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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS díospóireacht -
Monday, 29 Mar 2004

Africa - The Forgotten Continent: Statements.

We are on the second session on the topic of Africa, the Forgotten Continent: Prospects for Stability and Development. We have made Africa one of the priorities of our committee and the Government has made Africa a priority in its Presidency of the EU.

Our first speaker is the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs with responsibility for overseas development and human rights, Deputy Kitt. Deputy Kitt is very active and deeply committed to this area. He is responsible for Development Co-operation Ireland, which is Ireland's overseas aid body. Then we have Ms Eveline Herfkens, a former Minister for Development Co-operation in the Netherlands. Although she is still very young, she sat for five terms as a member of Parliament. She is now the UN Secretary General's executive co-ordinator for the millennium development goals and is working vigorously in that area. Then we have Mr. Tom Arnold, chief executive of Concern both in Ireland and worldwide. Mr. Arnold started out in agricultural economics, holds a MBA and a master's degree in strategic management from Trinity College. He was appointed in April 2003 as a member of the UN hunger task force and is an active person in that sphere. We look forward to a very good session.

It is a great pleasure for me to invite my colleague, Deputy Kitt, to address the gathering.

Thank you, Chairman. I am privileged to address this gathering. We are meeting here with fellow parliamentarians. I have met many of them in the past and worked with them on various issues.

I have known Ms Herfkens for some time and we have campaigned together. The Chairman is correct when he describes her as a fighter, for she has fought the cause for development for many years. We met in Brussels during the debate on everything but arms. Ms Herfkens was one of the people who phoned me when I was a Minister of State at the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, to make sure that we did the right thing. I wish to acknowledge the role she played. Mr. Tom Arnold is someone who has worked very closely with me for many years. I am privileged to be in the company of two good colleagues.

This is a subject close to my heart. I will make some formal comments and then I look forward to our dialogue. The whole subject of Africa, the Forgotten Continent - Prospects for Stability and Development is one that requires much attention. Too often, we see Africa as a continent mired in problems too overwhelming to overcome. I need not dwell on the difficulties Africa faces in addressing its appalling levels of poverty, intolerable burden of HIV-AIDS infection, unsustainable debt burden, and destabilising levels of conflict which threaten conflagration in entire regions of the continent.

Africa desperately needs the help of the international community. However, the terrorist threat now posed to Europe by Al Qaeda and affiliated terror groups has at least partially wrested our attention away from regions like Africa that desperately need our assistance but do not have sufficient strategic importance to demand it. As I am referring to terrorism, I take the opportunity to offer my deepest condolences to our Spanish colleague and the Spanish people following the recent horrific bombings in Madrid. Such events bring home to us the painful reality of conflict and its cost in human life.

As the world's largest donor of development assistance to Africa, the largest funder of debt relief and Africa's biggest trading partner, the European Union is well placed to help Africans address the problems facing their continent. I would like to think that Ireland, as EU Presidency, is playing its part in driving forward Africa's peace and development agenda. With the launch of the African Union in mid-2002 and the assumption of NEPAD as the AU's operational programme, Africa is making strides in assuming ownership of the continent's peace and development challenges. The AU structures are modelled on those of the European Union. We have a duty to help build up the African Union's capacity to promote peace and development, as it is Africans themselves who must drive forward their own development. It is in all our interests that they do so.

As Presidency, Ireland has decided to give special attention to African issues. We have chosen two interlinked areas for action of crucial relevance to Africa: conflict prevention and poverty reduction. The choice of priorities is apt because there can be no development without peace. Conversely, there can be no peace without development. As Minister of State with responsibility for development co-operation, I will speak first about our work to drive forward the European Union's poverty eradication agenda. I will then turn to the Presidency's contribution to conflict prevention and resolution in Africa.

The Irish Presidency believes poverty eradication should be the overriding objective of EU development policy and that our first priority in this regard should be progress towards attaining the UN's millennium development goals which contain objectives in eight target areas such as malnutrition, maternal mortality, education, health and life expectancy. Africa is the poorest continent, with the lowest life expectancy, highest rates of maternal mortality, highest levels of malnutrition, etc.

It is the Presidency's belief that the European Union should work towards the goal of poverty eradication by improving the effectiveness of its development assistance, strengthening the coherence of its policies that affect developing countries, working to enhance the voice of developing countries in multilateral institutions such as the United Nations, the Bretton Woods institutions and the WTO, and making further progress towards meeting the millennium development goals. We are using all the opportunities available to us to promote these objectives.

We have already made progress. For example, when the General Affairs and External Relations Council held its orientation debate on the effectiveness of EU external assistance on 26 January, the Irish Presidency was able to secure the first ever Council conclusions from such a debate. These conclusions agreed on the need to move development policy closer to the heart of the European Union's external policy, and also on specific steps to ensure the Community's external assistance budget is better targeted towards poverty eradication.

Furthermore, I will chair a meeting of the GAERC in April which will discuss a cluster of development co-operation items. The purpose of the meeting will be to push forward the European Union's policy of eradicating poverty in the world's poorest countries. Foremost on the agenda will be an assessment of the implementation of commitments made by member states in preparation for the 2002 Monterey conference on international financing for development, particularly in the area of aid volumes and the harmonisation of aid practices.

There will also be a major debate on the steps that can be taken to mitigate the adverse effects of poor countries' dependence on a small number of commodities. Ministers will pay particular attention to the crisis facing cotton producing countries in west Africa. The Council will also prepare the European Union's input into forthcoming international conferences with a development dimension. Further discussion items will include an assessment of the reform of the European Union's external assistance programme and preparations for the ACP-EU ministerial meeting which will take place in Botswana in May.

As usual, we will be having an informal meeting of EU Development Ministers to which we are giving much attention in preparation for it. The European Union's role in poverty eradication will be discussed at the meeting which will take place on 1 June. This will be the first meeting of Development Co-operation Ministers of the enlarged European Union and we will discuss ways of promoting the poverty eradication objective in the context of current debates within the Union.

The European Union's legislative agenda during the Irish Presidency includes a number of items which are intended to contribute towards global poverty eradication. These include amendments to the Cotonou agreement between the European Union and the ACP states; Commission communications on agricultural commodity dependence and land reform in developing countries, and draft Council regulations on gender equality and human rights. The Presidency has also brokered a compromise which saw an EU water facility for African, Caribbean and Pacific countries approved by the GAERC on 22 March. The water facility, first mooted by Commission President Prodi in March 2003, will provide up to €500 million for interventions designed to catalyse private sector investment in the water sector in ACP countries. We all know how important water is in the developing world.

