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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 2 Dec 2010

Vol. 723 No. 5

Local Government (Mayor and Regional Authority of Dublin) Bill 2010: Second Stage (Resumed)

Question again proposed: "That the Bill now be read a Second Time."
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:
"Dáil Éireann—
(a) recognising the potential value for the Greater Dublin area of a directly elected Mayor, adequately resourced and with appropriate powers;
(b) notes the next local elections are not due to be held until 2014, and believes that it would be preferable for any election of a new Mayor to be held in conjunction with those elections;
(c) concerned at the potential cost of the new position and of the new Regional Authority for Dublin and the staffing levels that will be required to facilitate the Authority and the Mayor and having regard to the serious economic crisis facing the country,
resolves that the Local Government (Mayor and Regional Authority of Dublin) Bill 2010 be deemed to be read a second time on this date in 2012.".
—(Deputy Ciarán Lynch).

In his earlier address to the House, Deputy Phil Hogan said the principle of a directly elected mayor of Dublin will find political favour with Fine Gael, but before this happens the Minister must bring forward a White Paper on local government, as was promised in 2008. It is a bit like putting the cart before the horse with €2.8 million being cut from the social welfare budget. It is time that the Green Party gave up the ghost on the directly elected mayor project.

The introduction of a directly elected mayor, at a cost of €10 million plus annually, is hypocritical when there are more than 400,000 people on the dole. At a time when the IMF, the ECB and the EU are holding our purse-strings, does the Minister, Deputy Gormley, want us to look like fools? There is a time and a place for all things, but this is not the time and Dublin is not yet the place for this idea. Dublin is neither New York nor Barcelona and I believe we can survive without a directly elected mayor for now.

What powers would a directly elected mayor have? Very few at present. Such a mayor would not be involved in the day-to-day running of the city, but would merely sit on an advisory board of the National Transport Authority. In addition, the mayor would have no power over the city's budget and no role in policies on housing, waste disposal, planning or water. The balance would always rest with the local authority.

At a time when the Government is borrowing €85 billion, how in God's name can the Minister justify this budget for a directly elected mayor? This is nothing more than a vanity project for the Greens.

I fully support the idea of a directly elected mayor, chosen by the people of Dublin, but only if the position has real and positive power. It should not just be a job for the boys. There are many more worthy causes at present, such as maintaining home help services, keeping community schemes afloat, and giving back the Christmas bonus to those in need.

During my time as Lord Mayor of Dublin I was struck by the respect and loyalty people had for the office. On many occasions, I was deeply moved and humbled by people's approach to a visit of the lord mayor to their community. The lord mayor's office gives people a sense of pride. It was evident to me that the citizens of Dublin embraced the role of the lord mayor as one of their own, and not just a figurehead surrounded by pomp and ceremony.

As one who has had the privilege of being Dublin's first citizen, I know the office of lord mayor is a vital link with the community and local authorities. There is a role for both a lord mayor and a mayor of Dublin, but it is how we approach this role that will make the difference to our city. However, the directly elected mayor project is a waste of time and money at a time when this country is seeking a helping hand. We should get our own house in order before deciding to proceed in that way. The Minister is not living in the real world. He is caught up in his own fantasy land. Our country is broke so the Minister, Deputy Gormley, and the rest of his Green fairies should pack up and leave before the walls come tumbling down on their cosy little cartel. I totally object to the position of a directly elected mayor of Dublin at this time.

This is a nonsensical Bill. It is a vanity project as well as being a waste of time and money. Fingal County Council has put the price of this post at between €8 million and €10 million recurring. These costs will be foisted on the ratepayers of Fingal and other Dublin council areas at a time when businesses are hanging on by their fingernails. The recession was created by the very Minister who now wants to impose this useless position on the public. I am honoured to be speaking after Deputy Catherine Byrne, a former Lord Mayor of Dublin, who understands the value of that role. However, what this Bill proposes is nonsensical. There will be very little influence in terms of waste management, water, transport or planning. It really is a disgraceful waste of money and I utterly oppose it in its current form.

We are taking this legislation today instead of the multi-unit development Bill because the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Gormley, is obsessed by this particular provision. It is not merely a vanity project, it is also a token of the Greens' contribution to Government. It is extraordinary that, at a time of economic cataclysm when we should be debating the EU-IMF Programme of Financial Support for Ireland, the Minister has chosen to give priority to this issue.

During the 2007 general election campaign, there was a perception that the Greens were a harmless bunch who were worth a vote to protect the environment. We now know that the Greens are more economically illiterate and incompetent than Fianna Fáil. That is clearly evidenced by the fact that they are a party to this document and to the description of the problems in the Irish economy contained in this document, for which they are accountable and substantially responsible with their Fianna Fáil colleagues in government.

