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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 4 Dec 2014

Vol. 860 No. 3

Water Services Bill 2014: Second Stage

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I am pleased to bring the Water Services Bill 2014 before the Dáil and look forward to a healthy debate on its contents in the next two days. As I told the House on 19 November, the Government's objective is to make the new domestic water charges system simpler and fairer, providing more clarity for households and ensuring water charges are affordable for customers of Irish Water. The Government also wants to strengthen the legislative framework within which Irish Water will operate and give people certainty that Irish Water will remain in public ownership. The Bill will achieve these aims.

In advance of completion of the metering programme, it became clear that the charging regime was overly complex, not well understood by the public and had created uncertainty for customers regarding their bills in 2015 and beyond. As a result, the Government took time to reflect on the demanding reform programme being implemented to a challenging timescale. We listened to people's concerns and have responded. The changes to the charging system that will result from the Bill will ensure the system is defined by four key attributes. First, there will be certainty, as every household will know what its capped bills will be until the end of 2018. Second, there will be simplicity, as there will be only two charging structures and a water conservation grant. Third, the Bill will ensure affordability, as the absolute maximum net cost is now just over €3 per week. For households with a single adult, it will be approximately €1.15 per week, which is less than 1% of most people's income or benefits and puts our water bills among the lowest in Europe. The Bill will ensure water conservation, as metered households will have the opportunity to pay less than the capped bill and they can use the water conservation grant to make changes to avail of lower charges.

I accept that there are many people in financial difficulty and, as Minister, will insist on Irish Water distinguishing between those who want to pay but cannot do so and those who refuse to pay. Those who want to pay but are in financial difficulty will be able to avail of easy pay options and instalment plans, just like with any other utility. Those who do not register and do not pay will not be able to avail of the water conservation grant and will be liable for a late payment fee.

The Bill addresses a number of other concerns expressed by the public. It provides for a robust additional safeguard against the danger of privatisation, specifically, the will of the people. Should any future Government seek to sell Irish Water, we are ensuring the public will have to be consulted in a plebiscite.

The Bill provides for changes to strengthen Irish Water's governance, part of a wider reorganisation of the corporate governance structures of Ervia and Irish Water. The Government is putting in place a unitary board at Ervia that will also be responsible for Irish Water and the gas networks subsidiary. The new board will provide for stronger governance and the improved setting of strategic objectives for each of the component companies. Advertisements are already in place on the new public appointments website, stateboards.ie.

The proposed public water forum will ensure the voices of Irish Water's customers are heard and influential in the strategic direction of this public utility. The proposed customer dispute resolution service, to be provided by the Commission for Energy Regulation, CER, will have a legal basis and provide customers with the same access to resolution of unresolved complaints that energy customers currently enjoy. These new structures will help Irish Water to identify where its customer service needs improvement.

Many expressed concerns about Irish Water obtaining personal public service, PPS, numbers for the purposes of registration. This was a necessary underpinning of the former charging regime which was based mainly on allowances, rather than capped charges. The Government has decided that the new arrangements should be based on self-declaration and appropriate audit; therefore, PPS numbers will not be required for registration. Instead, an individual household may be asked to provide evidence in support of their occupancy declaration as part of the audit regime. The Government package announced last month also referred to a suite of measures that would apply if households did not pay. These will be brought forward in separate legislation early in the new year and the subject of extensive stakeholder engagement and pre-legislative scrutiny.

The changes provided for in the Bill do not change the fundamentals of the Government's water sector reform programme. Ireland's public water system was, and remains, in need of changes to the way it operates and the level of funding it receives. The previous system of providing water services through local authorities was not working properly, despite the best efforts of the dedicated and experienced staff involved. As local authorities were restricted in their ability to borrow, they could not invest adequately in the system. The time taken to make decisions to invest meant the system was often slow, bureaucratic and inefficient. As planning for new water services largely stopped at the county boundary, there was a limited opportunity to achieve economies of scale on a regional or national basis. We see the results of this fundamentally flawed approach in almost every city, town and county.

There are major issues around the quality of the water supply and the capacity of the existing system to supply treated water in the quantities needed by households, businesses, schools and industries. For example, more than 22,000 people on boil water notices and almost 1 million others depend on drinking water supplies that are at risk of failing the required standards. Almost half of all treated water runs off in leaks and is unaccounted for, despite that fact that water treatment comes at a significant cost. By way of example, some 22 households are leaking over 1 million litres a day into their driveways, which is enough to serve the daily requirements of a town the size of Gorey. In Dublin more than 800 km of pipes are over 100 years old, which is unsustainable, and there is insufficient supply for the greater Dublin area. Most major European cities have spare capacity of 15% to 20%, but Dublin has surplus capacity of only 1% to 4%. Put simply, within a decade there will be water shortages in Dublin. There are 42 towns, including popular seaside towns such as Cobh, Youghal and Bundoran, where largely untreated sewage runs into rivers and the sea. This cannot be allowed to continue or it will be hugely damaging to the vital tourism sector.

Nationally, the population is increasing; the economy is growing and the climate is changing. These realities bring new demands and challenges for the water system; realities that a single national utility is best equipped to manage. Ireland's water challenges are not unique. Water demand is rising; supply is becoming less secure in many jurisdictions and, by 2030, the world is expected to need 40% more water than will be available. We are distinct from most countries owing to the level of fresh water available, which is a benefit we can turn to our advantage by creating a world-class water sector that can attract water intensive industries such as information and communications technology, ICT, pharma-chem and agri-food companies to Ireland. These industries combined already sustain well over 200,000 jobs in Ireland.

