathies's office is that if administrative and regional structures were put in place which are acceptable to the Commission, that could facilitate their qualification. By doing that, we could prove the Government's point.

The Western Development Commission enshrines western development as a prime objective of all Government bodies and agencies. If that is the case and if securing Objective One status for those areas is part of the Government programme, that would allow £16 billion a year in Structural Funds for Objective One areas. It would allow those three regions, and the seven counties concerned in this case, access to that fund for whatever infrastructural or major projects were in line. That would help the Government achieve its prime objective, the development in the west, and it would prove its point.

ICTU representatives have gone to Brussels today to meet Commissioner Wulf-Mathies and they will put pressure on Ministers to make a decision on this. It is crucial for the three regions involved that they be allowed access to the bigger fund in respect of Structural Funds. If they do not have access to that, they will not be able to develop in the way the Minister of State wants them to develop.

The Minister of State made a good speech at the Ballina Humbert School when he set out his vision for our future. A major question for the Government is the type of future Ireland wants. That is why the farmers are here. Will the family farm and holding be an integral part of Ireland in the next century? Will the land be allowed to lie fallow in all cases? We do not know what will be the consequences of the next year's ministerial conference in Geneva when world trade will be the main issue with agriculture at the top of the agenda. There will be severe pressure from Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and South America to proceed on a free trade basis with minimal subsidies and subsidised payments.

The Government can create an environment to stimulate development and expansion. The seaside resort scheme was introduced when I had the privilege of being a Cabinet Minister. It was designed by Government to create an environment to stimulate investment, job creation and wealth to improve people's lives. That is part of the policy objective of the Western Development Commission. That scheme was a success in many areas and was too successful in some areas. A proper balance must be struck. If the Government creates the necessary environment and incentive, the authorities dealing with the consequences of that, the planning authorities, need to be imaginative in the way they implement such a scheme.

Westport is a beautiful seaside town. The value of commercial planning applications granted by Westport UDC in 1994 was of the order of £8 million. The seaside resort scheme was introduced in 1995 which increased the value to £15 million. In 1996 the commercial value of planning applications issued in that confined space increased to £27 million. Those planning permissions were granted by the local authority, the consequence of which was an enormous explosion in investment. There may be complaints that too many private houses which are not occupied on a full-time basis have been bought in the town. However, as time goes on and the families of these buyers use the houses, it becomes a more filled out operation.

My point relates to the requirement of the planning authorities to properly use the environment created by a Government decision. The Minister of State, Deputy Davern, is interested in sustainable development. Anybody who has ever driven from Newport to Achill will have seen on the right hand side of the road in Mulranny, a small, beautiful seaside village, the remains of the old Great Southern Hotel which subsequently became the Great Western Hotel. It was a magnificent building from the last century with a huge facade overlooking the bay and the harbour in a beautiful location, but it went to rack and ruin over the years and is now derelict. A number of years ago it was bought by a consortium including a lead proposer from Germany.

Mulranny was included in the Achill part of the seaside resorts scheme for investment and stimulation. The group put together a plan to create a unique European centre for education and leisure and spent in excess of £100,000 on drawing up plans for the development of the old hotel, ancillary facilities, apartments, etc. It was a major project and Mayo County Council as the planning authority dealt with it at considerable length. It asked a huge range of questions about various aspects of the project and eventually granted permission for the proposal. In terms of sustainable development, the complex could have created 150 or 200 jobs in the locality.

Subsequently, An Taisce objected to the development on the basis that the removal of some trees on the hillside would be "obtrusive on the landscape". The consequence was that when the An Taisce objection went to An Bord Pleanála, the entire project was shot down. The proposer spent in excess of £100,000 on his plans and dealt with every matter raised by the county council, which worked in close co-operation with him because it wanted this type of development in the area. All aspects had been agreed and although I understand the responsibilities of An Bord Pleanála, the result of its independent and outside decision was that the entire project was stopped. There is now on the landscape in Mulranny an obtrusive derelict building. It is 100 years old and an eyesore.

I do not know if the Western Development Commission in its policy formulation will have any facilitating role in ensuring that an organisation or State body, such as An Bord Pleanála, can state that a project is too big and ask that the size or number of elements be reduced. It could include conditions, such as the condition attached to the project I mentioned in relation to the trees, and allow proposals to proceed, if not on their original scale at least on a scale that would be sustainable, economic and create jobs. This type of decision requires the legislation covering An Bord Pleanála to be reconsidered. The board should be entitled to state that it will not give permission for the full proposal but will allow certain elements and the developer can proceed if he or she wishes.

When the hotel I mentioned was built 100 years ago, there were no trees on the hill. The pro-posers of the project intended to be careful with the surrounding sensitive environment by planting trees and improving the area. However, because An Taisce, in its legitimate right to appeal, said it would be obtrusive on the landscape, the area is now saddled with an eyesore in the middle of a beautiful village and there is probably no prospect of the project proceeding any further. If the commission is to liaise on policy matters with county councils and strategy committees, there should be a facility for An Bord Pleanála to be pragmatic in its decisions and not shoot down major proposals for sustainable development in an area as delicate, sensitive and impoverished as that location in the context of income. This aspect needs to be examined.

