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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 9 Dec 2008

Vol. 670 No. 1

Recall of Irish Pork and Bacon Products: Statements.

I am glad to have the opportunity to make a comprehensive statement relating to the circumstances that led to the weekend's recall of all Irish pork and bacon products and the developments since then. The focus of my statement will primarily be on the role of my Department, while my colleague, the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy Mary Wallace, will focus principally on the public health issues and the involvement of the Department of Health and Children and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland. Like the Taoiseach, I compliment various Members on their contributions on the national airwaves over the weekend regarding this issue.

The incident, which resulted in the confirmed presence of dioxins in pork fat, first came to light on Friday, 28 November, when a routine sample of pork fat, taken as part of my Department's national residue monitoring programme was shown to be positive for the presence of non-dioxin-like marker PCBs. The Department moved swiftly in response to this test result to identify the source and scale of the contamination and to contain the incident. Additional samples of pork as well as samples of feed were analysed and the original pork fat sample was sent to the Central Science Laboratory in York for further analysis for the presence of dioxins.

Having determined that the source of the contamination was a feed ingredient, library feed samples were taken from the feed manufacture's facility and the farms to which the contaminated feed was sent were traced and placed under movement restriction. Since then, farm to farm movements from these farms have been traced and a number of additional farms have now been placed under restriction.

At 3.40 p.m. on Saturday, 6 September, the Central Science Laboratory in York confirmed the presence of dioxins in the pork fat samples and the decision was taken immediately that all Irish pork products from pigs slaughtered since 1 September should be recalled. The 1 September date was chosen on the basis of the evidence available to the Food Safety Authority of Ireland. In the first instance, an analysis of the dioxins demonstrated that the exposure of the pigs was recent and therefore 1 September was identified as a reasonable precautionary date. The analysis of the feed samples taken from the feed manufacturer for the presence of PCBs supported this position.

Significantly, following the publication by the Department of a press release on Thursday, 4 December confirming an investigation into the source of a contaminant in animal feed and the restriction of a number of farms, the Dutch authorities contacted the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland with regard to their own independent investigation into the presence of PCBs in pork fat samples, the origin of which they had been unable to determine, although Ireland was one of the countries from which product was sourced. These investigations indicated an increase in dioxin levels in mid-September, further strengthening the case for a 1 September date. It is important to stress that at no point was the Department responding to information provided from other member states and we were contacted only after we put information in the public domain.

The decision to have a full recall of pork and bacon was taken to reassure consumers that Irish pork and bacon products available on the market following the recall would be perfectly safe to consume. I am entirely satisfied this was the appropriate response to the confirmed presence of dioxins and I believe that it will provide the necessary reassurance to consumers as soon as Irish pork products reappear on shop shelves, which it is hoped will happen in the coming days.

The national control plan for Ireland, which is approved by the European Commission, covers all the controls in animal health and welfare, food safety and feeding stuffs controls. Under this plan, the Department operates the national residue monitoring programme and the national feed inspection programme. The national residue monitoring programme involves a risk-based sampling regime, where upwards of 30,000 samples are taken from animal tissues at farm and primary processing levels. These samples are tested for a broad range of residues including banned hormones, authorised medicines and a large number of contaminants. The feed inspection programme involves approximately 2,200 inspections per annum throughout the feed chain. The inspections cover a range of areas, including imports, mills, mineral mixture plants, retailers of animal feed as well as farms. The level of inspections carried out complies with and, in many cases, exceeds the requirements of EU legislation.

The premises from which the contaminated feed originated is one of 45 registered food business operators. Very few problems have been found in such premises previously and, as such, they are regarded as low-risk and subject to one or two inspections annually. The premises in question was inspected in 2006 and 2007 and was scheduled for an inspection in late November or December 2008, which had not yet taken place. Ireland's national residue monitoring and national feed inspection programmes are audited by the EU's Food and Veterinary Office and the most recent audit of the national feed inspection programme took place in May this year and the subsequent report reflected very favourably on Ireland's testing regime.

The Department's ongoing investigation into the source of the contamination has centred on a single food business operator and is being assisted by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Garda Síochána. The particular focus of the investigation relates to the type of fuel used in a burner which heats surplus food material for use as animal feed. This process is regarded as relatively simple. Preliminary test results on samples of the oil taken by the Department for analysis suggest that the operator may have been using an inappropriate kind of oil for this process. Further investigations are being undertaken by the EPA on the oil used.

In the meantime, the farms placed under restriction remain under restriction and no animals have been allowed to move off these farms. I am acutely conscious of the particular difficulties that the absence of any processing is causing for pig producers, many of whom I know have thousands of pigs ready for slaughter this week. The Government is particularly anxious that processing recommence as soon as possible and is particularly conscious of the impact on the thousands of workers employed at pig producing plants throughout the country as well as the many producers who are anxious to move animals for slaughter. It is in everybody's interest that slaughtering recommences quickly and that we get back into the market, restore consumer confidence and protect what is a vital element in the wider Irish agrifood sector.

To this end, the Taoiseach and I, along with officials from the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, have been engaged in constructive discussions with representatives of the processing sector and producers with a view to putting in place a financial aid package that would facilitate the early resumption of processing. These discussions are continuing and progress is being made and I remain optimistic that we can reach agreement that will ensure that slaughtering resumes this week.

I know there has been anxiety surrounding the outcome of analysis on samples taken from a representative sample of 11 of the 45 cattle herds under restriction. Preliminary results became available from my Department's central veterinary research laboratory last night and have been assessed overnight by the Food Safety Authority of Ireland. The outcome of this assessment is now available and I am extremely pleased with the results.

This afternoon, the Food Safety Authority of Ireland confirmed that the results for marker PCBs are such that it is satisfied there is no public health concern. Of the 11 herds, eight were clear and the remaining three, although technically non-compliant, are not at a level to pose any public health concern. The levels found were significantly less than those found in the pigs last week. We will maintain our precautionary approach and a number of proportionate measures will be taken to provide further reassurance as follows. Any animals or herds shown to be above the proposed legal limit will be taken out of the food and feed chain. Any product from these herds will not be released into the market.

The European Commission is being informed of the results and testing of the remaining herds is continuing. The results received to date are such that the measures set out above are sufficient. On the advice of the Food Safety Authority of Ireland, there will be no product recall as there was in the case of pork and bacon products. I am pleased and relieved at today's results and I have directed Bord Bia, other State agencies and our embassies worldwide to ensure this positive message is conveyed and the world-class product we have is promoted aggressively at home and abroad.

Obviously, the confirmation of the presence of dioxins in pork and today's results from the beef samples are a major disappointment for this House, the industry and our country. We have a responsibility as a Government to act to protect public health, provide consumer confidence and to safeguard a vital industry. This requires a balanced and proportionate response. I am satisfied that we have acted swiftly, decisively and responsibly. I am confident, based on the expertise and advice provided by the Department of Health and Children and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland that the actions taken do not in any way compromise public health. Rather, they will provide consumer assurance and, with the assistance of a new Bord Bia labelling system, Irish pork and bacon products will be back on the shelves quickly.

The measures we have taken are an indication of our commitment to the public health of our citizens and to the reputation of our agrifood sector. We have, at all times, acted responsibly and proportionately. I am optimistic that the negotiations with processing and producer interests will deliver an outcome that facilitates the resumption of slaughtering as a matter or urgency, in the interests of the thousands of employees, producers and processors and, not least, in the national interest.

I welcome the reassuring confirmation given by Mr. Alan Reilly of the Food Safety Authority of Ireland, FSAI, at this afternoon's press briefing that there is no risk to public health from beef. Nevertheless, consistent with the precautionary approach taken to date and to provide reassurance to consumers, the following actions are being taken: any animals in herds shown to be above the proposed legal limit will be taken out of the food and feed chain, any product from these herds will not be released onto the market and the European Commission is being informed of the results.

On Saturday, 6 December, following the confirmation of the presence of dioxins in some Irish pork products, the FSAI required the food industry to recall all such products from the market as a precautionary measure. As Minister of State with responsibility for health promotion and food safety, my priority is public health. Although the health risks for people exposed in the short term to dioxins do not provide cause for concern, the potential effects of continued high cumulative exposure over time led to the precautionary withdrawal of pork products from the market. The high levels of dioxins, between 80 and 200 times the legal limit, found in the pork products necessitated such a response.

I have been advised by both the chief medical officer, CMO, of the Department of Health and Children and the FSAI that scientific data and evidence do not support concerns on the health of people exposed to dioxins over a short period. The CMO has issued clear advice on this issue to the public and to general practitioners in correspondence. The advice is that Irish pork products produced between 1 September 2008 and 7 December should not be consumed; that any risk arising to health from the consumption of Irish pork products prior to the product recall is extremely low; that there is no need for people to seek direct medical advice; that it is not expected that the exposure in this incident will result in symptoms; and that the recall of pork products was to avoid cumulative exposure over a prolonged period which could lead to a harmful build-up of dioxin in the body.

