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JOINT COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND SCIENCE díospóireacht -
Thursday, 4 Nov 2004

National Educational Welfare Board: Presentation.

This meeting has been convened to discuss school attendance, the work of the National Educational Welfare Board and the need for its adequate financing. On behalf of the joint committee, I apologise for the delay, which unfortunately related to the vagaries of the democratic system here. I welcome Dr. Ann Louise Gilligan, chairperson of the National Educational Welfare Board, Mr. Eddie Ward, chief executive of the board, and Mr. Frank Smith, director of education services.

Before we begin, I draw attention to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege the same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before it. Members are reminded of a long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or any official by name in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Dr. Ann Louise Gilligan

I begin by expressing our appreciation for this opportunity to address the committee on this matter. As has been indicated, our CEO, Mr. Eddie Ward, will follow my presentation and then Mr. Frank Smith, director of education services, will contribute. We will stay within time.

As I am sure members of the committee are aware, the National Educational Welfare Board was established to implement the National Education Welfare Act 2000. While many people have heard me say this before, I will say it again for the record. It is my belief that this is one of the most positive educational Acts and if fully implemented could change the face of educational disadvantage in our country. Therefore our presentation is important.

Our board was established in May 2001, initially as a designate board to put in place the structures and systems to allow us to roll out the service. Once the Act became law in July 2002, we commenced implementing it by appointing our head office staff and our educational welfare officers. We see our work divided under three very broad headings. The first heading is school attendance. Members will be aware of recent research we conducted, which is a very important focus of our work. Another part of our work, defined in the Act for which we hold responsibility, is the assessment of education of young people who are being educated either in private schools or in their homes, outside school. That is an extremely important part of the board's remit. The board also has responsibility for young people who leave school at 16. It has created a register of the names of such people. It places a focus on ensuring that their education is ongoing.

Having been an educator all my life, I do not believe in talking about the board's progress to date in economic terms. If I were to do so, however, I would say that it has delivered extraordinary value for money to date. I consider that the board has been very under-resourced, but it has made progress in its work with the resources it has been given. It has 84 staff, including the head office team which has made progress on many of the board's responsibilities under the 2000 Act. The team has contacted the parents or guardians of every child between the ages of six and 16 to inform them of their responsibilities under the Act. It has contacted the relevant authorities of every school to inform them of their responsibilities under the Act and to assist them in putting due procedures in place to collect the necessary data for the board.

Research conducted by the board indicates that the process of putting procedures in place is well under way. Approximately 3,000 telephone calls have been received on the lo-call helpline that was established by the head office team. Those who use the helpline are given five minutes of advice on educational matters. The number of calls received by the board indicates that it is well known and that there is a real need for the services it offers.

Many people wonder if the board is forgetting about the legal implications of the Act because it is so focused on its welfare dimensions. The board has to set legal proceedings in train if a family fails to comply and a child does not attend school, for example. I assure the committee that clear legal procedures have been put in place to advance matters if a child's right to a full education is not being upheld.

The board has appointed 73 educational welfare officers at school level. The officers comprise a new and important professional group of people who represent children and defend their need for full education. They are not school-based, although they work in schools. They link home, school and community in a new way. There are 73 professional people working, but we need many more. Mr. Ward will explain that certain counties do not have an educational welfare officer, but the board holds complete responsibility for that under the Act.

I thank the joint committee for the opportunity to address it. My colleagues will amplify some of the points I have made. I thought it was important to give the committee an initial overview.

Mr. Eddie Ward

I thank the joint committee for inviting representatives of the National Educational Welfare Board to this meeting to discuss its objectives as a statutory board. The board provides a service at 18 locations, which are designated as centres of major disadvantage under the Government's RAPID 1 programme. Educational welfare officers work intensively with schools and parents in such areas. A lesser service is available outside such areas, where the board examines the cases of children who do not receive an education at present.

Educational welfare officers provide a service for schools and parents in their local areas. They are available to assist both groups. Officers deal with children who are out of school, do not receive an education at present, have been expelled or are not attending school regularly. They work on appeals when children are expelled from school or refused a place in school. If a child is not in receipt of an education at present, officers have to arrange the immediate putting in place of provisions such as home tuition. They work with families and parents during that time to acquire a long-term placement for the child.

The provision of education and support for families which are trying to negotiate the system is a key part of the board's role. Many of the parents in question will not previously have engaged with education in a meaningful way. The ability of officers to engage in a meaningful way with schools is a key part of the board's work. That relationship is crucial if they are to look after the educational welfare of children who come to the board's attention. It is important to the board that it should have clear working arrangements with schools and other services working with families in local areas.

The board receives referrals from schools and families. It examines the circumstances of each case when deciding on the appropriate level of response. Children who are out of school at present receive priority. In other cases, the board examines the level of concern indicated to it by the school or other referring agencies. It considers the information that is available to it from the child and the work that has been done by the schools. It wants to build on what the schools have done, to enable individual children to improve their school attendance. As Dr. Gilligan pointed out, the board is about to start implementing the final part of the Act by initiating prosecutions where negligence has been demonstrated in respect of a child's education.

