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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011

Humanitarian Emergency in the Horn of Africa: Discussion

Apologies have been received from Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan. Deputy Stephen Donnelley is substituting for her and I welcome him to the meeting. I remind members and those in the Visitor's Gallery to ensure that their mobile phones are switched off completely for the duration of the meeting as they cause interference, even on silent mode, with the recording equipment in the committee rooms.

The minutes of the meeting on 5 July have been circulated to members. Are there matters arising? No. Are they agreed? Agreed.

Before we commence today's proceedings, on behalf of the joint committee I express our sympathy to the people of Norway on the horrific deaths and injuries following this weekend's tragic events in Oslo and on Utoya island. What we witnessed there over the weekend was truly shocking. I will write to the new Norwegian ambassador who will come here in September and to the chair of the Norwegian foreign affairs and defence committee on behalf of members here to express our condolences, sympathy and solidarity.

We are a very caring nation that has a deep understanding of tragedy. The purpose of meeting this afternoon is to discuss the current situation in eastern Africa, the most severe humanitarian emergency the Horn of Africa has had for decades. Tens of thousands of people have already starved to death and the humanitarian needs there are enormous, as our three speakers will describe today.

Ireland's support for this relief effort is saving lives but much more is needed if the international community is to help save the millions of vulnerable people who are now threatened by famine. I, along with members of this committee, met last week with the seven heads of African missions to Ireland, including the Ethiopian and Kenyan ambassadors, to discuss this crisis. I pledged that this committee would do everything it could to raise awareness of the plight of those affected by the crisis.

The Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Eamon Gilmore, has informed me that he is considering what additional measures might be taken with a view to intensifying Ireland's contribution to the overall relief effort. Tomorrow a consignment of Irish Government aid for the victims of famine in Somalia will be flown into its capital city Mogadishu. Early tomorrow morning 38 tons of emergency supplies worth more than €250,000 will be involved in the first air lift. The Government has pledged €7 million in support for victims of the crisis. Some €3.1 million has already been provided to Concern, Trócaire, GOAL and World Vision for emergency food, water, sanitation and health care in the Horn of Africa since the beginning of 2011.

There are 11 members of Ireland's aid rapid response corps, a register of highly skilled individuals who are willing to be deployed at short notice to assist in emergency relief efforts, now working in the region. Last week the former President Ms Mary Robinson travelled to the affected regions with Mr. Tom Arnold of Concern, Mr. Justin Kilcullen of Trócaire and Mr. Jim Clarke of Oxfam Ireland. I am pleased to have them before us at today's emergency meeting.

They can tell us what they witnessed and give members of the committee their assessment of the situation locally. It is extremely important for all of us to hear that at first hand. They were in the midst of the crisis last week and this is their account of what they have seen in recent days. We have all seen the pictures on television. I will call the representatives in alphabetical order. After we have heard from them we will open the meeting to members.

Mr. Tom Arnold

It is entirely appropriate that this committee is considering this issue today. We are all very glad to be here. This is a problem that has not happened recently. It has been developing over a period. Concern has attempted to get attention for the problem since late last year. What brought it home to me that this was likely to be a major problem was when pictures became available last March of the skeletons of animals in the desert. It is a classic signal of a possibility of famine.

In recent months the scale of the problem has become more evident, to the point where in the region of 10 million to 12 million people were at risk. That was the context in which our three organisations invited Ms Mary Robinson to revisit the region. Obviously, we all know of her background, particularly in Somalia. Given that she accepted the invitation, we then had the issue of putting together a programme for the week. It might be useful to tell the committee a little about what we did last week in sequential order.

We started on Monday last week and visited northern Kenya, an area which is dominated by what we call agro-pastoralists, that is farmers who make their living from herding cattle. In some respects, there might be slight similarities to the Burren. It is a livestock economy and people are deeply attached to their way of life as well as it being an economy. We saw how this way of life, this economy, is under threat. These areas have not seen rain for between three and four years, with all the consequences that this entails.

The second day we went to Dollow in Somalia, to a clinic which Trócaire and the local community have been running for more than 20 years. We saw significant levels of child malnutrition. Mr. Kilcullen may refer to this in his contribution. The historic declaration that a famine existed in two districts of Somalia was made by the United Nations on Wednesday morning. The really frightening part of the declaration stated that unless things change, the rest of southern Somalia would reach famine conditions within the next one to two months. There is a real question as to what to do.