A number of Deputies mentioned the major requirement of water, sewerage and other facilities. It is a sad fact that unless the local sewerage scheme in every small town is bursting to overflowing, it is difficult for their local authorities to get money from the Department of the Environment and Local Government for expansion or extensions. One assumes there is an overall long-term plan in terms of where expansion should take place. However, county and town development plans are slow to proceed and things can change overnight. For example, three weeks ago the local newspaper in Castlebar detailed applications for more than 300 houses. In the next five years, there may be 1,200 or 1,500 extra houses in the locality and there is no planning to cater for that level of development in terms of water and sewerage facilities, footpaths, etc.

I recall the former Minister for the Environment, Deputy Howlin, telling me regarding the expansion of Intel in Leixlip that the roof was so big that it took up the entire waste water allocation from the Department for one year. If a Shannon corridor is created and people want to invest as a consequence in small towns which at present are falling into the river, the requirement for water and sewerage facilities will be huge. A coherence in planning is required by making a certain amount of money available over the next five years to cater for developments. This is very necessary.

I read recently about a major gas find off Achill in the deep water of the Corrib trough in the Atlantic. Other wells need to be dug at a cost of several million pounds each. The Western Development Commission should be in a position to respond if the operation is found to be commercial under licence by the company involved. It should consider the lead-in time if a situation like that in the North Sea will arise, where there was no planning at the correct time. The commission should consider where onshore developments would take place as a consequence of a major find if it is deemed to be commercial. A position should not arise where the company suddenly discovers there is a vast reservoir of gas which can be taken ashore, but the necessary local plans have not been made.

The Western Development Commission should lead planning for such operations. The money provided for it is a pittance in terms of what is required, but it is a start. The Minister of State, Deputy Davern, can legitimately tell the commission that it will receive £2 million this year and £5 million next year but it must prove what it can do. Lofty principles can be churned out of any floppy disc but the commission should be asked to identify the real action and its leadership role in driving economic expansion in the seven western counties.

In relation to Deputy Doherty's contribution, a European Union national who lives on an island came to see me some time ago. An ISDN telephone was supplied to him for his business and he told me that he has the best of both worlds. He can do all his programming and setting work from home on the island. Instead of having to go to Europe three times a month, he now only has to go every three months because he can do all his work from his house.

Every local authority or commission should acquire 200 or 300 acres of land in each county and create a digital park as its central focus. It should have prezoned areas for industrial development, light or heavy, so firms coming to Ireland from Silicone Valley or elsewhere do not have to wait two years for planning permission only to discover that somebody else may object to it, when they can go to Holland, Scotland or elsewhere in Europe and receive planning permission within three weeks. It would be worth following such a policy of pre-planning for industry to move people out of Dublin to work in less congested areas. It would be of assistance if the Minister of State could promote in America greenfield sites pre-zoned for industrial use, including light industry, software and digital parks.

I welcome the Bill and offer the Minister of State my full support. I hope the Bill will be a success and that the principles set out in relation to investment will be followed by a Government decision on Objective One status which would allow the commission and the Department to prove their worth.

I welcome the legislation and compliment the Minister of State on the enthusiastic way he has pursued the matter since taking office. The people whom he met recently in Lisdoonvarna were impressed by his knowledge of the issues involved. It is his intention to introduce speedily the necessary incentives to resolve the problems being experienced in the west. I also compliment Deputy Donal Carey who made a strong case for the inclusion of County Clare within the remit of the commission when Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach. Because of the social and economic problems being experienced, especially in the western part of the county, which to date have evaded all solutions, it should benefit enormously from its inclusion. The Minister of State indicated that the county will be represented on the board of the commission. This should ensure the associated benefits will be spread more evenly.

There is an ageing population in the northern and western parts of the county where many people live on their own in isolated areas. The population of townlands such as Gleninagh declined by over 33 per cent in the period 1971 to 1991. The population of Carron in the Burren, one of the most attractive areas in the country, declined by over 30 per cent in the same period. The dependency ratio in some electoral divisions is 20 per cent above the national average. This has major implications in terms of population structure. The numbers leaving the land, small holdings in particular, continue to increase. Because of the economic situation more and more are seeking employment in agri-tourism or alternative enterprises while continuing to farm part time. The commission should consider urgently how this trend can be reversed. The industrial development agencies, the Shannon Free Airport Development Company and Leader companies have concentrated on attracting outside investment and the creation of small enterprises at the expense of the development of agri-tourism and agri-business to which little, if any, attention has been paid.