The Irish people will never again be fooled by fellows arriving at the gates of Leinster House arming themselves with a leek in one hand and a bicycle in the other. The reality is that the EU-IMF document before us, is the ignominious epitaph of the worst Government in the history of the State. It is absolutely extraordinary to debate this Bill from a Minister who, when addressing these issues in the House yesterday, said there were limited choices when in government, yet he chose to prioritise this issue today. He referred to the Government as being an asylum. It may be politically incorrect to say so, but — in the context of the financial cataclysm that has hit the country, and their weird political priorities today — the Green and Fianna Fáil members of the Government have proved conclusively that the lunatics are truly running the asylum.

How long do I have to speak?

About 90 seconds.

I think I am sharing with Deputy Stanton.

I am due to call the Minister of State to reply,but he will accommodate the Deputies.

The speaking arrangements are as reflective of the organisation and administration of this House as is the futility of bring forward this useless Bill. What we say in this House will go unheeded, but I will make one point as the Minister of State with responsibility for housing, Deputy Finneran, is present.

Local authorities should open up the boarded-up houses around the country and get tenants into them. When undertaking housing assessments, they should differentiate between housing needs and housing desire. Millions of euro have been spent on unnecessary rent supplement.

We should have a full debate on local government reform in Ireland. If something is broken, it should be fixed rather than added to. This Bill is a smokescreen and is adding to the problem. We should have a proper debate on local government. This Government has only a few weeks left in office. It is wrong for a Government on the way out to impose this on people. This ludicrous suggestion should be parked so that we can have a proper debate on local and national government in Ireland. The new Government, of whichever hue, should take this up. This Bill will make reform more difficult and I call on all right-minded Deputies to vote against it. They should do something sensible for once. This applies particularly to Deputies representing Dublin. We need a national debate on local government reform. We should not put a band aid on when it will make no difference. It will cost a lot of money and represents another layer of bureaucracy.

I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Finneran, for granting me some of his time. As the capital city with 1 million people, there is a clear need for a mayor in the future and I have always supported such a proposal. There is a major role for the mayor in terms of economic development and being an economic driver for the Dublin region. This is good for Ireland as much as for Dublin. I see the mayor being involved in water and sewerage and waste management. We might not have the dispute with Covanta if a directly elected mayor had those powers. Such a mayor could also have a hands-on involvement with the fire service. In that event we would not have the unseemly row in Swords where a dispute between the HSE and the fire brigade will effectively remove a very badly needed ambulance from the fire service in Swords. The latter service had 4,500 emergency calls last year.

One can see the benefit of mayors in other cities. Examples include Rudy Giuliani in New York, whose zero tolerance policy got rid of anti-social activity. He became renowned and respected for this. This Bill is premature because we have five layers of bureaucracy in Dublin. We have the four Dublin local authorities and the Dublin regional authority. Having spoken to Fingal County Council, I have no doubt there will be extra costs involved. I see the need for a mayor in the future but having a directly elected mayor in 2011, in advance of the 2014 local elections, is premature. I ask the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to reconsider this matter in the national interest. If the IMF looks closely at what we are doing, it will have reasons to question this. I will vote for this Bill——

Perhaps next spring, if Fine Gael is in government——

Deputy Kennedy cannot be serious. That is hypocritical. It is daft.

——Deputy Stanton will have the same problems as me. This is part of the Fianna Fáil-Green Party programme for Government and as a member of Fianna Fáil I will support the Bill. However, I have clearly signalled my reservations and it would be welcome if the Minister sees fit to defer it until 2014.

He will not be there.

I thank all the Deputies who spoke during this debate for their contributions. It is important that a measure like this, which is about strengthening the democratic process, should have the fullest possible consideration by elected representatives. A hallmark of this legislation has been the fact that it has been the subject of a very open and extensive process of consultation, particularly in the context of the Green Paper on local government. This has greatly informed the provisions in the Bill, as well as the development of policy on local government reform generally.

In his opening speech the Minister, Deputy Gormley, acknowledged that the establishment of a directly elected regional mayor has met with some scepticism in certain quarters, which he ascribed in part to lack of understanding. For example, one newspaper, in its determination to find some crumbs of criticism, proffered the line that the mayor will not be able to interfere in the day-to-day running of bus or rail services in the capital or increase or decrease public transport fares. It is ironic, at a time when there is wide acceptance of the need to maximise efficiency and to rationalise public administration, to read suggestions that a regional mayor should become involved in day-to-day operational details, duplicating the role of the agencies that have the job of the day-to-day running of services. It is not desirable that the mayor spend his or her time tampering with fare structures or interfering with bus routes. Indeed, a number of speakers during the debate stressed that the office of mayor should not duplicate bureaucracy, which it certainly will not.