National data about levels of non-attendance in schools were not available until reports were received from all primary and post-primary schools last summer outlining the level of non-attendance. Now that the data have been processed, we know the average level of absence in primary schools is 11 days, or just over two school weeks, and the average level of absence in post-primary schools is 15 days. Some 37,000 primary school pupils, or 10% of the total, miss 20 days of school each year. The equivalent percentage of post-primary school pupils is 20%. Attendance levels are lower in poorer areas than in less disadvantaged areas.

The new information the board has received is important because it has given the board a benchmark of where it stands for the first time. It will be easy to measure the improvements we are making from now on. The statistics have informed the board that non-attendance extends beyond the major disadvantaged areas about which we all hear. The board needs to build on the new data by examining the reasons for non-attendance and the patterns of absence. It will use the data during the planning and development of the service and it will study the areas which need attention. It may be a small comfort, but the data have confirmed that the board was right to base educational welfare officers in RAPID areas.

The National Educational Welfare Board has noticed a gradual but steady increase in the number of cases coming to its attention since January. It has over 10,000 live cases at present, or an average of almost 170 cases per officer. With the best will in the world, one cannot deliver an adequate service to all those involved. It is obvious that the level of demand will vary from case to case. The increasing workload is diluting the effectiveness of the service and the board's ability to deliver a service that is aimed at prevention and early intervention.

The board is starting from a low base because it is providing a new service. As Dr. Gilligan pointed out, it has 84 staff, 73 of whom are involved in service delivery. It needs to improve the geographical spread of its services so it can intervene early and respond to problems arising in the nine counties in which a service is not currently provided. It has submitted a proposal to the Department of Education and Science seeking 95 staff for 2005, 93 of whom will be involved in direct service delivery. The board believes the additional staff are necessary to tackle further the problem of non-attendance, the extent of which is indicated by the data to which I referred. The staff would allow the board to operate in the nine counties in which no service is provided at present and to tackle the substantial caseload. They would facilitate the board in developing a presence in rural areas, in which there are problems such as the dispersal of population and distance. We need to deal with that in a meaningful manner, but we have been unable to do so until now. Acceptance of the proposal would enable the board to start preventative work rather than merely reacting.

The cost of our proposal is €6.1 million in addition to our existing budget. This brings our budget request for 2005 to €12.6 million which is less than 1% of the total education budget. The number of people working for the board is well short of the number of teachers in our primary and post-primary systems. It is important to reflect on the benefits of our proposal if implemented. More children would stay in school and attend regularly. Fewer children would leave school with literacy and other difficulties. As we have seen from many researched reports, especially the recent report of the National Competitiveness Council, educational investment leads to improved economic performance, social cohesion, lower crime and less dependency costs in the future in terms of housing and health.

We have painted a picture of the issue of non-attendance. In the last school year, 84,000 children under 16 years of age missed 20 days or more. We must tackle the problem.

Before I invite questions, I commend the board. I thank the board for its involvement in the school places issue in my constituency in Limerick. Educational welfare officers were proactive in engaging with the families with that problem. As I understand it, all the children have been sorted out one way or another.

I welcome everybody to the committee. The figures quoted by the delegation are frightening. We were aware there was a difficulty, which is why the board was established. It is far better to operate the system through the board than the Garda as was previously the case.

Mr. Ward quoted the figure of 84,000. Will he explain the board's role in respect of the 1,000 children who do not complete primary school? While they have in effect left the system, legally the children are supposed to be still in school. How does the board deal with the 5% of 15 year olds who do not complete second level education? I am concerned that this percentage has risen substantially since 1996. What are the board's views on that? Will Mr. Ward comment in the context of the figures quoted on the schemes for disadvantaged areas and the board's role as the Government's adviser on these schemes if such a role exists? Does the board have a remit in terms of evaluating the schemes and judging where they are successful? What work does it do where they are not successful? As the people on the ground, the board's staff can see first hand what is happening better than someone who makes an occasional paper inspection.

The board is in an invidious position. While it is held to be at fault if the service is not provided, the board is not receiving the resources necessary to fulfil its functions. I do not envy it in that sense. Mr. Ward mentioned the home tuition arrangements for children who will not stay in school. How are the arrangements financed? Does funding come from the board's budget? I note that one of the delegates is nodding. I presume that takes a fair chunk out of it.

While the board's engagement with schools is key, it is time intensive. Will Mr. Ward elaborate on how engagement works and decisions are made? Mr. Ward said the board had nine offices. Do all staff members work from those offices or do some work from home? In terms of the practicality of geography and the potential for wasted time, how much time is spent travelling from A to B? Mr. Ward mentioned that the board is only beginning the prosecution stage. Do the figures quoted take account of an evaluation of the impact this process will have on the board's resources? Staff members may well be tied up in the District Court for days on end, which is of concern.

