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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 27 Jan 2005

Vol. 596 No. 2

Private Members’ Business.

Accident and Emergency Services: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by Deputy Gregory on Tuesday, 26 January 2005:
That Dáil Éireann,
noting:
that the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children is now more than 100 days in office;
- with deep concern, the request from the Health and Safety Authority seeking an urgent safety inspection and comprehensive risk assessment of every hospital accident and emergency unit in the State with immediate steps to address any deficiencies;
- that the Health and Safety Authority request follows a statement by the Irish Hospital Consultants Association last week that overcrowding of accident and emergency units is posing a "serious risk" to patients;
- that there are as many as 400 patients on trolleys in accident and emergency departments awaiting beds at various times according to statistics from the Irish Nurses Organisation;
- that the situation is worst in a number of Dublin hospitals with 46 patients on trolleys at Tallaght Hospital, 28 at St. Vincent's Hospital and 27 at the Mater Hospital;
- that the Health and Safety Authority requires the hospitals to report back by 25 February 2005 along with confirmation that steps are being taken to tackle the problems identified;
- the necessity for the action of the Health and Safety Authority in requiring an urgent safety inspection of every accident and emergency unit in the State;
- the failure of the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children to make any impact on the crisis situation in the accident and emergency departments of our hospitals;
demands that the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children:
- take immediate action to address the ongoing and continuous crisis in the accident and emergency units of our hospitals;
- outline a timescale within which this action will be taken;
- immediately address the growing sense of frustration among staff in accident and emergency units;
- make urgent provision for sufficient new beds to end the crisis; and
- assist the hospitals immediately to meet all their needs arising from the safety audit and risk assessment as required by the Health and Safety Authority.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:
"commends the Government for the level of additional investment that has now been provided to improve the delivery of accident and emergency services, supports the implementation of the new ten-point plan for accident and emergency services and supports the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children in her commitment to improve patients' experience of health care and particularly of the accident and emergency service."
—(Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children).

The delivery of accident and emergency services continues to receive attention at the highest political and official level. A new vigour has now been given to the issue by the Tánaiste. Her plan will be the focus of the highest level of political attention this year and I am confident it will deliver results.

Much publicity has been given to the number of patients waiting on trolleys in accident and emergency departments. I agree that everything must be done to resolve this problem. Much of the good work being done, however, in accident and emergency departments goes unreported. Is it not also news-worthy that hospitals deal with approximately 1.2 million attendances at accident and emergency departments each year? This is equivalent to 3,280 patients being seen in accident and emergency departments every day of the year.

Discharges from acute hospitals now run at over 1 million per annum as hospitals continue to treat more patients. While we do have problems in particular areas of service delivery, it is unfair to the dedicated medical, nursing and support staff that their tremendous commitment and achievements do not receive the recognition they deserve.

This Government has provided additional resources for accident and emergency services for some time. In June 2004, the Department of Health and Children approved proposals for short and medium-term actions to be taken to address the problems associated with accident and emergency departments in the Dublin academic teaching hospitals. These initiatives cost €2.4 million in a full year and include the appointment of a new consultant in emergency medicine, specialist nurses, the establishment of rapid assessment teams, a clinical decisions unit and the provision of multi-disciplinary teams to assess patients.

An independent review of security arrangements in the accident and emergency departments of all hospitals providing accident and emergency services was undertaken in 2002. The Department provided €2.35 million towards the cost associated with the enhancement of security arrangements.

There are now 52 emergency medicine consultant posts in acute hospitals, more than double the number in 1997. The availability of senior medical staff in accident and emergency departments facilitates rapid clinical decision making, enhanced management, diagnosis and treatment of patients.

Our capital investment programme for hospitals continues to be rolled out. Actions and investment programmes have been put in place in recent years which are contributing to and will continue to increase the hospital system's ability to meet increasing demand for services.

In September 2004, the previous Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Micheál Martin, approved the commissioning of a number of new units in acute hospitals which have been funded under the national development plan. These developments will provide modern health facilities particularly for cancer care, medical assessment units and accident and emergency departments. New day facilities, theatre and diagnostic capacity will result in improved patient flows through the hospital system and make better use of existing inpatient beds.

Pressures on the hospital system, especially in Dublin, arise from demands on emergency departments and on difficulties associated with patients who no longer require acute treatment but are still dependent. Funding of €16.8 million was made available to the former Eastern Regional Health Authority between 2003 and 2004, resulting in over 600 patients being discharged from acute hospitals to more appropriate settings. A total of €5 million is also being provided to the Southern Health Board under the delayed discharges initiative to facilitate the discharge of patients from the acute hospital system.

The Tánaiste has already spoken in detail about the ten point action plan she announced for accident and emergency services. She has secured €70 million in additional revenue funding and €10 million in capital funding to support these initiatives. The Department of Health and Children is liaising with the Health Service Executive to progress the implementation of the plan.

I look forward to continued improvements in the delivery of accident and emergency services so that patients' needs are met in a timely and appropriate manner.

I welcome the fact that on entering office, and at the publication of the Estimates, the Tánaiste identified the delivery of accident and emergency services as a priority for attention. Policy is continually evolving and, although there has been huge investment in the health services, there are still areas that require further attention. I would like to examine the action that has been taken in recent months to recognise the problems in accident and emergency services and the time set aside by the Tánaiste and the Government to deal with the relevant issues.

The Tánaiste acted promptly in November 2004 by writing to the CEOs of the ERHA and in December 2004 by reiterating her plan of action for the other CEOs. It is hoped that the proposed actions will reduce waiting times, particularly for patients waiting for trolleys, facilitate the movement of patients from accident and emergency departments to more suitable parts of hospitals and improve the working conditions of accident and emergency staff. Such aspirations were included in a statement made at the launch of the Book of Estimates and are part of the Government's overall policy.

The Tánaiste has asked all hospitals to prioritise accident and emergency services and to identify key actions that will improve the flow of accident and emergency patients. It is clear to those of us who have served on health boards that some hospitals can remain within budget while offering a superior level of service. Other hospitals in certain health board areas do not seem able to offer the same level of initiative or delivery. The Tánaiste has made it clear to hospitals that they should demonstrate clearly how they intend to prioritise and improve their accident and emergency delivery policies before they look for further funding for various initiatives.

The relevant health authorities have been instructed to begin discussions on the core issues with the CEOs of the relevant hospitals immediately. Such issues include analysis of patient flows, reorganisation of work practices and rostering of accident and emergency staff. Regular ward rounds should be undertaken by consultants and registrars. It might seem that such matters were in place for a long time, but it is clear that they need to be resurrected. The old ways need to be improved on.

Other bodies have been asked to assist in prioritising accident and emergency services. The national treatment purchase fund has been asked to scale back its activities in public acute hospitals, thereby freeing up bed capacity.

The members of the Joint Committee on Health and Children, of which I am Chairman, recognise the difficulties that are faced by accident and emergency units as a consequence of the abuse of alcohol. It is clear that a great deal of staff time is spent treating problems which result from the high level of such abuse. People who are intoxicated or under the influence of drugs take up many spaces in accident and emergency units. The joint committee produced a comprehensive report on alcohol misuse and abuse last year. The report stated that the misuse of accident and emergency services by people who are drunk or in a serious condition has to be clearly recognised if we are to improve such services. We have to tackle the problems caused by those who should not be presenting themselves at accident and emergency units. The measures to be introduced will help accident and emergency patients, particularly older people, and their families.

I read with interest a recent letter in The Irish Times, which showed the positive side of accident and emergency services. The letter writer praised the excellent treatment he received in the accident and emergency unit of the Mater Hospital. Accident and emergency departments throughout the regions can be praised in a similar manner because they are providing improved services. Staff have extra confidence in the improvements in the system because they know the Government’s policies will improve accident and emergency services.