The subject of trade and debt is close to my heart. I spent five years as a trade Minister representing Ireland at WTO level in the last Government. Inequitable global trading arrangements are a major impediment to poverty eradication in Africa. In the light of the continuing failure to restart the negotiations on the Doha development agenda, trade and development will remain another important issue during the Presidency. We believe the European Union should be as accommodating as possible in its response to developing countries' needs and concerns. A strong leadership role by the Union at UNCTAD XI in Brazil in June can help send a positive message for the success of the multilateral trade negotiations by strengthening the capacity of poorer countries to participate in the WTO process.

The unsustainable level of external debt servicing in many African countries is another huge impediment to poverty reduction in Africa. EU member states have provided significant relief of bilateral debt owed by developing countries and also financed the relief of multilateral debt through the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries trust fund and separate initiatives. However, further initiatives will be necessary, including measures that address the way loan financing of development is administered and how this impacts on debt sustainability. Under the Irish Presidency's leadership, we have achieved significant agreement on ways to increase co-operation between the European Union and Africa on the issue of debt.

Tackling HIV-AIDS is a major priority. The scourge of HIV-AIDS has reversed the development gains made by many African countries in recent decades. People around this table who have visited Africa in recent years will be very much aware of this. The fight against HIV-AIDS and other pandemics is a priority for the European Union and the Irish Presidency. Here in Dublin last month I chaired a major international conference on HIV-AIDS in Europe and central Asia. We were advised by UNAIDS, the WHO and others to try to concentrate on our own region of Europe, central Europe, eastern Europe and central Asia where there were particular problems that were not being addressed. This is not to detract from the fact that, clearly, Africa is our main focus in this issue. The meeting led to the Dublin Declaration, signed by 55 countries, which agreed a detailed plan of action with specific targets and timeframes for fighting HIV-AIDS in the region in the coming years. We involved many young people in NGOs, especially in countries such as Ukraine and Belarus, who very much appreciated this initiative. On the problem faced by Africa, we will host a meeting between European and African parliamentarians in April to discuss the challenges HIV-AIDS present to governance in Africa. We will host a further meeting in June on the importance of investing further in the development of an effective vaccine against HIV-AIDS.

ACP-European Union dialogue is another important issue for us. We are using the opportunities of dialogue with our African ACP partners to pursue our key objectives of poverty eradication and conflict prevention during our Presidency. I have already represented the Union at the ACP-EU Joint Parliamentary Assembly meeting in Addis Ababa from 16 to 19 February, where topics under discussion included economic partnership agreements, conflict prevention and resolution, and poverty diseases and reproductive health. I will also be co-chairing the ACP-EU ministerial meeting in Botswana on 6 and 7 May, which takes place within the framework of the ACP-EU Partnership (Cotonou) Agreement. HIV-AIDS will be a major topic on the agenda of this meeting.

Conflict prevention is the second overarching theme that Ireland has decided to prioritise in our relations with Africa during our Presidency. There can be no development without peace, and many African countries continue to experience or are gradually emerging from conflict, including Liberia, Cote d'Ivoire, Burundi, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Sudan, Somalia and Ethiopia-Eritrea. The west African region is experiencing a period of unprecedented instability.

As the holder of the Presidency of the European Union, Ireland is leading Union efforts to contribute to the various regional and country-level peace processes under way. I have recently returned from a visit to Sierra Leone and Liberia, where I was able to see for myself at first hand the devastation wrought by war in those countries and the rehabilitation and recovery work now in progress as the peace agreements take hold.

Conflict prevention is a priority for the wider Irish EU Presidency, and not just for our relations with Africa. In this context, a conflict prevention conference will be held in Dublin later this week, from 31 March to 2 April. This will examine the role of non-governmental organisations, NGOs, and civil society in conflict prevention, and also the interface between the EU's development co-operation and its Common Foreign and Security Policy. The Foreign Ministers of Mozambique and South Africa have been invited to address the conference.

At the level of the African Union, working to make the African Peace Facility fully operational is a key priority of our Presidency. The peace facility is a fund of €250 million which will contribute towards African Union peacekeeping efforts on the African continent, and we hope that a final decision on the financing of the facility will be taken in Brussels tomorrow.

Also this week, the ministerial Troika with the African Union on 1 April, at which the Presidency will be represented by our Foreign Minister, Deputy Brian Cowen, will seek to reach agreement on a common EU-Africa approach to effective multilateralism, and will also adopt an agreed report on Africa's external debt. Ministers will also discuss the African Peace Facility and welcome recent developments in the African peace and security architecture, including the establishment of the African Peace and Security Council and the Pan-African Parliament. Following on from the adoption of the revised Common Position on conflict prevention, management and resolution in Africa, the Irish Presidency is also driving forward an internal debate on ways the European Union can provide support within the European security and defence policy to strengthen African peacekeeping capabilities.

The regional dimension to the various conflicts which have afflicted western Africa needs to be considered. As holders of the EU Presidency, we are seeking agreement on a west Africa strategy which will seek, in conjunction with the UN, to ensure an integrated approach to tackling the causes of conflict and instability in the region. Securing agreement on the west Africa strategy during our Presidency is a priority. The importance of devising a regional strategy to prevent conflict in west Africa will also be discussed at the ministerial Troika with ECOWAS in Dublin on 10 May. The mandate of the Presidency special representative for the Mano River region - Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone - has also been adjusted to put more emphasis on the regional dimension.

In addition, we will meet at ministerial Troika level with the key players, South Africa and Nigeria. The EU needs to strengthen its relationship with these key countries to harness sub-regional development.

The EU continues to support actively the peace processes in the Great Lakes region, including through the efforts of its special representative. The EU also continues to offer active support for the implementation of the Accra peace accords and has pledged €200 million in assistance at the recent donors conference in New York.

Operation Artemis, the EU stabilisation force deployed in the Democratic Republic of Congo, DRC, during the summer of 2003, visibly demonstrated the Union's willingness and ability to respond rapidly to a crisis situation in Africa. It also provided an example of effective EU-UN co-operation in crisis management. Following on from the success of this operation, the EU is now considering deployment of a police assistance mission in Kinshasa with a view to establishing an integrated police unit in the city. The integrated police unit, trained and monitored by the European Union, should play a valuable role in restoring and maintaining security.

Building on experience gained in the DRC, the European Union is now actively considering means of improving its ability to intervene rapidly in crisis situations. This enhanced rapid response capacity could play a valuable role in the African context and is envisaged to have particular potential in supporting the UN in crisis management.

Ireland's national efforts to support conflict prevention in Africa are ongoing. In Liberia, I had the pleasure of meeting the 430 strong Irish contingent to UNMIL, which continues to make an important contribution to the fulfilment of its mandate. We remain engaged in supporting the peace initiative in Burundi and have also provided €500,000 in assistance to the AU-led AMIB peacekeeping force.