Mr. Ward said my constituency of Laoighis-Offaly makes up two of the nine counties which do not have a dedicated educational welfare officer. Will he explain how the decisions were made in this context? With the exceptions of Westmeath and Meath, the chunk of the midlands from Laois to Cavan and Monaghan on the Border has no educational welfare officer service. I am extremely concerned about how that decision was made. While my experiences in contacting the board have been positive and a service has been provided, teachers in these areas do not feel connected. They do not have a particular person they can contact at all times. Obviously, the issue involves funding but perhaps Mr. Ward will elaborate on the board's intentions. I had hoped more resources would be provided, but if they are not how will a better service be provided in the nine counties mentioned?

I welcome the delegation. I begin with an overview of the crucial importance of school attendance. It was one of the board's reports which highlighted to me during the summer that one in seven children leave primary school with some form of literacy problem which will obviously affect academic achievement and may result in a failure to stay in school. I commend the board for publishing information of this sort on a year-round basis. As well as publicising the work of the board, the vital information which appears in the media and via other means of dissemination is of benefit to all in highlighting need. In today's rapidly changing media landscape, it is very difficult to get a message across. The fact that one in seven children has a literacy problem is a message, as is the fact that one in ten students is absent for more than 20 days.

I wish to obtain another message from the delegation if I can. I met Mr. Ward before the budget last year to get an overview of the board's progress. Among other things, I was told that a cost benefit analysis had been carried out which suggested that a saving of €14 million could be made by the State if it invested in school attendance. Does the board have plans to carry out further analysis? I put down a question to the Minister on the cost to the State of a person in terms of imprisonment, social welfare payments and lost taxation revenue, which I acknowledge are economic criteria. While personal development is important also, the Government thinks along economic lines. Does the board plan to carry out a comprehensive study of the cost to the State in the long term of failing to invest in school attendance and its knock-on effect on literacy?

Will the delegation comment further on whether reports are compiled on the home environment and the reasons children receive less stimulation in terms of literacy and numeracy than they might have 20 years ago? Mitching might not have made as much difference to a child 20 years ago because the home environment was a little more stimulating. Children are often put in front of the television and left there today, with their only chance of learning to read or write being at school. Is there information on that?

I do not intend to be facetious, but I wonder why the board is asking for only €6.1 million this year. Last year, the board sought up to €25 million. At every opportunity, I have called for the provision of this sum to the board to allow it to roll out the full complement of offices. Has the board asked for less this year as a result of the realisation that it has no hope in hell of obtaining the larger sum or does it feel that after a year in operation, its cost effectiveness suggests it can do a great deal more with the relatively measly sum of €6.1 million? I argue that the board should ask for as much as possible in the hope that it will receive a reasonable amount. If the board can make the case for €6.1 million and obtain it from the Minister, it will be a job well done.

I am interested in the issue of geographical and social spread. While the board's report underlines the fact that disadvantaged RAPID 1 areas have the highest level of non-attendance, it indicates that the level nationally is high in absolute terms. If one discounts ethnic minorities and the Traveller community, is the level still relatively high? If so, is there a socio-economic background to the problem? Is the board aware of the reason for non-attendance? Is it related to social factors, for example, the position of farming families? Can the delegation shed light on the matter?

As my constituency borders north Kildare, I am particularly interested in the fact that the area does not have an educational welfare officer working on the ground. North Kildare is important compared to other areas because it is a rapidly growing urban area, similar to Dublin, and, therefore, has a greater need than rural areas to have educational welfare officers on the ground. I do not wish to denigrate rural areas. What would be the practical effect of having one officer on the ground in north Kildare? Is it a priority area?

The presentation noted that the board is working on legal issues and no legal notices were issued in the first six months of this year. Does it intend to sort out everything else first? How many legal notices does it expect to issue in the first six months of next year?

When I asked the previous Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Noel Dempsey, about the lack of educational welfare officers on the ground and its impact on attendance, he replied that the home-school liaison service operates in certain areas. Without touching on political sensitivities, will the delegation outline the difference between the role of the home-school liaison service and the National Educational Welfare Board? I am aware the latter has a statutory role. Is a home-school liaison service sufficient or must both services work in tandem? In that context, as Deputy Enright stated, what plans are there to increase communications between both services and with schools which do not have educational welfare officers?

I congratulate theNational Educational Welfare Board on its work. It can be assured of my support in obtaining the funding it requires.

I welcome representatives of the National Educational Welfare Board and congratulate them on the considerable work the board has done in two short years. The issues they brought to our attention are enlightening and alarming. As a teacher who worked in the classroom until recently, I am interested in the reason absenteeism figures in primary and secondary school pupils are so high. Without attempting to answer that question, I suspect that illness is the reason for only a small fraction of absences.

Did the board investigate the times of year during which absences were highest? This is an important question because I suspect the results would show them to be May and late August to early September when cheap airline fares are available for families. Surprisingly and to the annoyance of teachers, parents who seek grind school tuition for pupils are often the same parents who take their families on sun holidays abroad during these periods. I suspect this is one reason for the increase in absenteeism identified today.

