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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ENTERPRISE AND SMALL BUSINESS díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 8 Nov 2006

Reform of the Irish Insurance Market: Presentation.

A submission from the PIBA on the fifth phase of our consideration of the reform of the Irish insurance market has been circulated. This submission will be considered when we come to finalise our report. I welcome Mr. Myles O'Reilly, consultant to the joint committee. I welcome Assistant Commissioner Eddie Rock and Inspector Con O'Donohue, traffic, of the Garda Síochána, and Mr. Noel Brett of the Road Safety Authority to the meeting.

Before asking Mr. Brett to commence his opening statement, I draw attention to the fact that while members of this committee have absolute privilege, the same privilege does not extend to witnesses. Members are also reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I understand from Mr. Brett that Mr. Byrne was not available this morning but has offered alternative dates on which he could make himself available to the committee. I ask Mr. Brett to liaise with the clerk to the committee in that regard. Mr. Brett has ten minutes to make his submission, following which Assistant Commissioner Rock will make a statement. We will then have a question and answer session.

Mr. Noel Brett

I apologise on behalf of the chairman, Mr. Gay Byrne, who unfortunately has a prior commitment at DCU where he is a member of the board. As directed by the Chairman, I will liaise with the clerk regarding a suitable date for Mr. Byrne to attend the committee.

I thank members for the opportunity to attend the committee this morning to make a brief presentation and to answer any questions they may wish to put to me as CEO of the Road Safety Authority. I assume members of the committee received a copy of my submission in advance and for that reason I will highlight some of the key points, bearing in mind the time limit.

The submission is in five parts. Part 1 seeks to give an overview of some of the key points reflecting road safety today. Part 2 draws attention to the key messages now being highlighted by the Road Safety Authority to the broadest spectrum of road users. Part 3 highlights some of the benefits accruing from best practice across all of the agencies working in road safety. Part 4 provides more detailed information and highlights some of the RSA's earlier work in trying to assess the level of public support for some interventions. Given the lead shown by this committee on random breath testing and other initiatives, it is important we report to it what we find when we run our advertising campaigns on drink driving.

As this is the first time I have been before the committee, I want to outline the Road Safety Authority's functions since 1 September and give a brief overview of some our current projects. Since 1990, there have been 10,000 fewer deaths and serious injuries on Irish roads, a potential economic saving of €2 billion. In the same period, 100% more vehicles have been licensed. The current road safety strategy is based on the three E's — education, enforcement and engineering. It is important to restate that according to our research, 92% of fatalities on Irish roads are directly attributable to road user behaviour. Speed is the major factor: 40% of fatal collisions are caused by excessive and inappropriate speed. From our statistics, 40% of road fatalities in Ireland are related to alcohol, whether on the part of drunk drivers, riders or pedestrians.

Random breath testing has been in place for a number of months. The period from July to October 2006 saw 30 fewer people killed on the roads in comparison with the same period in 2005. This represents a 21% drop in road deaths in a four-month period. The number of serious injuries we would assume would accrue in that period would be more than 300. It is much too early to say this is directly attributable to mandatory alcohol testing but it is interesting that the period coincides with the introduction of random breath testing. One can look at the experience in other countries. When Switzerland introduced random breath testing in 2005, there was an immediate 25% reduction in fatalities. Our early figures give us heart and reinforce the correctness of the policy. We will monitor this because we want three or four years' data before we come back to say definitively that it works but we are now back in the space as a nation where we were in November 2002 with the introduction of penalty points. With the continued support of the public and levels of enforcement, particularly in respect of mandatory alcohol testing, this trend will, one hopes, continue.

The wearing of seat belts is still an issue.Our last survey shows that 40% of primary schoolchildren and 45% of secondary schoolchildren are not belting up in the back seat on the school run. We did a lot of work during the summer to ensure the use of seat belts on school buses. The European directive on the mandatory wearing of seat belts and child restraints is now in place and we are targeting parents and young people to increase the level of seat belt wearing and the correct use of child safety seats and restraints. In one of our surveys, staff went into supermarket car parks and engaged with parents, examining the seats that were fitted. Almost 80% were incorrectly fitted, so there is a major job for us to do to educate parents. We have a DVD and other programmes to achieve that aim.

The most recent research shows that across Europe up to 20% of collisions are possibly the result of driver fatigue. Recent research from Loughborough University sleep disorder unit tells us that fatigue is as dangerous as driving at or above the drink-driving limit. Last week we launched our most recent campaign on driver fatigue targeted at long distance drivers, shift workers and people with sleep disorders.

Currently in Ireland, young men are most at risk on our roads. Those between 17 and 24 years of age are between seven and eight times more likely to be killed or seriously injured than any other age group. This constitutes a massive over-representation of young people, particularly when we consider that this age group makes up only 6% of the population. The reason for this statistic is driver inexperience. For every kilometre driven, a 17 year old male is eight times more likely to be involved in a crash than a middle-aged man. This is a stark statistic.

Members are well aware of the times of day at which most collisions take place. The most dangerous period on the roads is Friday, Saturday, Sunday and the early hours of Monday morning when 60% of road traffic accidents take place.

In terms of the road network, the safest roads are motorways and high quality dual carriageways. Regional and local roads make up 94% of the road network, take 52% of traffic volumes and are the location for 60% of fatal collisions. Issues clearly arise with regard to the condition of our roads. The more engineering interventions take place, particularly in developing motorways and high quality dual carriageways, the better will be the outcome.

As the key messages are set out in the presentation, I do not propose to refer to each of them. However, I draw members' attention to point 7 which reflects on recent changes in the Road Traffic Act 2006. This legislation gives the Garda powers to conduct mandatory roadside testing, a system that resulted in a decrease of 25% in the number of road traffic accidents following its introduction in Switzerland. The Act also provides for the establishment of a network of safety cameras for which tenders will go out shortly. In France, the number of crashes declined by 85% at sites at which safety cameras were introduced. The Road Safety Authority will closely monitor this development and wants significant research carried out to compare the position before and after the introduction of safety cameras. Its role in this regard will be to ensure members of the public understand the benefits of safety cameras and the reasons they are being introduced in order that they will buy into the concept. We will also seek to ensure we do not repeat some of the mistakes made in other jurisdictions. The ban on hand-held mobile phones is in place. The authority seeks to ensure public awareness and information campaigns are carried out to reinforce the measures I have outlined.