An EU ministerial Troika will travel to Ethiopia and Eritrea on 5 and 6 April to encourage dialogue and implementation of the boundary commission decision as well as urging support for the mission of the recently appointed UN envoy, Lloyd Axworthy. The situation remains tense between Ethiopia and Eritrea and the Troika will seek to defuse the situation. On Sudan, a ministerial Troika will travel to the country as soon as a comprehensive peace agreement is signed; this is unlikely before next month at the earliest. Work is continuing, in conjunction with the Commission, on preparations for an early EU response in the event of a comprehensive peace agreement. We are also continuing to closely monitor the serious situation in Darfur in western Sudan and are actively facilitating efforts to secure a ceasefire through mediated peace talks in the region.

I hope that I have clarified for the distinguished parliamentarians and chairmen some of the ways in which the Presidency is attempting to mould the EU's engagement in promoting peace and development in Africa. I hope my remarks have provided a good starting point for our exchanges today, and I would welcome comments from the floor.

I thank the Minister of State for his detailed update. I am certain questions will be raised later. I now call Ms Eveline Herfkens.

Ms Eveline Herfkens

I thank the Chairman for inviting me and giving me an opportunity to share the platform with the Minister of State again. Twenty years ago we sat around the same table for the first time, and that was also in terms of planetary networking. It is nice to be among parliamentarians again.

The Minister of State mentioned that one of his priorities is education and, in that context, the millennium development goal. I am not sure to what extent I have to spell out these eight goals for this audience but I believe it is about the best news on development that we have heard in half a century. In 2000, Heads of State and Heads of Government came together for the first time in New York. We have never before or since seen so many at that level come together. They all signed on to the Millennium Declaration that year from which these eight goals are derived. The goals include halving the number of poor people; getting all children through school; fighting AIDS; doing something about child and maternal mortality; ensuring sustainable development from an environmental perspective; and the need for global partnership where each country helps other countries to achieve these goals. That was great news.

I have been involved in development co-operation my whole life but none of the meetings at an international level were productive because there were always disagreements between north and south or east and west, and the UN system and international financial institutions disagreed with governmental and non-governmental organisations. The great news with these eight millennium development goals is that everybody is on the same page. We all agree what should be done and what this is about.

We in the development field have spent far too long in ivory towers. We were using abbreviations that nobody understood. Now with these goals designed to get all children to attend primary school, people can relate to these issues.

The third item of great news is that the package is very holistic and underlines the synergy between the goals. For far too long there was competition between money being spent on private education versus that being spent in other areas such as the fight against AIDS or the provision of water. We have realised there is a synergy. If we move on one goal, another goal comes closer to realisation. For example, if one wants to get girls to go to school, providing clean water near their homes means that they do not have to walk miles to fetch it. This also helps in the area of child mortality because unsafe water is the biggest killer of babies.

What is also wonderful about the goals is that they are single, concrete and timebound benchmarks and thus one can monitor progress. Approximately 80 countries have come up with their first millennium goals and when one checks their reports, one can see whether they are on track. Members are aware that if neighbouring countries are doing better, it tends to spur political debate. When any of these various reports and indexes are issued, everyone always looks to see where their country is placed. If the Dutch are doing worse than Belgium, that deeply hurts the feelings of people in the Netherlands and spurs debate. It is similar with Norway and Sweden. It is extremely helpful to have this kind of horse race.

What is great about the goals is that they provide a balance. There used to be these endless international meetings where poor countries would state they could not do anything because rich countries would not help them enough or that the rules were rigged against them. Rich countries would reply that they were willing to help but that the poorer countries should first put their own houses in order. With this package we confirm - this was reaffirmed at the conference in Monterey - that it is the primary responsibility of poor countries to achieve the first seven goals. However, we acknowledge that poor countries, particularly those in sub-Saharan Africa will simply never be able to achieve the goals unless rich countries do a better job on aid, trade and debt relief. On current trends, sub-Saharan Africa will not achieve the first goal until the year 2147. Business as usual is, therefore, simply not good enough and rich countries must do their part of the job.

One of the weaknesses in the package lies in the global contract. In a real contract, both parties are obliged to meet deadlines. The weakness of this deal is that poor countries must still achieve deadlines by 2015 or earlier whereas rich countries have not yet committed themselves to deadlines. Cheques can remain, therefore, in the mail and this means we will not achieve the goals.

It is important to underline our responsibility. I wish to provide an example. Two thirds of the world's poor live in rural areas and depend on agriculture. As long as our policies lead to overproduction which depresses prices in markets on which poor people depend, we will not be able to achieve the goal of reducing the number of poor people.

The hard-nosed economists of the World Bank issued a report last fall for the Dubai development committee which clearly stated, tracking progress on both sides, that sub-Saharan Africa has never been better governed in its history. There is still a long way to go but much has been improved. However, the World Bank also stated that rich countries are not living up to their part of the deal.

I must underline the fact that these goals are achievable. We have the know-how, there is a consensus about what should be done and the resources are available. What is lacking, however, is political will. I like addressing parliamentarians because this is what their job is all about. This may sound somewhat bitter but having attended hundreds of international conferences, I am aware that those in power attend such conferences and sign up to the most beautiful pledges but when they return home it is business as usual and they forget about what they have promised to do. It is parliamentarians who can make governments accountable for these wonderful promises. That is the job of those present. Parliamentarians hold the purse strings, set the laws of the land, vote on national budgets and are in charge of monitoring governmental actions.

The millennium development goals are the summing up of the aspirations of electorates. This is easy to say in developing countries where getting one's daughter to attend school is a daily concern. However, I have been struck by the fact that public opinion polls in member states of the OECD show, time and again, that the populations of these countries are prepared to do more. In all these states, 50% of the population - in Italy it is 91% - say they would be prepared to pay 1% more tax if it would help to alleviate the problem of poverty in Africa. The payment of 1% more tax by every citizen living in an OECD country would make available more than the $50 billion required to achieve the goals.

If parliamentarians pick up on these issues, they will not lose votes and they could even win votes. The time has come for political leadership to create the link between this latent public support and the need for more action on the part of governments.

In what areas would I like parliamentarians to act? I wish to make some brief remarks about aid, trade and debt. On aid quantity, the world has never been richer than it is today. Nevertheless, until 18 months ago, the level of aid being provided had been in decline for 15 years. The good news is that since the conference in Monterey there has been an upturn. The European Union's contribution to that has been crucial. At the Barcelona summit, under Spanish leadership, in the lead-up to the Monterey conference, the European Union committed to reaffirming the 0.7% goal and to achieve an average across the EU of 0.39% in 2006. This was a tremendous breakthrough. For 30 years there were only four countries which achieved the 0.7% goal or above and the rest of the world looked the other way. Now, however, this goal is part of the European project. All countries that are below the average - Spain, Italy, Portugal and Austria - have committed to achieving, as a minimum, 0.33% in 2006.