At that point on Wednesday the group separated. Along with colleagues, I went on into Somalia and on Thursday and Friday we were in Mogadishu. There I saw things I never wanted to see. In the first clinic we visited which is organised by Concern, I saw the scale of malnutrition, severe malnutrition. This clinic had rates of acute malnutrition of 80% and this is unprecedented. We visited camps on those days and we encountered people who had walked for weeks. Some of them left members of their family along the way. They arrived with nothing. This is what has given rise to the level of malnutrition.

This has been called the first famine of the 21st century. We are facing a humanitarian crisis of the most acute proportions. The question is what can be done about it. In my view, there are three short-term issues and priorities. The first is the need for a massive increase in the efforts to prevent acutely malnourished children from dying. This is done in two ways, by therapeutic feeding - which is a well established process - and basic health care. The second priority is to get food into the areas where there is access. Many areas do not have open access because they are occupied by the Al-Shabaab group. In the event that the rains will come in late September or early October, the third area of priority is that farmers need to have the tools to plant if the rain comes.

These are the actions that are required but it is a question of whether they can be done. Yesterday I attended a meeting in Rome which was hastily summoned last week by the French Presidency of the G20 and by the FAO. It brought together the nations of the world to co-ordinate a response. There was a lot of fine things said at this meeting yesterday. The question now is whether they can be translated into practice and this is the immediate challenge.

On the Irish Government front, I commend the actions taken already, in particular, the most recent announcement by the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Gilmore, of a three-pronged approach. There is obviously a critical issue about the political context of Somalia. It is a question of how we can gain access to the starving people. In some cases it is not difficult but in other cases there is a need for more discussion. I cannot go into the fine detail in this regard but this is a key reality. If lives are to be saved, there needs to be more access to those starving people. The UN is doing a certain amount of work with both the transitional government and with Al-Shabaab to try to get that access. I think it can happen and it should happen by means of dialogue and whatever other pressures are required. The lives of literally millions of people are at stake and this is what needs to happen.

Mr. Jim Clarke

I thank the committee for holding this special meeting and for giving us the opportunity to address it. I prepared a written statement which will be available afterwards and I will answer questions from members.

Oxfam commends the Irish Government on its response to date and we look forward to continuing to work with the Government through this crisis. We hope other large countries will follow Ireland's example in committing more money to the crisis. The response of the Irish public has been extremely generous. Despite the difficult financial situation, the Irish people are always willing to support others in dire circumstances.

Oxfam has been working in Somalia for 40 years. I will present our analysis of the situation. The world is facing the worst food crisis in the 21st century and the worst for many years. A total of 12 million people in this region are in dire need of food, clean water and basic sanitation. The UN has confirmed the famine has struck two regions of Somalia. By definition this means that acute malnutrition rates among children exceed 30% and more than two people in 10,000 are dying per day. According to the UN, tens of thousands of Somalis, mostly children, have already died. The crisis is set to worsen in the coming months before peaking in October, the so-called official hunger season. There are another three or four months of worsening until it reaches its worst situation.

The loss of life will be staggering if we do not act quickly. Extrapolating from the figures required to define a famine, one estimate suggested that one fifth of the population of Somalia could be dead within a year. This is a crisis of global proportion that requires a global response. Most Somalis earn a living through their animals but up to 90% of the animals have died and crops have failed again. Cereal prices are at an all time high, with the cost of some commodities up by 270% in some areas. More than 3.5 million Kenyans currently require humanitarian assistance, mainly in the southern agricultural areas and the northern regions such as Wajeer, Mandera, Marsabit, Samburu and Turkana. We visited those areas. In Ethiopia, an estimated 4.5 million people are affected while 120,000 Somali refugees have already fled to the Dollow-Ado area. Most of these people are already acutely malnourished and require specialised care. Very desperate people are spilling over the borders into countries and areas which are already in desperate need.

Oxfam has launched its biggest ever appeal for Africa. We are currently reaching 1 million people affected by the drought and in the coming weeks we hope to reach 3 million of the most vulnerable people. In the worst-hit areas of Somalia and Somaliland, 3.7 million people need humanitarian assistance. We are currently reaching about 630,000 people and we hope to scale up to about 800,000 people in the coming weeks. At a practical level, Oxfam is trucking water to keep animals healthy. Mobile teams screen, treat and refer severely malnourished Somali children and pregnant and breast-feeding mothers who are arriving in camps seeking help. In Mogadishu, along with a very large therapeutic feeding centre, Oxfam provides life-saving equipment such as water, beds and X-ray machines to Somalia's only functioning children's hospital.