I welcome the allocation of funding of €16.8 million to the ERHA, which will result in 1,600 patients being discharged to more appropriate settings. Improved and expanded accident and emergency departments are being provided throughout the State, for example at Cork University Hospital, James Connolly Memorial Hospital and Naas, Clonmel and Roscommon hospitals.

I recognise the initiatives taken by the Tánaiste and the Government and the increases in health service funding. I dispute the suggestion that there have been cutbacks in the health sector. The level of funding made available to the health system has been increasing since 1997. The capital programmes have increased throughout the State. There has been massive investment in most county hospitals. It is clear that the regionalisation of health services is to be welcomed. Tackling the problems in accident and emergency services is the final piece of the jigsaw if we are to provide a First World health service. The Tánaiste is going the right way about it. I give her my full support.

I also welcome the opportunity to say a few words as part of this important debate. I compliment the Technical Group, which is coping well without Deputy Twomey, on proposing a motion on issues which, in fairness, are of concern to many of us. It is expected of me to mention Tallaght during debates of this nature and I will do so on this occasion.

I would like briefly to raise a matter that I will not be able to discuss under other circumstances. I welcome the appointment yesterday by the Department of Foreign Affairs, through the Minister, Deputy Dermot Ahern, of my colleague, Mr. Chris Flood, whom I succeeded in the Dáil, as an envoy to Asia. I wish him well in that role.

I will not claim that there are no problems in Tallaght — of course it has problems, like everywhere else. I have spent a great deal of time concentrating on issues relating to Tallaght Hospital. That 29 people, in respect of whom a decision to admit has been made, are waiting on chairs and trolleys in the hospital's accident and emergency unit this morning indicates the challenge we face. Three other patients, in respect of whom a decision to admit has also been made, are waiting in what the hospital describes as "inappropriate observation beds". Nine people in other parts of the hospital, including the day ward, also need to be admitted.

As a Fianna Fáil backbencher and a strong supporter of the Government, including the Tánaiste and the Ministers of State at the Department of Health and Children, it is important to state that I support what they are trying to achieve. At the same time, it is right that I should acknowledge that there are problems in Tallaght. I intend to work with the Department to find solutions to the problems. I was a member of the board of Tallaght Hospital from 1987 to 2002, when I was elected to this House. I am proud of my involvement with the hospital. While it may not be in order, I am happy to acknowledge that the Ceann Comhairle was a progressive Minister for Health who ensured that Tallaght Hospital was built and developed.

I was informed by representatives of Tallaght Hospital this morning that its accident and emergency unit is extremely busy, just like all other hospitals in Dublin. That level of activity is a reflection of the continuing increase in the population of the hospital's catchment area. One should bear in mind that the hospital caters not only for the population of Tallaght, but also for patients from a wide area that stretches as far as Carnew, County Wicklow. Tallaght is the third largest centre of population in the State, after Dublin and Cork. It has a bigger population than Limerick. It is forecast that the population of the hospital's catchment area will continue to increase in the foreseeable future.

Tallaght Hospital has submitted plans for the development of an acute medical assessment unit adjacent to the accident and emergency facility. The planned unit, which will have 38 beds, will help to alleviate the pressure on the hospital's accident and emergency department. I ask the Minister and her officials to consider the proposals carefully. The hospital recently appointed two patient liaison officers, who facilitate communication about the triage system in accident and emergency units. The Department has also established an outpatient clinic for review patients. I understand that approximately 3,000 patients are referred to the clinic each year. The hospital also has an active wound care clinic, which treats approximately 2,000 patients each year.

I wish to refer to some other positive initiatives which have been developed at Tallaght Hospital recently. I have been assured by the management of the hospital that such initiatives have helped to improve the service provided at its accident and emergency unit. The opening of a short-stay observation ward within the accident and emergency department has enabled the hospital to observe and treat a number of minor conditions. The ward contains a chest pain assessment unit that treats patients who have a mild or moderate risk of their pain being of a cardiac nature, but do not have an initial definitive diagnosis.

There are problems in Tallaght, just as there are everywhere else. The Deputies who represent the area have a responsibility to highlight such matters and to work with the Department to ensure they are solved. Anybody who read this morning's Tallaght Echo— I am always happy to recommend that newspaper because it contains many interesting articles — will have read a report about the problem. The Tánaiste knows that there are difficulties in this area. I wish her well as she assists us in dealing with such matters.

I am delighted to have an opportunity to speak on this Private Members' motion. It is opportune that the first Private Members' business after the Christmas recess should relate to the important issue of accident and emergency services. It is interesting to note that the Tánaiste has stated publicly and in this House that she is determined to solve these problems, which are the cause of a perennial crisis point in the health service.

All Deputies have an interest in the health service. Every year we hear of patients who have to spend many hours in accident and emergency departments while they wait to be seen. In some cases, people who are awaiting admission to hospital have to spend time on trolleys, which is unacceptable. Despite the great increases in spending on the health service by the Government, which will be in excess of €10 billion this year, the spectre of patients and staff in accident and emergency units having to put up with unacceptable conditions is still present. I warmly welcome the commitment made by the Minister to solve this problem. Her publication of a ten-point action plan serves to recognise that this recurring crisis must and will be dealt with. As the motion indicates, Deputy Harney has been Minister for Health and Children for 100 days, yet her decision to move decisively on this issue is very welcome. There is no doubt that the problems surrounding accident and emergency services are multifactorial and the solutions should be wide-ranging and need to take into account many different issues.

Let me consider a few of what I believe to be the underlying problems. Accident and emergency units are just that, i.e. places where accidents and emergencies can be dealt with. I believe strongly that some patients who have problems that do not fall within the definition of accidents and emergencies are attending accident and emergency units. They do so for a variety of reasons, some of which are very serious but which do not require attendance at such units. Patients who have been seen by their family doctors, who have taken a decision that those patients require admission to hospital, should not have to wait in accident and emergency units because there are no beds available in the relevant surgical or medical wards.

Some hospitals have acute assessment units and these have proved to be extremely useful. The Minister's decision to provide three acute medical assessment units in three Dublin hospitals, namely St. Vincent's, Beaumont and Tallaght, is very positive and should have a beneficial effect on the easing of the crisis in the accident and emergency units in these hospitals. The hospitals have been among the worst affected by the crisis.

The provision of extra step-down beds for patients who no longer need acute hospital care but still need some care before going home and the contracting of long-term nursing care beds for those who need higher level care than that available at home but do not need the level of care available in an acute hospital will have the effect of increasing the number of beds available for patients who need to be admitted to hospital after attending accident and emergency departments. This will have a very obvious beneficial effect in that it will reduce the number of people forced to spend time lying on trolleys in accident and emergency units while awaiting admission.

Time does not permit me to refer to the other aspects of the ten-point plan, but I must state that the implementation of the action in question will finally deal with this unacceptable issue. Will the Minister consider one further recommendation which I believe will also help? There is no doubt that some who attend accident and emergency units do so inappropriately. A nationwide publicity campaign to inform the public on the purpose of accident and emergency units would help to relieve some of the current overcrowding. In recent years, such a campaign has been running in the United Kingdom. I have been told that this campaign has helped patients to obtain quick access to the most appropriate care within the NHS. I commend the amendment to the House.

I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak on this motion. I support the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children in her current endeavours to reform our health service. I had the pleasure of accompanying her as she visited University College Hospital, Galway, this week. There she met management and staff and saw the facilities at first hand. On the day of her visit, there were 14 patients waiting on trolleys. To me, as a local public representative, that is unacceptable. It is unacceptable to the Minister and she is determined to ensure the service is improved and that this country enjoys a health service to which we can all gain access and of which we can be proud.

The considerable goodwill of the public and the acceptance of the challenges that the Minister faces were very evident during her visit to the hospital. People know that she is not the reason they are waiting in accident and emergency units. She is not responsible for patients being left on trolleys and they trust her when she says that reform will result in improvements and make a real difference to patients. They accept that she cannot do it over night. However, if there is any politician in Leinster House capable of really delivering, it is she. Her success, the pace of reform and the number of improvements will depend on the level of cooperation she manages to secure from politicians, consultants, all health care workers and the private sector.