Many more governments have promised to end the "cheque is in the mail" approach and to achieve the 0.7% goal. In this regard, I must recognise the leadership shown by Luxembourg and Ireland which were the first two countries in the past year to set a date for achieving the 0.7% goal. In Ireland's case, it will be by 2007. Since then, others have also come on board. France has a target of 2012, while Belgium's is 2010. The majority of the 15 existing European Union member states have either achieved the 0.7% goal or set a date for doing so. I do not believe it is reasonable to ask the accession countries to achieve that standard in the immediate future. It is great news that the majority of EU member states have set target dates.

Ireland, which is committed to the 0.7% target, currently holds the Presidency. The next two countries that will hold it already exceed that target. Britain will then assume the Presidency. While it has not yet set a deadline for the 0.7% target, it has announced that it will focus its Presidency on African development and that a monitoring system developed by Finance Ministers relating the pledges made would be put in place.

It is not only about the quantity of aid. In many of the countries represented by those present, polls also show scepticism. Some of your people believe that middle income Spanish or Italian citizens put money in the pockets of non-taxpaying and exploitative elites in poor countries. That does not help poverty reduction. Some of that criticism is correct. It is, therefore, important to improve the quality of aid. Many developing countries do not need external concessional aid to achieve the goals. Aid should be focused on poor countries - sub-Saharan Africa - the least developed countries which need that aid. Ireland is at the absolute top, far above any other country, in terms of the percentage which actually goes to countries which need aid. Too much aid is leaking away to countries which do not need it.

A second point is that too much aid leaks away, not to these countries, but back into the donor economy. Again Ireland is a leader here. It has never tied its aid to its own procurement, though most other countries did. All too often we said: "You can have money but you must spend it in our country or on scholarships for students who study at our universities," while poor people cannot get their children to primary schools. Something needs to be done about that.

As donors we must harmonise our policies. Poor countries are getting huge headaches because of all the different procedures for the 2,000 aid missions we send every year to Tanzania and Zambia. The one and only good civil servant in the Health Ministry in Zambia is writing reports according to all the different standards of the donors and their agencies. The European Commission has just rung the alarm bell on this, stating that the commitment made by European member states to harmonise procedures is not being followed up.

If people want to know the quality of the aid, there are fantastic reports from the OECD development assistance committee and in my country once in a while we debate them in Parliament. This is the best mine of information one can get for each individual country, because we can then see where there is room for improvement and where the problems are. This is not just aid but what we call coherence. When I was a development Minister we had a wonderful project where we were able to help dairy farmers to increase production of milk in Tanzania, but however successful the project the local factory would never buy the milk from local farmers because Dutch milk powder is so cheap that no farmer would be able to compete with it. Therefore what we do with one hand in helping production we take away with the other by destroying or denying markets.

The phone call Tom and I had, when he was Minister for trade and I was development Minister, was about sugar. The first time I became politically active was over 30 years ago, when the European Union was still a net importer of sugar. Now, because of the Common Agriculture Policy and because we have more members, we are the biggest sugar exporter in the world where beet sugar is not cost effective. We are destroying other countries' markets. The CAP needs more domestic reform.

I know as a former member of Parliament that this will be hard to explain to farmers, and not only in Ireland. However, we should also try to explain to the rest of the population that the consumer and the taxpayer pay for this. Recent OECD research shows that except for Greece, in all our countries - and mine more than any else - farmers are far richer than the average citizen. If one wants to give income support one should focus on those who need it, as at present much of the support leaks away and does not end up in the pockets of farmers who need it. Only 5% of the support is used for environmental services. If we want to keep our beautiful landscapes, from the west of Ireland to Tuscany, we must pay people to take care of public goods rather than thinking of effective ways of doing so through giving money to farmers. Agricultural policy is very important.

Much has been achieved on trade barriers but products made by poor people in poor countries face trade barriers which are twice as high as for products made by rich people in rich countries, so that is still on the agenda. Europe took the lead in Doha and promised poor countries that we would would have a trade round where they would not be the beggars at the feast, but until now we have failed to live up to that.

"Everything But Arms" did not deliver as much as we hoped, partly because the rules of origin are far too strict. We must improve this. On the economic partnership agreement, I hear sub-Saharan African governments telling me time and again they simply cannot cope. They do not have the human resources to negotiate their own regional integration, which should be their highest priority. As long as sub-Saharan Africa does not become one market it will always be too small for investment, both foreign and domestic. There is also the WTO to consider. When it comes to pushing economic partnership agreements we should relax a little.

On the debt issue, Jubilee campaigns all over Europe and the US have led to some debt relief for some countries. That has been very successful because every penny countries do not have to repay us on the debts they owe us has been invested in education, health, fighting AIDS and so on. However, that applies only to some countries. Debt is still not sustainable and we must have a second round of debt relief. I hope the World Bank development committee will create that opportunity in April.

I will now address what parliamentarians can do. One option is networking. I believe in that more today than I did 26 years ago because of the democratic deficit with globalisation and global governance increasing. That is not only at European level but at the level of the UN and the WTO also. More global networks are needed. Also, we need to focus more often on debating development co-operation. As a former Minister I was sometimes tired of the degree to which my friends asked me to come to parliament in the Netherlands. However, that is always better than talking once every two or three years about development co-operation, as is the case in some other EU countries. It is important to have this on the agenda and not only for the foreign affairs development committee. These issues are as relevant to the finance, trade and agriculture committees. That is very important.

What can one do? I will give some examples of best practice. Ireland has by far the best practice on the 0.7% requirement. What is being achieved here is cross-party commitment to achieving that by 2007, which means that whoever wins the election, the country is committed. That is a fantastic example of what can be done and it would be great if the UK or other countries could do the same. Sweden has just passed a beautiful law on coherence called share responsibility, where the issues of the main development goal and poverty eradication become the responsibility of every member of government. It was not a bad law when the government sent it to parliament but it was much better when it came back from parliament.

Other good examples include the UK, which has a parliamentary committee doing terrific work in this area. It is worth looking up their website if one is interested in trade. Both before and after Cancún there was a fantastic report on the issues from the perspective of the development issues concerned.

We in the Netherlands have been debating every time our Ministers went to the IMF committee or the WTO negotiations, a period of 20 years. I introduced myself to it in 1983 when I was a parliamentarian but I saw in Ireland for the first time that the Finance Minister is supposed to send a report to Parliament every year on what Ireland does in the IFI. It is very important to demand accountability as to how Governments run international institutions.

What one can do is extremely important. It is parliament which holds the key to making rich countries live up to their commitments - first and foremost the Barcelona commitments, but there is also the 0.7% commitment. Agricultural and trade policies should be scrutinised, as should international financial institutions.