An expert group has been convened by the FSAI to provide advice to the CMO on toxicological and medical issues. This group is also engaged in ongoing consultation with the European Food Safety Authority, the World Health Organisation and counterpart health risk assessors in the United Kingdom's Food Standards Agency. It is undertaking a risk assessment of maximum likely exposure levels and is drawing on the experience of the Belgian incident in 1999 where dioxin-contaminated feed was introduced onto chicken and pig farms. The level of dioxin found in Belgian pig fat was similar to that reported in Ireland and the duration of exposure to contaminated produce in Belgium was slightly longer. No adverse health effects have been reported in the Belgian population, with studies showing that the levels and duration of exposure were insufficient to increase the dioxin levels in the body. The expert group is meeting regularly to monitor the current situation.

To allay any public fears, the FSAI has opened an advice line, published a questions and answers sheet on its website and issued a series of press releases aimed at providing up-to-date information to both consumers and industry. The FSAI has also issued instructions to assist environmental health officers, who have been working since the weekend with retail outlets on the withdrawal of unsafe products. The Irish authorities' actions have been validated by the favourable international response. The French Agriculture Minister, Michel Barnier, has welcomed Ireland's actions, stating that we "reacted very rapidly". Ms Androulla Vassiliou, the European Commissioner for Health, has expressed satisfaction with Ireland's actions and has indicated that no further action is required by the Commission. The European Commission is satisfied that Ireland has acted in a correct manner. Likewise, industry representatives have welcomed the quick response from the Government.

Analysis of the situation is ongoing. This evaluation process must be completed to ensure that all affected product is identified and restricted before post-recall product can be placed on the market. Furthermore, robust arrangements must be put in place to underpin and facilitate the release process. These steps are fundamental in terms of protecting public health and retaining consumer confidence in Irish pork products.

Notwithstanding the extremely low risk to public health, the prompt action taken by the Irish authorities in initiating a recall will ultimately protect Ireland's hard won reputation as a world class producer of safe and high-quality foods. I join with the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and the Taoiseach in thanking all the experts for the clarity of their advice and their hard work at the weekend.

Notwithstanding the enormous economic impact of the crisis in which we are currently engulfed, it is important to emphasise that it is, first and foremost, a public health issue and, thus, an issue of consumer confidence. As a lay person, I am reassured by the comments I have heard from eminent scientists, including the former chief executive of the FSAI, Dr. Patrick Wall, deputy chief executive officer of the FSAI, Mr. Alan Reilly, and Mr. Houlihan, the CMO at the Department of Health and Children. That reassurance is important to the public because therein lie the foundations on which we can rebuild confidence in the industry. Through that, we can rebuild the markets which are undoubtedly closing to us as this crisis evolves.

In the context of that expert advice, it is important that we do not hide our light under a bushel. The State, whether through the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, the Department of Health and Children, the FSAI or a combination of all three, should be proactive in taking out radio and television advertisements and public press notices in an effort to reassure the public that the Irish food industry is open for business and that our products are safe. This is critical to the task of re-establishing confidence, which, in turn, is critical to the re-establishment of the pork market, of which the domestic market is a significant element.

It is inadequate merely to extrapolate from the Belgian experience and conclude, on that basis, that all is well for the Irish consumer. It is important that we have quantitative research so that we can reassure the public on that basis. Available advice indicates that it should be possible to get that quantitative research into the public domain within a short period of time and thus further add to the incremental process of confidence rebuilding that is imperative if we are to come out of this difficult economic situation.

Those who are part of the pig industry in its broadest sense, whether primary producers, processors and their many employees or those affected by the ripple effect into other food sectors, are innocent victims of this development. While a plant in County Carlow may be the source of contamination that has brought the pig industry to its knees, it is patently obvious that the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, through its failure to monitor adequately this premises, has led us to this situation. It beggars belief that such a facility can, in the words of the Department, be considered "low risk" when the food chain was central to our last major food scare in the 1990s, after which a range of new regulations was introduced in 1996.

I am not interested in a blame game between the Department and the Environmental Protection Agency. Neither are producers and consumers. What they want is accountability in respect of the systems failure that gave rise to the situation in which we find ourselves.

These new regulations, coupled with previous global incidents of contamination in the food chain with PCBs, namely, the Brazilian citrus pulp crisis and the Belgian crisis of 1999, clearly point to a systems failure in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food. It only adds to the abject failure within the Department to state that even if this facility had been subject to greater scrutiny by the Department the appropriate test for dioxin in the food product would not have been conducted because the cost of dioxin tests is in excess of €1,000 each. It should be pointed out that no scrutiny of this facility had taken place in 2008 and there was only one visit in each of the years 2007 and 2006, notwithstanding the lessons we should have learned from the Belgian crisis and the BSE crisis about the importance of the food chain. Considering the enormous cost the State is now facing that is small change. I am conscious that the meaning of "small change" was determined on the Government benches by the Minister, Deputy Noel Dempsey's, reference to the €50 million cost of the e-voting machines.

The failure to detect this problem at source is compounded by the Department's subsequent failure to detect the problem on the individual farms that were supplied by this facility. These farmers are innocent victims but the farms are licensed by the Department as they need a licence to blend their own compound feed. There is a double layer of failure in the Department on this issue. I appreciate that detailed investigations are ongoing but the bodies charged with regulatory and enforcement responsibility, including the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, must answer for how a product such as PCB oils, which has been banned from production since the mid-1970s, has turned up with such devastating consequences for the Irish food industry.

Farmers in all sectors, including the pig sector, have invested enormous amounts of time and money in a traceability system that has been shown not to work in the pig sector. Otherwise, why should there be a 100% recall of product for a 10% incidence of contamination? What will be the Minister's sales pitch now to farmers across all sectors who still invest in traceability?

I note the recent announcement of the confirmation of PCBs in the beef sector. Farmers were sold the idea that if there was a crisis in the food sector, traceability would ensure it would be possible to recall, selectively, the product that is contaminated. Clearly, there is a system failure in the traceability system which will exercise the minds of the Minister and his senior officials in the days to come.

To say farmers are angry about this systems failure is a gross understatement. They are subject to the most stringent multiple unannounced inspections regime. They may not like it but they have worked with it on the basis that it safeguarded their livelihoods. Their sense of betrayal and anger is palpable. As an individual pig farmer said to me over the weekend, "This will not only finish my business, it will take my family home". The pig sector is a capital intensive enterprise operating at minimum margins and has only been in profit for four of the last 18 months. As a result of the systems failure in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, these farmers, their processors and thousands of ordinary working people face the prospect of the dole queue.

Given the recent announcement by the Minister that PCBs above the legislative limits have been confirmed in the beef sector, the decision not to recall product raises serious questions about the proportionality of the response in the pig sector. Since last Saturday, notwithstanding the decision to recall 100% of product, officials from the Food Safety Authority of Ireland, the Department of Health and Children and others have been at pains to reassure those who have consumed pork products that there are no negative health consequences. If that is the case, and given the decision not to recall beef products, which I support, because we are led to believe traceability is operative from farm to fork, I believe the Minister has questions to answer about his response in the pig sector. I hope there will be an opportunity to tease this out in greater detail in subsequent questions to the Minister.

The damage to our €9.2 billion food industry — accounting for 9.7% of exports and 8% of employment — and to consumer confidence at home and abroad is very significant. Any analysis of the international news spin on this issue makes clear how our competitors will use this against us. Against this background and following the budget, Bord Bia faces an 8% cut in funding. In addition, it is being asked to take on the marketing duties originally carried out by Bord Iascaigh Mhara. Time is of the essence when dealing with this issue so I am anxious to hear from the Minister, before the end of this week, if not today, details of an additional funding arrangement for Bord Bia so it can immediately begin the fight back to reclaim markets that have been closed and operations to restore confidence both at home and abroad. As I said earlier, the home market for the pork industry is very significant.

In addition, a major political and diplomatic initiative will be required, in terms of contacts at the highest levels, including ambassadorial, ministerial and heads of state, in respect of the lucrative markets that have already been closed to us. In the coming hours, intensive diplomatic manoeuvring and negotiating will also be required at EU level to ensure that market remains open to our products.

This marketing initiative is of course predicated on the processors getting back into business. I listened in anticipation last night for a conclusive statement that the Government had agreed a package with the industry that would enable it to get up and running today. Now the Taoiseach is talking about negotiations in Europe about a framework. The Minister is aware from experience in his constituency that animal welfare issues will quickly loom on individual pig farms. Pigs that were due to be slaughtered today were to be replaced in the units by store pigs, which were moving along the conveyor chain. Indeed, sows that are farrowing today are due to have their piglets moved up the line. Pig production is a continuous conveyor belt.

