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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 19 Dec 2013

Vol. 825 No. 3

Water Services (No.2) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed)

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The efficient, clean and cost effective delivery of water services is a very important policy area. As water services authorities, 34 city and county councils are currently responsible for the delivery and operation of water and wastewater infrastructure. In Ireland in 2010, water services cost over €1.2 billion to run, with a resulting funding gap of around €1 billion after revenues from non-domestic charges has been taken into account. At the same time, Ireland is the only OECD country not to charge households directly for the water they consume.

This Government has undertaken to reform water services arising from commitments in the programme for Government and the troika agreement. The Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013 is the second piece of legislation required to implement the Government's policy for the reform of water services in Ireland, including the introduction of domestic water charges. There has been an historic under-investment in water and ageing and poor quality infrastructure exists in some areas. As an EU member state, Ireland has certain obligations arising from the need to comply with the water framework directive, including financial obligations. In addition, the current economic climate and its implications for Exchequer resources also form part of the context within which funding of essential services such as water provision need to be considered.

Ireland's drinking water supplies are under pressure from many fronts, including pollution and poor infrastructure, which affect the quality and quantities available. In Ireland, approximately 80% of drinking water originates from surface water, rivers and lakes, and 20% from ground water. It reaches our taps through a distribution system of public water supplies, which supplies the majority of Irish households, public group water schemes, private group water schemes, small private supplies and exempted supplies, predominantly private wells.

Unaccounted for water is a measure of water loss in a distribution system. The provision of a continuous supply to households in Ireland is under pressure, due in part to high levels of unaccounted for water, primarily leakage. Water investment programmes previously focused on water and wastewater treatments to ensure compliance with European directives and consequently, water mains renewal was neglected. As such, the water system in many parts of Ireland is leaky, inefficient and in need of significant investment.

The latest estimates of unaccounted for water are from 2011, and range from 16% in south Dublin to 60% in Kerry. Dublin City Council estimates that Dublin loses up to 28% of the treated drinking water per annum to leakage, down from 43% in 1998. Significant portions of the 19th century network need to be replaced to reduce leakage further, but over recent years, only 10% of the defective mains have been replaced.

While water loss is a common feature of water distribution networks around the world, with typical losses of between 25% and 40% - even the best modern systems struggle to get below 20% - when compared with other major cities, it is clear that improvements could be made. To this end, under the water service investment programme for 2010 to 2012, a total of €321 million was allocated nationally for the replacement or rehabilitation of defective or leaking water mains. Ground and surface water resources are not always protected, and many are at risk from pollution. As such, surface and ground water must be treated before being fit for human consumption. In general, surface water supplies require more treatment than ground water. However, some private water supplies, the majority of which are reliant on ground water, have inadequate treatment, or in many cases, no treatment at all.

A number of public water supplies which originate from surface water are treated only with disinfectant, which is insufficient. Drinking water quality is governed by the European Communities drinking water regulations. These regulations prescribe quality standards to be applied and related supervision and enforcement procedures on drinking water supplies. The water services authorities are responsible for the production, distribution and monitoring of the drinking water of the public water supplies and have a duty to ensure that drinking water intended for human consumption meets with the water quality standards. The Environmental Protection Agency is the regulatory body charged with monitoring and reporting on compliance levels on matters of water quality in Ireland. Its role includes assessing the wholesomeness of drinking water and undertaking technical audits on water supplies. The drinking water supply is deemed to be safe if it meets the chemical and microbiological quality standard set out in the regulations.

As the 2014 budget process has been prepared on the basis of the new funding structure for water services, it is important that legislation is enacted before the end of this year to facilitate the transfer of statutory responsibility. Local authorities are not providing for the funding of water services in the conventional manner in their 2014 budget, so if the Bill is not enacted by the end of 2013, then from the beginning of 2014, the local authorities will remain responsible for the provision of services, but will have no budget to deliver those services.

I call the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Joe Costello, who is sharing time with Deputy John Deasy.

It normally reverts to the Opposition side, does it not?

Deputy Seamus Kirk is absent.

Yes, but there is an Opposition Member in the House. Correct me if I am wrong.

The Deputy is on the list for later. I must go by the list I have received from the Bills Office.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand the order is Government-Opposition-Government-Opposition. I have no difficulty with it.