My last suggestion relates to poor countries which, at the request of the UN and rich countries, are sending progress reports on development goals to the UN. Only poor countries are doing that on the first seven goals. The idea arose a year ago and Denmark was the first country to say that this is uneven - we must also send a report on how we are doing on goal 8. Denmark was the first and I know other countries like Sweden and the Netherlands are thinking of doing the same. The funny thing is that rich countries are lecturing poor countries that their millennium development reports should come about in a participatory fashion. I am not sure if the Danish report was debated. It would be wonderful if the Irish Government reported that parliaments should discuss the issue. It should adhere to civil society by doing so.

We are the first generation that has the resources and know-how to end poverty. We should refuse to lose this opportunity. We owe this to poor and developing countries and to the next generation.

Mr. Tom Arnold

It is a pleasure to attend such an important meeting. It demonstrates the commitment of the Chairman, Deputy Woods, and his committee, which was reflected in his speech this morning. It is a pleasure to share this platform with Ms Herfkens and the Minister of State, Deputy Kitt. The only minor problem is that there is no disagreement among us, so there will not be controversy from that front.

I come to this topic from two perspectives - an organisational one and a personal one. The organisational one is that Concern has been working in Africa for more than 30 years. It has dealt with all the crises, including the famines, that have occurred during that period, and it has worked for many years on long-term developments. It has serious experience in that regard, which I hope we reflect in our programmes. I am a member of the UN hunger task force. The essential purpose of the task force is in line with the programme of millennium development goals about which Ms Herfkens has spoken. The purpose of the task force, and other task forces, is to set down the key strategies that need to be put in place so that these goals are achieved.

When we start discussing the topic "Africa - The Forgotten Continent: Prospects for Stability and Development" we need to be very honest and coldly analytical. A starting point as part of this honesty is that Africa is in real danger of becoming the forgotten continent. It is increasingly marginalised from the world economy in terms of its share of world trade and foreign direct investment. Many African countries have little strategic, political or economic interest, except for those who have a natural resource perspective. Even that is very much a mixed blessing, because some of these countries have been damaged through a combination of corrupt local politicians and unscrupulous foreign interests.

Africa is facing a major development crisis and has a major image problem. The development crisis has been deepened by the ravages of conflict and HIV-AIDS. This has devastated the natural resource base and the institutional capacity in many countries. The primary responsibility for tackling the development crisis and the image problem rests with African political leadership. As Ms Herfkens said, because of the scale of the crisis, Africa will need sustained support from the international community to deal with this. She also said that the key importance of the millennium development goals is that they represent a shared agenda with different responsibilities spelled out.

What I would like to do is to try to link two of the millennium development goals. The first one deals with hunger and commits the world to halving the number of hungry people by 2015. There are 800 million hungry people in the world. This should be linked with millennium development goal No. 8 which talks about partnership, including the different forms of partnership and practical responsibilities that each partner plays, whether African governments, donor countries or civil society, in working towards this goal of halving hunger by 2015. This can only be a staging post because I do not think it is morally or politically acceptable that, in a world of such wealth, we can countenance even a small number of people remaining hungry, let alone 400 million people, which is the commitment of the millennium development goal.

I want to conclude by specifically talking about Europe's special role in working towards this goal. We need to know where we are starting from. I want to put some brief facts on the table about the scale of the development crisis Africa is facing, specifically the hunger problem. I want to illustrate these by a few statistics. They indicate that, over the past 30 to 40 years, sub-Saharan Africa has not been progressing to anything like the same degree as Asia or other parts of the world. Over the past 30 years, per capita income in Africa has declined. Per capita income tells just part of the story; it tells us nothing about the distribution of the income or other aspects of the quality of life. The United Nations Development Programme has developed the human development index which captures other issues, such as life expectancy, child mortality, literacy and education. This statistic, which is published each year in the UN human development report, indicated that, between 1990 and 2002, 54 countries were less well off in human development terms over that period, and most of these countries that were less well off are in sub-Saharan Africa.

Population trends are important. The key statistic is that, in the early 1970s, population growth rates in Africa and Asia were around the same level, with an increase of approximately 2.5% a year. At this stage, population growth rates in Africa are still at the same level. In Asia they have fallen to less than 1.5% a year. The factors behind population growth rates are obviously many and complex. However, two of the key factors influencing population growth rates are increases in national and per capita income and better education, particularly for women. In both of these measures, Africa is losing out.

When one looks forward over the next few decades, the issue of population growth becomes of crucial significance. Many people in Ireland would have a keen sense of two countries in Africa: Nigeria because of the whole missionary tradition and Ethiopia because of the famines in the 1970s and 1980s and the contribution this country made. If one looks at current population growth rates to see what will happen to the population in each of these countries by 2050, the figures are frightening. The population in Nigeria would increase from the current 132 million to 280 million and the population in Ethiopia would increase from the current 70 million to approximately 190 million. This is an indication of the scale of the development challenge these countries face.

If we move to the issue of hunger, the most relevant statistic to track over the past 20 or 30 years is food production per capita. When one looks at these statistics, the situation is that, in Asia, because of the green revolution, per capita food production increased by between 30% and 40%, depending on countries, and, in Africa, it decreased by 11%. When one puts all these together, including income growth, population growth, changes in the human development index and changes in food production trends, one has the basis for another key statistic, namely, the trend in the numbers of hungry people. Again we see that, from the 1970s onwards, there has been a significant fall in the number of hungry people in Asia, and that trend will continue. However, in Africa, trends are going in the other direction.

These are the basic raw and brutal facts behind the development challenge facing Africa. If one wants to look beneath these to see the underlying factors which explain this problem in more detail, it will come down to three crucial issues which need to be highlighted. The first is conflict, to which the Minister of State already referred, and the second is HIV-AIDS. Linked to both of these is the issue of the stability of institutions and the capacity of these countries to grow. We are all aware of the conflict in Africa and the human cost involved in that regard. In less that one month's time we will remember the genocide which took place in Rwanda ten years ago resulting in instability in the central African region. From 1998 onwards between 3 million and 5 million people in the Democratic Republic of Congo died either by way of violence or disease. Members will be aware of the situations in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ethiopia and Eritrea and the human cost to Zimbabwe of political and economic breakdown.

While we are normally aware of the human cost of conflict in terms of loss of life and suffering, we do not manage to put figures on the economic and development costs involved. The World Bank has undertaken work in that regard. Interestingly, it has managed to work out that the so-called average conflict - I am not sure what constitutes an average conflict - in terms of the cumulative loss of national income over the average conflict time of seven years, represents 60% of national income. That is the scale of what we need to take into account when considering development. Another study illustrated that the losses in agricultural output to all developing countries during the 1970s resulting from conflict amounted to approximately $120 billion, enough to feed 330 million hungry people every year. That is the cost of conflict.