The privately run Galway Clinic, which is in my constituency of Galway West, announced yesterday that it is to open the country's first private accident and emergency clinic in February. This is a ground-breaking development and should be welcomed warmly. It is the sort of initiative from the private sector that needs to be replicated right across the country. The State cannot shoulder the whole burden of the health service and there is room for the private sector to come on board.

The accident and emergency facility at the Galway Clinic will operate on a limited basis initially, with patients being referred by their GPs. However, it is hoped to expand the service to a 24-hour walk-in service as quickly as possible, with new staff being employed locally and from abroad. This initiative will remove pressure from the accident and emergency facilities at other hospitals in Galway.

The Galway Clinic also provides other vital services for public patients in the Galway region. Before Christmas, after a series of negotiations with the Western Health Board, the clinic made arrangements to treat cancer patients in the west until such time as the new radiotherapy unit is up and running in University College Hospital, Galway.

Many areas of the health service need reform. A very positive step was the abolition of the health boards and the establishment of the Health Service Executive. Other areas now need to be tackled, particularly accident and emergency services, because accident and emergency units represent many people's first and only contact with the health service and form their impression of the state of that service.

It is true that more than 70% of people who seek treatment at accident and emergency units do not require admission. Clearly, if we can encourage more of these people to visit their GP before attending accident and emergency units, we will be part of the way towards providing a solution to the problems associated with accident and emergency services. The Minister has identified improving access to GP care as a priority and that is why her announcement of 200,000 GP only cards and an additional 30,000 medical cards represents a sane and sensible response.

Traditional approaches to solving problems in our health service have been tried and failed. They have been failing since the 1970s while the cost to the Exchequer has continued to rise. The Minister, true to her style, is taking a different approach. Why continue to make the mistakes of the past? The GP only cards will encourage thousands of families throughout the country to visit their GPs instead of their local accident and emergency units when seeking treatment. They will relieve pressure on our overcrowded accident and emergency units.

Another such move contained in the Minister's ten-point action plan is the development and expansion of minor injury units, chest pain clinics and respiratory clinics in hospitals to relieve pressure on accident and emergency departments. Such units will offer treatment to patients requiring more than standard primary care from their GP, but not emergencies in the true sense. For years, we have been encouraging people to keep accident and emergency units free for real emergencies. The Minister is now putting in place real structures to ensure patients will have real alternatives to accident and emergency services.

The Minister is also increasing out-of-hours GP services to keep people's need to attend accident and emergency departments to a minimum. In doing so, she will need the cooperation and assistance of GPs on the ground. If a person has no access to a GP in the evening or at weekends, he or she has little option but to visit accident and emergency units.

I pledge my full support to the Minister in her endeavours to improve the health care system. The vast majority of people were very pleased late last year to hear that Deputy Harney was the new Minister for Health and Children. They recognise her as a woman of action and as a committed and caring politician. A few days after her appointment, she described the overcrowding in our accident and emergency departments as unacceptable and said conditions would improve. She has brought forward a ten-point action plan and has secured additional revenue, which will be spent wisely and make a real difference and not disappear into a black void, as happened in the past. She is working to improve the health service. It will improve, and patients will very soon begin to see the real changes.

I recognise that the problem associated with accident and emergency services is nationwide but, like Deputy O'Connor, I will be very parochial in my response to it. I will outline the position on the accident and emergency department and bed capacity at Letterkenny General Hospital. It is important to state that these two issues are related but require different solutions. The very small accident and emergency department is expected to deal with approximately 30,000 attendees per year. There are only six bays which is inadequate to deal with that number of attendees. A proposal was submitted to the Department of Health and Children in mid-October 2004 for the provision of a much enlarged emergency department with an associated medical assessment unit.

Of the 30,000 who attend the hospital per year approximately 8,000 are general practitioner referrals. Over 90% of these patients are referred for admission to inpatient beds. It is necessary to assess them in a single area which is large enough to hold them during the initial assessment period of four to five hours, with all the appropriate diagnostic facilities to hand, such as x-ray equipment, laboratory services and other items. Then, most of these 8,000, and some of the remaining 22,000 patients must be admitted to inpatient beds. This is the capacity problem in Letterkenny General Hospital.

Given the huge number of patients the hospital assesses or admits to inpatient beds it frequently has to cancel elective inpatient and day case surgery. The hospital is reaching the point of dysfunctionality and medical admissions, such as the 8,000 referred patients, disrupt two other service areas through no fault of their own. The hospital has cancelled many admissions in recent months, and approximately two weeks ago over 100 day case admissions and more than 20 serious inpatient cases, scheduled for elective surgery, were cancelled in one week. This causes grave anxiety and disruption for people trying to access the hospital for elective procedures.

Two nights ago a family friend was rushed into Letterkenny General Hospital with a brain haemorrhage. Shortly afterwards he was put into an ambulance to be rushed to Beaumont Hospital in Dublin. The ambulance was about to leave when word came that there were no vacant beds in Dublin and he would have to wait until one became available. Thankfully, the patient was brought to Beaumont Hospital yesterday.

This is a nationwide problem and needs urgent attention. The Tánaiste has no significant political interest in Donegal as her party has no representation there but she should deal urgently with the problems at Letterkenny General Hospital. The hospital has submitted a proposal to the Department of Health and Children for an additional two floors to be built over the new emergency department. These would enable the hospital to provide an extra 70 beds which would significantly address the capacity issue which in turn causes the problems I have already described.

I trust I have given a sense of the twin issues to be addressed, namely, the need for an enlarged emergency department in which to assess the 30,000 patients who attend Letterkenny General Hospital, and for enough beds to accommodate those patients who need admission to inpatient care. I look forward to seeing these issues addressed.

I welcome this motion. That the Health and Safety Authority has had to step into the breach and seek a full inspection of accident and emergency services is the greatest expression of Government failure to tackle the crisis in our health services. The Minister for Health and Children puts on a brave face and welcomes this move when she should be hanging her head in shame. She talks about €23 billion being spent on the health service in 2004-05 as if someone else were responsible for the mess.

The issue is the small return from that money. Why is it that, far from getting better services for acutely ill and emergency cases, the service is getting worse to the point that people are being put at risk merely by being within a hospital? The Minister has given commitments to patients that accident and emergency departments will at least be clean. Patients Together sent me an email today following the Minister's remarks yesterday:

In light of the ongoing A&E crisis, yesterday ‘Patients Together' called to A&E to meet with a family. The first thing we noticed on our arrival was blood-splattered steps. In passing a comment to another member of Patients Together a very embarrassed young woman had overheard and told us it was actually her brother's blood which he had coughed up. This woman proceeded to tell us her brother had TB and had been a patient in Peamount for over a year. This woman also told us she herself had just been checked for TB. The patient at this stage had also already been there two hours. This also means the blood was there for two hours.

We visited with the Minister 11 weeks ago and the only definite assurance we came away from that meeting with, was her promise to implement a 24-7 hygiene programme. On our last visit we found a used syringe on the ground at the public entrance.

Patients Together taped the Minister, with her permission, at a meeting where she said:

... on the house keeping side. All hospitals have contract cleaners and are paying top dollar to them, there are no excuses for hospitals having hygiene problems, we live in a country that is pretty prosperous, so there are no excuses for the lack of cleanliness.

Almost three months later the Minister continues to only talk the talk. The ten-point plan that she repeated last night in this debate was announced over two months ago. While a global figure is attached to it, there is no breakdown of how the funding is to be allocated. Each point requires money. The first relates to new minor injury units, chest pain clinics and respiratory clinics but no progress appears to have been made on these since mid-November. It is interesting that the Minister failed to tell us about any progress.