By 2030, our river basin management plans will have been reviewed on a further three occasions and the quality of water bodies will have to have been improved. Rivers, lakes and other water bodies need greater protection, not just for the protection of public health and the natural environment but also to ensure the thriving tourism industry can continue to prosper under the banner of Ireland's image as a clean, green country. Environmental and economic regulation of water services must be inter-linked. The Government's water sector reforms are coherent responses to all of these demands on the public water system. They are aimed at ensuring the country has security of supply of clean and reliable water and adequate wastewater treatment in order that communities, the economy and the environment are served by a public water system that is fit for the 21st century.

Irish Water was established in July 2013 and assumed responsibility for water services functions on 1 January 2014.

It has already shown the difference a single national utility can make in making services more efficient, cost-effective and national-minded. For example, it has adopted a new approach to asset management which has resulted in a significant change of approach to infrastructural delivery. Central strategic planning is now based on accurate asset performance data and full control of all investment decisions. The utility is now planning investment consistently across the asset base rather than on the basis of large-scale one-off investments, as was the case before. One example of this is the story of the Ringsend wastewater treatment plant. The plant had not been upgraded. An alternative approach to a treatment plant extension which had been proposed did not proceed, but Irish Water came on board and saved extensively on the project to the tune of €170 million. That is the value of having one utility to deliver water services. The greater economies of scale possible from having one national utility rather than 31 separate local authorities has resulted in €12 million in procurement savings alone in the company's first year. In the area of electricity supply, a major cost in the production of water, Irish Water's current renewable and efficient energy initiatives aim to reduce costs by 33% by 2020.

In April, Irish Water became the main contact point for customer queries and reports regarding water supply outages and water quality through its customer call centre. This development was another milestone along the road to achieving a single standardised national service throughout the country, with a greater focus on those who use public services. Such progress would not have been possible without strong co-operation between Irish Water and local authorities, which have decades of experience in providing water and wastewater services with great care and dedication. The 12-year service level agreements, now almost a year in existence, have proven to be a strong partnership between the expertise of local authorities in operations and the considerable network and utility management experience within the Ervia group. This was most evident during Storm Darwin in February this year, when the two parties collaborated effectively to address emergency situations and maintain clear lines of communication with each other and the public during a time of pressure on the public water system.

The service level agreements between the local authorities and Irish Water contain specific measures to support the move to a utility model by the end of 2017 and to support continuous improvement in the system. An example of this is the new standardised digital approach towards work and asset management, procurement and inventory management capability. Irish Water and the water services transition office, which represents the interests of local authorities in the reform programme, recently agreed on a transformation plan for 2014-17, which contains initiatives and measures to standardise and improve operations, asset management, customer service, procurement improvement and asset data intelligence. This, too, marks progress. A key component of domestic water charges is metering, and this is central to the new funding model. Without metering we cannot have usage-based charging, which the OECD, among others, has agreed is the fairest form of charging. As well as facilitating usage-based charging, the metering programme is detecting customer-side leakage, which accounts for about 10% of the national leakage level of approximately 49%. The presence of meters is helping Irish Water identify leakage that can be fixed through the first fix free scheme, which will cover leaks from the boundary of a property to a point as close as possible to the dwelling, but will not include leaks internal to the dwelling or other buildings on the property. Meters will help customers to identify leaks for which they are responsible and will help Irish Water identify leakage in the water network. Over time, metering will help to reduce domestic usage significantly, providing environmental benefits and a reduction in national water demand. The scale of the roll-out of the metering programme has been particularly impressive and, by any measurement, the domestic metering programme has been a success.

Unparalleled anywhere in scale or ambition, Irish Water has installed more than 513,000 meters in a little over 16 months. On average, a meter is installed somewhere in Ireland every 30 seconds. The utility has already surpassed its end-of-year target six weeks ahead of schedule and is delivering a programme that is sustaining approximately 1,300 jobs throughout the country, providing the kind of economic stimulus we need. Approximately 84% of these jobs have gone to people in one of three social inclusion categories - namely, the unemployed, employees of SMEs and graduates, school leavers or apprentices. This far exceeds the Government's original target of 25%. I am not suggesting that Irish Water has not had its problems; far from it. However, it is only fair to acknowledge what it has achieved and what it has done well in such a short period. These achievements should set the bar for the other parts of the company which have not yet matched public expectations, and I have said as much clearly.

The new funding model for water services, including the introduction of domestic water charges, has seen progress through Irish Water's moves towards accessing third-party funding as well as the Government's decisions on subvention. The model is designed to ensure Irish Water is classified as a market corporation, thereby allowing the utility's expenditure to be classified as off-balance-sheet. This is critical to ensuring Irish Water can access the level of third party funding needed to increase investment in water infrastructure from the circa €300 million invested last year to the €600 million per annum that is required. Access to external funding from capital markets will help to pave the way for sustainable investment in our public water system. This is important to address the deficiencies concerning leakage, quality, supply and waste treatment to which I referred earlier.