The benefits of improved road safety are listed on page 6 of the presentation. The joint committee will be aware of the work of Peter Bacon who demonstrated that every euro invested in road safety delivered a potential €8 in return. The main benefits in reducing the numbers of deaths and serious injuries are as follows: the freeing of scarce accident and emergency department and emergency service resources; potentially freeing beds and resources in the acute hospital network; reducing welfare payments arising from death and serious injury; maintaining taxation revenues; reducing insurance premia; avoiding the distress caused in the community; and better use of road infrastructure.

In the six months following the introduction of penalty points in November 2002 the number of admissions to the national spinal injuries unit in the Mater Hospital resulting from road collisions decreased by 50%. People changed their behaviour for a period but we have since lost some of the ground that was made up. The number of admissions to Beaumont Hospital as a direct result of road traffic accidents declined by 44% during the same period. In Cork University Hospital the number of admissions to the accident and emergency unit as a result of road collisions fell by 20%, while the decline in the number of collision related attendances in Tralee General Hospital was 26%.

When measures such as penalty points are introduced with public support and backed up with enforcement, they pay off. We hope there will be a similar pay-off from the increasing use of penalty points, the roll-out of mandatory alcohol testing and, in 2007, the introduction of safety cameras. The Road Safety Authority will closely monitor the position.

Page 8 of the presentation features a series of graphs to show who is responsible for fatalities and serious injuries on the roads. The number of deaths from road traffic accidents is seven times greater than the number of murders. Road traffic accidents are a significant killer. The most interesting feature highlighted in the graphs is on page 9. The top graph shows the decline in the numbers killed and seriously injured since the baseline year of 1990. Since 1990 there have been 9,515 fewer deaths and serious injuries. The economic saving from this decrease exceeds €2 billion. Over the same period, as a second graph on page 9 shows, the number of registered vehicles in the State has increased by 100%. Notwithstanding this, the numbers for deaths and serious injuries are declining against a 100% increase in the number of registered vehicles.

On the top of page 10 the main causes of death and injury are highlighted, namely, excessive and inappropriate speed, driving while intoxicated through drugs or alcohol, driver fatigue, failure to wear seatbelts, failure to restrain children properly and failure to recognise vulnerable road users. A graph highlights the roads on which fatalities and serious injuries are occurring.

Penalty points in other countries are highlighted on page 11. When France introduced penalty points, there was a 32% reduction in the number of road deaths between 2001 and 2004. France is now being held up as one of the best countries in Europe in terms of the progress it has made in such a short time. In Austria there was a reduction of 75 in the number of road deaths per year after it introduced penalty points.

As regards speed cameras, the number of collisions at camera sites has dropped by 85% in France. Despite a lot of public disquiet about speed or safety cameras, there has been a 50% reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured at speed camera sites in the United Kingdom.

As regards random breath-testing, I have given the joint committee the early view in terms of month-on-month figures. In Switzerland there was a 25% drop when it was introduced. Many other countries started a long way ahead of Ireland. Sweden, for example, has had a 20-year head start. By learning from other countries, with the legislative support we have received from the Oireachtas and the enforcement system now in place, Ireland can perhaps short-circuit the process and not take as long. It may be able to achieve in four or five years what other countries have taken much longer to do. Clearly, we know what is working in other countries and have in place many of the building blocks to deliver on this.

Our perception of public support for this work is highlighted on page 13. The headline on the top graph concerns the last survey we did which checked that our road safety advertising campaigns and drink driving advertisements were reaching the audience. Some 79% of respondents told us that they wanted to see more people being breath-tested. I know from talking to members of the Garda Síochána that when they engage in random breath-testing, there is a lot of support and enthusiasm among the public for that level of enforcement. Some 77% of drivers in our survey wanted more severe penalties for drink driving. Therefore, the public is with us.

On page 14 we show what people saw as shameful behaviour in society. Sexual abuse was considered the most shameful, followed by drug dealing, drink driving and speeding down to tax evasion among others. In the public's mind, drink driving and road safety issues are very much at the top of the list.

I want to alert the joint committee to a graph on page 15. We asked the firm Millward Brown to do this research for us and a sample of people what issues were important to them. Health care was the most important, followed by road safety, at just 2% behind, ahead of drugs, crime, education, unemployment, waste management, the environment, sports and leisure, and other issues.

The Road Safety Authority has been established in law since 1 September. We have responsibility for delivering the driver testing and licensing service, as well as for all the road safety work previously done by the National Safety Council. The authority is also responsible for everything to do with vehicle testing and standards, oversight of the NCT and commercial vehicle roadworthiness testing. Road safety research was previously a function of the National Roads Authority. It was transferred to the Road Safety Authority on 1 September. The RSA also has certain road haulage functions such as the issuing of digital tacographs and, alongside the Garda Síochána, enforcement activity as it relates to haulage licences, tacographs and drivers' hours.

A new piece of our work involves regulation of the driving instruction industry. Currently, the industry is unregulated. We need to have approved driving instructors in place in order that we can properly address how drivers are taught. We can then introduce measures such as compulsory basic tuition, in respect of which we published our proposals and engaged in extensive public consultation which closed on 8 September. We hope to have regulated driving instructors by July 2007. Driver vocational training is the subject of a new European directive for professional drivers and we have been tasked with putting that measure in place. Driver vocational training forms part of a new EU directive for professional drivers, but we are not tasked with its implementation.

The current road safety strategy expires on 31 December and we are tasked in law with producing the next one and presenting it to the Oireachtas. We are working on proposals, some of which entail a review of the current strategy. We have advertised public consultation and been overwhelmed by the response from members of the public who have set out what they want the agencies to do. We are also in possession of a great deal of research from other countries. We hope to bring a strategy to the board in January with a view to providing it for the Minister in February or March and subsequently the Oireachtas.