The population of towns such as Kilrush has also declined. Large numbers of young people have left and many buildings, some associated with the flour milling industry, lie derelict. The urban renewal scheme should be utilised to attract substantial investment. The scheme has had a major impact on the economic and social life of Ennis where it has been operational for a number of years. Ennis is thriving as a result. The decentralisation of Government offices has also had an impact. An extension of the scheme could result in the revitalisation of Kilrush which in turn would have an impact on the areas mentioned. For the local elections seats have been lost from Loop Head to Galway Bay because of depopulation. Kilrush Chamber of Commerce and others have been pressing for over a year to have urban renewal status extended to certain areas to attract the necessary investment to revitalise the town. Tourism has had a major impact through the development of marina and leisure facilities.

During the years Bord Fáilte has been strongly criticised for not paying more attention to remote areas. The resorts had been the backbone of the tourism business. Tourism has increased dramatically in recent years but at the same time the resorts have gone into decline. I welcome the resort renewal scheme in so far as it applies to Kilkee and Lahinch. Two major hotel complexes are under way in Kilkee at a total cost of approximately £16 million — £8 million to replace the old Atlantic Hotel and another £8 million for a new hotel on the Kilrush Road. These are major developments by any standards and they would not be under way were it not for the resort renewal scheme. Not only do I wish to see that scheme continued but I would like it to be extended to other towns such as Lisdoonvarna, which has campaigned strongly for it and Scariff which currently does not even have a hotel.

We were surprised that Clare did not qualify for benefit under the hotels scheme announced some time ago where certain areas were deemed eligible for hotel development incentives. Some areas with no hotels have a large tourism business. Scariff is the angling centre of the lake district of east Clare, a very attractive area on Lough Derg with excellent lakes for angling and coarse fishing. It is inexplicable that such areas were not included because it might have resulted in an increase in tourism. The agriculture industry will not sustain the population in these areas. In fact, there will be a continuing decline and for that reason it is vitally important that resorts like Lahinch and Kilkee continue in the resort renewal scheme and the scheme is extended to some other areas. It is equally important that the urban renewal scheme discussions currently under way in Brussels are expedited so that towns like Kilrush can be included before the end of the year.

There has been enormous interest in these issues from local voluntary organisations, chambers of commerce, etc., which are currently seeking assistance from Government. This commission will help enormously if it puts its weight behind these campaigns. The Government can play a major part in this and it would be unwise for the Department of Finance to take the view that it will lose some minor revenues by giving incentives to areas which are struggling to survive and where there are derelict buildings, vacant factories, locked up houses, mass emigration and unemployment as well as other problems which need to be urgently addressed.

Many speakers referred to the necessity to provide infrastructural facilities in some towns and villages. It is appalling that at a time when the tourism business is expanding, with people willing to invest heavily in it, villages like Quilty still do not have a basic sewerage system. I have suggested to the Minister for the Environment and Local Government that it might be possible to frame an arrangement whereby companies could invest in the provision of these services if proper incentives were put in place for them. When the Government had a problem in recent years in relation to the provision of accommodation for the decentralisation programme, a scheme was devised by the Commissioners of Public Works where suitable buildings were designed, built and financed by local builders and financial companies. Excellent offices were built in Ennis and Limerick under that scheme and similar prototypes could be put in place for the provision of sewerage services in small villages like Quilty, which has a thriving tourism business. With a little imagination on the part of the Departments of the Environment and Local Government and Finance, builders and financiers might be willing to provide these services on the same basis as the Government offices were built under the decentralisation programme.

I have made a submission to the Minister for the Environment and Local Government and he should give it favourable consideration because otherwise facilities such as sewerage facilities for small villages will not be provided during our lifetime. They can be provided easily and in a way that will give employment as well as provide the basic facilities needed.

It is vital that this organisation does not duplicate the work of other organisations. It is essential that the organisation sets out clearly its own co-ordinating role to bring together the various organisations. At the moment, one organisation does not appear to know what the other is doing. With so many organisations such as the Shannon Free Airport Development Company, county enterprise boards, Leader programmes, enterprise committees of one kind or another and partnership companies, it is vital that there will not be any overlapping or duplication among these organisations.

The members of the new board have an opportunity to ensure that the various strands are drawn together and that there will be concerted action to deal with trouble spots in these areas. I have mentioned areas in which there has been an enormous decline in population but other areas are thriving such as the town of Ennis. It is vital that the commission directs its attention to problem areas and puts effective policies in place to deal with them.

On the section which gives power to set up subcommittees to deal with various issues, it would be a mistake if this body were to set up a series of subcommittees because the impact of the organisation might be lost. I strongly urge the body not to divide the organisation into too many units. Much action is expected from this body and we do not want to see it as simply another talking shop where decisions will be put on the long finger. It certainly should not waste time and resources studying issues that have been studied inside out. There are numerous reports and studies at the disposal of the Departments and organisations to enable them avoid duplication of effort and research.

We want to see speedy action taken to deal with the trouble spots which are easily identifiable and reverse the trend which has devastated the west. If action is not taken quickly, we will see a series of closures of small villages which will be on a par with what happened in the famine period. That cannot be allowed to happen. I am glad the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, has taken such a keen interest in this area. I hope that with the help of this new agency he will transform the face of rural Ireland and revitalise the small towns and villages which are crying out for action to be taken to deal with the decline they have seen over the past 20 to 25 years.