Oxfam is hoping to reach about 1.4 million people in Ethiopia in the coming months, by supplying water, drilling bore holes and working with communities through cash-for-work programmes to provide vital employment and to build latrines, clean local reservoirs and support pastoral communities to keep their remaining animals alive.

The committee will have seen the scenes at the Dadaab camp. Approximately 9,000 refugees a week have been arriving at this camp which is the biggest refugee camp in the world. It is chronically underfunded and overcrowded and it is home to 400,000 people and three generations of refugees. Oxfam is building toilets, drilling bore holes and installing pipes and tap-stands to provide clean water and sanitation to prevent the spread of disease. As members have heard, in Kenya's Turkana region malnutrition levels are much higher than expected and have reached 37.4%, more than double the 15% level that is considered to be an emergency. All these facts and figures are startling but they do not show the human tragedy that is unfolding. The figures do not tell the story of the women who have travelled for hundreds of kilometres across unforgiving terrain with weak children and no food in the hope of reaching a camp where assistance may be provided. They do not tell the story of children who survive this horrendous ordeal and die on arrival at the camps, or the story of the ones who are not so lucky, the elderly people and the weakest children who are left behind, or the desperation of people who are forced to make decisions that none of us could possibly imagine. They do not show the unbearable pain of hunger and the massive toll this is taking on so many thousands of innocent people.

I heard the stories of the children, women and men who are trying to survive through this unimaginable horror only last week during our visit to Kenya and Somalia with our former President, Ms Mary Robinson, and with Trócaire and Concern. I thank my colleagues and particularly Ms Mary Robinson for the partnership of working together that has allowed us to have a united front in telling this story to the Irish public and to the committee members.

I thank you for that.

Mr. Jim Clarke

One of the things that struck me about this crisis is that every single coping mechanism that people would have normally had is gone. They have sold all their livestock, eaten or sold crops and run out of money. Why it is happening is obvious. Severe drought has led to the huge scale of the disaster but it has also been caused by people and politics as much as by weather patterns. Aid agencies, including Oxfam, Trócaire and Concern, have been sounding the alarm about the severity of this food crisis for many months. It is no coincidence that the worst affected areas are the poorest and least developed in the region. The emergency is not just caused by successive poor rains but by entrenched poverty due to marginalisation and lack of investment in affected areas as well as a broken regional and global food system, which cannot feed the world in this new age of crisis.

As to what we can do, this is the crunch time for donors. We need to provide money now to fill an approximately €560 million funding gap to ensure that we save lives right now and beyond this emergency. When this famine is over - we hope it reaches a conclusion soon and our efforts have been to the extent that they need to be to save the lives of these people - we have to fix our broken food system. We must deliver food for more people using less carbon and other finite natural resources and ensure that every man, woman and child has enough to eat so that this does not happen again. It is possible and it can be done but it requires governments to take up this challenge and act together in many different fields. It means world leaders must deliver a global climate change deal and that we must live up to our own climate responsibilities. It means investing in small farmers, particularly women who are best placed to feed the most vulnerable given the right support, and it means people, progressive companies and governments remaking a sustainable food system which delivers for all. If we do that, we can ensure that everyone has enough to eat always.

I thank the members for their attention and I look forward to hearing their questions later.

I thank Mr. Jim Clarke for his presentation and now invite Mr. Justin Kilcullen, director of Trócaire, to make his presentation.

Mr. Justin Kilcullen

I would like to be associated with the comments thanking the Chairman for having us here and for the effective response of the Government and Irish Aid to this crisis to date.

From Trócaire's perspective, we have been operational in Somalia since 1992 and at present we provide the health service to the people of Gedo province in the south west of the country and also the education service at primary school level, serving a population of 220,000 people. The reason we have been able to continue to operate there, despite the difficult political circumstances and the presence of Islamic groups that control areas there, is through the close relationship we have built up with local communities over that time. These programmes are run by local district committees elected to represent their people, funded financially and technically by Trócaire. Wherever there is a difficulty with a local authority, we do not engage, rather the people themselves do so. On occasions in the past we have had to withdraw, go back across the border to Kenya and only come back when the local community has established with the political authority that Trócaire is free to continue.