I am also aware that for socio-economic reasons pupils seek part-time work in chain stores during the Christmas period. Schools endeavour as best they can to arrange Christmas examinations to keep students in school as late as possible in the term and should be commended for doing so. At the same time, however, families often argue that households need the money earned through part-time work. In light of such circumstances, the board will clearly face difficulties.

Deputy Gogarty referred to farm duties. Some children in rural areas practically manage farms, perhaps because their parents are elderly or infirm and need assistance. I am concerned that pupils in this position will, unfortunately, lose out because they must attend to immediate duties and will not, therefore, focus on their long-term future.

I assume the Garda Síochána performed the role of the National Educational Welfare Board before it commenced operations. What is the board's relationship with the Garda? Has the Garda's role in this area become redundant since the board assumed responsibility for providing services?

Deputy Enright asked about the criteria used by the board in selecting the regional towns in which its service is provided. I, too, seek clarification on this matter. The board's presence is not clearly felt in north Tipperary. Thurles, for example, has sought an educational welfare officer. What is the position with regard to this application and other Tipperary towns such as Nenagh, Templemore and Roscrea?

On the issue of examination sittings, pupils are absent during the year because of particular illnesses which require them to attend hospital regularly. When such pupils sit State examinations at second or third level, does the board correspond with the examination units of the Department to provide a clear picture as to their circumstances? Such pupils are placed at a serious disadvantage though losing time at school.

Who delivers private tuition in homes? Do parents provide it? How many pupils receive tuition at home as opposed to in public schools?

I am also a former teacher who — this is hard to believe — took up truancy as an option in transition year. While I say this flippantly, I recall that no record was kept of those present or absent, particularly at certain times of the day. I am sure the collection of accurate data remains a difficult aspect of the board's role.

While browsing on the Internet, I noted that the Clondalkin Partnership presented a report to the then Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Martin, in 1997. The report recorded the unbelievable statistic that one third of children were absent from school at any one time. Are similar figures available which would allow the board to make comparisons? The presentation does not include comparative figures. While I am aware the National Educational Welfare Board was only recently established, are other reports available which indicate an improvement in attendance in the past ten years, whether through the board's intervention or the intervention of other agencies? Will the board provide the joint committee with comparative figures on attendance rates, either between areas or with other countries? This would give us a better handle on the issue we are addressing.

Mr. Ward referred to the negligence which would give rise to a prosecution. Deputy O'Sullivan and I are members of the All-Party Oireachtas Committee on the Constitution, which is examining the rights of children and families. Do legal difficulties arise as regards bringing prosecutions? Has the matter been tested? It must be easy for a parent to declare in court that the Constitution places sole responsibility for matters such as school attendance in the hands of parents and that agencies such as the board have no role in the matter.

The presentation touched a little on the correlation between disadvantage and absenteeism. It noted that data indicate that non-attendance is a national issue and is not confined to areas of disadvantage, which is interesting. Which factors give rise to absenteeism and truancy?

The report by the Clondalkin Partnership to which I referred identified a problem in this regard associated with one parent families. One parent families have become much more common in the intervening period — I noted recently figures indicating that in the European Union 26% of children are born to unmarried mothers. Is the fact that only one adult is at home or available to care for children a factor?

Is the board happy with the terms of the National Education Welfare Act 2000 and its operation? Should the joint committee recommend amendments?

I apologise for not being present for the start of the presentation. I have not yet mastered bi-location but I am working on it.

Personation.

Deputy English said I have mastered personation. One of the difficulties with the board is that it was set up on a statutory basis without being given the necessary resources to carry out the work. The Minister is in the enviable position of having no responsibility for this area because it is the responsibility of the board. It is unfortunate that is the case and that the board is left to deal with the situation.

We joked earlier about people going on the mitch and on the hop, so to speak, and we all have some experience of that. However, absenteeism can be caused by factors such as bullying and poverty. I read a report about a parent who would not send her children to school unless they got a breakfast in the morning. Clothes are another factor. If a child does not have a uniform or his or her clothes are not fashionable, he or she can be bullied.

Priests in my area have related numerous cases of children taking advantage of their parents' absence from the house while at work. When they called to find out why children were not attending school, they found the children alone at home and wearing their school uniforms. I am sure the board regularly comes across such cases.

The recent report on west Tallaght, How are our Kids?, proved to be a wake-up call. Such information impacts directly on the work of the board.

Absenteeism is a major problem among Traveller children. Is there a similar problem among the children of immigrants? In my experience, such parents are very keen that their children would get an education, but I am aware there is a problem with immigrants from one or two countries.

This is a slightly sensitive question. What are the backgrounds of people recruited to the welfare board? Are they social workers, teachers or other experts? The board interacts with and consults parents. We all know it is a popular strategy to seek redress in the courts. How much time is spent at the coalface getting children to attend school and so on? Is the bulk of time spent on this activity.