I wish to share with either Deputy McGahon or Deputy Boylan.

Go raibh maith agat.

I am happy to see the Bill before the House. It took a long time to get here despite the fact that I raised it on the Order of Business every morning. The Taoiseach assured me in Ballina some weeks ago that my raising the matter on the Order of Business helped to bring the Bill before the House.

The reason the Western Development Commission is being set up goes back to the bishops' initiative many years ago and to the "Developing the West Together" initiative. There were many meetings in halls during winter nights when people told the bishops and public representatives of problems in their areas. I am glad Deputy Bruton set up the Western Development Commission when Taoiseach and I am delighted this Government is putting it on a statutory basis. We welcome these developments. However, why did it take two years and five months to set this up? Why did it take seven years and 12 weeks since the bishops' initiative to get this Bill to the Dáil? The Government is now in office for 16 months and it took that long to get the Bill to the House, though we welcome it now.

We know it took the threatened resignation of the chief executive of the Western Development Commission to have this Bill introduced. Many public representatives have highlighted the plight of the west over the years. I know that Deputies from Dublin and elsewhere will say that Deputies from the west are always crying and looking for something. Some of them are at it now. A union delegation has gone to Brussels today to inform the European Commission why we should not have regionalisation of Objective One status.

Every report that has been sent to Government for the past 20 years has shown what has been happening to the west, but it took the previous Government and this one to recognise serious problems such as depopulation in the west. Every report has shown that the west has a decreasing population while the population of other parts of the country is decreasing — that speaks for itself.

Our rail service has suffered. There is an excellent rail line from Dublin to Athlone. I am not sure where the line stops in Athlone; perhaps it is at the Minister for Public Enterprise's house. However, the line to Westport does not stop at my house, and that causes problems for me. Westerners have always been treated as second class citizens. I hope the forthcoming budget will allocate funds to upgrade the Athlone to Westport rail line. Political pressure did not put this item on the agenda. A serious accident occurred in Knockcroghery in Roscommon some months ago and we were lucky 20 or 30 people were not killed. It was a miracle that the accident did not happen on a Friday or Sunday evening. If it had we would have spent many weeks debating what had happened. Now the Government and Iarnróid Éireann have been warned and I hope action will be taken on this matter.

I have to travel to Dublin three or four times a week, and I have no problem getting to Dublin once I reach Longford, as the Longford to Dublin road is perfect. However, the road from Westport through Charlestown to Longford is a disgrace. I compliment the Minister of State that at least this commission will be a statutory agency under his control. We will be able to ask the Minister of State questions about it rather than being told to write to the chief executive. I hope the Minister of State will answer those questions and that we will not have a situation like that of the National Roads Authority.

I looked up the Nealon's Guide to the 28th Dáil and Seanad recently to see what party the National Roads Authority represented and how many Dáil Deputies were on the board. I was amazed to find there was not one representative from that body in the Dáil or on a local authority. Yet that body's recent report stated that no money will be spent on the Longford to Westport road for the next ten years. The money is to be spent in and around Dublin.

This is where we are elected to, where we represent the people and where Ministers should be able to answer questions. It upsets me to see Ministers run off to different parts of the country to make announcements about legislation. This is the first place for announcements to be made and I hope to see that happen more often. This is why people say politicians do not count. We can only blame ourselves because we try to take away every bit of authority we have.

Regarding employment, the IDA does not really care about regionalisation. Its work is done once it gets jobs into the country. However, Mr. Kieran McGowan and the IDA have failed the west, with the exception of Galway city. Mayo, Roscommon, Leitrim and Sligo have been neglected. Many jobs could have been set up in Erris, Belmullet, Ballina or Killala, but everything was pushed into the cities.

Every morning on the Order of Business and the radio all we hear about is the gridlock in Dublin, people cannot get to work and they cannot get home. Who created the gridlock? Past Governments did because they could not put enough into Dublin. Where is the 100 metre swimming pool to be put? In Dublin. Why can it not be located in Cavan, Mayo or Roscommon? We should be given a break. Croke Park and Lansdowne Road are in Dublin, as is everything else, and people wonder why there is gridlock. Presumably for the next ten years all Exchequer money will have to be used to relieve Dublin's gridlock.

Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour think there is no place other than Dublin. There are other places, like Mayo, Roscommon, Sligo, Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan. These areas need a slice of the national cake they did not get in the past, and they will probably not get it in the future unless Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael Deputies from the west get together to tell the Taoiseach of the day, be it Deputy Bruton or Deputy Ahern, that they will not support his Government unless their area gets its fair share. That day is not far away. The electorate will look for people who will represent them and who will deliver to their constituencies. Regarding State services, a recent report showed that half the primary schools in Achill will have to close because there will be nobody to fill them.

A union delegation went to Brussels today to discuss Structural Funds. The west probably does not count because it does not have as many people employed as other areas. Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Democratic Left Deputies have said that this matter will affect the rest of the country. I was in Brussels with Fine Gael colleagues last week and I was sorry I did not go sooner, as I learned a lot about Objective One status.