The second point is the provision of an MRI scanner for Beaumont hospital but the Minister does not say that there were two scanners there, one fixed and one mobile. The mobile one was taken out because it was deemed to be too expensive. Now, presumably, Beaumont is getting this scanner back. While this is good for patients it is hardly breaking new ground in dealing with the accident and emergency crisis.

She also said that acute medical units are being promoted but they will take up to 12 months or longer to get staff and equipment in place. Although there is spare capacity in the private nursing home sector, to which inappropriately placed patients could be moved to free up acute beds, there has been no change in that regard. Nothing has actually changed even though much could have been done as far back as November.

Many patients in private nursing home beds, who receive health board subventions, forfeit their entire pension because of the increased cost and the ceiling on subventions. In some cases the charges are rising and the patients are in serious difficulties. They do not even have the cushion of €30 per week pocket money which characterised the experience of public nursing home patients and which is now the subject of a Supreme Court action.

This group of patients is being pauperised because it has no safeguard. As there are no longer contract beds, and because of the Minister's policy, this group will continue to grow. Some protection must be provided for these people.

The Minister refers to home care packages. People with disabilities, or coming out of hospital, experience severe difficulty, for example in getting a shower fitted, due to cutbacks in the home-help services and the disabled persons' grants. In one case, Lidl has built a supermarket in a shorter space of time than it has taken to complete a shower room for a severely disabled woman in the same town.

The Minister talks about out-of-hours general practitioner services yet she has allocated only a pittance to the primary care strategy. This strategy has become a joke among medical professionals who regard it as another broken promise from a discredited Government.

The Minister does not even understand what is happening to general practitioner services. General practitioners are already scarce and will quickly become more so. The fact is that 1.9 million cases go to the acute services in a year yet 16 million are treated at primary care level. Primary care is the key to sorting out the accident and emergency crisis, yet there has been a very small increase in trainee places and no effort has been made in realistic terms to deal with the issues around undergraduates training for general practice. We are one of the richest countries in the world but we have one of the most incompetent Governments in the world when it comes to health care.

Fianna Fáil and the PDs are the parties which gave wealthy over 70 year olds a medical card and paid GPs four times more for caring for these wealthy patients than they are paid for caring for their poor patients. The Government squandered millions in this cynical bid to win votes and both Government parties are responsible for that. These are the parties that promised to deliver 200,000 medical cards and then removed approximately 200,000 medical cards from people on low incomes. The Minister for Health and Children promised yellow pack cards to provide cheap GP care last November but to date all these unfortunate people have seen is a massive increase of €10 in the cost of a visit to an accident and emergency department. Not one of the yellow pack cards has materialised. We are still awaiting legislation in this regard, but with effect from 1 January accident and emergency department charges rocketed.

The PDs and Fianna Fáil have presided over the worst level of crisis in accident and emergency services ever experienced. For the first time relatives of patients waiting for treatment at the Mater Hospital went so far as to stage a public demonstration to highlight the appalling plight of their loved ones. They spoke to the media and their stories were litanies of pain and suffering. The organisation Patients Together grew out of those outpourings. Its members eventually met the Minister, Deputy Harney, on 5 November. They raised issues about cleanliness. Their statement reads:

We demand today a target time of a maximum four hours for any trolley stay and insist that this be less for those left in chairs.

We have found from our experience that hygiene and safety standards are being compromised and request that an independent health and safety audit be immediately carried out in all our A&E departments around the country and its findings be made public.

Could [the Minister] please take the time to visit the ... Mater Hospital.

They requested that she meet people in the A&E department, and pointed out that:

At present when a family member is left lying for days in A&E it takes a horrendous toll on all family members, as most must do a 24 hour vigil resulting in vomiting bugs, work commitments suffering [as well as] ... children and basic home life disrupted...

We question what would happen today if we suffered a major disaster when our A&E departments are already working to full capacity.

Accident and emergency is by its very nature an emergency and needs immediate attention.

We feel that [this is an important point that we should remember] the privacy and dignity of patients in A&E is being violated.

At that point when those patients and their families spoke to the Minister, Deputy Harney, she could and should have responded to the request for a health and safety audit. She chose silence instead. Only now that she has been forced into supporting the Health and Safety Authority's requirement is she welcoming this development.

One development, to which she has not referred, is the deferral of planned surgery which is inevitable when there is pressure on accident and emergency services and which was the subject of discussion of LRC meetings on the crisis. The Minister praised the national treatment purchase fund but did not mention the angrywords said by one consultant in emergency medicine:

What I think is completely obscene is public hospitals have set aside beds for NTPF work. So you can have varicose veins, be on a waiting list for six months and one day you ring up the NTPF and they'll roll out the carpet for you to go to a public hospital and have your job done essentially as a private patient but at the same time you've got an 85 year old lady with pneumonia from Coolock who has worked hard all her life, paid her taxes and she's left on a trolley in the middle of an overcrowded emergency department for three days.

The health service responds when the money follows the patient and often regardless of need. That is the simple fact the Minister needs to learn. This fact is creating a negative impact on the accident and emergency crisis, as Dr. Gleeson stated. It is also evident in the high level of disregard of the 20% limit on private beds in public hospitals across the country. There are many public hospitals treating well over that ratio, some have well over 30% and some have even 40% patients for elective surgery and day care.

It is interesting to note from the recent blunderbuss approach to imposing fines on certain hospitals while rewarding others that no account is given to rewarding hospitals that stayed within the 20% limit and thereby cared for the patients who tend to be more in need such as an 85 year old lady from Coolock to whom Dr. Gleeson referred. The South Infirmary Hospital in Cork had 38% private patients, yet it received a whopping €517,000 reward while a hospital like St. Mary's Orthopaedic Hospital which stayed well below the limit and treated only 6% private patients was penalised by losing a massive €388,000. James Connolly Memorial Hospital and St. Colmcille's Hospital in Loughlinstown were hammered with the loss of €1.3 million and €1 million, respectively. These hospitals are far removed from having the requested percentage of private patients, comply with regulations and meet the greatest need, but that is clearly a bad policy for a hospital to pursue if it wants to keep afloat. The Minister for Health and Children loves the idea of private health care, but what is happening is plainly wrong and is making the situation in accident and emergency services even worse.

Reading the Minister, Deputy Harney's, approach to the health service and her over-reliance on and naive expectations of the private sector to deliver her from the crisis is dismaying. I ask her to consider clearly what she is doing when she sets about relying on the private sector to deliver in terms of protecting her from the rage of the electorate when it comes to the health service. If she continues to promote this idea of over-reliance on the private sector she will deepen inequality, increase costs, decrease the value for money secured and ensure that the public sector is not able to provide in an effective and efficient way the services needed by the people.

The Labour Party has argued for a long time that what we need is care based on need not on ability to pay. We know the system responds when people are insured because I am sure we have all experienced that. The vast majority of Members are covered by health insurance. It comes down to the issue of money following the patient. What we want to ensure and what needs to happen is that each patient must have the protection of insurance so that the system will respond appropriately and be rewarded appropriately for doing so. Currently, acute hospitals are penalised if they care for too many public patients while they are rewarded for caring for private patients. That does not lead to any efficiency; that approach is grossly inefficient. Often the person who has health insurance and is receiving care is far less ill than, as Dr. Gleeson pointed out, a woman with pneumonia from Coolock. If we want to target need and ensure the system is efficient, we must have a different basis on which people access care, namely, equality and ensuring there is universal cover regardless of income.

The Minister, in her approach, is deepening inequality. She is making the risks between private and public health care more acute. As a result of that, she is doing a grave disservice to elderly, sick people who are currently, as has been repeated in this debate, lying on trolleys in hospitals in Beaumont, Letterkenny, Wexford, St. Colmcille's Hospital in Loughlinstown, the Mater, Tallaght and St. James's. These are issues that need to be addressed by a clear policy based on ensuring the service is genuinely patient centred. Everybody uses the term "patient centred" as if its mere use will produce the magic that will deliver good quality care. If we are to have a genuine patient-centred service, the relationship between the patient and the service must be changed with regard to public patients to ensure the money follows them when they come into the system. It must be an integrated service and, most important, it must be delivered at the appropriate level. Far too many people end up in hospital who would not need to be there if they could get care at an earlier stage. Primary care is the key but the Government has turned off the tap in regard to it.