It is hard for those who have not been to Africa to imagine or describe the impact of HIV/AIDS on that country. It is a history changing event, an accurate term in that regard. More than 30 million people in Africa are infected with the disease, representing 75% of the total number of people infected. Currently, there are 14 million AIDS orphans; that figure will reach 20 million by 2010. Part of this generation have been raised by their grandparents rather than parents. It is hard for one to get one's head around such statistics as it is easier to think of individual cases. The Minister of State, Deputy Kitt, and I visited Zambia approximately 18 months ago. We came across a man raising ten children, some of them members of his direct family and others from his extended family. He spoke English and I asked him what he had done during his career. He replied that he had been a magistrate in Rhodesia. That says a great deal. That man had a respected and good career more than 20 years ago in Rhodesia. He could have expected to look forward to traditional African old age with all the respect that involved. Instead, he was rearing a second family.

Moving from individuals to the wider context, HIV/AIDS is having an enormous impact on development possibilities. It is removing much of the human capital of doctors, nurses and civil servants on whom countries depend for development. It is having a particular effect on food security. In many African countries, 70% to 80% of the population remain dependent on subsistence agriculture for their livelihoods. Since 1985, 7 million farmers in Africa have died from AIDS in the 25 most affected countries and an estimated 16 million more people are expected to die during the next 20 years. This is having dramatic effects on farming systems, the implications of which are only beginning to be understood. This information is gloomy but it is true.

As John Hume said in terms of the conflict in Northern Ireland, one can only start from where one is rather than from where one would like to be. There are some signs of hope upon which we have to build. I repeat what I said earlier that the primary responsibility for development must rest with African political leaders. African leaders have committed themselves, through NEPAD, to improving standards of government but it must be clear that they have to deliver on these commitments. We heard earlier, in terms of the Irish Presidency, about the degree of work taking place. However, that work must deal with more than financial flows if we are achieve MDGs. If we want to keep the focus on what is needed to deal with hunger and the causes of hunger, it is clear Africa must be helped to deal with the big problems such as conflict, HIV-AIDS and building the human and institutional capacity. It is equally clear that development cannot be left to Governments and the political system. The rule of civil society within African countries will be crucial and must he harnessed and encouraged.

There are two crucial roles for civil society to play: to work to improve the delivery of services and to build up the social capital critical for development; and to work for much more accountable government at local and national level so that people's social, political and economic rights are upheld. It is in this context that the millennium development goals assume a particular importance. There is also a role for NGOs such as Concern and others in demanding accountability from the governments of rich countries as regards their commitment.

It goes without saying that Europe has a crucial role in working towards stability and development in Africa because of historical relationships which bring responsibilities and possibilities. At the most obvious level, Europe is Africa's main partner in development assistance. I believe Europe's responsibilities go way beyond development assistance. Its wider responsibilities are to assist to develop a world order that not only addresses the security challenges highlighted by the recent bombings in Madrid but recognises that a narrow security response is not enough. Europe's foreign security policies must reflect its values of democracy, solidarity, the rule of law, human rights and a commitment to the prevention and resolution of conflict.

There are interesting dilemmas for the acceding countries to the EU, a number of which are represented here today. At one level they have recent experience in development and transition, a valuable experience which is part of what Europe has to offer to Africa and other regions. At another level, there will be an understandable reaction among many of their citizens that their development needs should receive priority over Africa's development needs. How this circle is to be squared is one of the challenges to which delegates, as members of parliament in their countries, will be expected to contribute. There are also challenges and possibilities within civil society groups and the NGO community. The more established groups within the current EU will face challenges in terms of assisting the development of NGO and civil society groups in the acceding countries. At a political and civil society level, Europe has a crucial and important role, namely, the promotion of distinctive European values operating in a framework of a common and foreign security policy and built into a structured and well-resourced relationship which can make a real contribution to stability and development in Africa. For humanitarian, security and ultimately self-interest reasons, we cannot afford for Africa to become the forgotten continent.

Thank you. I thank the three speakers who have given detailed and informative contributions. We must try to remain on time because the Taoiseach is due to come before us at 5 p.m. and we have another session between now and then. There are five people remaining to make a contribution. I ask them to be brief.

Mr. Gustavo Selva

Thank you, Chairman. As time is limited and as the three speakers have been exhaustive in presenting the principles of the programme to aid development in Africa, I will confine myself to an observation of a preliminary nature - the anti-European and anti-western explosion among those who are dying or starving to death or who could be terrorised to such an extent that they might regard terrorism as a last gasp solution. It is for that reason, and not just because of the principles that the three speakers have effectively outlined, that it is in our interests to do everything necessary to help Africa. In Rome there are at least three organisations of a United Nations character, the FAO, the World Food Programme and NEPAD, which deal essentially with the issue with which we are dealing at this gathering.

A revolutionary technique has been devised by an Italian, Dr. Valentia Valerani, in collaboration with the Perugia University. I cannot provide any technical details of the discovery but I can submit the documents. This discovery enables one to collect and keep at a low cost rainwater which has fallen during the rainy season. In terms of specific measures we have taken to do more, an Italian development co-operation effort has funded the first tranche of this project in eight countries, seven of which are African countries - Senegal, Niger, Burkina Faso, Chad, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia. The eighth is Syria.

Over this area of approximately 75,000 hectares we will try to apply this technique on the ground. Practical assistance is always helpful. Our task is to make co-operation - NEPAD is important in this regard - practical through practical measures so that food, for example, begins with a country's own resources and draws on the land of Africa. I invite all present to reflect on this.

Mr. Joáo Rebelo

I will be brief to allow time for everybody else to speak. I thank the Irish Presidency for the marvellous organisation of this conference and congratulate Ireland on its choice of Africa as a priority area. As people know, Portugal has many former colonies in Africa: Mozambique, Angola, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, and São Tomé e Príncipe. Hundreds of thousands of nationals of those countries live in Portugal and several thousand Portuguese nationals live in those former colonies.

Portugal is not a rich country but it tries to help these countries as best it can. That is why I think the presentations by three speakers were excellent. Ms Eveline Herfkens in particular spoke about the effect of public opinion on aid to Africa. Recently, a survey carried out in Portugal showed that 92% of the population would be prepared to give some of their taxes for African aid. However, 85% of those felt that some of the aid would be lost either in the bureaucracy of international organisations or in corruption in certain African regimes. I agree with the three speakers who, when speaking about the quality of aid, said we must ensure it is given in a transparent manner which will produce results. That is essential and we are on the right road towards that.