I welcome the group and commend it on the way it has set about its awesome task. As somebody who taught in the south inner city in the 1970s, I am aware of the difficulties with school attendance and I am sure the problem is even more acute now. I pay tribute to the board's predecessors, the school attendance officers, who took on a significant challenge. They had an excellent relationship with teaching staff throughout the areas in which they served.

The three elements of the service are the welfare board, schools and parents. Have any inadequacies become apparent in terms of the power and authority given to the board? I am interested in hearing how the board interacts with parents and teachers. How is the tripartite programme working out and how is it envisaged it will work in future? Are there outstanding matters which should be addressed in legislation?

A number of speakers referred to parental responsibility. As both a former teacher and in my capacity as a public representative, I have been involved with issues such as truancy and related problems of anti-social behaviour, crime etc. in the 1970s and 1980s. The key to the solution is neither the teacher nor the welfare board. It is the home and parents. How does the board view the Act's definition of parental responsibility and what is the impact of the legislation on the board's authority in carrying out its function?

The board's relationship with the home-school-community liaison scheme was referred to. Although the school completion programme is only a pilot scheme, it should also interface with the home-school-community liaison scheme and the board. From what I heard about it recently, I have great confidence in it.

I especially welcome Mr. Frank Smith. Things have gone full circle when I am asking him questions.

Is there something we should know?

It will emerge in due course. I disagree with and wish to distance myself from some of the comments made by my constituency colleague, Deputy Gogarty.

That is no surprise.

One of his statements was irresponsible. He said one should ask for as much as one can and take what one can get. That is no way to run any business or organisation.

It was a tongue in cheek remark.

I know it was but that is not the way it should be done. At budget time, every organisation seeks funds for specific programmes. I will discuss the merits of this application but I would not like it to go out from this committee that the way to do business is to ask for a great deal but take what one gets. If that were the case, the Committee of Public Accounts would be investigating budget submissions for the next ten years. I would not like to see such an approach develop and I do not view this application in that way.

The second point made by Deputy Gogarty related to the economic value of reducing absenteeism and keeping children in school. He stated that ultimately it kept people from going to prison or seeking social welfare and so on. One could argue any figure one likes about the economic cost involved since it is impossible to calculate because school attendance is only one portion of the larger picture. Other factors include the quality of education when it is accessed, family supports etc. I do not know if there is any great merit in investing time and resources in discovering the value of such an approach to be able to say such a service is worth a certain amount because it will always be only one part of a larger package.

I was very impressed with the national data collection carried out by the board to date. The board is newly established and it is helpful to have a specific starting point. It makes the budget submission more straightforward in the sense that the figures have been identified and a programme is being put in place.

It is a pity my colleague, Deputy Andrews has left. He referred to a survey carried out in 1997 by the Clondalkin partnership group which bluntly stated that one in three schoolchildren were absent at any given time. That picture is not supported by the board's figures which do not correlate with it, whether one looks at RAPID areas or elsewhere. A 60% or 67% attendance rate would be required to support that notion while the board's figures are in excess of 85% depending on where one looks. Previous surveys were not done to the same standard as the board employed.

I am a member of a school board of management which received the figures for our school, which shall remain nameless. The average figure for the school caused concern for parents. They wonder if the school does all it can. If a school has a higher level of absenteeism than others, parents become concerned whether the school is doing all it can. These days, when a student is listed in a specific school, he or she stays with that school until he or she is subsequently registered with another. When we examined the figures for the school in question, a grey area arose. We noted that a number of children in the school had disappeared, most of whom were non-nationals. They were still included in the figures as absentees, thereby increasing the school's average, even though they could not be found and no longer lived at their addresses. I urge caution for that reason.

The same applies, although probably to a lesser extent, to Traveller children, as we know from specific examples. In the Dublin area, approximately 80% of Traveller children attend schools in disadvantaged areas. It is a question of balance because individual schools become concerned when they work out their own positions. It affects how parents and others view them. Schools can suddenly be labelled as having a very high level of absenteeism. As the National Educational Welfare Board's figures indicate, schools in disadvantaged areas are affected more than others, and individual schools can come out worse. I would be very careful when analysing this issue. Figures on absenteeism need to have a caveat attached that they are influenced by underlying factors.

I read and understood the budget submission of the National Educational Welfare Board and was impressed by it. Some might say the sum proposed for approval is only €6 million but it is quite substantial in that it is more than double the current sum allocated to the organisation. Does Dr. Gilligan feel confident that the National Educational Welfare Board has the necessary internal management structures in place to let this happen effectively? The submission applies only to one year. What will be the position next year and the year after? The more effective the organisation becomes and the more individual cases it deals with, the more its workload will grow. It is easy enough for the board to say today what is has generated. However, what are its projections for the next few years?

Those are all the questions. I echo the views of the members in that I agree with Dr. Gilligan's statement on the importance of the NEWB's role in addressing educational disadvantage and that, up to now, children did not benefit from the education system as they should have done.

The home-school-community liaison scheme was raised by two members. Clearly, it is of benefit to the children involved if the board and the home-school-community liaison workers can work together. Will Dr. Gilligan expand on that?