By granting Objective One status to the west, midlands and Border regions two thirds of the funds will be available for those areas. If we go into a transitional phase one third of the funds will be available for the rest of the country. It will not affect one area in Dublin or anywhere else. I know there are black spots in Dublin, Limerick and elsewhere but every report and all statistics show that the west has been neglected and has not received its fair share of Structural Funds. We are not out with the begging bowl nor are we looking for more than anyone else. All we ask is for the retention of Objective One status for the west, midlands and Border counties to bring us in line with everyone else.

The Western Development Commission is to receive £25 million in funding. We were told at one stage that the budget would be £100 million. I do not know what has happened to the other £75 million. However, I do not want to sound negative. The commission is a step in the right direction.

I hope the Government makes its decision on its approach to Objective One status this week because the message from Europe last week was that all applications would be expected to be received six months before a decision is made in March. It is now D-Day and the Government must make its decision, which is not an easy one. Deputies are under pressure and I am sure the Tánaiste and her party will not want to see much money being given to the west, even though it has lost 10 per cent of its population in the past 40 years while that of the rest of the country has risen by 28 per cent, something which speaks for itself.

Not everything about the west is negative. It probably has some of the most beautiful country-side in the world. It also has a wonderful workforce who are prepared to work in diverse areas and who can do what is required of them. In Westport, Allergan employs up to 1,000 people. It has now moved its European headquarters to the town. Baxter in Castlebar employs 600 to 700 people. Volex is also located there. We in the west have not been afraid to work and there have been no strikes or other problems in these companies so they are delighted to be located there. We have good facilities; all that is needed is the infrastructure and a little assistance.

The Dublin Docklands Authority, something about which I never complain, is due to receive £500 million in funding. We from the west did not say it should not receive such funding, even though the people in the area have been moved out to other parts of Dublin to make way for beautiful hotels and apartments, which will eventually cause more gridlock. All we want is our fair share and to be given a chance.

Over the years, those who have represented the area — bishops, politicians, ordinary people —— have been disheartened as they campaigned for the necessary infrastructure to keep young people living in the west. There is nothing worse than to see busloads of young people on a Sunday evening heading for Galway, Sligo, Dublin and Letterkenny. The trouble is that, once they go, they do not return. They are educated to leave our area and that is sad. Some of them would love to live, work and rear their families there but cannot do so because the jobs and infrastructure are not in place. Had there been decentralisation at an earlier stage, many Departments and State agencies could have moved to the west but that did not happen because everything had to be in Dublin.

County councils are similar to central Government in that they want to retain all services in the county town. Belmullet is 75 miles from Castlebar. If one were to travel twice that distance from Castlebar, one would be in Dublin. People in Belmullet must travel to Castlebar for hospital services or to renew their car tax. All State agencies are in Castlebar. Why does the county council not locate a motor taxation office in Belmullet? It would create a few jobs in the area.

I hope the Bill is successful because it is our last chance. I am delighted the commission will be under the auspices of the Department of Agriculture and Food although I wish it were the responsibility of the Department of the Taoiseach. An understanding was given to the people of the west many years ago that all State agencies, such as IDA Ireland and the National Roads Authority, would report to the Taoiseach on what they gave to the west, Border and midlands. It is probable that the Civil Service ensured responsibility for the west was moved from the Department of the Taoiseach to the Department of Agriculture and Food. If Kieran McGowan or the chairman of the National Roads Authority had to report to the Taoiseach who, in turn, had to report to the House where questions would be asked about what funding was given to roads in the west and what jobs were given to the region, there would be red faces in the Department of the Taoiseach, IDA Ireland and the National Roads Authority. These people should be answerable to the House and it is wrong that they are not.

I am disappointed public representatives will not be allowed on the Western Development Commission and that membership will only last three years. We do not want the cronies of political parties on the board. Neither do we want people who have gained good experience resigning their positions after three years. There should be a structure whereby members resign at different times because they will have gained considerable experience in three years.

I compliment Deputy Donal Carey on his work as Minister of State with responsibility for western development. The last Government recognised there was need for such a Minister. This Government failed to appoint a Deputy from Connacht as a senior Minister, the first time that has happened since the foundation of the State. That speaks for itself. Neither did it appoint a junior Minister with responsibility for western development who actually comes from the west. No disrespect is meant to the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, who, coming from Tipperary, will look after his own little patch. However, he would not have the same understanding and love of or commitment to the west as someone from the area. The Government failed in this respect. Furthermore, it moved the commission from the Department of the Taoiseach to the Department of Agriculture and Food and that is bad for the future of the Western Development Commission.

I hope there will be no more reports on the west. We do not need the problems of the area restated because the Government and the State agencies know what they are. I hope the commission will not be a talking shop and that it will deliver jobs to the west and assistance to those who need it to set up in business. I do not want a situation similar to what is happening with the Leader programme and the county enterprise boards where feasibility studies are carried out and grants given, even for major hotels owned by companies which could buy out the Government, such is the amount of money they have. We should try to help people who cannot be assisted by other agencies and encourage people to locate in the west. We all love the region and want to see it develop. I hope the Bill is successful.