Independent economic regulation is central to a well-functioning public utility model. It is essential if we are to ensure water customers are protected and that the new utility delivers value for money. The Commission for Energy Regulation has already made several major decisions relating to the regulation of Irish Water, decisions underpinned by public consultation. In September, the CER approved an overall allowed revenue for Irish Water of €2.078 billion for the period from 1 October 2014 to the end of 2016. This equates to an 8.2% reduction in Irish Water's proposed costs for the period. The reductions included a 13.5% reduction in operational costs by the end of 2016 through a 7% annual efficiency challenge, as well as a 7% annual capital efficiency challenge to non-committed capital costs. These expenditure controls and efficiency targets are essential if we are to reduce the cost of delivering water services. Beyond the first interim revenue control period of 2014-16, Irish Water will continue to submit its costs and capital plans to the CER in future in order that the regulator can set the overall allowed revenue and approved capital investment levels. The regulator has also made decisions about customer protection through the publication of the customer handbook and is due to announce a timeline for the establishment of an enduring tariff framework for non-domestic customers before the end of the year. This will provide greater clarity to the non-domestic sector on the future of tariffs.

There has been substantial progress towards creating a modern, fit-for-purpose water sector. The Bill marks another step along the journey to a full utility model and a sustainable financial model for water services. Before I set out the provisions, I wish to address some matters that are not provided for in the Bill. The Government package announced last month referred to a suite of measures which would apply if households did not pay. These will be brought forward in separate legislation early in the new year and will be the subject of stakeholder engagement. I am considering several amendments to some sections and will introduce these on Committee Stage next week.

I will now outline the purpose and operation of each section. Section 1 sets out the definitions of terms used in the Bill. Section 2 provides for a plebiscite on the ownership of Irish Water. It provides that where a government proposes to initiate legislation to amend the existing legislation that sets out the ownership of shares in Irish Water, such a proposal cannot be initiated without a resolution from both Houses of the Oireachtas. Subject to such resolutions being passed, the Government would then be required to submit the proposal to a plebiscite of all people eligible to vote in a referendum on a proposal for an amendment to the Constitution. The Government is absolutely committed to retaining Irish Water in public ownership and has already provided a statutory prohibition on its disposal. This section will ensure that the people will have to be consulted if at some stage in the future a government is minded to try to dispose of Irish Water.

While I sincerely believe that would not happen, the section is designed to protect against all eventualities.

Section 3 provides for amendments to the charges applying to domestic customers of Irish Water and the requirement for Irish Water to amend its water charges plan to address these amendments. The section also provides that Irish Water may not commence charges for water services to domestic customers before 1 January 2015. Arrangements for the charging of non-domestic customers and charges for connections as reflected in the water charges plan approved by the Commission for Energy Regulation are not affected by this change. The provisions of section 3 will be deemed to be part of the charges plan approved by the Commission for Energy Regulation on 30 September 2014. The section also provides for Irish Water to submit any consequential amendments, such as the reflection of provisions in quarterly bills, to the Commission for Energy Regulation for approval.

The main aspects of the amendments to charges are as follows. There will be a capped maximum charge of €160 for a dwelling occupied by not more than one adult; a capped maximum charge of €260 for an unoccupied dwelling or a dwelling occupied by two or more adults; a provision that only 50% of the maximum charge may be applied where a dwelling receives only one service from Irish Water - that is, only a water supply or only a sewerage service; the automatic application of a charge of €260 to any dwelling that has not registered as a customer of Irish Water by a prescribed date; and the setting of a maximum volumetric charge of not more than €1.85 per 1,000 litres of water or €3.70 for each 1,000 litres of water and sewerage services provided. These volumetric charges will apply up to the capped maximum charges I outlined earlier.

In light of the approach of reduced volumetric charge and maximum charges, there will be a removal of the household water allowance previously provided for and confirmation that the child allowance provided under the approved water charges plan shall apply to all persons under the age of 18. Section 3 provides that the amended charges shall apply for the period 1 January 2015 to 31 December 2018. It also provides that the Minister may, following consultation with the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, set by order maximum charges for periods after 31 December 2018.

Section 4 of the Bill provides that where a customer has not paid water charges and has not entered into a payment plan with Irish Water, Irish Water shall charge a late payment fee for each year the arrears remain unpaid. The late payment fees that will apply are €30 for a dwelling occupied by not more than one adult or €60 for an unoccupied dwelling or a dwelling occupied by two or more adults. These fees will apply for each year that arrears remain unpaid.

Section 5 of the Bill provides for eligible householders to be paid an annual water conservation grant, which they can use to assist with water conservation in their homes. The Government has decided that the annual grant should be €100 per household. The estimated cost of this grant in 2015 is €130 million. Section 5 further provides that to be eligible for a grant in 2015 a household shall have provided information on the water supply to their dwelling to Irish Water and any necessary information required by the Minister for Social Protection. The section provides for the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government to prescribe a date by which householders should register water supply and wastewater treatment details with Irish Water. The section also provides that a person resident in a nursing home or other residential care facility shall be eligible to claim the grant in respect of his or her own house, provided the house is not rented to another person.

Section 6 of the Bill provides for a prohibition on the reduction of supply to a domestic dwelling. This is an amendment to the Water Services (No. 2) Act 2013 and provides that Irish Water shall be prohibited from either disconnecting or reducing the supply of water to a dwelling because of an unpaid bill. Section 7 of the Bill provides for the establishment of a public water forum by the Commission for Energy Regulation. It is proposed that the forum will have at least 12 and no more than 60 members, who shall be representative of the interests of all customers of Irish Water. The forum will have a broad role in reviewing and commenting on the various strategies and plans of Irish Water, including investment plans and water charge plans. There is provision for the Minister to make regulations in respect of the composition of the forum.

Section 8 of the Bill provides for statutory powers for the Commission for Energy Regulation to provide a dispute resolution service for unresolved complaints from customers of Irish Water. The service would be similar to that operated by the commission for customers in the energy sector. It also provides that the commission shall prepare an annual report on the number and types of complaints made under the section and, more generally, the service levels provided by Irish Water.