We are carrying out the review of the roadworthiness testing regime for buses and commercial vehicles, which the Oireachtas asked for following some of the school bus incidents earlier in the year. The process is well under way and three public meetings are being held with the industry in Limerick, Cork and Dublin. We hope to have the work completed by the end of December for production to the Oireachtas.

I have alluded to the regulatory system governing the driving instruction industry. The key issues are compulsory basic training for motor cyclists, the reduction of the driver-testing backlog, better education in schools and promotional campaigns.

Mr. Byrne can tell us the remainder the next time he is before the committee. I welcome Assistant Commissioner Rock and Inspector O'Donohue.

Assistant Commissioner Eddie Rock

I am pleased to attend to assist and answer as best I can the questions the members may pose. While I am here primarily to respond to members, I am also here to listen and take on board their advice and recommendations. I will make a brief presentation to allow more time for discussion and refer to traffic corps personnel and resources, the penalty points system, random breath testing and the impact on drink driving of enforcement and greater visibility, which is important, road fatalities, speed cameras and uninsured vehicles.

Additional personnel have been assigned to the traffic corps throughout the year and its current strength stands at 745. By the end of the current year, an additional 60 personnel will have been allocated to bring the corps to its projected total strength of 805 in accordance with the agreements laid out. Garda enforcement activities in respect of penalty points continue to be enhanced through the allocation of additional personnel and resources. The fixed-charge system was extended significantly on 3 April. If errant motorists opt to pay fixed charges, which is their choice, the amount of time spent in court by gardaí and members of the public will be reduced. Over 20,000 fixed-charge notices have been issued in respect of the new penalty-point offences. We hope the long-term effect of the fixed-charge penalty points system will be an improvement in the compliance culture and, consequently, a reduction in the numbers of road collisions, fatalities and injuries.

Given the contribution of speeding to road collisions, speed enforcement plays a significant role in our enforcement strategy. In 2005 the number of fixed-charge notices issued for speeding totalled 143,651, which number has already been exceeded this year according to provisional statistics, with the issue of almost 152,669 fixed-charge notices for speeding offences committed between 1 January and 30 September. The number of seat belt offence detections has also increased this year, with provisional statistics for the first ten months of the year indicating the issue of 20,076 notices compared with 18,084 in 2005. Legislation has been introduced on the use of mobile phones while driving, with provisional statistics showing a total of 2,525 fixed-charge notices issued in respect of alleged offences committed to the end of October. The idea of a tiered penalty points system has been raised in the committee's correspondence. It is an issue which may be reviewed with the benefit of the experience gained following the roll-out of the outsourced safety camera programme next year.

Legislation underpinning mandatory alcohol testing, introduced on 21 July, has proved extremely helpful to the Garda in tackling drink driving. The general public has willingly accepted the legislation, which acceptance is witnessed daily by gardaí at checkpoints. Provisional statistics indicate over 100,000 breath tests have been conducted at random checkpoints under the new system. There were 14,211 detected drink driving incidents recorded on PULSE from 1 January to 31 October this year compared to 10,613 for the corresponding period in 2005, an increase of 34%. The tables in the script show how the numbers of drink driving detections have increased significantly since the introduction of MAT checkpoints, when compared with the same period in 2005. The statistics show that the numbers of detected drink driving incidents recorded on PULSE in the three-month period in 2005 when compared with the same period this year have increased significantly. The increase in the August 2006 figures compared with those for August 2005 was 51%. The increase in the September 2006 figures compared with those for September 2005 was 71%, while the increase in the October 2006 figures compared with those for October 2005 was 43%. In spite of the enforcement and media-educational campaigns conducted with our partners in road safety, the statistics indicate that there is still a culture of drink driving, unfortunately.

When an arrest takes place for a drink driving offence, there is a significant knock-on effect in terms of Garda hours lost to visible enforcement activities. A recent study of a sample of drink driving detections showed that the total Garda time spent processing a drink driving case from arrest through to court hearing ranged from 40 to 100 hours. This included over 20 hours spent by the arresting garda on file preparation, statements, notification of witnesses and court appearances.

Between 1 January and the date the mandatory alcohol testing, MAT, provisions came into effect on 21 July 20 more people were killed on our roads when compared with the corresponding period in 2005. Between 1 January and today 315 people have been killed on the roads, 14 fewer when compared with the corresponding period in 2005. The number of fatal collisions to date this year has decreased by 25 when compared with the corresponding period in 2005. While the rate of fatal road traffic collisions has fallen significantly, it is too early to assert that there is a sustained trend. Additional resources have been deployed for enforcement of drink driving legislation, in particular at weekends during the hours from midnight to 8 a.m. These times have been selected because of the disproportionate level of road fatalities to traffic volumes on these days. I am also conscious that the incidence of drink driving detected tends to follow the incidence of fatal collisions during these hours.

In regard to speed cameras, work has commenced on the necessary procurement process to engage a service provider. Given the complexity of the process and to ensure adherence to EU and national procurement regulations, including the prescribed time periods, procurement support services required to facilitate the outsourcing process have been engaged. The preparation of a call to the market for expressions of interest in tendering for the project is almost complete and the advertisement will issue within a matter of days. Following the call for expressions of interest, a number of candidates will be awarded pre-qualification status and short-listed to proceed to the next stage. A request for tender will be made to the short-listed candidates and the successful one will be selected on the bias of the tender received. In parallel with this process work is ongoing between the Garda Síochána and the National Roads Authority in identifying locations that have a speed related collision history. If the plan runs to schedule, the service provider will be operating safety cameras by the end of the second quarter of 2007.

In regard to uninsured vehicles, a topic not covered in my written submission, the statistics for 2005 show that the number of seizures under section 41 of the Act stood at 12,643. However, legislation enacted on 21 July this year covers foreign registered vehicles. Since that date 444 foreign registered vehicles have been seized.

That gives a general overview of traffic enforcement.

Has the number of seizures of foreign registered vehicles increased on the figures for previous years?

Assistant Commissioner Rock

We did not have the power up to July to seize foreign registered vehicles.