I have called the Minister of State, Deputy Joe Costello, who will be followed by Deputy John Deasy. I will check what Deputy Denis Naughten is saying, but when a Deputy does not turn up or is absent, that is it.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Water Services (No. 2) Bill. I am very disappointed by the grandstanding and childish behaviour we have just seen in seeking attention at the end of term. A grand coalition of opposites is opposed to reforming our outdated water services system. If a protest was to be made, it might have been made on something more appropriate.

I am delighted to speak on the Bill. In combination with the Water Services Act 2013, it will implement the Government's policy on the reform of water services and is part of the programme for Government; therefore, we are committed to delivering on it and are doing so, as we have done in so many other areas. The Bill provides for the transfer of water service functions to Irish Water from the 34 water service authorities. Water infrastructure is, clearly, a natural monopoly and of great strategic importance; therefore it must, as the Government has indicated, remain in public ownership. That is an important characteristic of the legislation.

The organisation of water services in Ireland does not use the natural monopoly and the 34 separate authorities that operate water services are unable to exploit the economies of scale available. The creation of a unified public utility should result in significant efficiencies. The creation of Scottish Water as a unified public utility resulted in efficiencies that brought about a reduction in operating costs of almost 40%. Clearly, there is an imperative for us to make the appropriate savings, especially in these difficult times. There is a precedent. This legislation is very much based on the precedent in Scottish Water - a 40% reduction in cost is extraordinary, substantial and significant. It would be criminal not to consolidate the provision of water services and water functions when we see a gap of €1 billion in the cost for the provision of water services which is not recouped. If we can reduce that figure by 40%, it would be very significant. The fact that the infrastructure is being kept in State ownership is something I would have thought some Opposition Members would have welcomed, rather than walking out.

Irish Water will have an important role to play in water conservation. Water conservation enhances the environment, protects drinking water resources and saves money. While nobody wants extra costs to be imposed on households, the introduction of water charges will result in improved water conservation. However, it is important that safeguards are in place to protect consumers. Work is under way on the structure of the proposed free allowance or allocation and affordability measures that will be introduced by the Government to mitigate the impact of water charges on domestic customers.

It is welcome that the Bill includes a prohibition on the disconnection of domestic customers. It is very important that the word go out that this is not per se a fundraising exercise in terms of the imposition on domestic households but a conservation measure. Much work should go into the determination of the free allocation that will be granted to households. It is welcome that it will be introduced and it should be available to the maximum and be weighted in favour of those who are less well off. Households, particularly larger ones, in areas of disadvantage should have a larger free allowance than in other areas. We would welcome this. I am pleased that the CER will operate to approve what is proposed by Irish Water; therefore, it will not be a single division but one that will be approved by the regulatory process. I would like to hear the Minister's views on how this might operate and how the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government envisages it operating.

The creation of Irish Water has had the additional benefit of creating jobs through the metering programme which is well under way. The programme has created more than 600 jobs, 60% of which have gone to people on the live register, local SMEs, graduates or apprentices. There is a clear boost to the economy and there will be considerable employment in the course of the process once the functions are taken over by Irish Water. The Bill also provides for both the economic and environmental regulation of Irish Water. The CER will work to protect the interests of customers andl approve codes of practice to be adopted by Irish Water, an important requirement. The EPA will be responsible for the environmental regulation of Irish Water and ensure Irish Water will maintain the required standards of drinking water quality and the treatment of wastewater. The CER and the EPA will work together to ensure as much consistency as possible between the decisions and measures taken by each agency.

The Bill will help to transform water supply and wastewater treatment in Ireland. Unfortunately, previous Governments under-invested in water infrastructure. It is essential we deliver the level of infrastructure we need to meet demographic, economic and environmental requirements in the future. The development of a unified, publicly owned water utility in the shape of Irish Water will help to secure our long-term economic development and enhanced water conservation. In my portfolio, dealing with trade, businesses are always extremely concerned about the level of water that is treated and that there is a regular supply. Consolidating the functions, treatment and supply of water is extremely important to ensure the economy, coming out of the bailout programme, can move forward in a way that will enhance our attractiveness to businesses we are seeking to attract to the country and increase the ability of existing small and medium enterprises to expand.