I welcome this Bill which has its genesis in the Developing the West Together initiative and I commend Minister of State, Deputy Davern, for his efforts. The widespread support from all parties for this Bill indicates that he was correct to take time to ensure the best possible outcome. Such support is unusual, particularly in recent days. The Bill illustrates the commitment of this and previous Governments to the west. It may have taken longer than it should have, but it is now happening and it heralds a new era in which I have great confidence.

Lack of finance has always beset initiatives such as this in the past. Local authorities and other agencies uttered the mantra of insufficient funding as the reason for lack of development. This problem was illustrated by the many Deputies who highlighted infrastructural deficiencies in areas such as water and sewerage. It would be a pity if this initiative was to falter because of lack of funding. The amount provided seems generous but it must be remembered that the return on this investment will ensure that it is more than self-financing. If this initiative generates the momentum of which it is capable, that must be matched by funding. Funding must not become a brake on progress.

Despite the negative comments that people have made about the west, there is enormous potential in the region. We can afford to be more positive about the region than we have been heretofore. This initiative has a potential which has not been realised by its initiators and promoters and I hope that that is how it will develop.

This Bill is a belated attempt to establish a form of regional development which has always been fundamental to the development of the regions and the economic well-being of the country. There have been rural development pilot schemes, but this integrated approach is long overdue. It is welcome and I wish it every success.

An illustration of the need for this initiative is the fact that incomes in the west are about 64 per cent of the European average. This proves that transfers of European funds have not benefited the area sufficiently, mainly due to the population criteria attached to the disbursement of such funds.

The Western Development Partnership Board produced a report called The Challenge: A Positive Future Through Action. I like the inclusion of the word "positive" in the title of the document and its emphasis on action. Action is what is required.

The report identified three main areas of need. First is the need to harness the high level of expertise and support systems which already exist in the west to produce self-sustainable development. This is important as we have too frequently tended to look abroad for the supports necessary to develop the lifestyles to which we aspire. We have overlooked our indigenous strengths. One of the successes of this document is that it pin-pointed the importance of building on the existing expertise and support systems in the west.

The report also highlighted to need to build new partnership models and to create vibrant economic and social development models. In particular, it focused on the local, county and regional levels. We have tended to have strong county models involving local authorities and other organisations. In some instances the local level has also been strong, such as parish and GAA structures. However, in other areas the local structure has been poor. The county model has served to diminish the potential of local community developments. The report also examined regional structures at which we have always been weakest. We now find that we must accelerate regional development in order to pursue Objective One status.

The third requirement highlighted by the development board's report is the need to broaden the investment base. This is the issue on which we have always concentrated. We have traditionally looked for foreign investment and frequently overlooked the potential for indigenous development in western communities and other parts of the country. The commission has a huge job to do if it is to address the threefold challenge posed in The Challenge: A Positive Future Through Action. The commission can be enormously successful if it approaches its task in the manner suggested by the report.

Roimh an Toghchán anuraidh bhí mé ar chlár teilifíse — ar TnaG ag caint ar an ábhar seo. Dúirt mé ar an gclár sin go raibh feirmeoireacht agus talamhaíocht níos tábhachtaí b'fhéidir ná mar a bhí riamh. Thosaigh an lucht éisteachta agus an lucht féachana ag gáire fúm mar níor chreid siad gur féidir dul chun cinn a dhéanamh i gcúrsaí talmhaíochta. Creidim féin gur féidir agus creidim go bhfuil sé an-tábhachtach ar fad go néireoidh linn é sin a dhéanamh. Bhéinn buartha muna mbeadh an Coimisiún ag tabhairt go leor aire do chúrsaí talmhaíochta agus ag cur brú ar an Roinn ar fud na tíre an talamhaíocht a chur chun cinn chomh mór agus is féidir.

Creidim go bhfuil baol ann go bhfuilimid ag brath ró-mhor ar thurasóireacht. Níor éirigh linn go dtí seo dul chun cinn eacnamaíochta a dhéanamh ar an mbonn sin. Ba mhór an trua dá dtarlódh sin mar creidim gurb é an rud is fearr atá ann chun na daoine a choimeád sa bhaile agus ioncam a thabhairt dóibh ná go mbeadh an fheirmeoireacht agus an talamhaíocht i bhfad níos láidre ná mar atá siad faoi láthair. Creidim gur féidir sin a dhéanamh.

This reminds me of the response of some members of the audience on "Questions and Answers" last Monday. There seemed to be an artificial division between the elected representatives, Deputies Moffatt and Kenny, and also among the audience. One member of the audience appeared to suggest that the need to pursue Objective One status and other initiatives needed in the west was prompted by local development groups and was not initiated or supported by politicians. It would be a pity if that was widely believed to be the case. My experience of Deputies and councillors in the west is that they have been to the fore in pursuing such initiatives. Unfortunately, when doing so they tended to attract less publicity than the value of what they were saying warranted.