Section 9 of the Bill provides for a number of technical amendments to the superannuation provisions contained in the Water Services (No. 2) Act 2013 and the Gas Act 1976. These amendments are necessary to clarify that Irish Water does not have financial liability for the past service of officers of the Minister or local authorities other than the net effect of any increase in pensionable remuneration due to service with Irish Water. A separate scheme will cover the past service of such employees and this will remain funded by the State.

Section 10 of the Bill provides for loans relating to property transferred to Irish Water to remain with water services authorities. It provides that where the Minister makes an order to provide that a water services property be transferred from a local authority to Irish Water, any financial loans associated with the property are not automatically transferred to Irish Water. Section 14 of the Water Services (No. 2) 2013 Act allows for liabilities to be separately transferred. The section also provides that any transfer of property by the Minister shall not be treated as a disposal of property by a local authority. This is to ensure there is no adverse impact on the financial standing of local authorities from the transfer of assets to Irish Water.

Intensive work has been under way during 2014 in preparing for asset and liability transfer, and through this process the need for flexibility in separating the two elements of the transfer has been highlighted. It is important to stress that local authorities will not be left to carry financial loans as a result of this. My Department is working with the Department of Finance and other stakeholders, including local authorities, to develop an approach to deal with all water-services-related loans taken out by the local authorities.

Section 11 of the Bill provides for the abolition of the power of Irish Water to require the PPS numbers of its customers. The purpose of this section is to provide that Irish Water shall no longer have the power to request PPS numbers.

It should not have had it in the first place.

The section, which makes amendments to the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 and the Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2014, will be commenced by the Minister for Social Protection following consultation with the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government. This deferred commencement is necessary to ensure Irish Water can complete the work of deleting any PPS information it had previously been provided with. This exercise is under way and is being carried out in accordance with a protocol that Irish Water has developed in consultation with the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner.

Section 12 of the Bill provides that public water services properties shall not be rateable. The section provides that land used for the provision of public water services is not rateable for the purposes of the Valuation Act 2001. The exemption will apply to Irish Water for the provision of water supply and wastewater treatment and to group water supplies. From a financial perspective, the changes arising from the provisions in the Bill will involve a reduction in revenue for Irish Water of €21 million in 2015 and €56 million in 2016. However, Irish Water's costs will also be reduced as a result of the approach to the treatment of water infrastructure for commercial rates purposes, such that a subvention does not need to be paid to Irish Water to fund this cost. Equivalent support, estimated at €59 million, will be given directly to the local authorities through the local government fund.

Section 13 of the Bill provides for an increase in membership of the board of Ervia. The purpose of this section is to provide for an increase in the maximum number of members who may be appointed to the board of Ervia. The measure is part of a reorganisation of the corporate governance structures of Ervia and of Irish Water. A single non­executive board at Ervia level will be responsible for the governance of both companies. The increase in the maximum number of members will ensure that the board has adequate water services experience and expertise.

Section 14 of the Bill is a standard provision to permit the Minister to make regulations to prescribe any matter referred to in the Act as "prescribed" or "to be prescribed". Section 15 of the Bill is a standard provision providing that any expenses incurred by the Minister in the administration of the Act shall be paid out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas, subject to the sanction of the Minister of Public Expenditure and Reform. Section 16 is a standard provision to provide for the Short Title and provide that the Water Services Acts 2007 to 2014 may be cited as such and construed together as one.

In summary, significant progress has been achieved. The structures that have been put in place to date will serve to ensure we have clean, reliable water supplies for our communities and our economy, and adequate wastewater treatment to protect public health and our environment for the long term. The next step is the introduction of a fair and affordable system of water charges and a more robust governance structure for the company that we have entrusted with delivering such a vital public service. The Government recognises that charges must be simple, fair and affordable. People are entitled to clarity on how much their charges will be for the coming years while being given an incentive to conserve water.

The package legislated for in the Bill achieves these objectives.

Approximately 920,000 households have responded to Irish Water's customer application campaign so far. I am delighted with the number who have signed up in recent weeks. The Government has sought to address the concerns of those who have registered and those who have yet to do so. We are simplifying the level and structure of domestic water charges and have achieved a great deal in this regard. We are addressing the genuine public concerns about the governance, ownership and operations of Irish Water. I look forward to a valuable debate on this legislation in the next two days and commend the Bill to the House.

The Minister is still not listening.

I understand the next scheduled speaker, Deputy Barry Cowen, has been delayed. Is it agreed to allow Deputy Brian Stanley to speak first and Deputy Barry Cowen to contribute when he arrives? Agreed.

I welcome the opportunity to speak about the Bill. The legislation represents a massive climbdown when one compares it to the Bill that was rammed through the House before the Government departed on its Christmas holidays last year. This turnaround is an indication of the Government’s nervousness in the face of the campaign against the water charges which will come to the door of the Oireachtas next Wednesday when thousands of people arrive from all over the country to make their voices heard.

I suspect that the legislation has been designed to give the impression that the concessions wrung from the Government by the protests will be permanent. As I stated last week on the commitment, to be given effect in section 2, to hold a plebiscite in the event that the privatisation of water services is proposed, the legislation can simply be amended to remove the requirement to hold such a plebiscite. The same applies to other measures in the Bill, all of which could be removed by the Government of the day through an amendment to the Bill. A future Government could, for example, amend the legislation to increase the various figures provided for in respect of payments, grants and so forth. Given the Minister's statement last week that the measures he had announced would remain in effect until 2018, such changes are inevitable. If the Government survives the next general election, it or some other configuration could amend the legislation to allow for different tariffs. Sinn Féin in government would amend the legislation to eliminate all charges.