In other words, the Garda has seized 400 vehicles in three months.

Assistant Commissioner Rock

The number of foreign registered vehicles seized since 21 July is 444.

I thank Assistant Commissioner Rock. I wish to put a few questions to Mr. Brett before I call members. Does the Road Safety Authority have a budget? If so, has it been increased on those for previous years? Will Mr. Brett also elaborate on the statistic that 92% of fatalities are attributable to driver behaviour? We would like to know how he arrived at that statistic. He did not comment on the road safety report issued by the joint committee in July. We would welcome his views on it.

I would like to ask the assistant commissioner and Mr. Brett about random breath testing. It was this committee that suggested it be introduced in regard to substance abuse. The committee is of the belief, rightly or wrongly, that alcohol may not turn out to be as big a factor as substance abuse if we were to have testing for substance abuse. I would like to hear the views of both in regard to that. To Assistant Commissioner Rock I say that I am very pleased that the dedicated traffic corps is meeting and exceeding its target.

What are the views of Mr. Brett and the assistant commissioner on reform of the provisional licensing system? We have come under pressure from various organisations in that regard.

Mr. Brett

The Road Safety Authority has approval for 309 whole-time equivalents, or 309 staff. The entire National Safety Council and its budget of €6.5 million is now being subsumed in full. We are taking 275 staff and their functions from the Department of Transport and we are taking a unit of the work and staff from the National Roads Authority. The Road Safety Authority was set up after the commencement of the financial year, on 1 September. It does not, therefore, have its own discrete budget at this point. It is being run through each of those organisations. I am currently involved in the Estimates process for next year and the early indications are that we will have a substantial increase in budget. However, I do not have the final Estimates yet.

In terms of the 92% of fatalities attributable to road user behaviour, we are drawing those statistics from the national road collision database produced by the National Roads Authority over the previous year. That database is sourced from Garda records. Every time a garda attends a collision he fills in a CT68 form and that is where we obtain our data. We are concerned about the accuracy of some of those data, particularly as issues are starting to emerge around road conditions involving things such as dense bitumen macadam. We are watching very carefully. To date the data we have come from the national road collision database. That is all I have to go on at this point.

The committee sent its fourth report to our board which discussed it in detail at its meeting on 14 September 2006. It went through each of the 29 recommendations and responded at that point. The board very much welcomed the report and felt it was very helpful, as have been all the other reports the board also had sight of. The board particularly wanted to ensure that the committee's fourth report was considered by all of the agencies in the next road safety strategy. Its 29 recommendations fall across a range of agencies and we wanted to address them with all of the agencies. The board spent almost an hour and a half on it. As the board was only recently established, it welcomed the report and felt it gave the board a structure within which to work and we want to address its recommendations in the road safety strategy.

The data from the Medical Bureau of Road Safety from 2001 to 2003 show there is an issue in Ireland in regard to substance abuse other than alcohol on the roads. Two issues emerged there. The first is the use of drugs among young people and poly drug use — cocaine and cannabis or amphetamines and cannabis. The second is the use of prescription drugs among the middle-aged — benzodiazepines, anti-depressants. The Road Safety Authority has already met the IMO and the Heath Service Executive to try to get in place some protocols and procedures with doctors who are writing prescriptions and treating their patients for illicit and prescription drugs so that we can have some more formal structure within which to work. It is an issue we are watching very carefully. Colleagues in the Garda may talk about the opportunities around roadside testing.

From where can we as a committee and the Road Safety Authority take best practice in this regard?

Mr. Brett

In the UK the licensing authority publishes a document called the Green Book which contains protocols for doctors in respect of certain diagnoses and prescribing certain medicines. It would be helpful for the HSE and the Department of Health and Children to do some work in that area.

Do they have substance abuse spot checks in the UK or anywhere else?

Mr. Brett

In Australia there are roadside checks for several drugs. This is not my area of expertise but to the best of my knowledge there is no single test for the entire range of drugs. One needs to know the drugs being used in the jurisdiction and tailor one's sampling to pick them up.

The provisional licensing system is probably the area of greatest concern to the board of the Road Safety Authority. Almost 440,000 people are driving on provisional licences, including repeat provisional licences, and only 137,000 of those have applied for a test. The board wants to see the backlog reduced and the wait for the driving test brought down to six weeks and kept there. The waiting time needs to be within six weeks to make it meaningful. We would then want to see a range of interventions aimed at learner drivers, including structured training with a set syllabus and restrictions where they are appropriate.

That issue is the remit of the Joint Committee on Transport. However, the committee was charged with it at our last press conference and we were anxious to have up-to-date information. Thank you, Mr. Brett.

Assistant Commissioner Rock

The latest statistics for arrests for drink driving are for 2004. The mean blood alcohol level in those cases was 175 milligrams per 100 millilitres. The mean alcohol level in urine was 211 milligrams per 100 millilitres. Blood alcohol levels were more than twice the legal limit and alcohol levels in urine were almost twice the legal limit. The introduction of random breath testing will reduce those levels significantly because our people are now in a position to form an opinion and gather evidence more easily. This is having an effect. With regard to the effect of random breath testing on trends in road fatalities, as my colleague has said, we must consider a combination of issues. Random breath testing is one. Increased advertising, publicity campaigns by the Road Safety Authority and other media campaigns are also having an effect.

The area of substance abuse is a difficult one. No device is available that will provide evidence that a person is incapable of driving owing to the consumption of drugs. Therefore, we must revert to the old system of proving impairment by our own observation. We must judge a person to be incapable of driving by virtue of his physical demeanour or speech. The saliva test used in Australia merely indicates the presence of a drug in the body. It does not prove incapacity to drive or that a person is incapable of driving while under the control of a drug. There are complications and significant issues that no country or jurisdiction has solved.

I have read the report of the joint committee referred to by the Chairman and I agree with its recommendations regarding the provisional licensing system. Provisional drivers are predominantly young people. Many issues must be examined in this regard, including those relating to gender, youth culture and weekend activities. I note the recommendations in the report. The report also makes recommendations regarding boy racers. There is increased and significant Garda enforcement at weekends, which is when young people are on the roads. We are increasing our operations, including covert operations, but we must keep a balance between the use of unmarked cars and high visibility policing. High visibility must be a priority.