I am carrying out a survey which seeks to find from the various boards of the Health Service Executive how many front-line services have vacancies aside from administration vacancies. The results are startling. For example, in one of the smallest health board areas, that of the Mid-Western Health Board, there are 50 vacancies in the key areas of psychology, speech therapy, occupational therapy and the range that provides services at local level, so that patients can be cared for at home rather than in hospital.

We know that the numbers of general practitioners will not grow to meet demand, a matter which must be addressed. We would have been heartened if the Minister had yesterday talked of providing for more doctors and increasing the number of places in our medical schools for EU citizens and, in particular, Irish people. If this is not done now, the problems will be exacerbated in the future because it takes years to produce a doctor. In particular, the Minister needs to concentrate on the position in regard to GPs because they will not be there. She can lambast them and talk about out of hours services not being available but doctors will not be there unless she ensures this issue is addressed.

Most people would prefer not to end up in hospital in any case. Community spirit is strong and families are good at looking after their relatives. This was highlighted when Patients Together was formed because its members felt so strongly about their individual family members. Our community has that strength and it contains experts in terms of community services and general practice. However, if we do not invest in this area, we will end up investing more money at the wrong level, namely, the secondary level.

Since 2000, there has been a 7% increase in population but only a 2% increase in inpatient activity. This must tell us something. It is a real indicator that we have not been able to ensure that additional investment is delivering a service. We need more beds but we also need to ensure they are not inappropriately occupied. Most of all, we need to ensure that, at primary care level, there is a consciousness of the importance of delivering services at local level, within the family context as far as possible, to ensure that people are cared for well when they need it, rather than ending up on trolleys or, worse, on a chair without a pillow in an accident and emergency department.

I wish to share time with Deputies Gogarty and Boyle.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

The Government amendment to this motion is an insult. It does not address any of the specific issues raised in the motion, for which I congratulate the Technical Group. The Government has failed to address the serious safety issues raised by the Health and Safety Authority. As the motion states, the Health and Safety Authority has called for an urgent safety inspection of all accident and emergency units. That is a damning indictment of the management of the health services by the Government.

The Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children did not address these safety issues in her contribution. However, the Minister stated: "People will judge our health services by accident and emergency services." I have news for the Minister — they have already made that judgment on the basis of nearly eight years of this Government. One would think to listen to the Tánaiste that the Government was only elected last October following the reshuffle and that the two previous Ministers for Health and Children were not members of the Government. What happened to collective Cabinet responsibility for health between 1997 and 2004?

The Government published a health strategy in 2001. Much of it remains on the shelf unimplemented. A cornerstone of that strategy is supposed to be primary care — improving GP services and establishing GP co-ops, out of hours services and primary care centres. These primary care services are not being delivered and, as a result, people still go to accident and emergency units with ailments that should and could be dealt with by local GPs or health centres.

Why are so many still going to accident and emergency units in this way? It is because many who do not qualify for the medical card because their income is above the threshold cannot afford the high GP fees being charged. All this increases the pressure on accident and emergency units.

Anyone who believes the current Minister and her party will bring equality to our health services is living in cloud cuckoo land. An ESRI study has shown that the richest fifth of the population in the State has the highest access to hospital specialists. News of the opening of the first private accident and emergency unit in Galway has been welcomed. However, I do not welcome a situation where public accident and emergency units are in crisis while people are facilitated to make massive profits from private health facilities with privileged access for wealthy people.

The Minister will tell us that the State can now buy services for public patients in private facilities. However, everyone knows that the State will end up paying over the odds for these services in order to make profits for the private owners. This will only reinforce the obscene two-tier system where wealth buys health in this State.

Last year I asked the Minister for Health and Children about the numbers left on trolleys at Tallaght Hospital during the last Dáil session and the length of time before these patients accessed wards in the hospital. The question was referred to the Eastern Regional Health Authority but the figures I received from the authority contradict the figures in the media at the time, as well as contradicting figures I recently received from the Irish Nurses Organisation. There is a difficulty in that the ERHA states its figures are accurate while other outside interests and interests within the hospitals state that there seems to be a problem with the figures.

For example, on 1 October 2004 some 13 patients were on trolleys at Tallaght Hospital. The previous day the figure was 23, 33 the day before that and 39 and 32 on the previous two days. However, I was told by the ERHA that only 14 people were on trolleys at the end of that week. The previous week, that ending 29 September 2004, some daily figures for patients on trolleys were 23, 36, 46 and 51. However, the ERHA figure for the end of that week was 26. For the week ending 17 September 2004, some of the daily figures were 29, 27, 25 and 35 on 13 September. However, the figure from the ERHA is for 12 patients on trolleys at the end of that week. The figures do not add up.

I visited a number of patients, including my brother in law, in Tallaght Hospital last week. Everyone I spoke to there had a story to tell about the situation in the accident and emergency unit. They had nothing but praise for the hospital staff — doctors, nurses and so on. However, from talking to people in the wards, I got a sense of what was happening in the hospital that week. I met one man who had a heart problem, although he was in the hospital for another complaint. He spoke about the difficulties he encountered: it took him days before he got a trolley. In addition, he had left home without his heart medication. He was supposed to be treated in the hospital for another complaint but no heart medication was provided for him during his period in A&E. He eventually received the heart medication but when he was transferred to a bed, the medication was somehow lost within the system. I wonder how many people have had that experience.

If a person is on medication, because of the bedlam in the hospital, no one seems to be checking that every patient has their required medication. That appears to be an additional difficulty within the hospital system.

We talk about the indignity of lying on trolleys but I came across another man who had a serious bowel complaint. In many instances the public toilet facilities were not available so he had the constant worry of whether he would make it to the toilet in time.

There was a woman there whom I know very well. She has a problem with her kidneys, has lost a leg and is blind in one eye. She had a problem getting off the trolley to try to get to the toilet. Patients were helping other patients in such circumstances. The nurses brought her nearer to the nursing station but the problem was that because they were so busy the woman was occasionally left unattended. That indignity added to the worry and trauma she and her family experienced.

I came across another patient and for some reason her husband was administering her medication, as were the hospital staff. While she was in the hospital, she complained of suffering from a constant headache but it was probably due to the fact that she was being over-medicated. Such cases demonstrate the difficulties that are occurring in Tallaght Hospital.

One woman there vomited into a cardboard carton which was left there until the next day. No one cleaned it up.

During this period a number of elderly people were there, along with younger people who came in with drug addiction problems. At one stage there was an elderly person at one end of the A&E unit and three people who were clearly on drugs. The situation was chaotic to say the least and bad language was being used. In such instances elderly people are left in a situation which deprives them of their dignity.

Another woman in the hospital was extremely upset because she could not receive holy communion. Apparently those attending A&E cannot receive that sacrament, which is a problem. I realise that matter cannot be sorted out by the Minister of State but it is an additional difficulty encountered by people who are left in A&E units. It adds to the worry and trauma they experience.

The majority of people in Tallaght Hospital have nothing but praise for its services but the system is collapsing around them. There is clearly a need for greater investment. There is also a problem with regard to the lack of beds. Those responsible for the situation in the hospital, that is, the chief executive officer, the hospital authorities, the health board and the Department, are not working off the proper figures. How can the problem there be solved? People are saying that difficulties arise because we are into the winter period and matters will get worse before they get better.

The Minister may say that the Government will be judged on what is happening in A&E units but clearly the situation is deteriorating. Whatever measures the Minister seems to have initiated do not seem to be reflected in what is occurring on the ground.