I welcome the fact that Fine Gael seems to support the principle of this measure. However, the party is putting about several misconceptions, some of which seem to be informed, or rather misinformed, by the sort of newspaper comment that I have cited. For example, Deputy Hogan wrongly claimed that the mayor would only have a civic or ceremonial role, that the mayor would not have power or influence, that there would be increases in taxes or charges, savings arising from the efficiency review would be gobbled up and new quangos would be created. All of these are incorrect.

Several Deputies spoke about proliferating quangos. The reality, as set out in the Bill, is contrary to these Deputies' impression. The four city and county development boards that currently exist will be merged into one regional development board, chaired by the mayor. That amounts to three fewer structures. The regional authority of Dublin will replace the existing regional authority. In doing so, the membership will be reduced from 30 to 16. That is a reduction of 14 members. I could go on but I hope I have made my point.

Deputies Brian Hayes, Mitchell and Creighton repeated some of Deputy Hogan's misunderstandings but they made some interesting points, particularly on wider local government issues, such as comments to the effect that there is need to address local government funding, amalgamate local authorities, have greater leadership in local government in Dublin and nationally, strengthen local government powers and functions and reduce the number of bodies and meetings. Deputy Mitchell commented that local government has the potential to transform the lives of people in Dublin and elsewhere, a view that is in line with the principles underlying the present legislation. However, her criticism of the division of the old Dublin County Council into three local authorities is somewhat ironic given that this process started under her party's Government in the 1980s, a change that was motivated to address the malpractices and inefficiencies associated with the previous regime.

Deputy Hayes seemed to struggle to come up with real criticism of the proposal and offered a rather bizarre comment that the mayor will not be able to interfere on a day-to-day basis with transport and traffic details. As the Minister of State, Deputy Cuffe, eloquently pointed out, what is required in the context of the directly elected mayor is strong strategies and strong policies. To suggest that the mayor should be involved in minor matters like moving bus stops or changing DART timetables undermines the Opposition attempt to discredit the legislation on grounds that the mayor would have insufficient power. I respect the right to criticise but I have no doubt the speakers on the Opposition benches who have the interests of local government at heart will, in time, come to acknowledge that their initial stance on the Dublin mayor was mistaken.

Deputy Creighton voiced some forthright views, such as the need to reduce bureaucracy, replace local councils with regional assemblies, reduce the number of local authorities, abolish smaller local authorities and reduce the number of councillors. Some of the views expressed in this debate will be relevant in the context of ongoing development of policy relating to local government. Moreover, efficiencies and savings will, of course, be pursued arising from the report of the local government efficiency review group. Deputy Ciarán Lynch acknowledged that the mayoral proposal was a good idea, but took issue with the legislation which, again, seems to reflect misunderstandings. I cannot see any merit in his proposal to defer the legislation. There has been far too much long-fingering of local government reform over the years and indeed decades. As the Minister said in his opening speech, there is a need for innovation in local government, and in other sectors, as an essential element in addressing the challenges that we face. To defer the mayoral proposal would be to succumb yet again to complacency and stagnation.

In supporting the Bill, Deputy O'Connor suggested that the powers of the office should be outlined. I am pleased to reiterate those powers. The Bill provides a substantial role for the authority in the core areas of planning, water, waste and transport, but also on a wider range of functions such as promoting enterprise and innovation, and promoting co-operation and joint action in a number of sectors such as business, educational, voluntary and cultural activity. Moreover, the Bill vests a number of powers specifically in the office of mayor, including the very important power to take on the function of making regional plans in certain circumstances and to issue directions and guidelines as well as an entirely new power to issue recommendations to local authorities on budgetary matters.

Deputy Upton said that what is clearly required is an office that is accountable to the electorate. The fact that the mayor will be directly elected to represent a population of more than 1 million people addresses this point emphatically. This region-wide electoral mandate and the mayor's position as chair of the authority ensure that the office holder will have primacy in the new arrangements. However, I am aware that the Minister is considering some further specific amendments on Committee Stage, in the light of views that have been expressed, to help further underpin the mayor's status and authority.

There seemed to be some contradictions in Deputy Upton's comments. She said that the proposed mayor would have planning powers over counties where residents would not have a right to vote in the mayoral election. She then went on to remark that, for the office to be effective in co-ordinating land use and transportation policy, it must intervene in areas outside the Dublin city and county area. The need for such co-ordination is a key reason the mayor will have a role in regional planning guidelines for the greater Dublin area, GDA, including Kildare, Meath and Wicklow. However, the guidelines will be adopted also by the Mid-East Regional Authority, so there is no question of foisting a Dublin agenda on its neighbours.