One of the reasons I want to speak on the Water Services (No. 2) Bill is I recently travelled to Ethiopia with Irish Aid to visit projects there. One of the places we visited was Tigray, the northernmost province of Ethiopia, where we saw the water projects in which Irish Aid had been involved for many years. They remember the Minister of State, Deputy Joe Costello, fondly. Farming in parts of Tigray has been transformed by these projects. To deal with the problem of a scarce water supply, Irish Aid has engaged local farmers in watershed management. This involves building water collectors, small dams and terraces and planting trees, all of which help to keep water in the soil. The work takes place across whole valleys or watersheds, raising the level of moisture captured in the soil for these communities. The projects have made a real difference to the lives of poor farmers, not only in improving their incomes but in helping them to cope with the changes brought about by climate change. Having witnessed the infrastructure in place and listened to the people there, the watershed rehabilitation programmes have had profound effects in a province that was the worst affected by the drought and famine that hit Ethiopia in 1984 to 1986. The value the people we met put on the water projects cannot be overestimated. For the people we met, a clean and plentiful supply of water has radically changed their lives. What Irish Aid pioneered in Tigray has been replicated by the Ethiopian Government throughout the country and the World Bank has used it as a model throughout the world for similar projects.

I am not trying to make any grand statements on or comparisons between the systems in Ethiopia and Ireland, but it is worth remembering how vital a good and adequate water supply is. The objectives behind the establishment of a new water utility here are to improve the quality and supply of water. This is worth paying for if necessary. We do not need the EU-IMF to impose these water charges. I understand that in 2009 the Commission on Taxation recommended that domestic water charges be phased in and that those charges be based on usage. We should have acted on that recommendation, regardless of what the IMF said.

Ireland's domestic water consumption of approximately 150 litres per person per day is one of the highest in Europe, but it is anticipated that the national roll-out of water meters and the introduction of domestic water charges here will reduce consumption. I was reminded at the Committee of Public Accounts of the problems we face as a country when it comes to funding water services. There is a huge gap between the revenue generated from local authority charges and the cost of water provision. It cost over €1.2 billion to run our water services in 2010.

Last year, the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government stated that our capacity to fund future capital investment requirements from the Exchequer was severely constrained and that meeting investment needs and rising operational costs within the current funding model was unsustainable. It pointed to the fact that increased operational costs could be offset to an extent by efficiency gains from moving to a new organisational form. The Minister of State, Deputy Costello, mentioned Scottish Water, which transitioned from a local to a regional and then a national organisation for water services and achieved operational savings of 40% over a five-year period.

Our water infrastructure has repeatedly been described as poor or under severe pressure. In Dublin for example, some 28% of treated drinking water is unaccounted for or lost. The percentage of unaccounted-for water is a lot higher in other parts of the country. In the most recent water services investment programme, €321 million was allocated nationally for the replacement or rehabilitation of defective or leaking water mains. I believe the plan is to rehabilitate the public water services infrastructure with the revenue collected from the introduction of domestic water charges.

We cannot take water services and a clean water supply for granted. We need to raise revenue, not just from commercial entities, to pay for new infrastructure. This legislation is unavoidable. Nobody wants to levy additional charges on people, but there is a clear rationale as to why it is necessary.

I have checked on procedure and there is a convention that we move from one side of the House to the other for speakers. I now call Deputy Naughten, to be followed by Deputies Anne Ferris and Kevin Humphreys.

I have the weight of the Opposition on my shoulders.

As I said to the Minister of State privately, I am not going to give him a clear run on this issue. I have strong views about water. In my county currently, one in every four people cannot drink the water from the tap. I believe, therefore, that I would be abdicating my responsibility as a public representative if I did not come into the House to express their concerns and anger in regard to what is going on in our county and in many other communities around the country. At this time there are 30 communities around the country with a boil-water notice in place. It is important that their issues are raised here.

The way this House is being treated and the way this legislation is being rammed through is a disgrace. The excuse that it must be completed by 1 January is pathetic. It could just as easily be 1 February if we wanted, to allow for proper debate and proper consultation in the national Parliament on the issue. A couple of months ago in the debate that took place on the Seanad we were told how important this Chamber was, but now we are being insulted with what is going on today.

Leaving that aside, we have 30 communities where there is a boil-water notice in place and one in four people in my county cannot drink tap water. For the past three years there has been a boil-water notice in place for the town of Castlerea. These people face at least another 12 months of boiling water before their issue is resolved. This is not good enough. It is not good enough in this day and age that people must tolerate this situation. It is not just that the water is not safe to drink. At certain times of the year, the water coming from the taps looks more like stout than water. The idea of people having to pay for water that they cannot use to brush their teeth is unacceptable.