Much of the Bill is merely window dressing that has been designed to give the impression that the more lenient regime for water charges announced last week will be permanent. The Government has backed down and knocked off the rough edges of the water charges regime to make it more palatable. The objective of the changes is to stave off the mounting opposition and crisis brought about by the water charges and other Government measures.

The explanatory memorandum states revenue collected by Irish Water will be much lower than projected because of the introduction of reduced flat rates. This means that the net yield from the charges will be less than €100 million in 2015, even if every household were to pay, which is wishful thinking.

Reference is made to conservation grants and it is stated Irish Water will not be required to pay rates. Instead, local authorities will be compensated for the loss of rates through an allocation from the local government fund. This is an absurd proposal. The Government is playing with the figures and using smoke and mirrors to give a particular impression.

Despite the window dressing and efforts to move around the deck chairs on Titanic that is Irish Water, all of the rising costs will ultimately be paid by the taxpayer. The Government has engaged in some nice book-keeping by moving the figures around. Before leaving for Brussels, the previous Minister, Phil Hogan, stated the proceeds of the local property tax would be used to fund footpaths, public lighting, libraries and parks. The fund was raided again this year and used to subvent Irish Water. Surely it would have been better if the Government had taken a more honest approach, cut its losses and abandoned the Irish Water debacle.

The €100 grant is an inducement or bribe that is being depicted as a conservation measure. It does not incentivise water conservation. The Government is taking this money from people with one hand and handing it back with the other. The grant has nothing to do with water conservation and everything to do with keeping the European Commission and EUROSTAT happy because the funding involved can be kept off the balance sheet.

The amount of taxpayers' money spent by Irish Water makes a nonsense of the claim that it is addressing the deficiencies in the water system that result in more than 40% of water being wasted every year. The figures provided for water leaks continually change. The Minister referred to a figure of 49% this morning, having cited a figure of 41% last week.

A sum of €160 million or €40 million per annum was spent on fixing leaks and infrastructure in the years from 2010 to 2013, inclusive. This figure pales into insignificance when compared with the sums paid in consultancy fees, legal costs, bonus payments and for the installation of water meters. The cost of water meters has already increased from an initial projection of €431 million to €539 million. When one adds to this the expenditure on consultants, call centres and the entire Uisce Éireann corporate structure, one arrives at a total of close to €800 million. Not one leak has been fixed with this money, yet the Minister repeatedly states current funding is insufficient to fix the leaks in the water system. He should contrast the €800 million wasted on the Irish Water structure with the measly amount of €40 million per annum spent on fixing leaks.

Yesterday Irish Water provided me with precise figures for expenditure on fixing leaking water pipes. In 2010 only €37 million was spent on fixing leaks, which I accept was not the fault of the Government. This figure increased to €39 million in 2011 and 2012, respectively, and €43 million last year. Irish Water's capital investment programme for the next three years amounts to €150 million - yippee. This means that €50 million will be spent each year on fixing leaking pipes, from which, according to the Minister ten minutes ago, 49% of water is leaking. I understand the correct figure is closer to 41%. Using the €800 million spent on Irish Water to date, we could double the proposed investment in fixing leaks for 16 years and roll out a substantial capital programme or quadruple it for eight years and multiply by four the number of leaking pipes fixed. I visited a clinic run by Irish Water last week to have the figures checked to ensure I was not mistaken. I have them here in black and white.

The commitment given in section 2 to hold a plebiscite if a future Government were to decide to sell Irish Water is not worth the paper on which it is written because any Government that decided to proceed with privatisation could simply introduce a new Bill to amend the legislation before us. Such amending legislation could be pushed through the House in a few minutes. Sinn Féin calls for a referendum to be held on placing the water resource in the hands of citizens where it belongs. They must have the ultimate say on whether Irish Water should be privatised and should be given the right to insert such a clause in the Constitution. The Government proposes to hold several referendums next year, many of which Sinn Féin will support. A simple one line question could be put to the people on the same day as one of the other proposed referendums is held. Only one additional sheet of paper per voter would be required to allow voters to decide whether a new clause should be inserted into the Constitution.

If the Labour Party has no problem with this from an ideological point of view, why should there be any opposition to it? It would seal the matter forever and give us peace of mind in knowing that water resources, infrastructure and apparatus were in the control of the people. We cannot trust future Governments. Nobody knows what shape the Government will take in five, ten or 15 years time. The Labour Party was completely opposed to privatisation, but within the past year it has privatised a large chunk of Bord Gáis which happens to be the Mammy and Daddy of Uisce Éireann. What should the people make of this?

Section 7 of the Bill proposes the establishment of a water forum, which is a recognition of the significant level of public dissatisfaction with Irish Water. Not only do people have a range of issues with water meters, charges and the quality of the work being carried out in dealing with leaks and so on, many have also claimed that they are unable to get in contact with anyone to assist them. That is a major problem.

I am not certain that the type of forum proposed will help matters. Who will be represented at the forum? Will there be a guarantee, as the Bill states, that it will represent the interests of customers of Irish Water? Will it be the case that the 60 or so members will be the usual cronies, hangers-on or suspects of whatever party happens to be in power at the time? Why is there no specific provision for representatives of householders to be included? Why is there no provision to include representatives of trade unions and those involved in local authorities who have the expertise and are providing water services every day?