I am in the process of preparing a video. I have talked recently to people in the Garda College and in our driving school, where the video will be prepared. I hope to be in a position to show the video and to have a presence at concerts and at other venues where large numbers of young people congregate. We also have a schools education programme on the issue of boy racers. However, we are not getting through to the 16 to 25 year old group, approximately 105 of whom have been killed on our roads so far this year. I spoke recently to the divisional officer in Tipperary, who informed me he has appointed a liaison officer in each district to speak with and advise boy racers and, if necessary, their guardians and parents in an effort to alert them to the dangers of speeding and so on. I suggest that this initiative be undertaken nationally. In other words, important as enforcement is, we must try to reach out to these young people through liaison officers, schools education programmes and the video currently being prepared. I hope I have covered all of the issues raised by the committee.

I thank the assistant commissioner for his presentation.

I welcome the witnesses and in particular Mr. Noel Brett who was a member of the Western Health Board during my time and was very successful in that regard. I am delighted he is as successful in his current role.

The three E's, education, enforcement and engineering, were mentioned. Not enough is being done in terms of education. Assistant Commissioner Rock referred to liaison officers visiting colleges and schools. It is past time that this was done. He also admitted that it is pretty hard to reach the 16 to 25 year old group. I commend his initiative to try to reach this group through the schools and colleges. We can have all the enforcement we like but unless we educate these young people in regard to the dangers of racing, drink driving and speeding there will be no reduction in the number of deaths in this age group. I accept a great deal is being done but we need to do more.

Perhaps we could provide that road safety be part of the curriculum of the transition year programme. This issue has been raised before and it is about time we addressed it. Mr. Brett mentioned that the Road Safety Authority is working towards reducing the waiting time for a driving test to six weeks. It is vital this be done. However, a person should be required to undergo some form of training before obtaining a licence. People are required to undergo training for many types of work, yet they drive cars, some of the most lethal weapons on the road, having undergone no training. This issue must be addressed. We need to educate people how to drive and this can best be done in our schools.

I attended the launch of road safety week in UCG on Monday. One of the speakers at the meeting spoke of his involvement in a serious accident and of how, but for the fact that the person in the back seat had been wearing a seat belt, he or she would have been killed. It opened the eyes of students to hear a person known to them recall what happened. It is only through educating young people about the dangers of speeding that this issue can be addressed. The assistant commissioner has outlined the position on enforcement. There must be increased enforcement at weekends when this type of culture is prevalent.

We may be a little to soft when it comes to road engineering. Perhaps our local authorities should reconsider their role in regard to certain roads. The old-fashioned culture of cutting hedges along the roadside appears to have lapsed recently. It is important drivers have sight distance on the roads. Many bridges around the country are dangerous. This issue has not been tackled, perhaps owing to a shortage of funding, but there should be greater emphasis on that end to make the roads safer. Motorways and national roads are fine but county roads on which there are bad stretches must be examined to make them safer for all drivers.

I congratulate the authority and the Garda on their work and look forward to fewer deaths.

I welcome Assistant Commissioner Rock, Inspector O'Donohue and Mr. Brett. I was interested that Mr. Brett mentioned Sweden and France. The first decision the Swedes took to make the roads safer was to drive on the right hand side of the road. I believe that ties in with the issue raised by Assistant Commissioner Rock about cars from other countries on the roads here. Should we, like the rest of the world, change to the correct side of the road, the right hand side, which is more appropriate to our brain structure?

There are significant differences between French and Irish roads. Speed cameras in France are advertised on notices half a mile before they are reached, which has an extraordinary impact on drivers. It changes their attitude from one where they try to escape cameras to recognising they are in place to make roads safer. All roads in France also have two speed limits, one for wet conditions and one for dry conditions. It is a practical measure that we should examine, although people said it would be a step too far when I raised it before. The courts in France have no problem deciding if conditions are wet or dry. The French do not have turns that would take a driver across the opposite carriageway; they do not allow it. A huge number of accidents take place here in such circumstances. There is a merge lane in the middle of the road for drivers who wish to cross the traffic to get to the other side. I am not talking about encroaching on both lanes, but about a lane where someone can wait, merge or accelerate depending on what a person wants to do. It is a safe place for drivers who are not sure if they want to stay or go.

We are all irritated by the lack of rest areas on the roads. The Road Safety Authority has started an important campaign about the dangers of fatigue and stressed the incidence of fatigue between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m., a common occurrence. If a person is driving on any of our major roads, where does he or she pull in? Where is it safe to stop for a rest at night? I recently pulled in under a bridge to close my eyes for 15 minutes on the edge of a motorway in a reasonably safe place. A garda came along to ask if I was in trouble and I told him there was nowhere for me to pull off between that point and Portlaoise.

I am driven demented by the driver testing system and agree with Deputy Callanan on every issue raised by him. The test is appalling. When I taught my children to drive, they learned in two ways: the way they should drive and the way they should drive to pass the test. They are completely separate. Most of what is learned is forgotten when a person gets back on the road. There are rules about going into first gear and putting on the handbrake that are the opposite of what they used to be at an earlier stage. Most importantly, there is no overtaking manoeuvre, which is criminal. As a result, people go back on the road without knowing the speed of their cars or when they can overtake. They need a stretch of 1.5 miles of clear road in front of them before they will overtake, which creates frustration for drivers behind them and causes emergencies.

Learner drivers are not tested in night-time conditions on motorways. Driver testers should also have a qualification or special licence. Deputy Callanan made the crucial point that notwithstanding the fact that we do not have an opportunity to test learner drivers on time, drivers taking a test should provide evidence that they have taken a minimum number of lessons. The introduction of such a measure would reduce pressure on the system.

I understand the Senator is under pressure to get to the Seanad for the Order of Business.