We need joined-up thinking. What is required is diplomatic and political action and a marketing initiative from Bord Bia. However, that will be useless if the processors are not back in business. The Taoiseach's remarks about seeking funding from Europe on this issue had all the hallmarks of a kick to touch. I wish him the best but this industry has been waiting for days to start processing, when so much hangs in the balance in respect of access to markets and employment. The processors and their employees from Cavan to Cork and all points between need to get back to work.

Another casualty in this situation is the organic and artisan food sector, which is dear to the Minister of State's heart. Farmers in that sector have had no contact with any of the product that has been contaminated but they are affected by the 100% recall of product. The proportionality of that recall is under question. Producers who had no access to or contact with contaminated product should be given immediate clearance from the Department's veterinary service to get on with their business.

A number of other issues were not addressed by the Minister. One is the appropriate manner for disposing of the enormous volume of product that will be returned to the processors. Yesterday, I called to a small artisan producer, whose cold room is already filled with produce that is now officially deemed to be waste. It is being stored side by side with product that is fit for the market. These processors are facing into the Christmas market and are desperate to get this product off their premises so they can get back to business as quickly as possible. How will that waste be dealt with appropriately? An extensive cull is required in the pig industry, covering all individual farms on which animals have been contaminated as a result of the contaminated feed. How will this cull be carried out? How will the animals be disposed of? Will incineration or rendering be used? The Minister did not provide information on this issue. To address this problem in a comprehensive manner he must close the significant information gap.

Lest Deputies forget, consumers also have rights. None of the Government's statements referred to consumers' entitlements to refunds. The initial advice given to consumers crystallised the absence of forethought and planning in the ministerial announcement on Saturday. The original advice was to dispose of all pork products. We now find, however, that consumers are entitled to a refund at the point of purchase. Consumer entitlements have been dealt with shoddily and treated as an afterthought. The disposal of the returned products and the manner in which the cull will be carried out are critical issues.

I assure the Minister and his Government colleagues that they will receive total co-operation from the Fine Gael Party in protecting the interests of the agrifood sector. We must also be assured, however, that in the days ahead the defects I have identified in respect of the Department's inspection regime will be remedied in order that we can have full confidence in its operation.

I will share time with Deputy Willie Penrose.

I express solidarity with all pig producers in the organic and non-organic sector, craft butchers, processors and every worker who has been adversely affected by this crisis. Public health and consumer confidence must be restored immediately. This will be the indicator of the future viability of the pigmeat industry. Producers have been unfairly plunged into a crisis which is not of their making. Farms which purchased contaminated feed did so in good faith and on the basis that the product was licensed.

The pork industry is the fourth largest in the agriculture sector and is worth approximately €400 million per annum. I understand exports of pigmeat were worth €212 million in 2007. In that context, we must take cognisance of the fact that only ten of a possible 400 producers have been affected by contaminated feed. I understand the producers in question produce less than 10% of the overall kill. The minimal number of producers affected should help restore public confidence because if the figures I cite are correct, 90% of the pig kill is beyond reproach and scientific evidence will show that the risk to human health diminishes significantly.

We cannot underestimate the importance of the meat industry. Having listened carefully to the Taoiseach and Minister, I note that neither of them referred to a timeline for the return of pork to the shelves. I understood from the Taoiseach that the European Food Safety Authority must make this call from a scientific perspective. I call on the authority and European Commission to make allowance for the importance of the meat industry to this State. These institutions must act as soon as possible to ensure products are placed on the shelves again and public confidence restored. If the European Union will not provide a compensation package, at least Commissioner Kuneva and the EFSA should issue a statement within 24 to 48 hours indicating that production can commence again.

The true test of patriotism, if I may use that word, is to stand in solidarity on this issue. We should not use it to score political points off the Minister. We all know family farmers or workers in processing plants whose livelihoods depend on a viable pig and beef industry. At the same time, however, fundamental questions must be asked of the Department. I call on the Minister to act with greater urgency and to implore the European Commission to make a statement forthwith to enable the industry to start working again.

While the Government was correct to introduce a total recall of pork products, if the problem affected less than 10% of producers and 90% of pork products are thereby deemed to be safe and fit for human consumption, the Minister should have made a statement in the 24 to 48 hour period following the total recall indicating that production could recommence. He should clarify the reason this has not been done.

If the traceability system was working adequately and the one-step-up, one-step-back principle was being adhered to, it would have been possible to isolate the relevant producers and stop their production. This would have allowed other producers who never used this material to continue to provide product for the market. This issue must also be addressed.

The national feed inspection programme is a rigorous regime applied to all primary producers, whether pig or beef farmers. Everything which reaches the farm gate is subject to the most stringent inspection controls in the world. Why did the inspection process for feedstuffs fail in respect of the producer in question? The systems failure which occurred has significantly diminished the potential of the pig and pigmeat industry. The sector will take a long time to claw its way back to its previous position. I ask the Minister to address this issue.

We need to show solidarity with all the players in the industry. This is a national issue on which the Labour Party will support the Minister in every step of the process. Nevertheless, the problem must be handled with a greater sense of urgency.

I was here in the late 1990s and the early 2000s when matters of great significance and national importance, the foot and mouth disease and BSE crises, arose.It is important we are constructive, put all shoulders to the wheel and act in solidarity to ensure the pivotal role of the agricultural industries is secured. As a consumer I am reassured by what I am hearing, particularly regarding beef production. I come from the heart of the beef producing area. If anyone wants assurance, I intend to eat steak tomorrow and as a consumer myself that is the best assurance I can give.

The total recall of pork products and by-products at the weekend was of significant concern and showed that the Government acted quickly. It is now a matter of major concern to pig producers and processors, butchers and employees in factories and on farms, and also involves suppliers and hauliers. It is having significant adverse consequences across the country and affects up to 6,000 people. I know some of them. I am aware of lay-offs in Rosderra. I know the owners of that plant and went to school with some of them. There are 850 employees who have been laid off there indefinitely, and other lay-offs could bring the number under protective notice to 1,500.

They will be unemployed for a period of time unless agreement is reached between the Minister and the industry on the nature and extent of an aid and rescue package. There is an urgency to making progress in this regard. There are 6,000 jobs in the pork industry. I would be grateful if the Minister could tell me the level of progress made by the Government and his colleagues in the European Commission to try and secure a rescue package to ensure the survival of an industry which provides significant employment in rural areas. This has been done over a number of years and is being done now. It is very difficult to bring industry and jobs into a rural area and we cannot underestimate its importance.

I heard the announcement that three of the 11 herds have only twice the level of PCBs and it was reassuring. I did not realise 45 farmers were involved; I thought there were only 30. I know a significant number of farmers involved, and they were also involved in discussions on the foot and mouth disease and BSE when those crises erupted. As far as I was aware, a comprehensive traceability system was to be put in place in 2002. It was to apply across the food industry and was to be put in place with no ifs, buts or maybes. A question now arises as to how the traceability and identification system fell at the very first hurdle. It was a like a well-bred horse who comes onto a track and goes down the first time she is given a run.

I recall debating this issue in great detail. I know some of the officials and they would recognise me from some points I raised on this matter. Farmers are subject to intense and rigorous examination and inspection, some of which are on the spot and others they would be forewarned about. They are now wondering as primary producers, with all they are subject to, if a systems failure led to this situation.

As Deputies Creed and Sherlock stated, only ten out of fewer than 500 pig farmers are involved. Notwithstanding the issue of secondary processing, should it have been possible to isolate the problem and not have a countrywide shutdown because the producers cannot be identified?

I will provide the Minister with an example of the consequences of this as sometimes one picture is worth 10,000 words. I come from an area with a large pig farming enterprise. It is currently slaughtering 1,100 pigs per week and creates employment locally for 30 people, which is a small fraction of the total number of employees but is significant in a local area. Its pigs would never be fed biscuit or bread meal. All the pigs are fed a cereal-based diet, 60% of which it grows itself and the rest it sources from local farmers. All its pigs are quality assured to the highest standard in the UK and Ireland. Some €185,000 of perfectly safe pork produce is sitting in cold storage awaiting a Government decision to release it back onto the market. Every day the Government delays in supporting the processors another 250 pigs are added to the backlog of pigs for slaughter. I was told today that in a number of days animal welfare will become an issue as all its pig accommodation will be full.

Another problem is that factories require pigs within a certain weight. The farmer said to me that the longer the Government leaves Irish produce off the shelves, foreign produce has more opportunity to take its place. That is the issue. It is real life and not fiction. I am reassured by the comments of Dr. Patrick Wall whom I hold in very high regard. The priority now must be to get the system up and running again to ensure Irish produce and processed pork meats are on the shelves of retailers at home and abroad. Otherwise, as a farmer said to me, vital market share will be lost as alternative sources of pork and bacon will be obtained from European competitors. The longer it drags on the more devastating the consequences will be for the industry.