This is the nature of the work that we have all been doing to try to continue to serve the people of Somalia in what is a very difficult circumstance, and it is very delicate and sensitive. It is important that in any political intervention and any initiative to try to resolve this that these sensitivities are respected. It is possible to work in Somalia if one is patient and prepared to put in the time and effort to work through the local people and not to impose things from on high.

We are also present in Kenya and Ethiopia and I refer to Turkana in north-west Kenya. There we work with the diocese of Lodwar and there is a long tradition of Irish missionaries working there, which are now very few in number because many have retired, but they have left a fine legacy behind through the diocesan health, agriculture and development office. I travelled with a mobile clinic about 50 miles from the provincial capital Lodwar and one of the first things pointed out to me were the carcasses of camels that had died of thirst on either side of the road. I saw a number of camels in distress in the bush just waiting to die. I know the death of a person is a tragedy and that of a camel is perhaps not one but it gives an indication of the depth of this drought that nature's one creature that was built to survive in such circumstances now cannot survive. When we arrived at the clinic, the health team from the diocese was quite shocked at what it found. It visits there every month and the deterioration in the health of the people as a whole, and particularly the children, in a period of four weeks was deeply worrying. It said that unless intensive aid was got to this group over the next three to four weeks, that it would begin to see children die. That work is now proceeding, since it discovered this, but it is worried about so many other communities in this very widespread and semi-barren area. What is going on in those areas? Services for those people are few.

This drought is not only in Somalia but in Kenya and Ethiopia, but we need to focus on Somalia for one or two reasons. One is that despite the severity of the drought, because Kenya and Ethiopia have governments that provide services that have a structure and a framework into which NGOs and other aid organisations work, we can be hopeful that the worst can be avoided. The problem in Somalia is that there is political anarchy and that the instability and weak local government structures are a major contributor to the famine in that country. In terms of the response of the international community, a key political decision must be made. Up to now Somalia has been treated by the international community as a failed state and a source of terrorism and every initiative towards it has been based on that premise and that Somalia should be contained to protect the security of the west. The time for that is now past. There are 10 million Somali people. These are not 10 million terrorists but ordinary people, like you and me, whose only aim in life is to provide for themselves and their families. That the country is now so unstable has led to a situation where extremists have been able to get into positions of influence and power. If one continues to marginalise a population like that and give them so little, then is it any wonder that some will turn to extreme methods in terms of their response?

The former European External Affairs Commissioner, Mr. Chris Patten, talked about this problem directly. He used the metaphor that if one wants to kill the mosquitoes, one must first drain the swamp. What he meant, essentially, is that we have allowed Somalia to turn into a swamp and the mosquitoes therein are those who are perceived to be terrorists. Until we get Somalia sorted out, these people cannot be eliminated. It is time now for people to be put before politics. We need to see a proper response from the United States, whose contribution of $15 million is hardly more than our own in Ireland, and from other major European donors that have been reluctant to put what is required into this effort, which is now estimated to be $400 million short of its immediate needs in terms of a response.

Another point I make relates to political accountability in terms of the problem of world hunger. This is something that was highlighted by the Hunger Task Force, of which Mr. Tom Arnold and I were members, established by the Government in 2007. The report of that task force was presented to the United Nations in 2008. It referred to the recurring problem of hunger in the world and that there is no political accountability for it. A press conference was held in Nairobi last week at which the head of a major international organisation and a Minister from a European Government talked about who was responsible for what had happened and they kind of said that of course we are all responsible and now we had all better do something about it. That was a nice way of saying nobody was responsible. Three million Somalis are threatened by death because of famine and we cannot say that nobody is responsible. The problem all along has been that hunger is something we tolerate. Constant levels of hunger among 1 billion people seems to be acceptable. I want to quote from the Hunger Task Force report. It states:

There is no shortage of international agreements on hunger and the right to food. The problem is the lack of effective actions and inadequate resources to implement these agreements. A robust mechanism is required to hold countries to their pledges and commitments - at the very least a mechanism with the capacity to ‘name and shame' those defaulting on earlier commitments.

To avoid this happening again in Somalia in five or ten years' time both the issues of treating this country as more than a failed state and the international community being held to account for commitments it has made must be held forth. The United Nations, and Ireland in particular because of the lead we have taken on the hunger issue, needs to push this issue in the international community to avoid this happening again.