Mr. Brett

I thank Deputy Callanan for his comments. He is correct that education is the starting point because it precedes enforcement and engineering. The Road Safety Authority has revised many of the programmes which were run by the National Safety Council. The Seatbelt Sheriff programme aimed at every seven and eight year old is in place. We also have the Be Safe and Staying Alive programmes and cycling proficiency has been introduced, albeit at just 15 locations. We would like this measure to be extended to every school.

The areas in which we have particular weaknesses include the third level sector, in which the Road Safety Authority does not have a proper presence. It did, however, have a presence at all the large outdoor rock concerts held this summer. This approach, which gave us access to 70,000 or 80,000 young people, was highly productive. The authority works with the Department of Education and Science and the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment to try to secure an input into the transition year curriculum because it is important to provide a formal structured programme of at least ten modules during this period. We are engaged in achieving this end.

The report produced by the joint committee made five specific recommendations on education and training, about which the board of the Road Safety Authority was particularly enthused. We want all of the recommendations explored in much greater detail with all the relevant agencies. We must ensure we deliver on them because they are a building block.

The Road Safety Authority also seeks to work with trade unions and employers to communicate with those who frequently drive for a living or use vehicles in the workplace. This is an area of significant opportunity. At present, a person who arrives here and produces a truck licence can immediately start driving a large truck on the roads without completing any further training. We want a formal training structure established and working with employers and trade unions is a good way to achieve this objective.

With regard to Senator O'Toole's comments, we have not examined the possibility of driving on the right hand side of the road but his suggestion should be considered. He is correct that speed cameras are clearly signposted in France. In the initial period following their introduction the outsourced speed cameras should be as overt as possible. One would only move to covert use at a later date.

Senator O'Toole also raised the variable speed limits in use in France which depend on road conditions. This concept should be considered in the context of a nationwide examination of speed limits which have, as it were, fallen between two stools because members of the public do not always support local limits. The Road Safety Authority favours a general examination of the speed limits on national, regional and local roads which would use the technology available on variable speed limiting.

I do not have expertise on merging lanes on motorways but I am keen to discuss the matter raised by Senator O'Toole with my colleagues in the Road Safety Authority. I concur with him on rest areas. The authority is pleased the National Roads Authority has decided to retro-fit rest areas. New building projects will require rest areas, as well as enforcement areas where our staff and members of the Garda Síochána can safely enforce road haulage regulations, regulations on vehicle condition and so forth.

The driver testing system needs massive overhaul. We are also concerned that people train to pass the test rather than to drive for life. The solution lies predominately in compulsory basic training, under which all drivers would be required to undertdake the type of syllabus to which Senator O'Toole referred. We would like the test to cover motorway and night-time driving, overtaking and an emergency stop. We need to examine how this can be done.

The driver testers directly employed by the Road Safety Authority are a much maligned category of staff who need a proper career structure. The authority is working with the relevant trade union and staff to equip them to do the job.

Assistant Commissioner Rock

I will comment on the speed issue which the Senator raised because that is more pertinent to my area of responsibility. I assure the joint committee that we will have a very well designed, sensible speed-enforcement scheme. I have certain views on it concerning the various issues arising. It is important, as my colleague mentioned, that the public be educated and informed of the scheme before it is introduced. That is crucial because the Garda Síochána will have responsibility for the scheme. It must be predominantly overt and will certainly start that way. There should be signs and visible enforcement sites numbering about 1,000. At any time a percentage of them will be receiving attention. Every single one of those sites should have marked notification that it is a speed enforcement site. It is important and crucial that it not be seen as a revenue-gathering exercise. It is also crucial that we in the Garda Síochána should have strategies and a rationale for placing particular enforcement sites where they are. We are doing that in conjunction with the National Roads Authority and the Local Government Computer Services Board. There is no doubt that speed enforcement sites have massive potential. Research indicates that speed is probably the number one cause of fatal accidents. I know there are different views but it depends on where the research comes from. Speed is probably number one, with the alcohol issue coming in as number two.

I accept the point about France, although I am not quite sure how they enforce that. Were there difficulties? Obviously, there are not now. I do not know whether it is possible to enforce that here, given our situation. I am not able to comment on it. The other issues are for other people to address.

Inspector O'Donohue can indicate to me if he wishes to contribute.

I welcome both parties and thank them for their presentations. While some speed cameras are in operation, none is operated by members of the Garda Síochána other than hand-held ones.

Is that not true?

It is not true.

How many speed cameras are in operation or are planned? How many might be allocated to the greater Dublin area and how many to the rest of the country? Have outstanding locations been selected?

Assistant Commissioner Rock

Is the Senator talking about outsourcing or current applications?

Existing ones and what it is intended to proceed to.

Assistant Commissioner Rock

We have 20 existing sites, with three cameras rotating. I am told that is equivalent to best practice in other jurisdictions. We have 490 hand-held units around the country, which are available to our members. We are upgrading our GATSO vans. We have eight and are upgrading them significantly by six to a total of 14. They need to be upgraded particularly concerning our night-time capability, which is in its development stage. That means that the Garda Síochána has 490 hand-held units, 14 GATSO vehicles and 20 fixed sites around the place.

As regards future developments, I do not yet know exactly what these will be but there will certainly be about 5,000 hours per month dedicated to it. That is what is emerging from the group examining expressions of interest. As regards enforcement, there will be about 1,000 speed hours per month by the outsourced provider. We have been and will be looking at speed-related collisions across the country to identify the areas and sections of road where there has been a propensity for such collisions. That must be the bed-rock of this system, plus overt enforcement and educating the public.

Are the 20 existing sites overt?

Assistant Commissioner Rock

Yes, there are signs indicating them right around the city. One sees them around the city and Lucan is the one which everybody seems to talk about. One will see signs when approaching them. However, the camera will not be in Lucan all the time. There are 20 sites with three working cameras rotating.

That is the luck of the draw.

Assistant Commissioner Rock

I am told that is best practice.

I welcome Mr. Brett, the assistant commissioner and Inspector O'Donohue. Some of the points I intended to raise have been covered already and I will not repeat them. I wish to revert to the issue of education of children. Can Mr. Brett expand on his proposals for children's education and indicate whether there is a timescale in mind to achieve these goals? When I went to school, different people came to talk to children about different things, but it was what one's own peer group said which had an impact. The children forget what an adult had come to say. If we could get young people who had been through a bad experience to speak to children at school, they would take notice of it. They do not take a blind bit of notice of what gardaí or bankers who come to talk to them say.