Deputy Ó Snodaigh asked about the role in respect of tourism. Dublin is critically important to the nation's tourism industry and the role that the mayor will play in enhancing the capital's profile internationally is bound to provide an important boost to the sector. Tourism is, equally, very important to the economic success of the Dublin region and that will be reflected in the mayor's role and that of the regional development board in promoting the economic development of the region.

Deputy Clune claimed that there will be no opportunity for somebody with ambition in the office of mayor to prepare a draft manifesto spelling out how he or she believes the city can operate. That is incorrect. The mayor will be obliged to publish a regional strategy within six months. I understand that the Minister is proposing to strengthen this provision on Committee Stage by requiring greater detail regarding policies and measures proposed and public consultation.

A specific concern expressed by Deputy Noel Ahern was that there would be joint sessions of the Dublin regional authority and the Mid-East Regional Authority in which Dublin would have fewer members. I assume he is referring to the adoption of the regional planning guidelines. I can allay his concern in that regard as regional plans will, in future, be adopted by each of the regional authorities rather than in a joint session.

The success of the mayor will require a good working relationship with the local authorities. Deputy Noel Ahern made some interesting points about service on a local authority, including the fact that members sometimes do not realise, or fully utilise, the powers already available to them. Similarly, Deputy Tuffy pointed out that councillors can and have achieved much. There is a lot of truth in these points, but Deputy Noel Ahern also referred to the need to transfer some power from the manager. Having a directly elected mayor as the primary local government office in the Dublin region will make an important contribution to rebalancing the member-executive relationship.

I will conclude with a quotation from Professor Convery: "With a bit of luck...the Government's proposals for a directly-elected mayor of Dublin will be approved, and most of us will, in time, know who our mayor is, and be proud."

Question put: "That the words proposed to be deleted stand."
The Dáil divided: Tá, 72; Níl, 65.

  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, Barry.
  • Andrews, Chris.
  • Ardagh, Seán.
  • Aylward, Bobby.
  • Behan, Joe.
  • Blaney, Niall.
  • Brady, Áine.
  • Brady, Cyprian.
  • Brady, Johnny.
  • Browne, John.
  • Byrne, Thomas.
  • Calleary, Dara.
  • Carey, Pat.
  • Collins, Niall.
  • Conlon, Margaret.
  • Connick, Seán.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cregan, John.
  • Cuffe, Ciarán.
  • Curran, John.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • Devins, Jimmy.
  • Fahey, Frank.
  • Finneran, Michael.
  • Fitzpatrick, Michael.
  • Flynn, Beverley.
  • Gogarty, Paul.
  • Gormley, John.
  • Hanafin, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hoctor, Máire.
  • Kelleher, Billy.
  • Kelly, Peter.
  • Kennedy, Michael.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lenihan, Conor.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • McGrath, Mattie.
  • McGrath, Michael.
  • Martin, Micheál
  • Moloney, John.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Mulcahy, Michael.
  • Nolan, M.J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
  • O’Brien, Darragh.
  • O’Connor, Charlie.
  • O’Dea, Willie.
  • O’Donoghue, John.
  • O’Hanlon, Rory.
  • O’Keeffe, Batt.
  • O’Rourke, Mary.
  • O’Sullivan, Christy.
  • O’Sullivan, Maureen.
  • Power, Peter.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Roche, Dick.
  • Ryan, Eamon.
  • Sargent, Trevor.
  • Scanlon, Eamon.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • White, Mary Alexandra.
  • Woods, Michael.

Níl

  • Bannon, James.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Broughan, Thomas P.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Ulick.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Byrne, Catherine.
  • Clune, Deirdre.
  • Coonan, Noel J.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Coveney, Simon.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Creighton, Lucinda.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • Doherty, Pearse.
  • Doyle, Andrew.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • English, Damien.
  • Feighan, Frank.
  • Ferris, Martin.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Flanagan, Terence.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Hayes, Brian.
  • Hayes, Tom.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Hogan, Phil.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Lynch, Ciarán.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McEntee, Shane.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McGrath, Finian.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Naughten, Denis.
  • Neville, Dan.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • O’Donnell, Kieran.
  • O’Dowd, Fergus.
  • O’Keeffe, Jim.
  • O’Mahony, John.
  • O’Sullivan, Jan.
  • Penrose, Willie.
  • Perry, John.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Reilly, James.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Shatter, Alan.
  • Sheahan, Tom.
  • Sheehan, P.J.
  • Sherlock, Seán.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Stanton, David.
  • Timmins, Billy.
  • Tuffy, Joanna.
  • Upton, Mary.
  • Varadkar, Leo.
  • Wall, Jack.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies John Cregan and John Curran; Níl, Deputies Emmet Stagg and Paul Kehoe.
Question declared carried.
Amendment declared lost.

I declare the Bill read a Second Time in accordance with Standing Order 121(2)(i).

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