I have submitted an amendment to this Bill, but it will not be accepted. However, it should have been properly debated in the House. My amendment was to provide that where there is a boil-water notice in place, people should not have to pay for that water. I hope the Minister of State will consider this proposal before the legislation is rammed through the House. Not only would this give some acknowledgement to the people who have had to live for years with a boil-water notice, it would also put pressure on Irish Water to ensure it upgrades supplies in those particular areas as a priority. It is not good enough that people must wait months and years before a boil-water notice is lifted from their supply. This is not a Third World country. We are supposed to be a first world country, but we cannot drink the water from our taps because it is not good enough. It is a gross insult to these people for legislation to be put through the House that will introduce water charges for water that people cannot drink or use to brush their teeth.

I do not have a major difficulty with what is proposed in the legislation, once water and wastewater services remain in public ownership and are fully accountable to this Parliament and to local authorities around the country. It is a damning indictment of what is happening that we cannot have a proper debate here on such an important issue, on what is a basic human right. It is imperative that the legislation include a provision to allocate an adequate unmetered allowance of water for every person in the country to meet basic daily needs. This is not included in the legislation and that is a significant flaw. It should be included. People should have the right to water as a fundamental right.

On the issue of metering, I ask the Minister of State, in his summing up, to justify the introduction of metering. He will make the argument that the objective behind metering is water conservation, and none of us could disagree with the need to try to cut wastage or unnecessary use of water. However, the difficulty is that one-third of homes in this country will not be metered but will have a flat rate charge applied to them. Can the Minister of State explain how a flat-rate charge will improve conservation? We were told this was the ethos behind metering, but if one-third of houses will not have a meter installed, how can we talk of conservation? These houses are in rural areas. How is the flat rate to be calculated? Will it be based on the size of the house, the size of the household or geographic location? How will it be calculated? There are massive variations in the flat rate charge in the United Kingdom.

Another proposal included in the legislation is a charge for water going in and water going out. When we dealt with the septic tank legislation earlier this year, the Minister stated in black and white at the Oireachtas committee that there would be no charge for water going out. However, there is specific provision for this in the initial draft of the legislation.

It is being rammed through so quickly that no one has had an opportunity to see the subsequent drafts. In the original draft of the Bill as published, provision is made for charging for water out. How can the Minister of State justify this when the Minister gave a categoric commitment on the public record at a committee meeting there would not be a charge for water out? Not only will people have to pay for the water that comes out of the taps, but they will also have to pay for flushing the toilet.

The water out provision will apply only to commercial premises.

This is not what is written in the legislation. It is not mentioned that it is specifically for that purpose, and I have a difficulty with it.

I agree there is a need for co-ordination. I fully accept this because I know of the difficulty in my area. Within 15 miles we have three separate water authorities. With joined-up thinking the level of investment required would be significantly less. Roscommon County Council submitted proposals to the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government to augment its public supplies through a link to the adjoining local authority so that if the public water supply decreased or was contaminated it could borrow water from the adjacent local authority. The Department specifically refused to allow for augmentation of supply even between systems in one local authority, never mind across county boundaries. If the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government had lived up to its responsibilities with regard to co-ordination we would have a far more effective system in place and there might not have been a need for this agency to be established in its current guise. It would significantly reduce the overall cost of investment, as a result of which the overall cost of producing water would also be reduced.

On average 145 litres of water are used on a daily basis in a household. One fifth of this is used for washing machines, one third is used for showers and baths and just under one third is used for toilets. The discretionary amount is relatively small. What is the scale of leakage before water comes to the householder and after it goes across the threshold? What provision will be made in this regard? I received a phenomenal water bill after the meter had been installed and the damage turned out to be just inside the meter. What will happen to people in this situation? What discretion will be provided to ensure people do not end up with phenomenal bills? Will the meters be read regularly? Will we have a statutory situation whereby, like electricity meters, they must be read once or twice a year and other meter readings are estimates? People receive phenomenal electricity bills, which cause huge financial hardship for many families. Will the same happen with water when it is metered? Will bills be based on estimated usage? Coming up to Christmas, will people will receive the mother and father of all bills for the previous year? Many questions about the legislation need to be answered, and it is a disgrace that it is being rammed through and that we will not get answers to these issues.