I would like the assistant commissioner to help me with my confusion as to how foreign drivers are dealt with in Ireland. Are they subject to the law? Are statistics available on accidents involving foreign drivers? It is a wonder in my county which is visited by a great many tourists that there are not more accidents. It is absolutely frightening.

I presume the Road Safety Authority will work with local authorities. I agree with Deputy Callanan that simple things such as cutting hedges can improve road safety. On a great many minor roads the signs are filthy and cannot be read. While local people know where they are going, tourists end up stopping and starting. It is a simple problem that would not cost much to address. Perhaps the Road Safety Authority will make the point to local authorities. As public representatives, we keep after them.

I heard a horrifying story from a parent recently who told me that children are not using safety belts on school buses. When I asked why, I was told that children who have used them are bullied and called "goody goods". I call on the operators of the school bus service to randomly inspect buses and ensure belts are worn. There was a great fuss when we did not have seat belts, but now we have them, more than one parent has complained that they are not being used and that bullying has taken place when they are. It is an issue on which all of us must work, including parents. Inspectors should be available to give children back their tickets where they have failed to wear a seat belt and direct them to go home and explain why.

The Road Safety Authority should conduct a campaign to teach people how to use roundabouts. While there are few problems where a roundabout is controlled with traffic lights, it can be very frightening where a roundabout is uncontrolled. I carried out a survey during the summer at a small roundabout where I sat for an hour and noted that neither law nor order was observed.

Can Mr. Brett explain who decides on speed limit areas? I presume the RSA, the NRA and local authorities are all involved, but I do not know the procedure. I am frequently contacted by constituents who complain about the location of speed limits or ask about local limits. They ask me to contact the local authority. I would like to be more aware of how the decision process works. It would be in the public interest to raise public consciousness of why limits are placed where they are. There is a sign on the N11 on my way home to Wexford which limits speed to 60 km/h on one of the best stretches of the road, which makes no sense. I heard Assistant Commissioner Rock speak on the radio about Lucan where speed limits changed dramatically. If the public were made aware of why limits are imposed where they are, they would be more likely to comply with them. Within two weeks of my election I proposed that the theory section of the driving test should become a formal element in the education system and I have pushed that at every meeting of this committee since. The Road Safety Authority should attempt to have the theory section of the driving test inserted as part of the transition year curriculum, when schoolchildren do not have any examinations and part of what they do is uninteresting and unproductive for them, because some transition year programmes are implemented only to maintain student numbers and teacher allocations. It would be worthwhile and would motivate young people.

There is another area known as civic, social and political education. The latest statistic is that there is a car for every two people in the country, so good driving is part of good citizenship. Surely it would make CSPE and transition year more interesting if the RSA proposed to the Department of Education and Science that the theory test should be done then. Youngsters might leave school with the theory test even if they never drive.

I live close to the europort of Rosslare. Some of the largest transport companies in the country are Wexford-based and they continually contact me looking for English speaking drivers. Wexford men will not drive long-haul lorries. I go to the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and it tells me they must take eastern Europeans but the people who own the companies tell me that they have drivers who can barely speak English. Does Assistant Commissioner Rock have any concerns about that? I am not being racist.

I used to manage the Wexford hurling team and there was drug testing. Drugs such as Ventolin improve performance but are necessary for certain players, so they would get a doctor's letter stating as much. I am concerned that cough mixture is alcohol-based. It should be possible for people taking particular cough medicines to get a doctor's letter to show to a garda if the alcohol does not impair their driving. I would tell the hurling team doctor to give a letter to someone stating that he was taking Ventolin.

I only found out when I was elected that the allocation of gardaí is entirely a matter for the force. There are little villages in Wexford, such as Castlebridge, which had three gardaí and a sergeant 20 years ago when the population was a fifth of what it is now. The village no longer has a Garda station but it does have boy racers. The boy racers took over a field about six months ago in Crossabeg at 4 a.m. The presence of gardaí in rural areas would counteract such types of crime.

Young people want to drive at speed, since it is part of being young. Is it possible for county councils to put go-kart racing facilities in place to allow young people to vent that tendency without killing each other?

Assistant Commissioner Rock

The issue of foreign drivers has been raised twice. The Garda Síochána is guided by court decisions and EU legislation and we cannot target foreign drivers specifically; we cannot stop cars because they are foreign registered or because they are driven by foreigners. We go out to enforce the law in general.

The nationality of drivers was raised.

I am not saying that the gardaí should stop people specifically, I want to know if they are subject to the same laws as us when they are stopped. If they are speeding or drunk, can they be taken to court here?

Assistant Commissioner Rock

Yes, we can take them to court and issue summonses. An issue arises about their driving licences because they may be from another EU country and penalty points will not attach to them.

The issue of nationality is a particularly difficult one. People whom we might regard as foreign often have Irish citizenship. While I accept the point the Deputy has made, we have a difficulty with it because we are not entitled to demand to know the nationality of a person involved in a collision involving a material or serious injury any more than someone could ask me what my nationality is. We do not have the authority to demand to know a person's nationality. It is a complicated issue. I also accept the point the Deputy has made about the number of foreign cars seen to be exceeding the speed limit. We see this regularly. The issue has been addressed to some extent regarding cars from Northern Ireland. When gardaí stop foreign drivers, they sometimes find they cannot speak English. This creates difficulties for us. The garda will explain to the driver the conditions regarding how long they can retain their foreign licence while resident here before acquiring an Irish one.

The issue of policing rural communities has been raised. Forces are being increased, as has the traffic corps. This gives us the opportunity to ensure a better presence in rural areas.

A question was asked about drugs. It is possible for a doctor to give a letter to a person who must use a particular prescription drug. I do not think this is problematic. We have addressed the difficulties we have regarding enforcement in regard to drug intake and proving impairment.