I referred to the beef industry and thankfully the news is good. There is an excellent, comprehensive and rigorous traceability system in place from the farm to the fork, and that is something we always advocated. The Minister said less than 0.2% is involved.

I wish to raise the issue of employees. I call on the Minister for Social and Family Affairs to provide additional personnel and officials to handle the large number of people who will make applications for unemployment benefit. There are already significant backlogs for people already seeking unemployment benefit. I ask the Minister to ensure, in the run-up to Christmas, that if people are still unemployed they are not left penniless. I am aware that people may not return to work immediately. I need to have that matter clarified.

I wish to share time with Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

As I said in my initial reaction to the current crisis, the priority must be to limit the damage done to the sector and to protect the many livelihoods and jobs that are affected. The scale of the losses incurred by individual pig farmers and suppliers have been significant and is an issue that needs to be dealt with. We have already seen large scale temporary lay-offs and there is a likelihood that if the correct measures are not taken today further lay-offs will follow. That is why it is vital that processing and supply to shops begins again immediately.

There are approximately 7,000 people employed in the industry, including approximately 1,200 on farms, as well as other jobs in transportation and retailing. We have seen a significant proportion of the processing work force temporarily laid off and a threat of more losses. There is no reason why things should develop in that manner but it depends upon the industry picking itself up and resuming production.

The crisis over the contaminated produce could not have come at a worse time as farmers have already experienced steep falls in the prices paid to them by the factories over recent months. Unfortunately, this was attributed in some degree to the lack of domestic consumer demand for Irish pork. It will not be helped by what is currently happening and makes it all the more important that the right measures are taken, and are taken quickly, to ensure the sector gets back on track. It also highlights the need to address various issues regarding the marketing of Irish pork and the labelling of pork products.

The export market is also an important aspect of the industry and is equally affected by the current difficulties. The fact that the European Commission has not banned Irish pork is to be greatly welcomed as a ban would have had catastrophic consequences. However, it raises another issue regarding the actions that were taken here. The impact of the current crisis in overseas markets needs to be addressed. What is happening will have immediate effect, as it has had here on the availability of pigmeat, but there is potential for it to cause longer term damage if the withdrawal of Irish pork undermines overseas consumer confidence.

That is why it is essential the Government does all in its power to restore the confidence of overseas customers, and it must begin to do this immediately. An Bord Bia will have a vital role to play in this. The overseas market is crucial, as we export approximately 60% of our produce and those exports were valued at almost €400 million in 2007. There are many jobs and many livelihoods dependent on the export market alone.

Some sections of the British media have treated the issue in a manner that will not help to redress the damage done, and may cause further damage in the long term. One newspaper, infamous for its role in a number of miscarriage of justice cases, ran a sensational headline referring to toxic Irish pork, while another newspaper referred to pigs here being fed plastic bags. These are gutter headlines from the gutter press. That sort of reporting could do immeasurable damage to Irish exports to Britain, which is undoubtedly its intention, and the authorities here must ensure that this stops and that consumers in Britain are provided with the proper information, if necessary by demanding retractions in the newspapers concerned or by placing advertisements.

Another issue that must be addressed is whether the ban, the slaughter of the pigs and the withdrawal of produce from retailers was an over-reaction to the discovery of the contamination. Professor James Heffron of University College Cork, one of the leading experts in this field, stated that if the data collated by the Food Safety Authority of Ireland proves that the levels of dioxins were within the acceptable limit, then there was no reason to order the withdrawal of pork products from sale. He stated that these dioxins are in the atmosphere anyway, and if there were similar amounts likely to have been consumed in the small number of products that were sold, then no harm will have been done. From the very moment the measures were announced, people were being advised that there was no need to be too concerned and no need to seek medical advice. Therefore, there was and is no real threat to public health. On a lighter note, I am sure we all know people who had large fries on Sunday morning, in spite of the announcement that products be thrown out.

Based on previous studies into dioxin contamination, both from food and from the chemical plant explosion in Seveso, the Food Safety Authority of Ireland has stated that the health risks involved are minimal and will remain so even for anybody who has consumed contaminated produce. The question therefore must be posed as to whether the withdrawal of all pig meat products was necessary, or whether something like a public health warning might have been more appropriate. We could have been told the facts as they were known on Sunday morning, the level of risk involved and that it was up to us whether we chose to consume the products affected. It should have been a judgment call, and on balance, following advice from different groups including the chief medical officer, the correct decision was taken.

We are currently experiencing a massive shock to the sector, with so many workers being laid off in the run-up to Christmas, and with farmers, butcher shops and butcher suppliers suffering losses. There is an urgent need for a financial package that takes cognisance of all the sectors that have lost out heavily.

There is also an issue with traceability. Was there a failure in the system? Instead of determining exactly which farms and which animals were contaminated and then tracing the supply line through the processors involved, the entire sector became affected. Once it was known which farms had used the feed, should it not have been possible to determine exactly where the processing of contaminated animals took place, what products resulted from this, and to which retailers or exporters they were sent? In that way we could have ring-fenced that part of the sector that is free from contamination. Were officials able to establish this? If not, why was that the case? If they were able to trace the destination of the feed and the location of the slaughter of contaminated animals, why then was it not possible to impose more limited restrictions?

One other issue which might be considered peripheral has also come to attention in the midst of this crisis. Some retailers were still selling pork products that were labelled as Irish last Sunday. They were able to do so because the actual meat was produced in other countries but it was packaged in Ireland and then labelled as Irish. That is a major flaw in the current labelling system and it needs to be addressed in the interests of promoting Irish food produce and for wider health and safety reasons.

The entire sector is going through a very difficult period. We need to work collectively to address it. The Government must be proactive in coming up with a financial package that will alleviate the terrible hardships that people are enduring, especially the producers at the lower end who are in urgent need of support.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Pig production remains an important part of farming and processing in Cavan and Monaghan, so the Minister will know that there is great local concern about the current crisis, apart from its national implications. The crisis has already had a major impact, with 140 people put on protective notice at McCarren Meats in Cavan and a further 50 workers temporarily laid off at Feldhuesin Clones. There have also been layoffs at the Rosderra Meats plant at Stradone. There were announcements of further layoffs this morning at plants elsewhere in the country, bringing the total number of workers laid off in the sector to around 2,000.

Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal contain the main source of pigs that are sent to processors across the Border, which highlights the all-Ireland aspect of this problem. The Sinn Féin Minister in the Northern Executive, Ms Michelle Gildernew MLA, has overseen the response to the crisis in the Six Counties. We have been advised that eight beef farms were identified as having used the contaminated feed, and that the relevant restrictions were imposed on them. No pig farms in the Six Counties received supplies of the contaminated feed. According to reports today, the food safety authorities in the Six Counties are satisfied that the levels of contamination in the affected beef herds are below that which would pose any risk to human health. Therefore, there will be no need to impose restrictions there, and we have noted the same assurances here today regarding the relevant beef herds in this State.

In her contribution this afternoon, the Minister of State, Deputy Mary Wallace, stated the evaluation process needs to be completed to ensure that all affected product is identified and restricted before post-recall product can be placed on the market. We as Deputies and the wider public need answers, especially those involved in the sector. How long will this evaluation process take before we see post-recall product placed back on the market?

There are many concerns for producers, processors and those who are involved in the preparation of high added value products dependent on pork and bacon. What compensation will these groups receive? Who will pay for the significant losses that each of the groups has suffered? Who will be paid? Can the Minister give assurances that each of those groups, an integral part of the overall industry, will be fully recognised, respected and compensated? People are facing absolute ruin if there is no urgency adopted by the Government in indicating the necessary assurances that compensation will be secured, either from the EU or from ourselves if we have to stand alone on this. Many of these groups are currently distressed and in need of cash, especially in the run up to Christmas, due to the demands of creditors and a need for cashflow to sustain their businesses. Will any approach be made to the Irish financial institutions to put together a package that will address the needs of this sector during the current crisis? Access to funds at this stage is critical to the survival of many of those groups I have described. Can the Minister also note that while empty shelves are bad enough, it is probably only a matter of hours rather than days before we will see foreign pork and bacon produce on Irish shelves in supermarkets throughout this State?

It is already there.

While it will be hard to try to reintroduce Irish produce to the shelves, its displacement by foreign produce will make it even more difficult. It is clear that some Irish companies will fold as a consequence of all of this. The critical objective is not just to see pork and bacon products back on the shelves, accompanied by consumer confidence and all the necessary assurances, but to ensure that Irish pork and bacon products are back on the shelves without delay.

