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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 1 Dec 1998

Vol. 497 No. 5

Other Questions. - EU Funding.

Proinsias De Rossa

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44 Proinsias De Rossa asked the Minister for Tourism, Sport and Recreation the steps, if any, being taken to encourage the EU Commission to review the decision not to renew the URBAN initiative after 1999 in view of the consequences to those areas in which the programme operates; the provision, if any, which will be made to provide alternative funding for these areas if the Commission proceeds with this decision; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [25562/98]

URBAN is a Community initiative of the European Commission under which assistance is made available for integrated development programmes for a limited number of geographically defined deprived urban areas throughout the EU. The Operational Programme for URBAN in Ireland has total funding of about £21 million over the period 1994-9 and operates in three areas: north Dublin, Ballymun, Finglas and Darndale; south Dublin, west Tallaght and north Clondalkin; and the northside of Cork city.

Although the Commission's Agenda 2000 proposals do not contemplate the continuance of the URBAN initiative after 1999 the Government has decided that Ireland should avail of every opportunity presented at EU fora to press for the retention of the URBAN initiative.

Concern has already been expressed on behalf of the Government at the structural actions group in Brussels that the type of schemes and projects assisted by URBAN in this round should not be neglected in the event that URBAN is not renewed. In response, the Commission has said the type of scheme and project now assisted by URBAN could also be assisted from within the general scope of the European Regional Development Fund and the ESF post-1999.

Whatever the position with regard to the URBAN programme post-1999, the Government has indicated that it will not be deflected from its commitment to tackle social exclusion in deprived urban areas. In relation to those programmes in the area of social exclusion which are eligible for EU co—financing under the current round, the Government has indicated that it will, within the overall parameters of EU and other funding available post-1999, ensure that the objectives of these programmes remain a priority.

The Department of Tourism, Sport and Recreation is taking account of the experience being gained from the implementation of the URBAN initiative in the cities of Dublin and Cork in the context of the formulation of its strategy for local development post-1999.

Is the Minister giving an undertaking that the programmes which are in progress in Dublin and Cork will continue if the URBAN initiative is not continued by the EU after 1999? Will the initiatives which are now under way and which will not be completed by 1999 be maintained financially by the Government for a further three years?

Approximately £21 million is available to the projects in the areas to which I have referred. There have been delays in some of the projects drawing down funding along the pattern originally set out. There are a number of reasons for this delay with which Deputies will be familiar, including local planning processes. The finance exists and will continue to be in place to enable projects which are part of the plan from 1994 to 1999 to be properly completed.

The Minister of State did not answer my question. I asked him if he would give a commitment that the URBAN programme will be continued by the Government after 1999 if the European Commission does not renew it. This is especially important given the Government's proposal to split the country into two artificial economic areas resulting in areas such as Darndale, Ballymun, Coolock and north Cork being able to offer only 20 per cent grants for capital investment compared with 57 per cent in other areas. They will be at a disadvantage and will be further disadvantaged if this programme is cancelled as a result of Government incompetence in this area.

I reject the Deputy's suggestion that the Government is incompetent on this matter. It has been campaigning vigorously at European level for a continuation of the URBAN scheme.

That is not what Government backbenchers say.

The Government has shown itself to be committed to dealing with the problem of disadvantaged urban areas and will continue to do so. Dealing with the problem will be part of the national development plan after 1999 and is also an integral part of my Department's local development plan being compiled for the period after 1999. To suggest the Government is not committed to blackspot areas or areas of disadvantage is inaccurate. The URBAN programme is a community initiative which has nothing to do with regional status. The Government is committed to tackling urban blackspots and will continue to do so.

Acting Chairman

While I am determined to deal with Question No. 45, I realise Deputies have further questions, so I will accept three brief supplementary questions from Deputies Allen, Upton and De Rossa.

Do not expect to get answers.

Will the future application of URBAN be affected by the Government's regionalisation programme? Will those areas which will not have Objective One status be affected because of the regionalisation policy?

How much of the money allocated in 1997 under the URBAN programme has been spent?

Dr. Upton

Arising from what the Minister said about dealing with blackspots, is he prepared to extend the areas covered by the scheme or its successor to other parts of the city which badly need the resources it makes available?

I ask the same question for the third time and, on this occasion, will the Minister of State cut out the waffle and answer it directly? Will the Government commit itself to maintaining funding for the continuation of the URBAN scheme in areas such as north Dublin and north Cork after 1999? I do not want to be told about the Government's commitment to eliminating social exclusion and social deprivation. I want a specific commitment that funding will be made available for a further three years after 1999.

The answer to Deputy Allen's question about the URBAN issue is no. Regarding the drawing down of funding, there is a considerable amount of data. In the interests of being brief, I will give the Deputy——

I only want two figures — the amount allocated and the amount spent.

Allow the Minister of State to conclude.

Does the Deputy want the allocation in north Cork or overall?

Overall.

The total allocation was £21.34 million of which £1.528 million was spent by the end of 1997 and an additional £1.428 million by June 1998. It is forecast that £5.359 million will be spent by the end of 1998 and £12.971 million by the end of 1999. All those figures added together are almost equal to the £21 million allocated.

Only 14 per cent of the money allocated has been spent and costs are escalating.

A number of significant projects have not yet had funding drawn down by the local steering groups. That is a matter for them. The funding is not being delayed by my Department.

Regarding Deputy Upton's query about our commitment to blackspots, the Government is committed to dealing with that issue. My Department has been working on proposals and we will make an announcement on our approach to dealing with blackspots in a special initiative.

I resent Deputy De Rossa's suggestion that I was not in the House. I do not believe I am known for that and, if he has come to that conclusion, that is his business. I deny I was not in this House.

I did not say that.

The Deputy used those words. He should check it out.

I said the Minister of State was waffling.

I reject that and suggest that the Deputy——

I want to hear a firm commitment from the Government.

I understand the Acting Chairman said he would take Question No. 45. If that is to be done, the Minister should be given a chance to reply. Deputy Jim O'Keeffe who tabled the question has been in the House all afternoon.

If that is not what Deputies want, the Chair has no problem with that and will proceed to the Order of Business.

My final response to the Deputy is that the Government is committed to tackling the issue of urban blackspots. We have shown that in our policy decisions to date and the Deputy will see our continuing commitment to the urban blackspot areas for which I have responsibility on behalf of the Government.

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