Almost all speakers have referred to Objective One status and we all realise the importance of this issue. It is ironic that the three regions mentioned for inclusion include most of the western development area, but exclude County Clare which is in the mid-west. It would be extraordinary if County Clare was deemed suitable for inclusion in the Western Development Commission area but not for Objective One status. That is an issue that must be looked at carefully because it has the potential to create difficulties, not only for County Clare, but for a range of activities which the commission may be pursuing as part of its work.

While GDP in the mid-west region is high relative to the rest of the country, a substantial element of that is from jobs provided by foreign companies who immediately repatriate a huge amount of their profits. The difference between GDP and GNP is substantial. Were the latter to be used as the criterion the area would not meet the criteria required. There is a danger when there is a huge dependence on one or two speciality areas of production, that any downturn in, for instance, the computer area in Limerick, could have a devastating effect on the economy. It appears, once Objective One status has been established, that whatever downturn an excluded region might suffer, it would subsequently be excluded. This is a matter that needs to be looked at carefully. It could also be looked at in terms of an IDA policy of clustering similar type industries in a particular region. It is not unknown for a type of industry to suffer a severe downturn with consequent, sometimes substantial, job losses in the one region. From all planning viewpoints that is undesirable.

Many speakers referred to the need to address the over population of Dublin and the declining population in the west. The magnet which attracts people to Dublin is the availability of employment. Unless there is a national policy of regionalisation of jobs, the spread to which many of us aspire, becomes impossible. As Deputy Seán Doherty and others have said there is no reason towns in the midlands, the west, south and elsewhere ought not to be capable of attracting a great many of the major industries based in Dublin. This would have enormous advantages for the citizens of Dublin who suffer from gridlock, road rage and various other difficulties and would ensure a better quality of life for those who would remain in the capital city. Those who would be in a position to move to the less cluttered towns of the midlands and west would also enjoy a better quality of life.

I welcome the contribution by Deputy Eoin Ryan who is one of the first Dublin Deputies to realise the benefits to Dublin of adopting that approach are at least as great as those for the rest of the country. Heretofore, the only Dublin Deputy I recall making that point was the Taoiseach. This is a matter we have discussed on a number of occasions and something to which the Taoiseach is strongly committed but for which he has not got credit from many speakers.

There are many small pilot initiatives. Mr. Jim Connolly based in Kilbaha, County Clare, has been involved with rural resettlement on a small scale. This project requires a substantial level of funding. I understand, in co-operation with the IFA, he is now operating a new scheme to reoccupy deserted rural dwellings. This is a small element in a big picture which can be built up with the right policies. An even greater need than housing, important though it is in Dublin, is to position jobs in the desired location.

Long before that initiative, Fr. Harry Bohan, was involved in rural housing schemes. At a time of considerable difficulty, many people expressed scepticism. Now the vision of developing the local village community and providing housing for people there is very attractive. Apart from anything else, it would begin to effectively address the huge cost of housing in Dublin by providing houses in areas where it costs less and where the people have the capacity to be net contributors to the community rather than detracting from the quality of life which is the experience in the capital city.

The commission has enormous potential to tap into the area of technology parks attached to the institutes. Regardless of the disadvantages the west may experience, it enjoys a considerable number of these in Athlone, Castlebar, Sligo, Letterkenny and Galway University. The technology park at the University of Limerick, while it had small beginnings and a difficult gestation period, has become a tremendous success and has put the region at the forefront of research and development.

In all areas of manufacturing industry unless research and development is at the forefront one loses out. In the past we have erred on the side of spending too little on this. I commend the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Treacy, on the work he has done in this area. Ireland's future depends to a huge extent on our capacity to be at the forefront of research and development. The commission, given its opportunity to base some of its units with the institutes, has an enormous resource which it can tap successfully.

Last evening I was pleased to meet a group of Iranians, guests of Deputy John Ellis, who had with them a number of personnel from Sligo Institute. It is obvious there is potential for development and the creation of good quality jobs which we probably would not have dreamt about in the past.

I am concerned at the breadth of the role the commission must take on itself and about the county strategy groups that need to be established to enable the commission to do its job. Some counties have active strategy groups while others have not. I do not know whether it is intended that the strategy groups feed into the commission at a certain level and co-operate on an ongoing basis. I pay tribute to former Taoiseach, Deputy Albert Reynolds, for his work in this area and to my constituency colleague, Deputy Donal Carey, who did enormous work in the two years he was Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach. I do not agree with Deputy Carey that this matter should come under the aegis of the Department of the Taoiseach. The Department of Agriculture and Food continues to be the main player in western development and I am happy that Minister of State, Deputy Davern, is in that Department. Nevertheless, excellent work was done by his predecessor.

Many speakers referred to the need for improved infrastructure. I agree with Deputy Ring on the role of the National Roads Authority and the fact that much of the funding received from the EU on the basis of the low income in the west is spent in the east.