A number of matters have been addressed, but I would like to ask about other matters that have not been covered. The House deserves to know what action will be taken against the supplier of the contaminated feed. That question was not answered in the Minister's address or that of the Minister of State, Deputy Wallace. My colleague, Deputy Ferris, has made reference to reports that inappropriate oil was used in the burning or heating process. Is it the case that plastic coverings were not removed from pans and loaves of bread that were used in the processing of animal feed? That question should be answered in the House this afternoon so there is no further uncertainty. If it is the case, what danger does it present for animals and for the consumer, who is the end user? To what extent can the Minister be certain that others in this business are not also involved in unacceptable bad practices? What steps are being taken to examine the activities of others who have the same supply role as the producer of feed in this case? I ask the Minister to make it clear in his response to Deputies that, arising from this tragic experience, he intends to ensure that from this day forward, nothing other than best practice will be accepted and the necessary inspections and guarantees etc. will be in place.

Just 40 minutes remain for the question and answer session. Sixteen Deputies have indicated they would like to ask questions. I ask them to be very brief. If I am to ensure that everybody gets to ask a question, Members will have to confine their contributions to one minute.

I will be very brief. Does the Minister accept that every minute that passes while Irish produce is absent from supermarket shelves from Tokyo to San Francisco to Moscow will make it more expensive to restore such produce to overseas markets? For that reason, does the Government accept the State is culpable in the closure of these plants as a result of contamination? Is the Government prepared to pay the price to ensure processing plants reopen as quickly as possible? I remind the House no inspection has taken place at the Carlow plant to date in 2008. Are inspections organised at such plants by appointment? Farmers do not receive notice when their farms are inspected.

I would like to conclude by asking about compliance with EU regulations and possible contact from third countries. Is Ireland in compliance with all EU regulations in areas like food safety? Prior to last Saturday, did any EU member state contact the Irish authorities to express concern about PCB levels? If so, at what level did such contact take place? Did it take place at Food Safety Authority of Ireland level, at Government level, at veterinary level or at any level within the Department?

I compliment Members on their positive and constructive contributions to the debate on this important issue. I assure Deputy Creed that no member state contacted the Department or the Food Safety Authority of Ireland before Friday of last week. We issued a statement on Thursday night to indicate we had restricted farms where non-dioxin marker PCB levels had been found. It was subsequent to that — some time on Friday — that the Dutch authorities contacted us to inform us of the pattern of dioxins they had found in pork products that had gone through that country. The first publicity in regard to this potential incident was the press statement on restricted farms that was released by the Department on Thursday night.

I fully appreciate the points that have been made about the opening of the markets. As soon as this debate concludes, I will return to the Department to meet processors. The House may be aware that the Taoiseach and I met representatives of the processors, the Irish Farmers Association and individual producers in the Department at 5 p.m. or 6 p.m. on Saturday evening. We discussed at length the difficulties that would arise from the decision that was about to be announced. We emphasised the need for all of us to work together to try to get processing up and running again. We shared the concern the Deputy has expressed about the "pig cycle", if one wants to call it that. We discussed the numbers that are coming down the line. We are all conscious that animal welfare issues can arise quickly in this context.

I am concerned that Deputy Creed, like Deputy Sherlock, who referred to the matter in his opening remarks, may have misunderstood the Taoiseach's comment about waiting for the European Food Safety Authority to give us clearance. That comment related to produce with a small percentage of pork, which is a different issue. The Department issued a notice to the trade on Sunday evening. We discussed the disposal problems that have been mentioned by Deputy Creed with the retailers on Sunday evening. The trade notice that was issued on Sunday evening advised those involved in this trade how they could get back into production the following day. On Sunday night——

A series of questions will be asked. I appreciate that it is difficult to respond to them briefly.

I am keen to be fair to the two spokespersons.

At the end of this debate, the Minister will have five minutes in which to respond comprehensively. I do not want to freeze Deputies out of the debate — that is all.

We issued a trade notice on Sunday night. We stated publicly that those involved in the trade could start moving produce from slaughter houses and start processing, as long as they met the requirements of our veterinary services and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland, one of which was the need to verify that the pigs they were about to slaughter, or had slaughtered, did not have any connection with any of the farms where the potentially contaminated food ingredient had arrived. We put that in place and issued that notice to the trade at some stage on Sunday evening. That is publicly known. The other matter relates to the European Food Safety Authority.

I also asked whether the Carlow facility is inspected by appointment.

No. Such businesses do not receive notification.

The facility in question has not been inspected in 2008.

No. The facility was due to be inspected in late November or early December of this year. It is important to make sure that the House is clear on this, as there may have been some misinformation in the public domain in this regard. In accordance with EU legislation, the Department's national feed inspection programme is part of the overall integrated annual control plan for this country. A specially trained unit in the Department is devoted to feed inspections. The Department takes 1,800 samples per annum from the complete range of feed materials. A total of 7,200 laboratory analyses are carried out. That is done. Our control programme was audited in May 2008 within the overall framework of the EU Food and Veterinary Office. Our systems, inspections and work are audited by the office on an annual basis. The last audit report, which relates to May of this year, commented favourably on the systems and workings of the Department's programme. It mentioned that the residue programme has noted a continual decline in the presence of residue in Irish produce. This risk-based sampling involves taking over 30,000 samples from across the food chain and testing them for over 200 possible contaminants. The frequency and geographical distribution of the samples taken is laid down in the regulations that come under the EU framework. The regulations are rigidly followed by the Department as part of an EU-approved programme that has been audited and favourably reported on by the European Union.

Why does the Department not test for PCBs?

We do. That takes place in the Backweston laboratory.

Not in Carlow. The Minister said it would not have been picked up in Carlow.

It was not inspected.

It was our sampling of a pork product that identified the source as the feed. That shows that the system——

The Department knew nothing.

We have to be accurate in this regard.

We have spent seven minutes on the first question. Sixteen Deputies are offering. I call Deputy Sherlock.

On a point of clarification——

There is no such thing. I take it it is a point of order.

Many people want to ask questions. Is the time being kept separate for questions?

This is the time for questions.

If the time the Minister takes to answer is also taken, we will not get around the House.

The order of the House allowed for 40 minutes and we are eating into it now. I call Deputy Sherlock and I ask him to be brief with his questions.

I have three questions. Will there be a new regulatory framework dealing with non-food grade oil, as I understand it? My second question relates to the routine sample of pork fat. The Minister stated on 28 November that a routine sample of pork fat taken as part of his Department's national residue monitoring programme was shown to be positive for the presence of non-dioxin-like marker PCBs. Is there routine testing for PCBs on an ongoing basis throughout the food industry? On Friday, 28 November we were told that this indicative testing took place. On 4 December the Department issued a press release confirming an investigation into the source of a contaminant in animal feed and the restriction of a number of farms. The Dutch authorities contacted the Department and the FSAI regarding their independent investigation. When they communicated that, how long had the Dutch authorities' investigation been in train? When was the rapid alert system kicked into action? This is also an important point. The Minister has told us this all happened on this island, effectively. However, there is a school of thought that suggests the rapid alert kicked in long before this process and we need some clarification on that point.

I want to give clarification on the last point. The information that was put in the public domain originated from the analysis, work, research and testing carried out by our authority. On Saturday the rapid alert system kicked in and all member states were alerted. However, all member states received the contents of our statement of Thursday evening. Subsequently — sometime on Friday — the Dutch authorities contacted my Department and the Food Safety Authority of Ireland. They stated at that time that in examining pork products that had come through from different countries they noticed a pattern in the latter half of September that indicated dioxin levels. That was when the comparison arose. That is how that happened.

Ireland operates a residue contamination monitoring programme that is approved by the European Commission. As part of the monitoring programme, indicator PCBs are sought in samples taken from animals. Detection of PCBs in Irish meat would be considered to be an unlikely event. When it arose we sought further analysis that was done in the Central Science Laboratory in York. That was the chronology of events.

In this afternoon's national news one of the farmers' organisations instilled fear in many farmers and the nation generally owing to a lack of information on the issue of dioxin in beef. I ask the Minister to address that fear as soon as possible by putting the proper information in the public domain.

I was contacted by a representative of four pig farmers in north Donegal who had sent their product to be slaughtered across the Border. I ask the Minister to give assurances that he will do as much as he possibly can to ensure this issue south of the Border is not used against pig producers south of the Border and in particular in Donegal.

When will the new labels be available to processors? Is there any danger to pork that has been in storage since before 1 September? When can we expect to see pork products back on the shelves again?

I was not aware of any statement on the beef issue. We only got the results back from the FSAI just before lunchtime and we put them in the public domain right away. I believe it was very important to reassure our consumers and the people involved in the beef industry. The very strong confirmation from the Food Safety Authority of Ireland of no risk to public health from beef was very important and was welcomed by Deputies Kenny and Gilmore during Leaders' Questions earlier. I put on the record of the House that results have been received for marker PCBs in beef. The Food Safety Authority of Ireland is evaluating the results of the samples taken from 11 herds from the 45 farms that have been restricted as a result of having received potentially contaminated feed and it is satisfied there is no public health concern. That is the accurate information. I was not aware of any information to the contrary.