All western countries, including the United States and European countries, have responsibilities in this area. For too long we have maintained, supported and propped up regimes which were corrupt or did not protect human rights in Africa. We cannot continue to do that. We cannot allow the realpolitik of European and American diplomacy to continue to support these regimes. We must be rigorous in our position vis-à-vis dictatorships and regimes which do not respect human rights. These countries have a right to humanitarian principles and it is Europe’s moral duty to ensure them. We are responsible in that regard.

One of the many development co-operation programmes is concerned with the control of armed gangs. Many coups d’état take place in Africa, often coming from within the army. These create instability, cause poverty and prevent humanitarian aid reaching people. We have programmes, similar to those we have carried out in other countries and continents, to try and develop democratic control in the institutions. Often, the armed forces of the countries must be included in those programmes.

Ms Annemie Neyts-Uyttebroeck

I congratulate the Irish Presidency for having placed Africa at the top of its foreign policy agenda. We are grateful it has made it so important. I thank Ms Herfkens, the Minister of State, Deputy Kitt, and Mr. Arnold for their introductory contributions to this discussion.

I would like to focus on what we as parliamentarians and chairpersons of the foreign affairs committees of our respective parliaments can do in that capacity. First, we can do useful work by ensuring that African issues stay on the agenda of the foreign policies of our respective governments. Also, there is important work to be done in the area of contact, at all levels, with African parliaments. The African countries are not all model democracies - far from it. Most of the countries have operational parliaments, some of which function well. All, however, have great need of contact and assistance.

I speak from experience. I led a delegation from my committee to Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo in January. The need for contact exists, not only at the level of exchanges and official visits which are all very nice and interesting, but also at the level of working visits. We can do useful work by inviting to our parliaments our counterparts from African parliaments. Exchanges of civil servants and commission secretaries would also be useful. We can also help by providing direct access to our wealth of knowledge and expertise. Sometimes we do not fully appreciate how deprived our African colleagues are in terms of matters such as, for example, enacting a law on nationality. This is one of the tasks the national assembly in the DRC must examine. I call on all the delegates and urge them not to neglect the less sexy, if I may be allowed say that, contacts of day-to-day exchanges and visits and, for example, exchange of civil servants. There are retired civil servants who still wish to remain useful for a certain time and who would be very happy to make their experience available to counterparts. That is very important. Those countries which have historic links, as it is euphemistically known, with African countries will know this and other countries will be aware of it to a lesser extent. We must appreciate that our African colleagues like to be treated as equals and they value seeing that we expect the same quality of work from them as we try to accomplish ourselves. Things such as this are extremely important for them and for them to know they have our support. They also need to know that they are observed and monitored by us.

Our colleagues in the new member states who will join us on 1 May also have the very relevant experience of transition to share with the African countries. Those accession states who are joining on 1 May are still experiencing transition with all that entails. That experience is something that they could usefully share with their African colleagues. I draw attention in my contribution to some quite down to earth matters which are very important for relations between Africa and us, the European Union, rather than matters of high policy. I thank the three speakers who spoke on the topic.

There are two speakers to follow: Lord Bowness from the United Kingdom and Mr. Urban Ahlin from Sweden.

Lord Bowness

I thank the Chairman. Like other speakers, I am grateful to the Presidency for including this item on the agenda. The committee of which I am a member has been looking at the effectiveness of European Union aid and, rather than give the conference a view, I will put four questions to the speakers.

First, how do they see the future of the European Development Fund and the ACP agreement? Do they regard it as discriminating against the poorest countries and would the poorest countries be better served if all European Union aid was budgetised? Second, do they believe that the reform process of devolving the management of aid to the European Union delegations has been successful from the point of view of the recipient countries? Third, are they happy that the proposed Constitution gives sufficient emphasis to development aid and will strike the right balance between foreign policy and development aid? Fourth, since Mr. Arnold mentioned Zimbabwe, otherwise Rhodesia, how do the speakers see the European Union-African Union relationship developing and will that be a way through to assist us all in coming to some kind of solution with the rather pressing Zimbabwe question?

Mr. Ahlin

I thank Ms Eveline Herfkens for her nice words about the parliamentary work in the Swedish Parliament on the policy for global development. I agree with Ms Herfkens that it was a good proposal from Government but it became even better after it was worked on in the Parliament. It is quite a simple proposal which tells the Swedish Government that all the Ministers need to promote global development. If one area such as arms exports or a trade issue will harm global development, then global development should take preference and have the upper hand. All the speakers understand it is very easy to say this but the problem arises in the reality and the practicality. In two or three years' time my committee will scrutinise the Swedish Government to see if they have fulfilled the nice words of this proposition. I think we will have reason to come back to it.

My second question is to do with what my Italian and Portuguese friends touched upon, namely, the threat of terrorism. It is time for us in Europe and in the United States to realise that the way we have treated those countries in our immediate neighbourhood has been counter-productive. We have been cuddling up to dictators and authoritarian regimes because they have promoted some kind of security, they have hindered the flow of immigrants, they have provided us with oil or they have imprisoned Islamicists or played an important role in the Arab-Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I think we should now call a halt and decide that this will no longer work. We need to promote democracy and it should come from within, but we should be serious in helping to promote the democratic forces in those countries. We should give them aid to promote change. This is easier said than done.

The US has promoted its great Middle East initiative and I think it is important for Europe not to put up a competing strategy. I want us to provide a complementary strategy because I think this is one of the best ideas we can work on for the decade to come. The threats are coming from there and we have a demographic situation that is terrible. There is a terrible hopelessness in this region which is a threat to us, so we need to handle it.

I have consistently raised at conferences such as this the question of the Common Agricultural Policy. If we are serious about eradicating poverty in the world, we need to eradicate our Common Agricultural Policy. The subsidies are enormous and they are hindering a market in those countries. If we do not allow those countries to sell their products to us, how can we imagine that they will come out of poverty? If we are serious, we need to reform the CAP and then we might even be able to have a 1% limit of the budget.

We have little time left so I will ask the three speakers to give brief two minute comments. We can then have a coffee break and they can comment as much as they like at that stage.

Perhaps we can complement each other because, as speakers have observed, there is much common ground between us. On the questions raised in the Italian and Swedish contributions, I agree that we must examine the question of terrorism side by side with development. The link between security and development is important. The European Union has just agreed on the appointment of a new counter-terrorism co-ordinator, Dr. Vries from the Netherlands. It is important that we work together on intelligence, travel security and dealing with third countries. We must also deal with the bigger picture, including the eradication of poverty, development aid, the building of democracy, the provision of stable governments and dealing with regional dialogue. As a Minister of State with responsibility for overseas development, I agree with that analysis and we support that position. With reference to the comments by the Swedish representative, the EU-US dialogue is relevant in that context. He rightly states that we should work together and we will endeavour to do so.