Whatever the extent of our water problems in Ireland, it is important to remember that they are of a different scale from the daily struggle facing the part of the world which has no access to clean water. We are lucky in Ireland that access to clean drinking water is, in general and in most situations, taken for granted. According to the World Health Organization, more than 1 billion people have no access to any type of clean drinking water. Nelson Mandela, whom we remembered with such respect a week ago, rightly placed water and work together as pillars of human life in his often-quoted statement, "Let there be work, bread, water and salt for all".

At the root of the legislation before us is a desire to ensure access to safe and clean drinking water for all citizens at all times directly from the household tap. It is also, to return to Nelson Mandela's quote, about creating and maintaining jobs in the water services sector and in the industries and businesses dependent on a secure and safe supply of water, including hotels, restaurants, bars, garages, laundries and hairdressing shops.

At present we have a water service which is unequal. In parts of Ireland we have a service that cannot always be guaranteed to be plentiful or pure enough for human consumption without boiling. Deputy Naughten mentioned his area. In my constituency of Wicklow, no fewer than six water schemes have been the subject of boil-water notices for the past three months or longer, including Stranakelly and Mullans North, which are near Tinahely; Ballysallagh, near Hacketstown; Roscath; and Johnstown South and Kilbride, which are in Arklow.

In case anyone is under the illusion that a boil-water notice is an invitation to put on the kettle, it is worth considering some of the onerous contents of the boil-water notices imposed on communities throughout Ireland. Householders under a boil notice must boil all water before cooling for consumption, including for drinking, preparing salads, brushing teeth, sterilising babies' bottles and making baby feeds. They are advised not to use a dishwasher as it will not heat the water sufficiently to kill the contaminating bacteria in the polluted water. Some parts of Ireland have been under boil-water notices for several years.

Some people in Ireland do not have a secure supply of water of any quality. We had a flavour of this on the east coast for more than a week in early November when rivers and groundwater were at their highest and water should have been in plentiful supply, but the citizens of Dublin had limited access to water. Water supplies in County Wicklow were also affected that week because of the ridiculous situation whereby Wicklow pays Dublin for a water supply to the north of the county even though Wicklow directly services Dublin with 15% of its water via the Roundwood reservoir and up to 40% of its water via the Liffey with no financial gain to County Wicklow. When Dublin is without a water supply, the supply to north Wicklow is also at risk.

For one reason or another Dublin has been without an adequate water supply on too many occasions in recent years. A European capital city in a climate such as ours should not suffer from a lack of water in the 21st century. Nor should it be the case that people in some Irish communities receive polluted water to their taps. There is a problem of water supply and water inequality in the country which can no longer be ignored and must be addressed in a uniform and focused manner which can only come from a single management structure.

I want to send a strong note of caution about the operation of Irish Water. Under no circumstances should it ever be assumed that in voting on this legislation Members of the Dáil have given a free pass to Irish Water to pass on costs to the consumer. In this regard I welcome the oversight role of the Commission for Energy Regulation and the need for the regulator to approve any schemes of charging for water. I ask the Minister of State to give strong consideration to instructing the regulator to exempt from any charge people with restricted or low-quality water supply. The people of Wicklow should be allowed to use their own low-cost Roundwood water rather than be involved in any elaborate plan to bring water to Dublin from the River Shannon. It is critical for the Minister and the Department to exercise their oversight role with regard to internal costs incurred by the new Irish Water entity. Oscar Wilde, who drank a lot of Wicklow water in his time, commented that the British turned their wine into water.

It tasted the same to them.

It is up to the Minister of State and the regulator to ensure Irish Water does not turn it into gravy. The new semi-state body should be tightly controlled to ensure it does not become a gravy train in the manner of other publicly financed entities recently discussed in the media. It is very important a tight rein is kept on the remuneration of the board and executives of Irish Water. In this regard I urge the Ministers, Deputies Hogan and Howlin, to start as they mean to go on and immediately issue a strong directive to Irish Water on cost control.

I welcome the opportunity to discuss and debate this fundamental issue. We heard Deputy Naughten say that one in four people in Roscommon was without proper, clean drinking water and Deputy Ferris talking about boil notices. This gives one some understanding of the disastrous level of water infrastructure we have. In recent years Dublin has experienced a loss of water supply.