Deputy Blaney asked about storage capacity. Obviously processors will need to go out and earn market share again. As we all know every day that is lost causes further difficulty. We will work with the industry should there be any storage capacity problems. That is one of the issues we have been discussing. I instructed Bord Bia, the other State agencies with offices overseas and our embassies to embark on an information exercise to get the proper information to the consumers in the markets that we value so much and that so many of our processors have worked so hard to gain.

Can the Minister confirm the State will provide assistance to the processing companies? Waiting for a European framework will not achieve what we want to achieve. Consumers, farmers, processors and the 850 employees in Rosderra Meats in County Offaly are entirely blameless for the situation in which they find themselves. Every hour we wait will make it more difficult to get operational again as I am sure the Minister is aware.

What is the Minister's plan to convince consumers at home and abroad of the safety and quality of Irish pork? We need an urgent and dynamic campaign to ensure we reopen our international markets and also to ensure Irish consumers are aware of our products.

I agree with the Deputy on her last point. On Sunday Bord Bia started to work on a new labelling system to allow people see that it was Irish pork post the recall — if one wants to call it that — on 7 December. As I said earlier to the Deputy's colleagues, we immediately put in place a trader notice on Sunday indicating that people could resume processing and moving product, obviously with the validation of the Food Safety Authority of Ireland and the veterinary services of the Department or the local authority.

They cannot resume processing because they cannot get paid and they cannot pay their staff.

I understand the difficulty. The Deputy's constituency colleague, the Taoiseach, and I met the processors twice.

I can assure the Minister they are not reassured yet, regardless of who has met them.

There is also a Cavan connection with Rosderra Meats, as Deputy Ó Caoláin said.

Its plants are still closed despite all its connections.

We spoke at a very senior level to representatives of the European Commission yesterday. If a Government programme is put in place we will need to get state aid approval anyway. We outlined to the European Commission that this is an emergency that is outside the control of the particular industry. We outlined that we would naturally seek support for aid to private storage and that we would also seek financial support for whatever programme or programmes we finalise. We alerted the European Commission to it, outlining to it the possible routes we might take. We hope to finalise talks with processors as early as possible. While I do not want to keep repeating ad nauseam, it is extremely important that processing gets going again for the sake of employees and for the sake of the industry regaining market share. Obviously the animal welfare issue will also come down the road at us fairly rapidly if processing does not resume.

I ask the Minister about the issue of product displacement from the shelves, which is the major concern. Is there any way the Minister can protect the industry here particularly from imports? On my way to Dublin I spoke to a small food producer who produces sausages, rashers and black puddings. It is a very small industry outside Cashel with traceability. It is wrong to say there is no traceability in the pig industry. The Minister has not asked about traceability enough and checked what traceability these people have. I have here written codes for times they received products and the suppliers, yet the Minister called it all back. The Minister and his officials have much to answer for regarding what they have done to the pig industry. I am very concerned. I stood with this lady outside her door this morning. She employs seven people and has been in production only two years. She is one of the most thorough and efficient people I have ever met in business. The Government has many questions to answer on what I believe is very important. What is the Minister doing about the displacements that will come in from outside countries? Will he go further on traceability in the bacon industry?

I disagree with Deputy Tom Hayes. We made the correct decision. It was a very difficult decision to make — it was difficult for the industry, our country and everybody involved. However, we made the correct decision and I stand over it, as does the Government. Every party representative I know who spoke on behalf of his or her party echoed that strongly on Saturday night. Earlier I paid tribute to them. In different media programmes I happened to hear or were mentioned to me, people were complimentary of Opposition politicians and their approach, as were farm leaders and the processors. The processors knew the very difficult situation that was emerging.

We live in a single European market. We would not like barriers put up against us in the food industry and we hope we have access to the markets. Product can be moved within the EU when it satisfies EU conditions. I do not know the particular——

They are displacing our good food, whether we like it or not.

I want to see as much Irish food as possible consumed on our island and elsewhere, but the reassuring message that goes out to our consumers about the quality of our food is very important. I heard comments from eminent scientists and medical people in the international media over the weekend, and every one of those eminent people said the Irish Government made the correct decision, although it was a difficult decision for their industry. There can be no doubt about issues such as that. Public health is paramount and the interests of the consumers take precedence.

I agree with that.

If Deputy Tom Hayes thinks product is coming in illegally or wrongly marked, he should talk to my office and I will be glad to pursue that matter.

The French Minister for agriculture said Ireland acted rapidly. The European Commission said Ireland reacted in the correct manner. I compliment the Ministers for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and Health and Children, their officials and the FSAI, who worked over the weekend on this issue. As the Minister comes from the heartland of the pig industry there is no better man to know the effects it will have on his constituents. Deputy Crawford knows the same.

Deputy Ó Caoláin asked about the company. Has this company's licence been withdrawn? When will the Minister know whether we will qualify for aid for private storage? When will slaughtering recommence? That is very important, as we have all stated. Has slaughtering started on the affected pig units and the three herds of cattle? Will they be disposed of in a registered rendering plant?

I thank Deputy Johnny Brady. The plant at the centre of this has been closed since last Wednesday. We have been discussing the aid for private storage with the European Commission since yesterday. I have to talk to some of the senior people in the Commission again this evening. I got some indication, although I do not have confirmation, that some of the small processors have recommenced work with the necessary validation from the Department. That is a small part of the market, but it is an important part of the market for those operators. I hope I am 100% accurate on that point.

They have to import meat.

A validation process is in place. That is why I said we sent it out to the trade on Sunday evening.

They have to import pork to process so we can get back up and running.

That is happening. That is the problem.

If processor X sources a supply of pigs from farm Y, and farm Y can validly prove to the Department veterinary people and the FSAI——

Many processors are not slaughtering.

——that it has sourced pigs that had no connection with any of the farms or any of that feed, those people have the potential to be back in operation since Monday morning. That is very important. The trade notice that was issued stated:

All pigmeat and pigmeat products produced from Irish pigs slaughtered from 7 December 2008 must be labelled in a manner that distinguishes it from other products produced to date. Bord Bia will design an appropriate label in this regard.

On a point of order, if that trade notice went out and the product is verifiable, why is stock not back on the shelves in pork butchers throughout the country?

That is not a point of order.

I am talking about facilitating the people who slaughter. The trade notice also stated: "As and from 7 December 2008, pigs may not be slaughtered unless they are accompanied by a document indicating the source(s) of the animal feed used in the holding of origin." That clarification went out on Sunday evening or night to the trade.

In response to Deputy Johnny Brady, I said earlier that discussions are ongoing. It is in everybody's interests to try to get them concluded. The processor Deputy Enright mentioned slaughters approximately 50% of the country's total pig production in a year. There are a number of major players that it is essential to have back in operation, some of whom are in my county and also in the midlands and the south.

The Minister did not answer Deputy Brady's question on where they will be rendered.

The Minister might answer that in his response to Deputy Naughten.

The Government's decision on Saturday to take contaminated meat off the shelves was correct. When will the post-recall Bord Bia label be available? Why did the FSAI risk analysis come out only after the withdrawal of product from the shelves? Why was that not available before the decision to implement a total recall was made? When were the FSAI and the chief medical officer of the Department of Health and Children initially contacted about the contamination risk? Tests were taken on Tuesday and sent to the UK for confirmation. In his last response the Minister said the plant involved was closed on Wednesday, yet the product was identified with a positive test result on Monday. Why the two day delay?

The Dutch authorities contacted the Department and the FSAI on Friday evening, subsequent to our Department's publication of the notice that we had restricted farms. The communication came from the Dutch authorities on the Friday to both the Department and the FSAI.

Does that mean the information on it came out on Friday?

Sorry — the question referred to the domestic context. The Department communicated with the FSAI from the first indication of worry. The chief medical officer at the Department of Health and Children was involved from Saturday morning. The man only took up his job on Thursday, but he was contacted.

The FSAI has been in contact with the European Food Safety Authority. On Saturday we received confirmation of the laboratory tests from York. The right decision was made based on the scientific evidence, as the Deputy would understand better than most. It was the right decision. We had no time to think about segregating products as this might leave doubt in people's minds about the safety and quality of Irish pork products.

When will the label be available?

It was finished on Monday. To clarify, a few different prototype labels were made, and I saw them on Monday.

The Minister says he will come to an agreement with the industry as soon as possible. We are now in a crisis. Pig farmers and workers in the industry are desperate. Can the Minister get this sorted out today? It will have to be sorted some day and it is better done now.

When was the first test carried out on farms other than pig farms? Can the Minister confirm that it was the last week of September? How many people have been laid off, and how many more does the Minister expect to be laid off if nothing is done? Can the Minister accept that pig farmers are in an extraordinary situation? The problems with the banks were never sorted out and they are under pressure not just from the point of view of pigs but also from their lending institutions.

