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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 4 Jul 2001

Vol. 540 No. 2

Adjournment Debate. - Dismissal of Estate Officers.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Creed. This matter relates to the arbitrary dismissal of seven estate officers by Government decision earlier this year, which I regard as very heavy handed. I am sure the Minister of State has been well briefed on the history in this regard by his personnel officer. Over a long number of years there have been attempts to negotiate an honourable outcome to the dissolution of the Land Commission and the redeployment to alternative, suitable areas of employment of estate officers who wish to remain in the Civil Service. What has happened, however, is that people have been offered alternative employment such as collecting fines in the courts service. These people have been engaged in outdoor activity, such as dealing with commonage and the consolidation of holdings. The Minister of State, Deputy Ó Cuív, in particular will understand the great work done by officials of the Land Commission in the west.

There has been a general refusal by officials of the Department to negotiate an honourable settlement with the outstanding seven estate officers, which has an impact on their pay, allowances and career aspirations. These people have families. They have given great service to the Department and the Civil Service but now find themselves very frustrated. They are willing to negotiate but find the door has been shut in their faces by the Department following the Government decision. They have no redress other than to go to the High Court at their own expense. If they win a case in the High Court I am sure they will end up having to go to the Supreme Court at their own expense. It is unfair that the private individual has to take on the machinery of the State, which has the benefit of money from the Exchequer and taxpayers to fight its case.

Over the years this has been the subject of investigation by the Committee of Public Accounts.

In fact I know over the years that this has been the subject of investigation by the Public Accounts Committee. Mr. Dowling, the then Secretary of the Department of Agriculture, when asked at a Public Accounts Committee meeting why these people were not engaged in useful activity, said that they were ordered to go to work but to do nothing, because there was nothing for them to do if they did not want to take up alternative employment. That drifted on for years, until the Government decision earlier this year that they were no longer useful. I appeal to the Minister of State, to put aside his brief and all the problems with the Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development and deal with the individuals and their families in an honourable way to negotiate a settlement.

I thank the Ceann Comhairle's office for allowing us to raise this matter on the Adjournment. The Minister of State, Deputy Ó Cuív, has a rightful reputation for being fair minded and having an independent streak. I have no doubt that he has been given a prepared script by his Department to deal with this issue. Will he stand back from it and consider the injustice of the manner in which the individuals involved in this case have been treated? It smacks of the heavy hand of the State crushing seven individuals who have been willing to continue to provide public service – who have in the past provided excellent public service – and who got caught in a transition period when the Land Commission was abolished. Through no fault of their own they were disallowed from further participation in the Civil Service. As my colleague, Deputy Hogan, said, they indicated on numerous occasions their willingness to negotiate a reasonable settlement to bring to a conclusion this long running saga.

The individuals involved commissioned independent actuarial advice on this matter which showed clearly that the salaries on which their redundancies and pensions are based were artificially suppressed over a number of years. Notwithstanding the initial injustice of their summary dismissal, they have to put up with the added injustice of inadequate financial settlement from the State.

This also brings into question a matter which is not the responsibility of the Minister of State – how these men could be cast aside by their trade union; this is an issue for another forum. I am extremely disappointed with the way IMPACT handled this case on behalf of the seven individuals. Other colleagues were forced into doing tasks they were not previously involved in. These seven individuals, some of whom attempted to take up alternative duties, found it to be unsuitable and ultimately had to put up with the ignominy, as Deputy Hogan has said, of being obliged to turn up for work but being asked to do nothing. These men are willing to make an honourable settlement – seven individuals have been forced to come up with considerable financial resources to pursue their case through the court. That does not indicate that they are taking this matter lightly. It has inflicted a heavy toll on their personal lives and their sanity. I ask the Government and the Department to revisit this issue with the aim of bringing about an honourable settlement.