They say drought does not cause famine. It is vulnerability to drought which causes famine. We have seen here when floods happened or when the water services failed in Northern Ireland over three weeks last Christmas that people with resources will survive those events. It is the poor who are vulnerable who cannot survive them.

The lack of attention to vulnerable people by way of agricultural policy and investment in the case of Somalia is one of the causes for this crisis. These are marginalised communities that receive little support, even from their own governments, let alone the international community, and we need to renew our commitment to those people, as a result of this famine, to ensure there and elsewhere we will not see such suffering again.

I thank all three speakers. I have one question before I open the meeting to the other members. We all knew there was a drought, crop failures and that food prices had increased dramatically. We also knew there was a huge movement in population in that area. The witnesses can answer this question when they are replying to the other members. Rather than reacting to famine, was there a way to prevent this famine? Were early warning systems in place that could have prevented it? The most important question is whether there is worse to come. I would like the witnesses to answer those questions. I call Deputy Seán Ó Fearghaíl.

It is difficult to follow all of that but I must first congratulate the Chairman for convening this meeting. We are privileged to be in the presence of these three gentlemen given the work they and their organisations are doing. I commend them on engaging with former President Mary Robinson and on the work they have done in highlighting this problem, particularly in the past week.

All of us who are privileged to be public representatives must be shocked to the core by what we have seen, read and heard from the witnesses today. The statistics they put before the committee are mind-boggling and if we are to have any value as public representatives we must respond to the challenge they put before us. It is clear we are looking at a massive failure on the part of the international community to address a problem that could be seen to be developing over a long period of time. Mr. Kilcullen put his finger on it by first identifying the long-term problems that exist in Somalia and the fact that those issues have not been addressed, particularly at United Nations level.

One could go on forever on this matter but I am aware all members want to contribute. Given the capacity of the United States, the European Union and the United Nations to respond in a meaningful way to a challenge such as this and their capacity to put in place measures to prevent this type of disaster happening in the future on the current scale, what are the practical steps Ireland can take as a leader in world aid and as a country that has suffered famine? In our own families and in our very being we have a sense of the enormity of this problem, given what our nation went through not so long ago. What are the practical steps we can take with our partners in the international community? Should we ask for the convening of a special UN congress on this matter? Should the EU leadership convene to address this crisis urgently or what steps can we take?

I thank the two chief executive officers and the director for their presentations. Many of the issues they raise clearly point to the obscenity of international relations as they pertain to Africa. There have been droughts in other regions of Africa in recent years. It is not an unusual phenomenon but as Mr. Kilcullen correctly and succinctly outlined, it is not drought but the vulnerability to drought that kills people. His example of the Six Counties' water shortage and the fact that we were able to get water to people quickly is excellent and one to which anybody can relate.

I read the briefing documents from the NGOs in the region and they are excellent. They point in clear terms to the reason this has happened and what needs to be done to prevent this scale of tragedy occurring again.

It is not widely appreciated just how poor has been the international response to this crisis. I am an Opposition TD but our Government has responded appropriately, and I commend it on that. The British Government has responded with an excellent financial contribution but many EU governments have failed in that regard. As we speak I do not know the up to date position but until recently some EU governments had not given any new money towards this crisis, and the US response in monetary terms has been appalling. People will look at the way the big players internationally - the EU and the US - have responded to this crisis versus the way they responded to geopolitical situations that were clearly of benefit to their countries or regions, including oil crises and so on, and they will draw their own conclusions.

I thank the witnesses for all the work they have done, and particularly for the constructive solutions they have given us. I am sure they are deeply frustrated and that they have contributed to many think tanks, consultations, White Papers and so on, yet we see this happening again.

How do we pull together the key international players on this issue? We have the millennium development goals, the MDGs, and the target of 0.7% of GDP by 2015. There is criticism of that in that there may be some notional sense of poverty reduction but the key issue is access to food. Will that be addressed through the MDGs? How do we pull together the key players internationally and how do we deal with the issue in Somalia? I listened carefully to Mr. Kilcullen's comments in regard to intervening but that it must be done in a skilful way that is respectful of the complexities of the tribal and political structures.

I want to get a sense of what we can do as a committee to impact on our Government and in turn what our Government can do to impact on the international scene. Despite all the difficulties Ireland has faced we can still hold our head up high in terms of our contribution towards the issue of human rights and overseas aid through the decades. We have a proud history in that regard. Former President Mary Robinson personifies that, and I was delighted to see her in the region. There is much more I could say but I do not want to be unfair to the other speakers.