I want to be clear about this. Indicative tests on a sample of pork fat routinely taken under the Department's national residue monitoring programme were found to be positive for non-dioxin-like marker PCBs at the Department's laboratory at Backweston. That was on Friday 28 November, not September. Deputy Crawford, Deputy Ó Caoláin and I know many pig producers and people working in the industry. Over the years, this industry has unfortunately had a crisis every two or three years. I know the pressures many are under with regard to the banks, and I have conveyed to the banks our determination to ensure the industry gets going as quickly as possible. They are well aware of the Government's interest in ensuring that processing, which is the kernel of all activity in this area, starts again. I assure Deputy Crawford that we are particularly concerned about this issue and anxious to get stocks out again.

At this critical time, what plans are being put in place to promote sales of pigmeat and pigmeat products domestically and internationally when processing recommences? Can the Minister reassure the industry sector that processing will start as quickly as possible at this crucial time for producers, processors and consumers?

An extremely important point was made by Deputy Creed and others. On Sunday, through the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, and his Department's senior management, we contacted all our embassies in the relevant countries and appraised them of the situation. We gave them a particular message to get out to the markets. Bord Bia has been in discussion with people who have been active promoters and purchasers of Irish products. Enterprise Ireland is also involved. We are taking an Ireland House approach to this issue. There is a synergy as our State agencies work together at political level, and we will continue to promote, as quickly as possible, Ireland's re-entry to these important markets.

Was there anything unusual about the inspection regime of this plant compared to other food recycling or milling plants? Were none of them inspected in 2008, or was this the only one that was not inspected?

When did the Department first actually suspect there was a problem? I can assume that if the Dutch were concerned about it last September, there must have been some communication — not about Ireland, obviously, but about a problem with dioxins. When did the Department first suspect it had a real problem?

A sample of pork was taken in a pig processing facility——

Is that the date the Minister is talking about? That was the date the Department first found out.

Yes. That was the first time. There was no indication from anybody before that. When the Dutch authorities were sampling products, this included products from any number of countries, so they could not pinpoint where it came from.

Did the Dutch circulate every country with that fact?

We circulate within the European Union——

No, but did the Dutch circulate the information to Ireland at that time?

No. We had no word from anybody.

So the Department had no knowledge of that.

No. The Dutch had no grounds to circulate the information to anybody because they had not identified the source or traced the problem back to a particular place. It was our investigations that initiated the train of actions that occurred.

I also asked about the inspection regime at the plant.

Immediately on——

I am talking about actual investigations — going into the plant.

The Department examined where this particular pig producer was sourcing its supply of feed, and then immediately went to the facility and obtained the customer list.

That is not the question.

What is the question?

Was there any difference between the inspection regime of this plant and those of all other milling or recycling plants?

No. The previous inspection——

So none of them was inspected?

No. I did not say that. I am talking about the facility in Carlow. The previous inspections did not show up any problems.

How did the regime compare with those of other plants?

Is the Deputy talking about similar food-milling operations?

Yes, milling plants or recycling plants.

I have no information with me, but I will communicate with the Deputy this evening in that regard.

What about the frequency of inspection of other plants?

I am moving on. I will take Deputies Sheehan, Aylward and Timmins briefly, as we are running out of time.

On a point of order, we have only had one question from this side of the House so far.

We have had none here, a Cheann Comhairle.

In the Minister's speech to the House he said, "At 3.40 p.m. on Saturday, 6 September, the Central Science Laboratory in York confirmed the presence of dioxins in the pork fat samples and the decision was taken immediately that all Irish pork products from pigs slaughtered since 1 September should be recalled". When did the Minister get the results of that laboratory testing in York? The notice was issued at 3.40 p.m. Was it issued from York? Is the Minister confident that this is the only one of the 45 registered food business operators that was using this oil for drying purposes?

I have been here for the last hour and a half and I would like answers to my few brief questions. Can the Minister confirm that feedstuffs from the plant in question were inspected during the year? I am unclear about the position of processors. What has the Minister said to the processor whose factory is full of meat from animals killed since 1 September and meat that has been returned to him? What is he to do with it?

This is unclear. Has the Minister communicated this information to processors? Can a traceability system similar to that for beef be put in place for pork? Can the Minister confirm the number of farms that are involved in this? Has the number stayed the same or changed over the period? I refer to the number of farms that have received this feed for pigs.

Even before the dust has settled and notwithstanding the Minister's statement that the authorities here exceeded the EU regulations with regard to inspections, does he accept that the level of inspection of this type of facility, food business operators, was inadequate? We are told that one inspection was scheduled for the end of the year and conveniently this has not happened. Given the fact that this particular facility — I do not know about the others — had a local authority licence for recycling other materials and that a range of activities were being carried on, does he accept that the level of inspection was not acceptable?

All the product has been taken off the shelves. Is there any way that anything other than secondary processed foods, such as primary processed foods can be traced and would not have to be discarded? My third question is related to my first question. What is the reason for the delay in having the laboratory in Backweston operational? Has the fact it is not operational any effect on the cost and frequency of the number of tests carried out? I note from the website that this facility should have been open months ago.

With regard to Deputy Doyle's point about Backweston which is a very modern, sophisticated laboratory——

It is not open.

No, that is not correct——

It is not carrying out dioxin tests.

It is very much open and that is where the PCBs were identified. The situation is that a dioxin analysis element within it has not yet been validated and that is in the process of being established and being validated. There are some scientists here in the House who could explain it better. There has been significant investment in the laboratory and excellent work is being carried out there. The validation process with regard to a dioxin facility — if I can put it that way — is expected to be validated by February or March 2009. That process has been happening for some time. It is not a question of establishing a laboratory and then expecting it to give the results.

I question the frequency of testing.

Deputy O'Dowd asked about the other food business operator plants. Nothing unusual was noted in premises inspected. Other plants are inspected once or twice a year as well and nothing unusual was detected in any of those particular plants.

It was not inspected at all.

They were inspected. If Deputy Reilly had been here earlier he would have heard——

I ask the Minister to answer the questions and take no interruptions because we cannot allow them. We have very little time.

Deputy Timmins asked about the number of farms confirmed earlier today and the number is 45. In the words of the chief veterinary officer at the Department, there was a very thorough investigation of the central database of the Department with regard to herd movements and there could have been some movement of cattle from a number of farms but not the feed supply provided to those farms. I wish to make that point strongly.

I call Deputy Upton and then Deputy Scanlon and Deputy Penrose.

On a point of order, I asked four questions and the Minister only answered one. The other questions were about the inspection of feedstuffs. What is the Minister telling the person in the factory? I am getting telephone calls from a man who has the stuff in his factory and he does not know what to do. What are we saying to him? What about the traceability of pork? Can a scheme similar to beef traceability be put in place?

With regard to traceability of pork, I will take the last question. I apologise to Deputy Timmins because the other people were interrupting his questions.

Pigs are identified by farm of origin, they are not identified individually. Traceability of pork at slaughter and afterwards is on the basis of batch produced which may be a day's production. My understanding is that this is the system operating throughout the world. If a big customer for a plant had a particular requirement for absolute traceability in regard to all primal cuts, there could be a production line devoted entirely to one particular customer or it could be a half day's slaughtering, processing or whatever. When the pig is slaughtered and processed, that foodstuff meat goes in many directions. Sometimes a customer may require that specific traceability for the primal cuts and that can happen with the current systems. The traceability of pigs is concerned with the moving off the holdings to the processing plants. Our identification system is totally in accordance with the European Union regulations and those systems have come into place in recent years.

What does the processor do now if something has to be stored?

The Food Safety Authority of Ireland and the Department have put in place a system. If the processor can validate that the product which was slaughtered and processed came from a pig herd which did not come into contact with the contaminated feedstuff, the two agencies working together can validate product for that processor.

Does this include the produce that came back from the shops?

No. We are talking about the recall of what was on the market. With regard to Deputy Sheehan's point, we got the e-mail or the telephone call at 3.40 p.m. on Saturday——

The 6 September was stated.

The 6 September——

At 3.40 p.m. on Saturday, 6 September.

I call Deputy Upton.

We have problems in our constituencies as well.

I apologise to Deputy Sheehan. That is a typographical error which I did not see and I apologise to the House. I am sure the Deputy knew it was not September.

I call Deputy Upton.

On a point of order. The Minister is misleading the House. He was asked a question. Is there traceability in the pig industry or is there not?

Yes, there is. I remind Deputy McHugh I read it out to the House.

Deputy McHugh is not in order.

He is out of order.

The Minister is avoiding the question.

I call Deputy Upton. I can only take three more speakers. I will call Deputies Upton, Scanlon and Penrose as there is a large amount of business backing up and I have ten more Members offering.