There is potential to develop the railways, particularly the Limerick-Sligo line. This may not be as expensive as suggested. We have in the west a plethora of airports which may be detrimental to economic success — Carrickfin, Sligo, Knock, Galway, Shannon, Farranfore. The airports in the east are Dublin, Belfast and Waterford. Cork Airport could be included on either the east or the west. Both the population and the economic development levels make it difficult for all these airports to be economically successful. Nevertheless there is potential for co-operation between them which has not been tapped and the commission can play a very constructive role in this regard. I am also worried about the plethora of bodies that already exist with which the commission will have to deal. One of the challenges will be to bring these bodies together. In this regard initiatives in relation to tax incentives, etc., must be directed towards as much of the region as possible and I share Deputy Daly's disappointment at the exclusion of Clare from a number of such incentives. The commission will find such exclusion was a mistake.

Tá an áthas orm cúpla focal a rá i leith an Bhille agus cuirim fáilte roimhe. In January 1997 the Western Development Commission was established through the good efforts of the then Minister of State, Deputy Carey, with the objective of promoting the economic and social development of the western region. Unfortunately for the region, there was a change of Government in June 1997 and there has been some foot-dragging since then. Two years later we are now discussing the necessary legislation to establish the commission on a statutory basis.

The proposed Government funding of £2 million this year and £5 million in 1999 and 2000 seems very inadequate. I was at the original meeting in Labane Hall in south Galway when the idea for developing the west together was initiated. The spark lit that Sunday afternoon has now become the flame which is the Bill. The objective at the time, in co-operation with local farm and church leaders, was to come together to demand a self-sustaining economic policy which would allow people continue to live in their areas and raise their families with a decent standard of living.

A number of factors are working against the west in terms of the provision of jobs. Remoteness in relation to the east coast and lack of investment in infrastructure have been serious drawbacks over a number of years. The lack of commitment by various Governments to an even distribution of the country's wealth and investment of capital in our region has been a major factor in the depopulation of the west over a number of years. The establishment of the western commission will not change the situation. Rather there must be a change in the Government's attitude and mindset. The best example of the Government's lack of commitment to the western region is its appalling neglect in not having yet applied for Objective One status for the west and Border and midland counties, the only regions qualifying for such status under EU criteria. A signal from the Government that it will make such an application would be a vote of confidence for those regions.

I agree with Deputy Eoin Ryan that there is tremendous potential for the west. There are great advantages, as well as the disadvantage of remoteness from the east coast, in the west. It has a resilient population and a well educated young workforce coming from our universities and regional technical colleges. We have the ability in a very good environment to attract a workforce to the west. Deputy Ryan, a Government Deputy from Dublin, made a very interesting point when he said funding or Objective One status for the west can only alleviate the problems building up in our capital city. If we change our mindset and thinking and provide jobs in the west, the midlands and the Border region, we will stop the population from migrating to the cities, and thus alleviate the pressure on cities such as Dublin in the provision of housing, and provide a better infrastructure to cope with the increasing number of cars, etc. Such problems will be alleviated if we maintain the population of other regions. Therefore, Objective One status would be good for Dublin. A point which seems to be lost on some commentators and politicians is that receipt of Objective One status by the 13 western, midland and Border counties would not disadvantage other regions which are over the 75 per cent GDP qualification level. The GDP figure for the rest of the country is 92 per cent while the figure for Dublin is 116 per cent. These areas will qualify for the next highest funding, namely transitional status. Therefore, it would be to the advantage of the entire country if the Government applied without delay for Objective One status for the qualifying region. A large delegation of Fine Gael Deputies from the region, accompanied by Mr. Joe McCartin, MEP, met Commissioner Wulf-Mathies in Brussels last week and were astonished when she told them the Government has not yet applied for Objective One status for the region.

The method by which the EU now measures qualification for Objective One funding is GDP, the cut-off point for which is 75 per cent. It is clear that Ireland as a unit will not qualify but that the region incorporating the 13 counties will qualify as its GDP is less than 75 per cent. During Question Time last week the Taoiseach said various structures will have to be established to get Objective One status for a region. In the current phase of funding only three member states, namely, Ireland, Greece and Portugal, received funding for the entire country. The other EU countries got Objective One status for various regions, 85 per cent of Spain, excluding the area around Madrid; the former GDR area of Germany; all regions south of Naples in Italy; a small area on the Belgian border in France; a small region on the Hungarian border in Austria and the highlands and islands of Scotland. Therefore, the precedent clearly exists under current Structural Funds for obtaining Objective One status for a region. It did not cause any difficulty for the administrations in the EU countries which received Objective One status for the regions which qualified.

I appeal to the Government to proceed with the application and I appeal to my colleagues and to Ministers of State from the west to support our application for regional status as we have an excellent case. Under the current phase of funding £1.5 billion was spent in the 13 western, midland and Border counties while £3.6 billion was spent in the other 13 counties. Therefore, the western region is getting only half the amount being spent in the other regions.

Debate adjourned.
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