I welcome the provision in section 6 which will prevent water pressure from being reduced or water being turned off. This is a major step forward for those who cannot or will not pay bills.

Section 4 contains a provision for a €60 late payment charge, or €30 in the case of a household with a single adult, but we are still unclear about the long-term penalties and procedures which might be introduced and when they might be enforced. Perhaps the Minister might provide further clarification when he next addresses the House.

Another issue that is causing concern to many is the role of landlords and private rented accommodation. There is no reference to it in the Bill, but last week the Minister said he would introduce legislation to allow private landlords to deduct unpaid water charges from a tenant’s deposit. That caused controversy, including among landlords. Has the Minister reconsidered this proposal? Given that it is not included in the Bill, has he decided not to give such an unwarranted power to landlords? It is important that he does so, as there is fear about this issue among tenants. The legislation is weak compared to that in other countries and tenants have very few rights and little protection or security of tenure. Long-term leases are not the same as those in other states. People have contacted my office about this issue. Yesterday we dealt with somebody who was being harassed by their landlord demanding that they register. In some cases landlords are threatening to increase deposits. It is clear that there are unscrupulous and greedy individuals who see an opportunity to squeeze more money out of tenants. No doubt some of them will use this as an opportunity to make extra money by intimidating their tenants, or perhaps planning that if a tenant leaves before a bill comes due, they might somehow justify their retaining the tenant's deposit, in whole or in part. Such concerns have been brought to my attention and could lead to legal challenge, if legislated for. The Minister should use this opportunity to make it clear that landlords will have no such power.

I was contacted this week by a student active in the students' union. He reported that students were in an even more precarious position. Landlords have told them that they will be forced to pay a 12 month bill for water, even though they may only reside in a property for seven months of the year or four nights a week. This issue needs to be addressed.

The issue of PPS numbers caused major controversy. Therefore, I welcome the removal of that requirement. I have received calls about the issue, as private landlords were bullying tenants into providing PPS numbers. I am curious, however, about how people will be able to claim the allowance for children under 18 years of age if they do not supply PPS numbers. I have heard answers from the Government on this issue, but I am not entirely clear on how people can be identified. There will be self-declaration. Does the Minister wish to announce another measure, as some landlords are demanding PPS numbers from tenants?

I have mentioned that Irish Water will be exempt from paying rates to local authorities, but they will be made up by taxpayers paying them through the local government fund. I am curious to know how the €59 million rates estimate for Irish Water and other facilities was arrived at. How do we know that the figure is correct, as there has been no audit? With other Opposition spokespersons, we asked the former Minister, Phil Hogan, many times in the House to conduct an audit of all of the facilities that would be available to Irish Water. As far as I am aware and judging from the answers I have heard, to which I have paid attention, no such audit has been completed.

I will conclude by repeating what I said about the climbdown by the Government. The so-called concessions have been forced on it through mass opposition to water charges and the other austerity measures put on people's backs in the past six years. It is clear that the Government is frightened and introducing the new rates and other measures in the hope it will dampen opposition and settle people down. No one knows whether it will be successful. All I can say is that what I have heard up to now is that the process has not been successful. I suspect we will know more next week when there is a planned protest due to be held. I appeal to the Government not to wait until it has to make another humiliating climbdown but to listen to the people and announce the abolition of water charges which are a major imposition.

I want to address a number of points the Minister made. I have heard him refer to the Ringsend plant four times in the past fortnight. I spoke to people in Dublin City Council and what he has said it an insult to it. He has said €170 million was saved. He also told me this was new technology.

To whom did the Deputy speak?

I discussed the matter further with somebody with technical insights. That person told me that effluent from the plant was not being pumped far out into the sea because of the new technology. We welcome this, as well as a €170 - never mind €170 million - saving in taxpayers' money. We do not want to see any taxpayer's or ratepayer's money wasted; rather, we want to see it being put to good use. Dublin City Council could have done exactly the same thing with the same plan and technology and achieved the same outcome.

The previous Minister, like this Minister, referred to water services stopping at county boundaries. Were they never members of local authorities? If they were, they would know that water services do not stop at county boundaries. The water flowing from taps in Tullamore in Deputy Barry Cowen's county comes, I understand, from Clonaslee, County Laois. There is a protocol in place between the two councils. County Carlow which was represented by Phil Hogan supplies water to Graiguecullen, a place I represent. A simple one page protocol would address the matter. There is already co-operation between county councils in the provision of water services and such arrangements have been in place for years. Putting People First was published earlier in the year. There are 31 reformed local authorities, while councillors have more power. I would like to see them have even more power, but I welcome any improvement. The county manager or CEO now has to provide a report every month. The members of local authorities and their staff who are doing work for Uisce Éireann are capable of providing services.

The climbdown on costs in section 3 represents a major move on the part of the Government. I have mentioned the issue of disconnection, in section 6, another good move forced on the Government. If there is to be a water forum, it has to represent householders, trade unionists and those on the front line providing the service.

I have met these people many times and they are very concerned about the water services. These are concerned and dedicated people who want to ensure we have clean water and that it is provided efficiently.

I welcome section 8, which deals with the dispute resolution process. This is necessary. We wanted all of these provisions last year, but we never got the opportunity to tell the Minister. I have a letter of complaint in my pocket from a householder who cannot get any joy from Irish Water regarding a dispute it has with him over damage to property. The withdrawal of the requirement to submit PPS numbers is another huge issue. The Government has climbed down significantly on five fronts, but it should go the extra mile and abolish Irish Water. It is discredited; it has no credibility and never will. Irish Water is shot through. The Minister should abolish it, return to the drawing board and start anew.