On the reference to water by the Italian representative, our programme in Tigre, Ethiopia, is somewhat similar to its work on the water table. I believe the same technology is being used. The water facility provides some money for private investment. The way to proceed is through the use of high technology, working together and best practice in the provision of water.

The Portuguese representative referred to the quality of aid and corruption. I agree with him that NEPAD working with the AU is an important mechanism to establish peer reviews of what is happening in the African regions.

Ms Neyts-Uyttebroeck from Belgium and I worked together on the trade side. She mentioned keeping Africa on the agenda and I appreciate her doing that. She also said that in our contacts with African parliamentarians we should treat each other as equals, with which I absolutely agree. Ms Herfkens and I met as parliamentarians when working in that environment and I strongly believe in that. This is one of the reasons I have organised an Irish Presidency conference with African parliamentarians dealing with governance and HIV-AIDS.

Lord Bowness referred to the EDF mid-term review. As he will know, this must be completed before the current EDF in March. In our Presidency role, we have an open view on this matter. We accept that budgetisation will give the European Parliament greater accountability. We want to make sure the focus is on Africa and poverty reduction. As long as that is our position, we must bring this debate to a conclusion and will support budgetisation on that ground. The question is timely and we will see what will happen at our next meeting at EU level.

A number of like-minded countries including the UK and Ireland came together to insert provisions regarding development into the constitution, which has been improved as a result. We need to look beyond the constitution and at our next informal meeting of development Ministers we will discuss how overseas development will feature in the post-election European Parliament and in the new Commission, which will be very relevant. I agree with Lord Bowness that we must use the EU-Africa dialogue to encourage the African nations to ensure that human rights violations in Zimbabwe and elsewhere are addressed. It is their responsibility.

The Swedish representative referred to CAP reform. Ireland welcomes the fact that the mid-term review of the Common Agricultural Policy decouples subsidies from production, which is a positive development. As regards coherence in Government, as a Minister responsible for overseas development I have been working hard with my trade colleague and the Minister for Agriculture and Food to try to bring coherence to our position. I will be the first to admit that we are somewhat vulnerable on that matter. It is the role of all of us as ministers and chairpersons to bring coherence and we have worked at that.

The mid-term review will be important and could change the whole nature of agriculture in this country. As Ms Herfkens said earlier, farmers will now think differently and not just get money for doing nothing. They will look to new products, which the consumer will wish to purchase. As a Minister responsible for overseas development I believe this gives us new opportunities on which we must work. There was agreement at Doha to eliminate subsidies and we must work on that basis.

Ms Herfkens

On the topic of terrorism, a long time before 11 September 2001, the Prime Minister of Yemen told me how worried he was that there was no option for poor people other than to go to Koran schools and how much he wanted international aid to build primary public education. While Yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world, it is not a member of ACP as it is not one of our former colonies. This in part answers the ACP question. It worries me that countries are forgotten.

The issue of Koran schools does not apply only to Yemen. It is as much a worry in parts of Tanzania, most of Mozambique etc. As donors, we are off-track when it comes to primary education. While the plans exist, we are not footing the bill. It would be wonderful if everyone here could go home to their own Minister and ask how much of the education budget - in some cases this represents 25% of all the aid - goes to primary education in those countries. How much of this goes towards scholarships to our universities from which only the elite of these countries benefit? There is no assurance that those who have studied in Rotterdam or Wageningen - I cite examples of Dutch universities to make it clear that we must change this - will ever contribute to poverty reduction.

I say this also in response to the question raised by the Portuguese representative. To address scepticism among the public, it is important for ministers to show taxpayers what happens with their money, such as that 200,000 girls in Tanzania now go to school who otherwise would not have. Parliaments should insist on such accountability, which would take away such scepticism.

In response to comments about the constitution, I am from the Netherlands and following both the Amsterdam and Maastricht treaties, we celebrated the beautiful - if I can call it - Swedish-type language that all policies had to be coherent with development policies. These have largely been empty words. The rules do not get changed by writing constitutions. They only get changed if governments fight for these issues.

I make one point that the Minister, Deputy Kitt, cannot make. We need to have overseas development ministers at Cabinet level to have the debate with ministers for agriculture, trade and foreign affairs to prevent the geopolitics of emerging dictators having the upper hand. Having Cabinet level overseas development ministers and having professional outfits for development co-operation is more crucial than any language in the constitution.

Mr. Selva referred to irrigation. I had read about that matter and I believe it is helpful. However, the point really is that there are many solutions, for example bed-nets can be used to counteract malaria. However we only apply these on a tiny basis, because we lack an additional $50 billion in external aid to do this on a scale to enable Africans to achieve the millennium development goals.

I encourage all those present to look again at their commitments made at Barcelona, including those of Italy, Spain, Germany and Austria at 0.33% by 2006. Others have made commitments at higher levels. Living up to these commitments is the most important thing we can do to achieve these goals and getting the parliamentarians present to monitor these commitments is the most important thing this group can do.

Mr. Arnold

I agree with what Ms Herfkens has said about the constitution. There are important issues about the degree to which Europe commits to overseas development within the constitution and there are still some issues concerning the wording to be inserted, which will be important. Beyond that there are practical issues, such as the role of overseas development within the new Commission and the debate on the financial framework from 2006 to 2013, which will be addressed shortly after the constitution. Many NGOs are carefully considering this matter.

The question of democracy is fundamental. If we are to have any chance of achieving development it will be through having more accountability. This does not necessarily mean having a pre-defined form of parliamentary democracy. While countries must find their own way, accountability is crucial. Any long-term project for development must try to invest in accountability in government. The famous economist, Amartya Sen, in studying famines discovered they did not occur under democracies or countries with accountable government. This is a crucial insight and shows it is not simply a matter of money but about systems of governance and accountability.

The Swedish representative asked whether the CAP should be abandoned. While many people believe this, the hunger task force is quite clear. In the very short term agriculture trade liberalisation will not necessarily solve any problems, particularly those of the poorest countries. To them coherence means not just coherence between trade and aid, but also coherence in increasing the productive capacity of these countries to trade. We need a much broader and deeper sense of what coherence means and to put in place a timeframe of what is relevant in the short, medium and longer term.

When we visited Zambia recently parliamentarians were trying mobile constituency offices. They had purchased six of them to reach the people for whom they were responsible. We are familiar with that here because we hold many constituency clinics and are closely in touch with the people all the time. I hold a constituency clinic every morning, as do many others, before starting the day's work. The problem in Zambia was that representatives could not contact their people and this is one of the simple solutions. I found it amusing because some of our younger Deputies have taken on mobile constituency clinics themselves and they travel round vacuuming up votes. It was great to see and it demonstrates the importance of involvement.

Sitting suspended at 4.05 p.m.and resumed at 4.15 p.m.
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