Figures indicate that approximately 1,000 children do not transfer from primary level to second level schools. I understand from the Act that they stay on the roll of the primary school until such time that they have been taken into a second level school. What else happens apart from their staying on the roll? Is there proactive intervention? Many children fall out of the system at this stage.

Those over 16 are also vulnerable to dropping out of school. Dr. Gilligan said that one of her roles is to maintain a register of those over 16 who have left school. These young people tend to be quite vulnerable and can fall into various nefarious activities if they do not attend school. Apart from Dr. Gilligan's keeping of the register, does she have any other proactive role in terms of the welfare of these young people?

Dr. Gilligan

That was an excellent set of questions and comments. My colleagues and I appreciate the richness of the committee's reflection. I will comment on four areas and then ask Mr. Eddie Ward and Mr. Frank Smith to address two other distinct areas.

As one is aware, we have taken over the responsibilities that were established under the 1926 Act and reviewed in 1936. One of the great laments in the history of education in this country was that the Act was never fully implemented. The first remit of the NEWB is the responsibility to implement fully the Education (Welfare) Act 2000, as it stands, although there might be some finer details that we could discuss at a later date.

Let us consider the questions of how much money we are asking for this year and how much we asked for initially. We worked for our first year with a consultant called Rochford and got a lot of national and international advice on the kind of service needed and what we should do. In light of that advice, we decided to roll out a three-year plan over three phases. Our very first budgetary requirement necessary to introduce phase one amounted to more than €12 million. This was not delivered and therefore we had to go back to the drawing board with the €3.5 million we were given and from that base implement the Act more slowly.

To implement the Act fully, we need a staff of 360. The answer to the second question is "No". If we get our budgetary requirement for this year, it will perhaps move us to phase two. We are convinced that we now have the systems and structures in place to roll out the next phase of the Act. We have an excellent training system in place and trainees come to us from a rich diversity of backgrounds. They include teachers and social workers. Mr. Smith will elaborate on this. The professional training for an educational welfare officer is distinct and each person is given that training.

A total of 84,000 primary and post primary students under 16 years of age missed 20 days or more during the 2003-04 school year. Under the remit of the Education (Welfare) Act 2000, the National Educational Welfare Board's staff are the only people who have statutory responsibility in this regard. We claim correctly that we have been at the forefront of trying to integrate with services that are tackling disadvantage and school drop-out. The Vice-Chairman rightly mentioned the school completion project and the home-school-community liaison workers. Since our service began, we developed and shared with the Minister a set of protocols on how we should all work together. We have also established, under our chief executive officer, CEO, a school implementation team. We are extremely concerned that we offer an integrated service and are convinced, on the basis of the stories from the ground and our research to date, that none of the various services is in excess of need. In fact, we need much more of the same.

The Deputy correctly made an excellent connection between literacy and school absenteeism. Our remit is related to ensuring that the rights of all young persons are delivered and that they receive a full education. If they do not receive a full education, literacy levels slip, as was correctly implied. This is corroborated by Peter Archer's research on home-school-community liaison officers to the effect that there is considerable work for these officers to do in increasing literacy levels of children at home through paired reading. They have done much of this work over the years. The Deputy is correct that a joint effort must be made on the part of all the relevant organisations.

Our research was preliminary research. The gathering of this first round of data and the clarification thereof were carried out with my colleagues and Peter Archer in the Educational Research Centre, St. Patrick's College, Drumcondra. We gathered data under a certain set of headings and using a certain set of criteria. We are now in a position to go back out. I hope we will have the opportunity to return to the committee on this. This year we will have a much more detailed report and analysis because this year we are asking schools to report in a much more detailed fashion on the nature of absenteeism and why young people are absent. That will also address some of those concerns but it will occur later.

We were asked why we chose certain areas and not others. There is a judgment call here. If a board is extremely under resourced, it must make difficult decisions on how one will roll out the service, for example, where one has 73 people instead of 300 plus. We indicated earlier that we decided to focus on areas of greatest poverty because we know — Thomas Kellaghan and others have indicated — those are areas with the highest levels of absenteeism. As our data have proven true, that was the correct place, as Mr. Ward stated, to focus. However, our remit is not simply related to those areas. It is nationally based. We will clarify that school absenteeism is not simply a class-based issue. Across the board, our young people are not having the education they require.

We obtained sanction for a further ten posts. A number of months ago we had hoped to deliver an educational welfare officer into each of these counties and places mentioned already. While we have been given the money, sadly we have not been given the sanction to appoint people to them. That relates to last year. We ask membrs of the committee to raising each of the items and try to advance our work in the best ways possible.

When Dr. Gilligan stated the board was given the money, did she mean it was given the money specifically for the ten people or was it just given an extra allocation in budget?

Mr. Ward

Our budget for 2004 contained money which allowed for the recruitment of ten staff. That was subject to the Department's sanction to recruit these ten staff and sanction has not been received.

Were any reasons given for that?

Mr. Ward

It would have been tied up with the general public sector policy on numbers.