Mr. Brett

Deputy Moynihan-Cronin asked about education. We have revamped the programmes we have taken over from the National Safety Council. We are working with the Department of Education and Science and the curriculum body to develop a modular piece for transition year students. While this will need to include an input by all the agencies involved, it also needs to be age appropriate and interactive. We are exploring the use of peers, particularly the use of real life stories of people who have been involved in or touched by issues on the roads. I will make sure the Deputy's advice is properly reflected.

As the assistant commissioner said, we do not always know the nationality of drivers involved in collisions — we only know their licence status. Many of our campaigns are targeting members of minority ethnic communities. Several of our campaigns are multilingual; our Know the Law in Ireland leaflet contains information in 11 languages. We are seeking to get through to people via embassies, particularly the Polish embassy, the minority ethnic press and at points of entry to the country. As the assistant commissioner said, the mutual recognition of penalty points would be a great addition. There is now mutual recognition of suspensions between North and South and the more we have of this the better.

It is worth noting that one in ten of the workforce is a member of a minority ethnic community and the Road Safety Authority must get its message across to them. We will work much more with local authorities. I am disappointed to hear the feedback the Deputies are getting on the use of seat belts on school buses. We will seek to address this issue with the Department of Education and Science and Bus Éireann. Television campaigns aimed at parents and young people are currently running. We need to nip in the bud the behaviour to which the Deputy alluded.

We are working on an advertisement dealing specifically with roundabouts as part of our "Show Me, Tell Me" series. Many have raised this issue and it is one we need to address, especially for complex roundabouts with five or six exits not controlled by traffic lights.

Deputy Dempsey asked about speed limits. The setting of speed limits is a reserved function of elected local authority members. When setting a speed limit, local authorities are obliged in law to consult the Garda. While we are delighted when we are consulted, the RSA has no formal role in the process. However, we would like to see a review and subsequent standardisation of speed limits across the country.

Does Mr. Brett believe the RSA should be involved in the setting of speed limits?

Mr. Brett

The Road Safety Authority does not have particular road engineering expertise or knowledge. However, based on our road safety expertise, particularly the data we have on collisions, we would be delighted to be consulted.

The question of whether the driver theory test should be part of the second level curriculum is the fourth recommendation of the committee's report. The authority is interested in this issue and wants to see it discussed with the Department of Education and Science. We will be taking this forward as part of the next road safety strategy to examine if this is an appropriate way of conducting it. Members will be aware that the curriculum body decided to exclude the theory test when last it considered it. It is now appropriate to examine it again.

The theory test, or part of it, could be part of the CSPE curriculum. That subject is essentially about teaching good citizenship. As a former teacher, I know the motivational power of setting a target where a student can gain a certificate to enable him or her to drive a car, providing of course he or she passes the other parts.

Mr. Brett

The Deputy also mentioned go-karting. The Road Safety Authority is trying to target young men in particular. We sponsored the road safety element at a rally event in Sligo and the North of Ireland last year to particularly target young men who attend such events. This sponsorship was the first of its kind internationally, and other countries are now examining whether they can do the same at their events. I am also working with Motorsport Ireland, which has 32 affiliated clubs, to determine whether there are programmes we can run jointly with it. This would be aimed at the spectators rather than the competitors. The Road Safety Authority feels motor sport is a great outlet when it is done properly and safely. Our motto is to keep the race in its place. If one wants to experience racing, one should do it in a safe place and in a structured way, such as at Mondello or elsewhere. There are plenty of clubs out there.

To use an analogy borrowed from another sport, if one wants a young man to stop fighting, one should have him join a boxing club. I heard one of the Irish international rules players saying last Sunday that some of the Australians should have joined a boxing club.

Apologies were received from Deputy Quinn, which I inadvertently failed to mention at the outset of the meeting.

Given that the population has increased by 1 million over the past 15 years, how many extra members of the Garda Síochána would be needed if we were to reopen all the Garda stations in rural Ireland and staff them with a sergeant and three gardaí? If the assistant commissioner and inspector do not have the information, perhaps they could let us know at a later date. We are seriously considering making a strong recommendation on this issue. The Garda Síochána has been doing a tremendous job, especially as regards random breath testing.

It is estimated that 30 lives have been saved since this was introduced three months ago. Those people are alive as a result of the job the Garda Síochána is doing. As Chairman of this committee, I feel proud that we took our courage in our hands and made the proposal on random breath testing. I congratulate the Minister, Deputy Cullen, who took it on board within two weeks and steered it through the political system. This committee is a conduit between experts, such as today's witnesses, and the Government. Our final report is due shortly, and we want it to further enhance the possibility of putting the fear back into the law. The witnesses cannot do their jobs without the necessary resources. This is why I asked Mr. Brett about the RSA's budget.

We will not deliver our report before the end of the year. When the Garda has completed its estimates, I ask the witnesses to let the clerk of the committee know the details. We will then review that. I would appreciate if the information could be supplied to us before we meet Mr. Byrne. Everyone that meets with this committee comes to assist us. We very much appreciate the co-operation we have been getting from witnesses, particularly from Assistant Commissioner Rock and Inspector O'Donohue. We can do much more to make our roads safer.

We can do more to reduce insurance premiums for policyholders. I am delighted that since we started our investigations three and a half years ago, we have reduced premiums by an average of 45%. There is more room for improvement. The population has grown and insurance companies are making greater profits. Earlier this year I called on the insurance industry to show its bona fides and reduce premiums. Its profits are enormous. They are higher per capita than in the United Kingdom. As Chairman of this committee, I again call on the insurance industry to reduce premiums by a further 15% by the end of this year. It can afford to do so, as its balance sheets prove. We are doing everything to make Ireland a safer place in which to work, live and travel.

I thank Mr. Brett, Assistant Commissioner Rock, Inspector O'Donohoe, members of the committee, the press and everybody who has been coming here to the Visitors' Gallery in the past four years for all the help and encouragement they have given the committee. I look forward to working closely with them for the remainder of the life of the Government and many years to come. We can only improve by assisting each other and working together as closely as we have done for the past three and a half years.

The joint committee adjourned at 11 a.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 15 November 2006.
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