It must be difficult for the Minister of State to sit and watch the so-called Leader of the Opposition, Deputy Micheál Martin, leading a walk-out from the Chamber on the Bill. He was a Minister in the previous Administration which failed to make an investment in this critical infrastructure. That Administration made the deal with the troika, including a commitment to introduce this legislation by 1 January 2014. With false indignation, he led a walk-out followed by the protest before people brigade. I find it particularly sickening that a man who sat at the Cabinet table and led the country in such a disastrous way and allowed it to go broke - the Government is picking up the pieces after such disastrous decisions - can stand up and say he will not debate. He has run away with his toys and refused to debate the issue. Perhaps it was too problematic for him to sit in the Chamber having realised he had sat in the Cabinets that had failed to invest in vital infrastructure and make sure there were proper pipes under the ground and a proper water supply. This was well described by Deputy Denis Naughten who remained in the Chamber to make these points.

I am a Dublin-based Deputy and we do not have to pay for our water supply. I sat in on the hearings of the environment committee and listened to the representatives of many group water schemes who had been paying for water for decades and they could not understand why people in urban areas were so anti the purchasing of water. Then there were Fianna Fáil, the Progressive Democrats, the Green Party or whatever other grouping Bertie Ahern used to drag around him following his private deals when he gave little benefits and bonuses to Independent Members who had backed him. Perhaps some Independents got money for the CRC. Have we not seen where the money ended up?

I refer briefly to the problems affecting the capital city and do not say this with a mé féin attitude that Dublin should come first. In Dublin 60% of all taxation is collected. Dublin is a regional city and now stretches from Bray and Arklow on one side to Drogheda and Dundalk on the other. The Minister of State knows the number of people who commute into the city every day to work. The region stretches as far as Mullingar to the west. We are competing with London, Manchester and Paris for foreign direct investment. IDA Ireland and Enterprise Ireland have done well in attracting foreign direct investment that will create jobs we need and income to provide services for the people. It is not good enough for a capital city that competes against European countries and cities to have a water emergency. There is certainly a need for long-term planning. We are heading into the local elections and will hear many candidates say we cannot pay for water and that they will not pay for it. I ask them to put up or shut up. How can we modernise the water system and have a world class infrastructure to supply water to the people?

I thank the Deputy.

I will be brief.

There are two more speakers.

We have loads of time. They have walked out

Two Deputies on the list are present.

I will be brief. I ask the Minister for State to have discussions with Irish Water to prioritise a water supply for the Leinster area by 2020. The last crowd failed to plan for the future. The Government is prepared to look outside election cycles and not to be concerned with whether it is re-elected. We are concerned about putting in place a good infrastructure that will serve the people well. We will not have boil notices or water crises and we certainly will not walk out of the House and fail to debate. What I witnessed earlier was a disgrace in a democracy.

I very much welcome the Bill. I fully accept the principle that the polluter should pay. The timing and introduction of the Bill is difficult considering the economic circumstances and the financial hardship families are experiencing, with budgets being tight and so on. Price control and ensuring the consumer is not exploited through increased water charges in coming years are crucial. Regulation and maintaining prices at a low level for the consumer are important, as Deputy Martin Ferris said.

Ireland is the only OECD country not to charge for water. The introduction of water charges will change people's behaviour and ensure greater conservation of water. During periods of the year when rainfall is low, water conservation is important, particularly when demand increases because of warm and humid weather. Internationally, up to 15% less water is used when people are charged for the privilege of having a water supply. As an island nation, we are surrounded by water, but the treatment of water is the crucial issue. More than €1.2 billion is spent on treating water annually. We use the same water to wash our teeth, clean our cars and flush our toilets, which is all wrong from an environmental point of view. That behaviour will change in the future.

It is necessary to greatly improve the water infrastructure throughout the country but particularly in Dublin, as Deputy Kevin Humphreys said. The city has a leaky, Victorian era system and there has been under-investment in infrastructure for many years. With money being ring-fenced to address this issue, such investment will take place in the future. The population of Dublin is projected to increase by 1 million in the coming years and a proper water supply will be necessary to meet this demand.

I welcome the legislation. Consumers should not be charged if there is dirty water in their household supply and it is not drinkable That needs to be provided for in the legislation. I refer to what happened in Galway in the past. Providing for the polluter pays principle is welcome.

I accept the concept of metering and payment for the supply for water from the point of view of conservation of water, the maintenance of a proper infrastructure and general equity, but as I accept the principle, it is also important to have a robust household allowance system in place. That is provided for in the programme for Government and will be defined in a budgetary context each year. There must be an adequate household allowance.