Dr. Gilligan

We consider it important not to impose those sanctions on the roll-out of a new service.

Mr. Ward

The point had been made that we are doubling budgets but we are a service in its infancy. I would concur with Dr. Gilligan that applying the same kind of criteria to a service in its infancy would not appear to be the right way to proceed if one wants to put a national service in place. Our objective is that we will get to a position where we do have a national spread. At present, nine counties, including Kildare, do not have a service. If our proposal is accepted, we will prioritise those in 2005.

Many points have been raised by Deputies and Senators and I will try to deal with some of them. It is not our intention to label schools about the levels of attendance. The data were not gathered for that purpose. They were gathered to simply give us an overall picture of the levels of attendance in the schools and will be used for that purpose to enable us to target supports to them. We will not publish any data which would show schools in a bad light. However, that information should be available to the local parents' association. In many ways, under the law this information should be already available locally to the parents' association.

Under the law, the responsibility for school attendance begins with the parent. The parent is responsible for ensuring his or her child is in school every day. If the child is absent, the parent is required to tell the school and give the reason. Schools then monitor the situation from their side and inform the board as various thresholds are reached. They inform the board if they are concerned, regardless of whether the 20 days' limit is reached. They can inform the board at any time that they are concerned about the level of absence.

At that stage the board would engage with the school, first, to find out what information is available at school level. That engagement would take place, whether with the school principal or anybody deemed appropriate. The home-school liaison officers are available in approximately 400 of our 4,000 schools. It is up to the school management to decide who would be the appropriate person for us to deal with. We would then visit the home and over a period of time, while the child is absent, we would try to work on those reasons. We would ask the following question: are additional supports needed in the home? We have had examples where other services had not been able to access homes or did not know. This would have been in situations where school attendance would have been the first point where these children came to the note of any official body. Over a period of time if we form a view that the person is not engaging with the board and is not co-operating, then we would have to give strong consideration to taking a legal prosecution. A prosecution will be taken only if we believe it is likely to bring about an improvement in school attendance.

The question of home tuition was raised. Home tuition is an interim arrangement until the longer-term situation about the child is worked out. It should not be confused with the different situation where a parent decides to educate his or her child at home. Where a home tuition arrangement is put in place, it is done so with the support of the Department of Education and Science. The Department meets the cost and processes it, but we are there to enable the parent to get that application submitted and to make the necessary arrangements.

The issue about the 13,000 children who leave school early and who do not sit the leaving certificate has been raised and we were asked what happens to the thousands who do not make the transfer from primary school to post-primary school. Under the legislation the names of all children on the school register who are not attending school should be reported. That is the way it will operate, as envisaged under the legislation. Where a child is absent, he or she will come to our attention. While we had these estimates previously, nobody knew the names. We are now in a position to put names on these children and already our staff would be touching base with the primary school and monitoring the transfer. In the long term, that would be done through comparing pupil databases. It is clear that it needs to be done when the transfer between schools occurs and that names are put on these cases.

Mr. Frank Smith

Mr. Ward has already addressed the issue of home tuition. Home tuition, as Mr. Ward explained, is where there is a short-term issue such as where, for example, a child has been expelled. The Department of Education and Science has a budget to assist where there is a short-term difficulty and we are trying to make an arrangement, for example, for another school or where there may be an appeal ongoing. At present 800 children avail of home tuition.

Home education, which is children being educated at home, comes under our remit under section 14 of the Act. We have the remit to assess the education under the Minister's guidelines, which were issued in November.

Deputy Curran is correct that there are many other factors that surround an attendance issue. These can include supports at home, the parental situation, the quality of education at school and the attractiveness of a school for children or for parents. Under the Act we have a remit, on which we are starting work, which involves helping schools develop school attendance strategies. This covers nine areas from, for example, schools recognising good attendance all the way through to schools looking at their curriculum, teaching practices, etc., to see how they can develop strategies for improving school attendance. We will be developing those guidelines. We are already working with a school development planning initiative under the Department of Education and Science. We have been co-operating with the Department in providing seminars around the country for teachers involved in school planning and we will be working on our guidelines in that area.

Deputy Curran also mentioned the issue of parents having access to the data and Mr. Ward addressed that point. It is correct to assume when the board communicates the data to parents, it will develop its own way of reporting. There is a story in every school. We will issue guidelines to schools in the next couple of weeks, part of which will address school attendance records and what is required. For us, school attendance records form the core information.

Deputy Crowe said children might be absent from school because they were being bullied or there were problems about the school uniform or parents felt the school was not making them welcome, for example, in respect of cost. Our national helpline has fielded over 3,000 calls, many of which concerned these issues because parents believe they cannot raise them directly with schools. The helpline is staffed by experienced welfare officers who explain to parents how they should address these issues. It may be a matter of how they should communicate with the school or even as basic as how they should contact the principal and make an appointment or simply giving advice on these issues. We try to address the problems through the helpline. There are many reasons children are not in school. We will address this issue in research in the next year.