I thank the three delegates for attending. I am aware this is a stressful and important time for all of them in trying to respond.

I want to ask some specific questions. The Government has contributed €7 million to the relief fund. To me, this is woefully inadequate for the scale of the humanitarian crisis that has been described. It is a pittance. If we had mothers leaving their kids starve to death on the roads in Kerry while they walked to Dublin for food, much more than €7 million would be raised. What do the delegations think of the amount given? While our aid budget has fallen because it is linked to gross national product and the €7 million had to be redirected from other sources, is this the best amount that we can give?

Is the total international aid budget of $1.9 billion enough to deal with this crisis? What can Ireland do to exert pressure on the international community to deliver its end of the bargain? We can embarrass other countries into doing it by delivering on our end. What else can Ireland do? What can Ireland do for the reconstruction efforts? Mr. Jim Clarke spoke about supplying farmers with seeds and tools to get them back producing food. What else can be done to help institutions or infrastructures in the region, whether temporarily or permanently?

I thank the three speakers for their presentations to the committee.

We have been here before, having many similar discussions about crises in this region over the past 15 years at this committee. It is true that the international community has not yet got to grips with the forward planning requirements entailed in dealing with such situations. We have known for the past 18 months that a famine like this was about to happen in the Horn of Africa. To respond adequately and effectively to this crisis requires airlifting food supplies which can only be provided by certain agents, such as the UN and NATO, and more effective long-term planning. Previous to this crisis, considerable concern was expressed during a similar crisis in Somalia as to how to deploy aid and ensure it got to the right people. Is there a formula for ensuring aid provided for this crisis can be secured and protected against marauders? To what extent can the international community co-ordinate its efforts to deal with this problem?

The aid provided by the Government is welcome and worthwhile, particularly when money is not exactly falling out of the trees in this jurisdiction. The aid for the Horn of Africa is not the only aid programme in which Ireland is involved. With its bilateral and multilateral aid programmes, it must be noted that successive Governments have been responsible and responsive to aid delivery and humanitarian crises.

The global warming issue is a wider one. The committee had discussions about this regarding the WTO talks and the sugar industry in Ireland. The argument was made that a change to the sugar industry regime would bring about better conditions for the poorer farmers in Africa. That was not the case in the end as it had no impact at all on the poor farmers in Africa. Instead, multinational food corporations moved in to avail of whatever benefits accrued. Any aid programme must be targeted to benefit those most in need while eliminating any gains for those undeserving.

I cannot but feel a sense of despair at the horrors unfolding in the Horn of Africa, particularly when I am conscious of how I am one citizen in a tiny nation of 4.5 million. The non-governmental organisations are our unsung heroes and have improved the quality of life for thousands not just in the Horn of Africa but across the continent. Praise has already been given to Oxfam, Concern, Trócaire and the Government, with the limited resources it has, for their responses to this crisis. What more can be done? One member has questioned if €7 million in governmental aid is enough. It is not clearly enough but it is as much as we can afford. Are we ensuring the best use is made of the €7 million, however? On top of whatever the Government does, it must be remembered that the Irish public is renowned to be the most generous donor.

Considering the large populations of the countries affected, the fact that the Turkana region is in trouble and the 500,000 refugees in camps on the Kenyan borders, who is going to play God and decide how to distribute the limited aid resources to the affected? Should we pick the camps, the Turkana region or those limited areas to which Christian organisations have access in Somalia? Although there is world politics at play here, and the United States of America has its reasons for being cautious about putting resources into Somalia, this is a simple question which I have never asked. Essentially, these are Christian organisations working in Somalia, for example, which is reputed to have al-Qaeda links through Al-Shabaab. How do the agencies manage in such a politically hot climate? There is much conflict between Christian and Muslim in Africa, from the north, for example, right through northern Nigeria. How do the agencies, which are essentially Christian, manage?

I ask the following question because we feel responsible for saving as many lives as possible. Is it merely a western support problem? Where, for example, do the extremely wealthy oil-rich Arab nations stand in the provision of aid? Off the top of my head, I think of oil-rich Saudi Arabia or other such countries. Do they address the issue as sincerely and as panicky as we do in Ireland?

Let us hope we can do a little extra. Is the problem now on such a vast scale that the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs must address this issue at a higher level, that is, at the United Nations and at European body level?