I acknowledge the location of the regional headquarters of Irish Water in Cavan town and I am proud of that achievement. I am also proud of our county council team and former executives of the council who had an outstanding record in the delivery of water services and so on, which resulted in the headquarters being located in Cavan.

Our current team on the county council and past executives had an outstanding record in delivering water services. I am pleased, therefore, that the headquarters will be coming to Cavan.

While I acknowledge that difficulties arise for Dublin, it is important that local authorities continue to have a role in planning and that counties such as Cavan and Monaghan will have adequate resources to provide infrastructure for the maintenance and delivery of water services. Local democratic input is important and resources should be distributed to every corner of the country.

I thank all those who contributed to this debate. I appreciate that we have limited time but I wish to respond to the issues raised. This Bill has to be passed by the end of this session because if it were not in place on 1 January, local authorities would have responsibility for the entire water infrastructure but would have no means of paying for it.

With respect, that is rubbish.

I did not interrupt the Deputy.

That is the advice I have been given. I raised points of information to be helpful to Deputy Naughten.

I am being helpful to the Minister of State.

I did not interrupt the Deputy in the way he is now doing. Deputies Cowen and Stanley raised the important issues of water poverty and ability to pay. These issues will be dealt with by the Government. The questions about the free allowance and affordability are also important and will be dealt with in a transparent manner long before the first bill comes through the door. As the bills will not arrive until the first quarter of 2015, there will be plenty of time in the coming 12 months to address these issues and I will ensure they are addressed.

On the question of a code of conduct with regard to those who may have difficulties paying their bills, that will be dealt with by the CER. The protocols that will have to be in place for water restrictions and dealing with people in arrears will be developed by the CER in a transparent and open way and will be discussed in the Dáil.

The debate in the Seanad lasted more than ten hours and we covered a wide range of issues. An Oireachtas committee is the appropriate forum for Irish Water, the regulator and me to discuss the issues arising. That will allow the system to be made accountable to the Oireachtas once the legislation is in place. We are giving power to the CER to perform certain tasks and it will be consulting widely with the public and reporting to an Oireachtas committee.

Deputy Higgins outlined his view of the process. Any search of the Internet would show that the Cuba of Fidel Castro not only operates public-private partnerships but also has attracted foreign direct investment into the water system in Havana. In the great Mao Zedong's country there are water charges and water meters.

I appreciate that Deputy Wallace may not have been aware that an amendment was introduced in the Seanad to copperfasten the existing legislation, which states that there can be no privatisation. The Ministers for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources and the Environment, Community and Local Government cannot alienate their shares. There is no way for Irish Water to be privatised. This is a core issue for everybody in this House.

Deputy Naughten raised the issue of leakage on the supply side. The first fix will be free. There will not be an additional burden in this regard. The literature on metering around the world clearly indicates that metering conserves water by allowing for the identification of leakages that are in private and domestic parts of the supply network. Metering also reduces water usage. As Deputies who live in rural areas will be aware, group water schemes can attest to the significant reductions in water usage through the use of metering. Kilmeena group water scheme in County Mayo won an award for achieving savings of up to 70%.

Deputies Naughten and Luke 'Ming' Flanagan expressed concern about potable water in County Roscommon. Irish Water should not be allowed to charge for water supplies that are subject to restrictions on health grounds. This is why the Act gives the Minister power to make directions in this regard. I have no doubt that people who do not have access to a safe and healthy supply of water should not and will not be charged for it. County Roscommon is affected by approximately 90% of the boil-water notices issued nationally. These notices pertain to issues such as contamination by E. coli or cryptosporidium, excess lead or copper, inadequate disinfection and nitrate pollution. This is a serious issue, but the Act will ensure that everybody in this country has access to a potable water supply that meets their needs. They will be charged a fair amount for their water and every household will have a free allowance. Measures will be introduced for people who cannot afford to pay and people with health issues will also be dealt with. The only way we can make this new system work is by ensuring it is transparent, accountable and fair.

Approximately €30 million will have to be found to improve water supplies in Cork. The Bill will address that issue and it will also improve the water supply in the greater Dublin area. It has been estimated that we will have to find more than €500 million to ensure Dublin's water supplies are adequate to meet demand. Demand and supply are almost in equilibrium at present, which was why water was turned off at night when a serious problem arose several weeks ago.