I wish to put it on the record of the House that I believe the right decision was taken, as does the Labour Party. It was a difficult decision but the fall-out would have been much worse if it had not been taken.

Were marker PCBs tested for with regard to the product in that factory in 2006 to 2007, or did that arise? Do we know how long this particular fuel or oil was in use in the factory? Is there a paper trail? With regard to the testing regime for dioxins, what is the delay that arose as a result of us not having our own testing regime? Was it a delay of a day or a week or some other time? What is the impact, if any, of this?

Everybody accepts that the right decision was taken. With regard to the process for turning bread into animal feed, because bread is made up of so much moisture, it has to be dried at a very high temperature. If it is the case that the packaging on the bread and on whatever other product was used, was not removed and possibly at the high temperature melted into the feed, could this be the cause of these PCBs in the food chain?

Finally I call Deputy Penrose.

I have two brief questions. How does the Government plan to dispose of the thousands of tonnes of contaminated products being returned in containers from abroad and the contaminated products in cold stores here? Second, is it time to consider a food supremo who will pull together all responsibilities of the multifarious number of agencies currently involved under the one person who would answer all questions and be responsible to the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food or preferably to the Department of the Taoiseach?

With regard to Deputy Upton's point, PCBs are tested for in the feeding process. With regard to her point about Backweston laboratory and the dioxin facility, I am assured that it would have been a delay of a day at the very most. The Department officials are convinced that it was less than a day but rather a matter of hours.

With regard to Deputy Penrose's point and it was a point also raised by Deputy Johnny Brady, the disposal would have a classification of rendering category 1. On Sunday evening we met the major retailers and the representative group of retailers in regard to advising them on setting up dialogue with the Food Safety Authority of Ireland and the Department's vets on the question of the disposal of product. Deputy Scanlon's point about the need to have the product——

I was referring to the wrapping on the bread used.

I have been informed that the wrapping is taken off by machines before the product, the unused food, goes back into the process.

I will allow some more questions but I must point out the consequences. The debate on the Lisbon treaty will be squeezed and badly so. I will allow questions from Deputies Penrose, Ó Caoláin and Durkan.

On a point of order, a Cheann Comhairle, will there be an opportunity for Members on this side of the House to ask more questions because we are representing people affected too?

Deputies

Members on that side of the House have had plenty of chances to ask questions.

The questions seem to be concentrating on the midlands but there is also a pork processing plant in County Donegal.

There is. As Deputy Penrose has left the Chamber, I will allow Deputy Gallagher to ask a question.

With regard to the compensation the Government is seeking and intending to secure, will the Minister confirm that it will apply to farmers, producers, processors and those involved in producing higher value-added products who are based in the pork and bacon sector? Will he indicate what steps, if any, he is considering to take or has taken to ensure cash flow and credit from the Irish banks for those involved in the sector? This is particularly apt given the Government's critical involvement with the Irish banking sector after the recent so-called rescue package. Will he indicate how quickly the evaluation process will be concluded in order to allow post-recall products back on to the market? Could he please repeat his answer to Deputy Scanlon because he gave it with his back to the microphone and the rest of the Chamber did not hear what he had to say?

Deputy Ó Caoláin normally does not listen to me.

Very briefly, Deputy Durkan. We are way over time.

If we do not have time for full replies, could we have detailed written replies? What are the criteria for the licensing of animal feed suppliers? Are samples supplied? To what extent are there follow-up inspections? What is the liability attached to the supply of animal feeds, given that it affects the food chain? Is it product liability or is insurance cover provided?

The agriculture laboratory at Backweston, County Kildare, was opened before the last general election. The presumption was that it would be up and running and fully effective by now. Why was it opened before the last election? Will the Minister explain to the House what the laboratory has been doing in the meantime and why it has not been accredited?

Will the Minister be in communication with the banks to ensure they work in a fair and reasonable manner when dealing with those affected in this sector? Can the Minister advise me — if not now, later — if these recalled pork products could be fed to mink? Two miles from the Donegal pork processing plant, which I spent two hours at yesterday, there is a mink farm. Rather than transporting the products to a rendering category 1 plant in other parts of the country, transporting it to this farm should be considered.

They will be fat mink.

I accept the Minister and the officials in both Departments are under pressure but it is important communications are fast between them, the officials on the ground and the factories. If bacon is imported from other countries, we need confirmation from Department officials that it is safe to sell. I thank the Minister for his continued hands-on approach to this matter.

I thank Deputy Gallagher who was on to me over the past several days on issues concerning processing in County Donegal. I will return to him on the mink farm alternative to rendering. We will continue to ensure there is adequate and immediate dialogue between the processing sector, the retailers, the Food Safety Authority of Ireland and departmental and local authority veterinarians.

I remember the day the Backweston laboratory was opened. Deputy Durkan was the first man up to the cameras welcoming the development. He was quite right to do so because it is an excellent facility, one of which we should be proud. It was that facility that identified the particular problem that arose. We should be thankful that we have people working to high standards in top-class facilities. The dioxin facility has not yet been validated but should be by February or March.

I do not have any particular relationship with the banking sector, only an overdraft. Yesterday, we made it clear to the banking sector that we were anxious that it would take account of the present serious difficulties involved in the pork sector, including those experienced by primary producers and processors. That has been conveyed in no uncertain terms to the banks.

The Minister did not answer my question on the evaluation process. I asked the question twice.

Please, Deputy, I must move on. We are way over time.

The most immediate problem is to get the processing sector up and working again. If it is not working, there will be problems everywhere. We have been concentrating on this at official and at political level, as well as the processors, the IFA and other representative groups. That is the way it will continue and how it will be brought to a successful conclusion.

How is the Minister going to do that?

I should not but I will take brief questions from Deputies Bannon, Ferris and Reilly and I have to close it then.

Was the Government or anyone in the Department aware of the problem with pork products in late September and early October? Does the Government now acknowledge the need for a full ministerial position with responsibility for food to safeguard producers and consumers alike?

The Minister claimed that the contaminated registered feed business was inspected in 2006 and 2007 and was due for inspection this month. Was there any indication in the previous inspections about the premise's modus operandi , in particular the type of equipment being used at the source of the contamination? Was an EPA licence part of the criteria for the premises when it was first started?

I thank you, a Cheann Comhairle, for extending the debate.

The problem is another debate is going to be restricted.

I will stick to questions then. This side of the House is agreed that public health is of prime concern in this case and that the producers need to be looked after too. Is there any evidence that the oil used in the drying process came from across the Border? I am aware of plants that dry wheat being offered inferior quality oil from the UK. I hope this practice is stopped by the Minister. Was it part of the EU audit's remit to assess the drying process and the fuel tanks storing the oil? What are the plans for the disposal of all of this pork product?

As I said earlier, product that cannot be used will be disposed by category 1 rendering. On Sunday, we met the retailers who will be sending their product back to the processors. The Department will oversee this to ensure the products are properly disposed.

With regard to Deputy Bannon's question, there is no issue with September. It was November when the Department traced it. The Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, with responsibility for food and horticulture, Deputy Trevor Sargent, is doing an excellent job. I appreciate Deputy Bannon's support for his work.

Let the Minister finish now.

The EPA is carrying out an investigation on the oil used in the process. It is not appropriate for me to comment at this stage until I get the full report.

I will take Deputies McEntee and McHugh. We are way out of time.

The Minister did not answer Deputy Ferris's question.

Please Deputy Ó Caoláin. We have to move on.

Will all the four category 1 rendering plants be used? A court case is being taken by the EPA against one of these plants. Can the Minister assure the people in that area that the rendering plant will not be used? We must look after the people of Nobber, Deputy Brady.

Finally, we have Deputy McHugh, followed by the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food.

I ask the Minister to personally intervene in the North-South issue. Deputy Blaney raised the matter but the Minister did not answer it. Pig producers have sourced their feed in Northern Ireland and send their pigs to Northern Ireland to be slaughtered. At the moment they are not being facilitated. I ask the Minister to intervene, through the North-South Ministerial Council, to see if we can get some process going. This pigmeat has not been affected.

The critical issue is getting the processing plants up and running again. Does the Minister have a plan to intervene with the major processors? The Minister mentioned that smaller abattoirs are up and running but the major processors will decide if we have a future in the pork industry.

Regarding Deputy McEntee's point, the Department, in conjunction with the Environmental Protection Agency, will decide which facilities will be used. It will not be me; I do not have the scientific competence to decide that. The Department's approach will be based on safety and proper facilities to be used to dispose of a product.

Regarding the point made by Deputy McHugh, my Department is in daily contact with the Department of Agriculture and Rural Development in Northern Ireland. All issues relevant to the problem we have North and South are being addressed as best we can. It will continue in that way.

I thank the Minister, Deputy Smith, for answering well beyond the allotted time.

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