Callers to a recent edition of the Joe Duffy radio programme referred to a lack of pillows in hospitals. Millions of euro have been spent on the health service, yet a hospital can still run out of pillows. Another difficulty concerned patients' need for water. Clearly, if people are walking up and down, there is nowhere to put a jug of water. Another simple problem is that there is nowhere for patients to put their valuables. In one case, during that week, someone's valuables went missing.

People are going into hospital sick, yet we are adding to their indignity. In most of the cases I came across, people were referred to the hospital by their GP. They were not trying to avoid going to their local doctor. The last place they wanted to go to was the hospital but their experiences there were extremely bad. I have nothing but praise for the hospital staff, including doctors, but the system is crumbling around them.

This motion is positive and I do not think the Government's amendment addresses the problems to which I have referred. Hopefully, however, we will begin to see some changes in the system. The cases I have cited constitute one example of my experience of one hospital but I am sure those difficulties are being replicated around the country.

I welcome this motion and I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on it. Yesterday, my colleague, Deputy Gormley, highlighted the Green Party's position. I am not the party's spokesperson for health but I wish to comment particularly about my constituency, given that the Tánaiste and new Minister for Health and Children represents the same constituency.

I have long argued that the treatment purchase fund will be a waste of money in the long term. It would be much better to improve our own health care service. The motion calls for immediate action to address the ongoing, continuous crisis in hospital accident and emergency units. If one is trying to save money, one does not farm it out to Germany, the North or other countries. The way to do it is to think outside the box and use a bit of cop-on.

I was playing football last night.

That could be a great exaggeration.

He played very well.

I did not get too many injuries, thank God. My excuse was that they had Packie Bonner in goal and that is why we lost. Deputy Eamon Ryan got a bit of a knock. It reminds me of a football analogy concerning the health service. A couple of years ago, someone's stud went into my toe and a bruise developed. Of course, being a man, I left the injury untreated for a couple of days by which time it had become swollen. Eventually, I decided it was time to attend St. James's Hospital. I went there at around 8 o'clock in the evening. At 5 o'clock the next morning the nurse came to have a look at my toe. She heated a paper-clip under a Bunsen burner and then put the red-hot paper-clip through my toenail. All the pus spewed out and the swelling went down. It is not rocket science, which is the point I am making. Why should that procedure have to be done in the accident and emergency unit of a major Dublin hospital? Why could it not be done by a GP on 24-hour call in a local community? There are plenty of opportunities for that sort of service.

The Green Party has long been calling for a three-tier health service with primary care receiving the major share of investment, where appropriate. An example would be in Lucan and Clondalkin, both of which are areas of large population. They should have their own 24-hour clinic. We have already seen newspaper articles reporting that some consultants are refusing to see people who are inebriated in A&E units. That is because such people are taking up valuable time for treating others with real health problems. Alcoholism is a major problem in our society, as is excessive drinking amongst all age groups, but there is a more appropriate place to deal with drink-related problems than in accident and emergency units.

If there was a 24-hour clinic with a doctor and nurse on call in densely populated areas, most of the problems currently facing A&E units could be dealt with at local level. People can be referred to hospital if necessary but there is no point in trying to crack a nut with a sledge-hammer — or, indeed, crack a toenail with a paper-clip — in an A&E unit. That is my message to the Tánaiste, although she is not in the Chamber. There are ways of saving money that do not entail diminishing the health service. What is needed is an appropriate level of service and care. St. Loman's Hospital in my constituency is located half-way between Lucan and Palmerstown and lands there were recently sold for more than €30 million. That some of the funding is going towards community care, in keeping with the ethos of St. Loman's Hospital, is welcome. However, it is not known where the rest of the money will go. I propose setting up a local 24-hour clinic in the vicinity to serve Lucan, Palmerstown and north Clondalkin. That would do more to reduce queues at Tallaght Hospital, St. James's Hospital and James Connolly Memorial Hospital than any amount of money thrown down the drain. The Government took approximately 3,000 beds out of the system and is talking about putting 3,000 beds back into the system. That could be a long way down the road. We need to examine creative ways of sorting out the problem immediately. An obvious way would be to have more respect for overseas doctors and nurses who come here.

Lucan is rapidly becoming the Nigerian capital of Ireland. I recently met a group of Nigerians who are setting up a branch of the largest Nigerian political party. Approximately half of the group who met in the Mansion House were nurses who work in the health care service. They were brought here because we did not have enough nurses. Until recently they had problems in that their partners were not allowed to work here. They are also having problems in getting their children in. They want their children to be educated and to spend time with their families. It is not an unreasonable request. However, barriers are created by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform at every opportunity. The same applies to a Pakistani couple I know. The husband is a doctor. The wife is a doctor who has been rearing children for a number of years and must do training to get back into the system. However, when they wanted to hire someone who could speak their native language to look after the children, it took much bureaucratic wrangling to get such a person into the country. We have also heard about the flight of Filipino nurses to other countries because of the way they have been treated here.

These situations need to be addressed. If they are not we will have no health care staff here, let alone a diminished but very hard-working crew. Part of the reason for that is that Irish nurses, who for many years went to Australia, the Far East or the Middle East for a year, are staying in those places for a number of years and some are not coming back here but are going to England to work. The reason is that pay and conditions for nursing staff here are not sufficient. Rather than forking out money to pay for staff from other countries, we might be better off using it to pay Irish staff to stay in Ireland. That is something the Minister could also consider.

I have another example of cost efficiency within the health care service which, again, relates to football, in this case a charity game in Navan. A colleague of mine from the Lucan area broke his leg while playing in a match. He was brought to Navan Hospital where he was X-rayed and was told that for a proper X-ray he would have to go to Drogheda hospital. This needs to be investigated and if no one else will raise it, I will. The software for the communications system within the health care service is seriously flawed. Otherwise the man's details could have been taken and forwarded them to Tallaght Hospital. I will not name names, but it was fortunate that the person in question knew someone in Tallaght Hospital who knew of a cancellation and was able to get him transferred for the X-ray and operation in Tallaght Hospital. Otherwise he would not have had to travel to Drogheda for ongoing treatment.

The motion which has been tabled requested that the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children take immediate action to address problems in the accident and emergency units of our hospitals.

It should be clear by now that the Minister has put accident and emergency services at the top of her agenda. As has previously been mentioned, the Minister has, in cooperation with the Minister for Finance, provided targeted funding to address the most pressing accident and emergency issues in a targeted and systematic way. The Minister has acknowledged that it will take some months for the measures to be fully implemented but nevertheless actions have already been put in train to achieve a measurable effect in improving the patient's experience and the conditions of staff working in accident and emergency departments.

The recent surge in attendance at accident and emergency departments is attributable, in part, to the high number of patients presenting with circulatory, respiratory and viral conditions especially amongst the elderly population, and seasonal winter pressures. However, these abnormal patterns will not deflect us from dealing with accident and emergency problems.

The issues relating to accident and emergency demand a whole-system approach. In this regard the advent of the Health Service Executive as a unitary health services management organisation will ensure that a coherent and consistent approach is developed in relation to accident and emergency services.

It is most important that accident and emergency services are not used as a political football or as a means to promote particular interests. The Government is committed to both improving the public's experience of accident and emergency departments and also improving staff morale in these departments. It is extremely important that highly qualified and specialised staff continue to be attracted and retained in this most important front-line hospital area.

Accident and emergency services present a particular challenge to individual hospital management. In many instances, accident and emergency is the only area in which the wider public experience hospital services. As such hospital management must regard accident and emergency departments as the "shop window" for the services which hospitals provide. Essentially a much more customer-oriented approach must be adopted by hospital management, consultants, nursing and other professional and support staff. In this regard, I am sure the Health and Safety Authority review will provide a valuable opportunity for hospitals to review their operational policies to ensure that they are effective and safe from both patient and staff perspectives. This review may well point to the need for additional improvements in services for those who attend at accident and emergency departments, thus building on action which has already been taken.