There is so much wrong with charging people for water that it is hard to choose a specific issue to raise here. Water is a basic human right, but it is an indication of the mindset of the Government that it is regarded as fair game for boosting income to pay out to banks, such as the payment we heard announced yesterday when the Minister for Finance indicated that Anglo Irish Bank bondholders may get their €280 million, at a time when people are literally dying on our doorstep right outside this institution.

There is no doubt in the world that our water infrastructure needs attention. All over the country there are leaks, almost 50% of which are in local authority facilities. These leaks are a waste of what is a precious resource, but they have not received any attention over the years. It is sad that during the boom and the Celtic Tiger years no investment went into infrastructure to address leaks and inadequacies. The lack of attention to repairing infrastructure gives the lie to the claim that water metering is to do with conservation, particularly when we all know that the money spent on installing meters could have been used to make a massive improvement to our water systems if it had been spent on repairing the leaks and improving piping and infrastructure. This is not just a matter of conservation, because there are lead pipes still functioning all over the country. Is any consideration being given to this issue in the context of health and safety? In my constituency, in St. Brendan's Park in Tralee, an estate of 112 houses, there is lead piping still in existence and high levels of lead in the water, way above acceptable levels. A woman in Corbally, Limerick, brought a sample of her water to a lab and had it tested. It turned out to be ten times over the allowable EU limits for lead. This issue is not confined to areas outside Dublin. I am told that the people of Raheny and Marino, Dublin, have the same problem with lead piping and lead levels that are eight to ten times over the EU limit.

We also have the rural issue. I got a letter the other day from a man who farms 19 acres and is in receipt of a farm assist social welfare payment. He gets a farm assist payment of €128 per week and earns €60 a week from his holding. He points out that he has a metered supply to his house and then pays his county council again for the supply to his land. He states in his letter: "As a customer of Irish Water, my charges at best will be €160 single adult home and €100 non-domestic business customer minus the €100 water conservation grant." He asks what the Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Burton, has to say to people who are paying twice for water. He also mentions another issue that I have raised here repeatedly. The farm assist payment, which was designed to ease the hardship of vulnerable farmers, used to be €204.30 and was means tested at 70% of income. After the 2012 budget, the personal rate was reduced to €180, but means test was raised from 70% to 85% of income. Then, in the 2013 budget, changes to farm assist payments meant that 100% of farm income would be means tested. On top of this, this man must pay the household charge or the property tax, and even before the commencement of domestic water charges, he is already paying €100 for his non-domestic supply. This must all come out of €188 per week. Now, if the Government has its way, he will face another water bill. He tells me his Christmas bonus will amount to €32. This is the reality of people's lives, but the Government has lost touch with that.

The anger of the people was seen on the streets in recent weeks, with over 150,000 people on the streets on one weekend. Every week since, tens of thousands of people across the country have been out protesting against these water charges.

The Government's climbdown on the initial charges has shown the people that people power, through peaceful protest, has an effect. However, the Minister needs to recognise that this is not just about water charges. This anger is the culmination of people's feelings about numerous charges applied over the past three to four years to implement the austerity introduced by the previous government, which have deprived people of spending power. This has had a huge impact on rural Ireland and in areas where people were so dependent on the spending power of low-income families.

People are angry because Irish Water is another quango and because of the excessive bonuses being paid to people who have done nothing to improve the infrastructure. The water charges have become the straw that has broken the camel's back. People see these charges as another broken promise - a promise broken in order to facilitate bankers and bondholders and to promote and institutionalise austerity. People are being made destitute. Austerity is taking so much money from people's pockets that they are unable to give their children a full education. This is the cumulative effect of the implementation of austerity. Why is this? Why are we in a situation in which tens of thousands of people throughout the country are so angry and disgusted by what is happening that they are taking to the streets in peaceful public protest? They have had enough. They have come to the end of their tether and cannot take any more. I expect that next Wednesday, outside this door, we will see anything from 20,000 to 30,000 people. What will the Government do if this number of people turn up on a working day? Will it do the right thing and scrap these charges? Will it listen to people? Will it live up to the promises made when it was in opposition? These are all clear choices that the Government must make.

Opinion polls reflect the fact that people no longer trust the Government. This is not just about water any more; it is about the current Government. It is not just about another broken promise, but about the legacy the Government is leaving behind it and the problems it has created for ordinary, decent working-class families and the people most in need of support, like the farmer I mentioned living on 19 acres of land. The Government is taking money from that man's pocket, the pocket of a man who has to go with a begging bowl to get his farm assist payment. Farm assist has been reduced continuously in successive budgets. Farm assist helps him not to live but to survive, yet the Government is taking this security from him. It is not just small farmers who depend on payments, but also low-income families, people on social welfare, and people who are trying to educate their children and now find themselves unable to provide any support for third level education. These charges are hitting the people most in need and contributing to the decimation of rural Ireland. Austerity is contributing to the fact that in many of our coastal communities people have nothing and most young people have left. They have left because of the austerity being promulgated and promoted by the Government. This must all be examined.

If the Government continues to turn a blind eye and make choices that penalise the people most in need, then it will get its comeuppance at the next election or before it. Next Wednesday, I have no doubt, tens of thousands of people from all over this country will converge on this city and they will converge to ask this Government to go, and go now.