I thank the two Deputies for raising this issue. For reasons that will become apparent, I am obliged to stick to the prepared script this evening. I welcome the opportunity to explain the decision of the Government on this issue as there seems to be some misunderstanding on the subject. At the outset, I should say that I am aware from media reports that the individuals affected by the Government's decision obtained leave from the High Court on 25 June last to challenge the decision by way of application for judicial review. As is usual in such proceedings, the application for leave was made ex parte, that is, without the presence in court of any lawyers representing the State's interests. Accordingly I am not aware of the full nature and extent of the reliefs sought by the applicants or of the grounds upon which they seek to rely. Moreover, neither my Department nor the Chief State Solicitor has yet been served with the legal documents. In the circumstances, I am somewhat constrained in the extent to which I can comment on the matter having regard to the well established rules of this House governing the discussions of matters which are sub judice.

The sub-professional grade of estates officer was established in 1969 to carry out some of the more routine duties of the Land Commission inspectorate. As their main duties involved the management of lands acquired by the Land Commission, their work diminished following the Government decision in 1984 to abolish the Land Commission.

By 1987, the residue of work on lands had virtually ceased and arrangements had to be made to redeploy these men to other work. There was no lands work available and as it was considered that this Department had sufficient staff, efforts to find them alternative work were concentrated in other Departments. Following various attempts to assign them to alternative duties, on 1 May 1987 the Department of Finance redeployed all the serving estates officers as court clerks to the Department of Justice. There were 13 officers involved at that stage. This decision was not taken lightly and was the outcome of protracted negotiations with the Union of Professional Civil Servants, which represented the estates officers at the time. These assignments were actively chosen with a view to improving their remuneration, avoiding any geographical inconvenience and facilitating access to promotion posts. This latter point had always been a bone of contention with the estates officers as they had not heretofore enjoyed any promotion outlets. However, as the estates officers preferred to remain as estates officers, they objected to these assignments and sought a judicial review of the assignment decision.

In January 1991, following an out-of-court settlement which was negotiated by the Department of Finance, the officers returned to the Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development.

At this stage, the Government had introduced the voluntary early retirement scheme and four of these men availed of the package, one died and one remained with the Department of Justice.

As was to be expected, no appropriate lands functions developed between 1987 and 1991. Thus when these officers returned to this Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development, the only viable option for their continuing employment was to redeploy them to alternative duties. This process was long, tedious and subject to voluminous legalistic arguments as the estates officers operated on the premise that the out-of-court settlement gave them an entitlement to continue to function as estates officers for the remainder of their careers. This was not acceptable to my Department. The emphasis of my Department at that time was to resolve the issue by offering the officers involved alternative duties.

On 24 August 1992, these men were assigned to higher agricultural officer duties in meat plants as near as possible to their home locations. This offer was made following full discussions with the Office of the Attorney General and the Department of Finance. The officers objected to this offer as they considered these indoor duties as inappropriate. Following advice and discussions with the Office of the Attorney General two further offers were made in 1996 and 1998. These consisted of the option of an early retirement package or the choice of recertification as higher agricultural officers and assignment to outdoor duties on livestock or disease eradication schemes with headquarters near their home.

In 1998, the estates officers were again given a similar choice to that offered in 1996 but with more financially beneficial retirement terms. The offers in 1996 and 1998 indicated that if the choices offered were rejected the Department would have no alternative but to consider seeking the approval of the Government to terminate their services under the appropriate provisions of the Civil Service Regulation Acts.

None of the offers made has been accepted and the net effect is that these seven officers continued to be paid by the State but without being gainfully employed. No lands work appropriate to their qualifications and experience materialised as the Commencement Order for the Irish Land Commission (Dissolution) Act, 1992, was signed on 31 March 1999.

The State found itself in the untenable position of paying salary to these officers who are not gainfully employed and who had refused the reasonable offers of alternative employment offered. In the light of these circumstances, on 20 March 2001, the Government decided that the grade of estates officer should be abolished and the services of the seven remaining officers in the grade should be terminated under sections 5 and 17 of the Civil Service Regulation Act, 1956.

The terms available under sections 6 and 7 of the Superannuation and Pensions Act, 1963, grant of notional years of established service in consequence of the abolition of an officer's office, should be provided to the remaining officers on the estates officers salary scale. I hope this information, which is fairly comprehensive, is of use to the Deputies in explaining the factual background to this dispute.

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