I live in the constituency of Laoighis-Offaly which has no educational welfare officer. We are trying to establish permanent offices for such officers, some of whom work alone, which has implications for the board. It has taken the six to eight months to get offices up and running. We are in the process of setting up the last two or three. Before moving into their offices, effectively, officers worked from home. The offices are necessary because of the need for privacy, confidentiality and security of the children's files. We have several schemes operating on a pilot basis to make the offices available to the public in order that parents will not be confined to contacting us by telephone. As professional workers, it is important for us to have a professional workplace from where our officers will be in direct contact with head office through email etc.

Deputy O'Sullivan raised the problem being encountered in Limerick. This is a good example of how the National Educational Welfare Board, the Department of Education and Science and other services in Limerick came together to resolve a difficult issue. The board has arranged a meeting with the Department which will consider, with the individual groups such as home-school liaison teachers and visiting teachers for Travellers, how we can improve liaison and the lessons to be drawn from this nationally.

With parents, schools have the first responsibility to ensure children are in school. If we are not given extra resources, for example, through the home-school liaison scheme or school completion project, we will not change this. Our statutory responsibility is to ensure the work is done. A good example is the transfer of pupils from primary to secondary school. Limerick offers a perfect example. Before we arrived in January, there were children who had not transferred. Through co-ordination with us, they were brought to light, with the other issue which was separate but related.

Educational welfare officers come from a wide range of backgrounds: some are teachers while others are former nurses, social workers, youth workers and staff from Barnardo's. I am a former school principal. All come from child-related services and interacted with children and parents in their previous careers. This enriches the organisation of the National Educational Welfare Board which is not just a school based organisation; it does not view situations through the school prism. As a group, we have wide experience and can look at issues from different points of view. This helps us relate to other agencies with which we work, whether the health boards or other children's organisations. There are officers who have worked in such organisations. Therefore, we are not new to this work.

We do not have a direct relationship with the State Examinations Commission because communication with it about attendance difficulties is first and foremost a matter for the school principal. However, the board is willing to give assistance if needed but the principal makes the first contact.

How many children permanently receive private tuition at home?

Mr. Ward

An estimate made some years ago showed a figure of about 500 families. There are other children being educated in schools not recognised by the Department. These are private schools which cater for approximately 5,000 pupils. Special arrangements are made to deal with them.

I wish to clarify a few other issues which have not been covered. The Education Welfare Act removed the formal role for gardaí but they might still have a role in the school attendance strategies about which Mr. Smith has been speaking, the school connections with the community and other agencies. The juvenile liaison officer could be playing a positive role for the betterment of young people.

The Act provides that 16 and 17 year olds who leave school to enter employment should register with the board and that they sign up to a commitment to undertake ongoing education. The educational welfare officer has to take account of where the young person comes from and how his or her needs can be met in his or her environment, whether through night classes, the VEC or other arrangement. This is a way to ensure the young person concerned will keep avenues of further training and education open and will not get locked into something that seems attractive in the short term but which promises very little for the future.

What happens if they do not register with the board?

Mr. Ward

They should not be employed. There is an obligation on employers to check they are registered with the board.

Mr. Smith

That is a gap in the Act in that if children leave at 16 years and are not in work, they fall outside our remit. They only register with us if they are in work.

There is a gap even in terms of employers, who may not be particularly interested in registering them.

Mr. Smith

We should be careful not to confuse this with the recognised systems of apprenticeships which involve many young people learning very valuable skills and trades. The number of those we are discussing today, the 16-year-old and 17-year-old children who leave school to take up employment, may not be as significant as it has been. We do not know.

Dr. Gilligan

The Chairman asked about 15-year-old children leaving school and perhaps going into Youthreach and so on. We have had an excellent meeting with the Minister of State with special responsibility for children, Deputy Brian Lenihan, when we asked that the various programmes available are officially prescribed as formal places of learning in this State. There are many anomalies in the area, with Youth Horizons and Youthreach, for example, not as yet prescribed. We have asked for them to be prescribed.

The Chairman also asked if we have any sense of the cost to the State or could present a cost analysis. We could conduct such research under the remit of the Act. However, the cost to every child currently missing out on education cannot be estimated. No child gets a second chance to live his or her childhood and enjoy the educational opportunities missed out on. Accordingly I must put before the committee the responsibility of the board to ensure a full service.

As a way of promoting some action, since the meeting is drawing to a close, would it be agreeable for the committee to contact the Minister and ask when the ten new staff are to be sanctioned, since the budget is there?

I was about to suggest that on behalf of the committee, if that is agreeable. We should also take the witnesses up on their offer of returning in perhaps a year's time when they will have more detailed research and hopefully more money.

I thank the witnesses for their informative contributions. We wish them well in their work in the future. If there is no other business the joint committee is adjourned until Thursday, 18 November at 11.30 a.m. when we will meet a delegation from the Committee on Science, Education, Arts, Youth and Sports of the Parliament of the Czech Republic.

The joint committee adjourned at 1.35 p.m. until 11.30 a.m. on Thursday, 18 November 2004.

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