I welcome the opportunity to engage again in debate in regard to the amendments that have been made by Government in this Water Services Bill. I welcome that opportunity in the context of the amended legislation that ensues and the opportunity for us to highlight the difficulties, the problems and the deficiencies of what has been proposed. I welcome the change of heart on the part of Government, which is now anxious to allow extended debate on those very issues. I hope it might go a step further and cater for the proposals that emanate and for the amendments that may be placed before the House with a view to improving on what has been an unmitigated disaster and a terrible debacle on the part of everybody associated with it since its inception.

To further the point made by Deputy Ferris, and to refer to the comments made by the Taoiseach some weeks ago when asked his opinion, his impressions or his response to the groundswell of public opinion and the show of public distaste, distrust and disgust in regard to the whole process and the proposals of Government, the Taoiseach responded by saying it was not just about water. I do not disagree with him entirely: much of it is about water, obviously, but much of it is not. In addition to those who over the last number of weeks and months were ideologically opposed to the concept, many more have joined forces, including many who simply could not afford or could not contemplate being able to afford the sort of prices that were being bandied about - the sort of prices which it was left to those of us in the Opposition and many others to give an estimate of to the public. Having drilled down into the Government's and the CER's analysis, it became apparent that the price would be far in excess of what was initially promised, despite the opposition even to those figures, which were for averages of €240.

In addition, other people have been totally disgusted by and find almost unbelievable the way in which the Government sought to bring forward and make this concept a reality. We have spoken at length about that and I do not wish to go back over ground already furrowed in that sense. Suffice to say that €700 million has been wasted. Suffice to say there has been no effort during the last three years by Government to address the deficiencies that exist in the network. Suffice to say, as Deputy Stanley said, that despite calls by me and others, including many Oireachtas Members, there has been no complete audit, no complete detail, no complete analysis or no complete roadmap of what is required to rectify the system throughout the country and address the deficiencies which exist in Dublin, which are real and live and have to be addressed.

I apologise for not having been present for the Minister's initial statement today. To pick up on his interaction with Deputy Stanley, the Minister again made the point about the savings and efficiencies that are evident in regard to Poolbeg. Of course, we welcome that and we welcome any efficiencies that can be gained in the delivery of projects which have been committed to in the past. We recognise that costs associated with these developments, thankfully, have come down in recent years. However, we also recognise, since the Minister's announcement in the House a couple of weeks ago, that more details have emerged of the lack of clarity and certainty that existed two or three years ago when consultants, at a cost of €75 million, could not give a clear and effective indication of the sort of expenditure that would be incurred in regard to the provision of meters throughout the country. When we add that to the €170 million it cost to set up Irish Water in its entirety, and add that to the €540 million I mentioned earlier, and €25 million on top of that on a yearly basis in regard to interest payments - when we add all of that - it would take a good few Poolbegs to recoup the sort of costs the Minister talks about in this area.

To go back to what the Taoiseach had to say, yes, it is about more than water, and, yes, it is that this issue and the way in which Government has handled it is proving the tipping point that many people can no longer withstand, given the sort of pressures being placed upon them by Government. The Taoiseach must ask himself why that is the case. It is very clear to me and to others that, when we rewind the clock to the 2011 election, we all know the predicament in which the country found itself then and we all know what went before. We all know the efforts that were made by the previous Government to arrest the decline in income and to arrest and close the gap between income and expenditure. We all know a plan was put in place and two thirds of the lifting had been done even at that stage, and one third remained to be done. We accept that much of what had to be done thereafter would prove even more difficult than what went before - of course, we do. We accept that any budgetary measures that had to be taken thereafter would have to be seen to be progressive, not only by the Members of this House but by the experts outside it in their analysis of what had to be done and what was being done. Unfortunately, when we look at the outside expertise, the ESRI, for example, has said that those measures were regressive in nature. That is the first point.

Against that, it is not as if it would be easy for any incoming Government, as it was then, to lay the blame on what went before, although, of course, we expect that in the cut and thrust of politics. However, we have to acknowledge that the previous Government and those within it made the books available to anybody who wished to fight that election. I remember commentary of the current Tánaiste, Deputy Burton, coming out of the Department of Finance ashen-faced. It is not as if they did not know what was facing them but they still continued to inform the public during the course of that election campaign that things would be done differently, and that there would be a revolution, not only in economic terms but in democratic terms and in the way this House does its business, none of which has come to pass. They gave the impression that the economic adjustment would be easier and softer than what was proposed. They gave the impression that any agreement that had been entered into with those who were making funds available at a reduced rate, or a rate other than the then market rate, would be overturned. They gave the impression that any capital expenditure that had been accrued by this State in regard to capitalising banks would be taken back. We heard during the lifetime of the Government, in June 2012, about the game-changer, but we have seen nothing to substantiate that since, only an acknowledgement that the rest of the EU said we had a special case - we were the Barney country of Europe; we were special. It has not gone any further than that and nothing has happened. The green jersey was put on, and there was everything else we heard from the then Tánaiste, Deputy Gilmore, at the time.

The Taoiseach himself made one commitment that captures all that was wrong with that campaign and what has happened since. The Taoiseach stood on the back of a lorry in Roscommon and he told the people of Roscommon that if they gave him two Fine Gael TDs, he would give them an accident and emergency unit in Roscommon. He failed to give them that and he does not have two TDs in Roscommon any more.

He will not have one.

That encapsulates everything that was wrong with what this Government did in the run-up to that election. They won the election fair and square, one would say, and they won it with a huge majority.

As it is 12 noon, I must ask the Deputy to conclude for now.

Debate adjourned.
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