Management of accident and emergency services requires active management of patient flows. It is quite clear that much more innovative and alternative pathways are needed to ensure that only those patients who should be in accident and emergency departments actually end up there. Proper management of accident and emergency services demands an integrated approach across hospital services and beyond. In this regard, particular initiatives are required in relation to general practitioner services and meeting the medical needs of the elderly.

Before Christmas I had the pleasure of visiting Kilkenny Hospital where I was very impressed with its wonderful approach to dealing with this issue. It has been very successful in targeting services and implementing new ideas and dealing with issues in a very common-sense way with everyone in the hospital involved. The question of morale was mentioned earlier. I would say there is not a hospital with better morale than Kilkenny Hospital. Other hospitals might follow the lead Kilkenny Hospital has given in this regard.

In the context of my particular responsibilities for services for older people I would add that our policy on older people is to maintain them in dignity and independence at home in accordance with their wishes, and to provide a high quality of hospital and residential care for them when they can no longer be maintained in dignity and independence at home.

My Department has been encouraging health agencies to introduce personal care packages and home subvention for older people as an alternative to long-stay residential care. Personal care packages are specifically tailored to meet the individual's needs and could include the provision of a home help service, home subvention payments, arrangements for attendance at a day centre or day hospital and other services such as twilight nursing and occupational therapy.

In addition, a range of service initiatives have been supported in the current year. These include the nursing home subvention scheme, home care grant scheme, home help service, elder abuse programme and support to voluntary organisations.

I am confident that the actions being taken by the Minister, including the provision of new beds, will over time generate an appropriate, multifaceted and multidimensional response to the accident and emergency problem.

At times accident and emergency departments and football matches go hand in hand. I formally congratulate the press on its victory. It had a total of 53 players on its panel. It is a panel of 14 hard triers.

I wish to share time with Deputies Harkin and Finian McGrath.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

The crisis appears to be an ongoing saga. Depending on the day of week, there may be between 200 and 400 people on hospital trolleys. Given that most of these hospitals are designed to cater for approximately four people in cubicles, this gives one some idea of the crisis. In the past this was a winter crisis or a Monday morning phenomenon and the position would be sorted out within a given period.

During the past 15 years the population has increased by 25% and our response as a nation has been to reduce bed capacity by 25%. It is obvious there will be major difficulties. If people cannot get beds they will create problems in accident and emergency departments. Our response in the Cavan-Monaghan area has been to run advertisements on the Shannonside-Northern Sound Radio asking people not to go to accident and emergency departments. Many people in the country will sit there with a pain in their chest and hope the pain will go away because they have been told on radio not to go to the accident and emergency department. We all know the best medical outcome occurs following the earliest possible intervention. These problems will not go away. There will be illness and death and we have to learn how to sort out the accident and emergency problem.

We have had a number of initiatives in the past such as strikes. We have had promises of 2,000 extra beds and a ten-point plan to address the accident and emergency crisis. It is a crisis that will be sorted out over a period of years and I doubt if the ten-point plan as announced will do anything to relieve the position.

More recently, we have had an act of desperation. The consultants in accident and emergency departments invited the Health and Safety Authority to address issues in accident and emergency departments. If one has to ask an outside statutory body to sort out accident and emergency difficulties one is at the end of the line. It is a cry for help. Any member of the public can call in the Health and Safety Authority and it can look in every nook and cranny in the accident and emergency department, but how much expertise can it bring in? The Health and Safety Authority can issue a seven day improvement notice and come back after the expiration of those seven days to see whether the position has improved. I doubt if it will have improved in most cases. If the position has not been addressed or improved it can issue a notice to close the accident and emergency department. That will cure the problem but it will go elsewhere. This is not the way forward.

The Health and Safety Authority will say every employer should have a safe place of work and safe work practices and systems. I wonder whether this can happen or if the Health and Safety Authority will improve the position. I would like the Health and Safety Authority to involve itself in the MRSA difficulties and ask for the appointment of somebody to be responsible for the control of MRSA in hospitals. Perhaps the Health and Safety Authority can point the way forward to deal with the crisis in accident and emergency departments.

Another problem is inter-personal difficulties. Consultants in accident and emergency departments have had a falling out with the unions on how to improve the position. Staff are falling out with staff. That does not create the best type of work environment. A key element of the problem is that staff are not pulling together and working as a team. That is an issue that should be looked at. Other countries have had this type of crisis, including England which suffered a similar crisis. We must look at what was done there. In 2000 the target was to treat 90% of people in a four hour period; now it treats 96% of people in the four hour period following their arrival at accident and emergency departments.

I am pleased to make two brief points on the motion sponsored by the Independents. The motion outlines the numbers on trolleys in some Dublin hospitals, which are scandalous, but this is not confined to Dublin. In Sligo General Hospital, my local hospital, there is a serious problem. Last week there were approximately 20 people without beds in the accident and emergency department and in the day service unit and the hospital had to cancel admission for a few days. While the situation is not so acute this week, there were four people without beds on Tuesday and Wednesday and three last night. These figures may not be as headline grabbing as those for some of the Dublin hospitals, but nonetheless there is a real problem.

Deputy Blaney outlined the position in Letterkenny General Hospital, the other major hospital in the old North Western Health Board area, where there are serious problems with bed capacity and the accident and emergency services are totally inadequate. Nobody should be lying on a trolley. It is unacceptable that those who are ill are left waiting for a bed. Whether the figure is four or 44 we are speaking of individuals, children, grandfathers and mothers. It is only when it happens to a family member that we fully realise this is totally unacceptable. The Minister has been in office for just over 100 days and prior to that the then Ministers for Health and Children, Deputies Martin and Cowen, presided. Each year, especially during these months, the situation reaches crisis point.

Deputy Grealish told the House that people lying on trolleys do not consider the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Harney, responsible. I would like to know who is responsible. Is this a rudderless ship? The Government has the power to change the position and to make decisions and as an Opposition we must hold it accountable. If the Government and the Minister are not responsible, who is?

We were informed by the Minister of State, Deputy Tim O'Malley, that there will be a new vigour in the Government approach. This is long overdue and it is way past time. It is the business of Government to deal with these issues speedily and efficiently and this has not been done. This is the reason that we, as Independents, have tabled this motion. He also said it was unfair to dedicated medical and support staff. It is not unfair to highlight the problem — it is imperative that we do so. It is grossly unfair that medical staff have to work under such conditions and to endure such pressure. If the Minister and the Government value the work of the dedicated medical and support staff, for their sake and that of the patients they need to deal with the problems in accident and emergency departments.

Deputy Connolly referred to the fact that the population has increased by 25% during the past 20 years while the number of beds has decreased by 25%. It was a Fianna Fáil-led Government that eliminated the hospital beds and it has not replaced them. This is the core issue. The question is how to deal with it.

In Sligo General Hospital space is a problem. At present a multi-disciplinary committee is considering the provision of a medical assessment unit and a medical short stay unit. This is badly needed but it will require considerable capital investment. If the Government is serious about solving the accident and emergency problem in Sligo and surrounding areas it must commit to the investment needed and put that medical assessment unit in place to ease the intolerable burdens on the accident and emergency service in Sligo.

I wish to refer to a related issue — the availability of accident and emergency services within a reasonable distance for everybody in the country. I welcome the reinstatement of 24 hour emergency medical cover in Monaghan General Hospital, but why did it have to take a massive campaign to achieve it? Why did it take people to march outside Leinster House for days and weeks on end? Why did it take 10,000 people marching the streets of Ennis to force a U-turn on Government policy? Will it require constant agitation, constant vigilance, and can the people of west Clare rest easy in their beds knowing that if an emergency arises they can go to Ennis General Hospital for treatment? At the end of the day people will travel anywhere for elective surgery, whether heart surgery or hip replacement, and will even travel abroad. If a person's life is in danger he or she needs to get to hospital. Accident and emergency services must be upgraded immediately and must be available to all citizens.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on this Private Members' motion on the health issue and the disastrous situation in accident and emergency departments. I commend my colleagues, the Independent Members for working together and bringing this motion before the House. It sends out a clear message that we are listening to the people, the patients and the elderly. We are listening to the citizens of the State who are demanding action for the people on trolleys in hospitals. The Independent Members have been putting this issue before the House for more than two and a half years. The bottom line is that the Government has not delivered on the provision of beds and services. It has had the benefit of significant extra financial resources, yet nothing has happened.

The Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children has promised improvements in the accident and emergency departments by next autumn, but why should we believe her? The Government has been in power for eight years with massive extra resources and revenue. Eight years is surely sufficient time to put an extra 500 beds into the system and so resolve the issue. I note that many commentators appear to be afraid to examine the record of the former Minister, Deputy Martin, on this issue and that of the Minister of State, Deputy Callely, in respect of care of the elderly. The reality for people on trolleys is that successive Ministers, including Deputies Martin and Callely, have not delivered. People are sick and tired of all the spin while the sick are treated with contempt.

Statistics announced this week show that wealth per head of population in Ireland has overtaken that of the United States for the first time. Why then are patients still stuck on trolleys? It is simply not good enough. It is a disgrace after eight years in power and all that extra cash. It is bad leadership and bad management of the health service. I receive daily complaints on this issue yet the Government announces that €30 million is expended on reports. It is more talk and waffle. People are sick and tired and are demanding action, not in six months or 12 months, but now. The Government's time is up. We want 500 beds now as a start and then the Minister can develop the other aspects of the health strategy.

I demand that the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Harney, support five new radical proposals put forward by the Independent Members. I want the Government to take immediate action to address the ongoing crisis in the accident and emergency units. I want the Minister to outline a timescale within which action will be taken, to immediately address the growing sense of frustration among staff in accident and emergency units, make urgent provision for sufficient new beds to end the crisis and assist the hospitals in meeting all their needs arising from the safety risk assessment audit as required by the Health and Safety Authority. I call on the Minister to implement these sensible proposals so that patients may live and stay in hospital with dignity.

These issues must be dealt with and I urge the Tánaiste to act now. She has claimed to have a new policy and vision for the health service, people before paper, but I have seen no real evidence of this policy, particularly following eight years in power, €30 million spent on reports and extra resources and finances. The citizens cannot understand this situation. Eight years spent trying to resolve this problem is a disastrous record. I challenge the current Minister and the former Minister, Deputy Martin, and the Minister of State, Deputy Callely. The Minister, Deputy Martin, in particular has a very weak record on this issue. The Minister of State, Deputy Callely, has been inefficient and ineffective in dealing with the care of the elderly. These Ministers must take responsibility and accept that they did not deliver to patients, the elderly and those on trolleys. If the members of the Cabinet and health service management were in any other jobs, they would be sacked in the morning. Those of us who have always supported the public service have argued for effectiveness and professionalism.

I urge the Minister to take this issue seriously. I hope we must not wait another 100 days before action is taken. I will continue to keep the issue of health before this House and I hope the Government will start listening to the patients. I have always supported the campaigns by patients and their families for a better health service. People must be put before paper and the focus must remain on people and patients. It is not acceptable to have 400 patients on trolleys in accident and emergency departments while awaiting beds. I have a particular interest in the situation in my local hospital, Beaumont Hospital. This motion is in the interests of patients, the elderly and investment in and reform of the health service. I urge all Deputies to support the progressive policies of the Independent Members and to vote for this motion.

Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 62; Níl, 55.

  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, Barry.
  • Ardagh, Seán.
  • Blaney, Niall.
  • Brady, Johnny.
  • Brady, Martin.
  • Browne, John.
  • Callanan, Joe.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Carty, John.
  • Collins, Michael.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cregan, John.
  • Curran, John.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Dempsey, Tony.
  • Dennehy, John.
  • Devins, Jimmy.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Fahey, Frank.
  • Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Glennon, Jim.
  • Grealish, Noel.
  • Hanafin, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hoctor, Máire.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kelly, Peter.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kirk, Seamus.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lenihan, Conor.
  • McGuinness, John.
  • Moloney, John.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Mulcahy, Michael.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Ó Fearghail, Seán.
  • O’Connor, Charlie.
  • O’Dea, Willie.
  • O’Donnell, Liz.
  • O’Donoghue, John.
  • O’Donovan, Denis.
  • O’Flynn, Noel.
  • O’Keeffe, Batt.
  • O’Malley, Fiona.
  • O’Malley, Tim.
  • Power, Peter.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Wilkinson, Ollie.

Níl

  • Boyle, Dan.
  • Breen, James.
  • Broughan, Thomas P.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connolly, Paudge.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Cowley, Jerry.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Cuffe, Ciarán.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Ferris, Martin.
  • Fox, Mildred.
  • Gogarty, Paul.
  • Gormley, John.
  • Gregory, Tony.
  • Harkin, Marian.
  • Hayes, Tom.
  • Healy, Seamus.
  • Hogan, Phil.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Padraic.
  • McGrath, Finian.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McHugh, Paddy.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Olivia.
  • Morgan, Arthur.
  • Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.
  • Murphy, Gerard.
  • Neville, Dan.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • O’Dowd, Fergus.
  • O’Keeffe, Jim.
  • O’Shea, Brian.
  • O’Sullivan, Jan.
  • Pattison, Seamus.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, Eamon.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sargent, Trevor.
  • Sherlock, Joe.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Stanton, David.
  • Twomey, Liam.
  • Upton, Mary.
  • Wall, Jack.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Kitt and O’Connor; Níl, Deputies Gregory and Finian McGrath.
Amendment declared carried.
Question put: "That the motion, as amended, be agreed to".
The Dáil divided: Tá, 62; Níl, 53.

  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, Barry.
  • Ardagh, Seán.
  • Blaney, Niall.
  • Brady, Johnny.
  • Brady, Martin.
  • Browne, John.
  • Callanan, Joe.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Carty, John.
  • Collins, Michael.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cregan, John.
  • Curran, John.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Dempsey, Tony.
  • Dennehy, John.
  • Devins, Jimmy.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Fahey, Frank.
  • Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Glennon, Jim.
  • Grealish, Noel.
  • Hanafin, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hoctor, Máire.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kelly, Peter.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kirk, Seamus.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lenihan, Conor.
  • McGuinness, John.
  • Moloney, John.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Mulcahy, Michael.
  • Nolan, M.J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Ó Fearghail, Seán.
  • O’Connor, Charlie.
  • O’Dea, Willie.
  • O’Donnell, Liz.
  • O’Donoghue, John.
  • O’Donovan, Denis.
  • O’Flynn, Noel.
  • O’Keeffe, Batt.
  • O’Malley, Fiona.
  • O’Malley, Tim.
  • Power, Peter.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Wilkinson, Ollie.

Níl

  • Boyle, Dan.
  • Breen, James.
  • Broughan, Thomas P.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connolly, Paudge.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Cowley, Jerry.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Cuffe, Ciarán.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Ferris, Martin.
  • Fox, Mildred.
  • Gogarty, Paul.
  • Gormley, John.
  • Gregory, Tony.
  • Harkin, Marian.
  • Hayes, Tom.
  • Healy, Seamus.
  • Hogan, Phil.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Padraic.
  • McGrath, Finian.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McHugh, Paddy.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Olivia.
  • Morgan, Arthur.
  • Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.
  • Neville, Dan.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • O’Dowd, Fergus.
  • O’Keeffe, Jim.
  • O’Shea, Brian.
  • O’Sullivan, Jan.
  • Pattison, Seamus.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, Eamon.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sargent, Trevor.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Stanton, David.
  • Twomey, Liam.
  • Upton, Mary.
  • Wall, Jack.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Kitt and O’Connor; Níl, Deputies Gregory and Finian McGrath.
Question declared carried.
Barr
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