Some speakers have suggested that local authorities will lose powers. At present a business in County Wicklow is paying twice as much for its water as a comparable business in County Kildare. There is a vast difference in prices among the 34 water authorities around the country. We have to ensure cost convergence for the commercial world so that people will not lose out. The charge for domestic consumption will be the same in every part of the country.

The issues of safety and health will be dealt with. Major cities such as Dublin and Cork will have adequate and proper water supplies. The system will be fair. There is a plan to augment the water supply between the River Shannon and urban conurbations of a particular size. This is the future for our country.

We have a great deal of water here but, unfortunately, we are not in the right place in terms of treatment, supply etc. We are ensuring that in future in this country we will have the capacity to attract water-intensive industries. Companies in the ICT sector, the pharmaceutical-chemical sector or the agricultural sector will come to Ireland because we will ensure this is the place to come. I was in England recently, and last year, in the autumn, there was drought in parts of England. We have a major role to play here in attracting industry and I am happy that this is part of this process.

The strength of the Oireachtas is not only in this House but in the committees. As I said in the Seanad, I am happy to attend meetings of those committees at any time to discuss outstanding issues. I have no problem with that. Irish Water must come before the committees and so must the Commission for Energy Regulation, which is on the record as saying it wants to be proactive in its communication as soon as possible in this regard. I hope I can answer on Committee Stage all of the questions that remain unanswered from some Deputies, but the Oireachtas committees will be a tower of strength in getting these answers, so that people can be happy that TDs, notwithstanding the issues raised today, will have the capacity and power to get the answers to those questions that remain in their minds. I am confident, notwithstanding the pressure on all of us here because of the troika, that this is fair and equitable, and I look forward to Committee Stage.

Question put:
The Dáil divided: Tá, 65; Níl, 43.

  • Bannon, James.
  • Breen, Pat.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Butler, Ray.
  • Buttimer, Jerry.
  • Byrne, Catherine.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Conaghan, Michael.
  • Conlan, Seán.
  • Connaughton, Paul J.
  • Coonan, Noel.
  • Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Coveney, Simon.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Deasy, John.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • Doherty, Regina.
  • Dowds, Robert.
  • Doyle, Andrew.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • English, Damien.
  • Feighan, Frank.
  • Ferris, Anne.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Fitzpatrick, Peter.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Flanagan, Terence.
  • Griffin, Brendan.
  • Harrington, Noel.
  • Hayes, Brian.
  • Heydon, Martin.
  • Humphreys, Kevin.
  • Keating, Derek.
  • Kenny, Seán.
  • Kyne, Seán.
  • Lawlor, Anthony.
  • Lyons, John.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McHugh, Joe.
  • McNamara, Michael.
  • Maloney, Eamonn.
  • Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.
  • Mulherin, Michelle.
  • Murphy, Dara.
  • Murphy, Eoghan.
  • Nash, Gerald.
  • Neville, Dan.
  • O'Donnell, Kieran.
  • O'Donovan, Patrick.
  • O'Dowd, Fergus.
  • O'Mahony, John.
  • O'Reilly, Joe.
  • Penrose, Willie.
  • Phelan, Ann.
  • Phelan, John Paul.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Reilly, James.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Sherlock, Sean.
  • Spring, Arthur.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Wall, Jack.
  • White, Alex.

Níl

  • Adams, Gerry.
  • Boyd Barrett, Richard.
  • Broughan, Thomas P.
  • Calleary, Dara.
  • Collins, Joan.
  • Collins, Niall.
  • Colreavy, Michael.
  • Cowen, Barry.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Daly, Clare.
  • Doherty, Pearse.
  • Dooley, Timmy.
  • Ellis, Dessie.
  • Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.
  • Fleming, Tom.
  • Healy, Seamus.
  • Healy-Rae, Michael.
  • Higgins, Joe.
  • Kirk, Seamus.
  • Lowry, Michael.
  • Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
  • McConalogue, Charlie.
  • McGrath, Finian.
  • McGrath, Mattie.
  • McGrath, Michael.
  • McLellan, Sandra.
  • Murphy, Catherine.
  • Naughten, Denis.
  • Nulty, Patrick.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Sullivan, Maureen.
  • Pringle, Thomas.
  • Ross, Shane.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Stanley, Brian.
  • Tóibín, Peadar.
  • Troy, Robert.
  • Wallace, Mick.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Fergus O'Dowd and Emmet Stagg; Níl, Deputies Seán Ó Fearghaíl and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.
Question declared.
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