I am sitting in here because of my interest in this area. I welcome what has been said here today, particularly regarding the fact that this did not happen overnight. Mr. Kilcullen correctly identified that this is a four-year problem. I would say it was happening prior to that because of the political situation in Somalia.

While Ireland set a target of 0.7% of GNP, four years ago the UN stated what it really needed was 0.44% of national income from each country and that if countries could achieve that, that would be sufficient. I ask the witnesses to comment in that regard.

Further to Deputy Eric Byrne's point, China is the second largest economy in the world. No one has mentioned anything about the Chinese who are currently raping Africa, removing all of its natural resources. They do not seem to be coming on board.

Mr. Arnold was at a conference in Rome with the FAO. Were many African countries represented? In particular, did Somalia have a representative there? The solution to this is not a western or non-African solution. The solution is an African solution to an African situation.

Lastly, there was an article in the Sunday Independent, and in the Irish Daily Mail a couple of weeks ago. I would like to hear the comments of the witnesses on the article by Eilis O’Hanlon in the Sunday Independent at the weekend.

Like everybody else, I compliment the three gentlemen here, but also their volunteers and staff who no doubt work in extremely difficult circumstances in Africa. There is probably no area of Irish life where we can hold our head as high as we can in the area of international aid over many generations, down to the great volunteers and people who go out year after year to do such great work. What the Government has committed recently is certainly welcome, but what we are committing, through our aid organisations and our people, is probably of even more significant value.

On the issue of how much, €7 million in the current economic climate is a significant figure. It cannot be described as a pittance. When we discussed this at the first meeting of the committee, as a percentage of GDP, it has raised by 0.01%. We are nowhere near the 0.7% yet, but at least we are moving towards it.

We seem to be putting out a fire over a number of months in the Horn of Africa. Clearly, there is a target of another €850 million required. Coming back to the first meeting of the committee, the first issue highlighted was how aid sustainability could be addressed. Given it is an area in which we in Ireland have done so much in the past, much public comment recently has questioned the effectiveness of such aid and whether it is short term or survives into longer term projects. Notwithstanding, and perhaps separate from the issue of getting aid there over the next few months, the committee must examine how we can ensure they survive the famine, as we did. Irrespective of whether we like it, public debate will focus on whether we are getting the most effective value for money for the aid being delivered. That is perhaps an issue to be addressed after we get over the current crisis.

I thank the two CEOs and the director for addressing the committee today, and I apologise for being late. I have just come from a meeting of the Association of European Parliamentarians with Africa in conjunction with the Polish Presidency of the EU, where the Irish parliamentarians, based on Ms Mary Robinson's message to AWEPA, drafted a resolution calling on European states to contribute to the aid effort in a manner commensurate to their size which, as we have noted here today, they have not done.

The question I want to pose is regarding Al-Shabaab and the challenge that organisation poses. We are reasonably clear on what is required on a humanitarian level from the United Nations but we are much less clear on what is required from a security perspective. How confident are these three gentlemen that their organisations will be able to reach a modus operandi with Al-Shabaab to distribute food aid or is a security intervention required, either by the United Nations or by the African Union, or could such an intervention be counterproductive in terms of the goals sought?

Like other speakers, I welcome the three visitors. It puts our problems and difficulties into perspective when we see what the unfortunate people of Somalia and Africa are suffering. This problem is of such considerable proportions that aid agencies on the ground will not be able to resolve it on a long-term basis. Who is putting the bigger picture together and are we satisfied that all the key players who should be at the table are at the table? How confident are the agencies that in the next couple of years we will see any significant improvement in the situation? They spoke of the lives of 12 million people being at risk. This cannot be allowed continue.

Following from a question by Deputy McNamara, I note that the CEO of another Irish aid organisation has been calling on the Government to exert pressure on the United Nations to deploy a peacekeeping force in the region to ensure aid is distributed. Mr. Arnold disagreed with that strategy. I ask him to comment on that and to explain why there is this divergence of opinion among the aid agencies as to how the distribution of aid should be handled.

I thank the Chairman for allowing me to speak since I am not a member of this committee. I thank the three speakers for giving us a very detailed explanation. Once one visits an area such as this, one never forgets it and is totally convinced about trying to encourage change.

I refer to earlier questions about the security issue. We sent Irish troops to Chad with an the EU peacekeeping force. They provided protection for more than 500,000 people in the internally displaced persons, IDP, sites and in the refugee camps. They provided a sense of security for the aid workers and it allowed them to get on with their job.

What stage are we at in regard to trying to improve security? At the current pace, where do the delegates see it in three months' time? Will we be in the same position in three or in six months' time? If the pace at which we are going is not good enough, what do we, as a country, need to do to ensure we up that pace through the UN, the European Commission and the European Council?

I thank the Chairman for allowing me to speak since I am not a member of this committee. I just came to offer my support to the different groups working with the poor and to say I am very unhappy with the international response. A common question from people is that if someone gives €10 or €20 towards famine relief, how much of that money goes directly to the people suffering or starving. Ethiopia recently spent €100 million buying 200 T-72 tanks while it received €37.5 million in aid from the Irish Government. How would the delegates respond to, and justify, that?

I have asked this question before but why is there no international rapid response unit for the starving throughout the world? We hear constantly in the Dáil about battle groups, the availability of troops and the potential to help in crises and yet there seem to be no battle groups for the starving.

I join in welcoming and complimenting the NGOs as I did our missionaries, all of whom play a pivotal role as ambassadors for Ireland but also in benefiting the poor in many of the deprived areas of the world. Two lines from the Trócaire presentation stand out, namely, that Somalia is seen as a failed state, a haven for terrorists and a problem to be contained rather than resolved and that the lack of political accountability at national level and international level is a major contributing factor to continuing hunger in the world. That echoes some of the discussion we had with the Africa heads of mission last week. We seem to be continuously in crisis management mode. Will the delegates address how we can be better prepared and anticipate some of these problems before there is horrendous loss of life?

On the security issue, what is the United Nations doing, or what could it do, in this regard? It strikes me that there is a cycle of problems in Somalia which give rise to or facilitate hunger and loss of life. The UN should devote all its efforts to, or perhaps adopt some of the areas where problems tend to be repeated and address them until they cannot be repeated. If that means intervening in governments which are inept or corrupt, then so be it. How would the delegates respond to that?

I thank all the speakers. There were 14 speakers, which shows there is huge interest, and they asked many questions. I will leave it to the delegates to answer them as best they can. I am sure their answers will not overlap.

Mr. Tom Arnold

I will try to respond to some of the comments but there are others with which colleagues will deal. A general theme of the comments was who should help, is what is on offer enough and, where does the Irish contribution fit into that. The whole international community was at the meeting in Rome which I attended yesterday. What was striking was the number of countries which said they were willing to help. It is legitimate for us to say that we think certain European countries could do more. The UK and Ireland have taken the lead within Europe in terms of what has been contributed. It is fair to say the US could do more but there is a group of Middle Eastern countries which should do more, and Deputy Eric Byrne touched on this.

At the meeting in Rome yesterday, the well-known economist, Mr. Jeffrey Sachs, who is a representative of the UN Secretary General, came up with a very interesting statistic. He said that between last year and this year, because of the price of oil, the Gulf states are earning $234 billion additional dollars. A very tiny proportion of some of that additional income could solve this whole problem. A global response to this problem is needed and we need to look beyond the traditional western donors. That needs to be said clearly.

On the Irish contribution, what has been done so far is broadly adequate. The Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade's press release of two nights ago said that a technical team will visit the area - I think it left today - to assess the scale of the problem, although we know that, and perhaps assess what more can be done. I hope that if it comes back with a recommendation to do more, that will be done.

The ultimate way to look at this - it was touched on by a number of speakers - is that it is one area of Irish public life where our reputation is high. This response shows that. The best thing we could do is to recognise that and ensure that, as we prepare for next year's budget, we retain our commitment to our aid target and deliver on it.

On the issue of the balance between the short term and the long term, there must be an effective short-term response but it must be cast within the long term framework. All of the countries, unless they begin to adopt much more sustainable long-term policies, will never get out of the problem. Part and parcel of that is the political situation. Unless Somalia arrives at a point where it has a government, it will not have any basis for long-term development, and Ms Mary Robinson touched on this a few times last week. Perhaps there is, in this current crisis, the possibility that the Somali people will start to put in place a more accountable government because the current system is clearly not working. Two famines in 20 years is the ultimate indicator of political failure. Something must happen within the Somalian political system to move towards a more stable situation but it must be helped by a change in the external environment. This is where I agree with Mr. Justin Kilcullen that the international community must start to treat Somalia in a somewhat better way.

Senator Michael Mullins asked if there should be some external intervention in the short term and referred to a disagreement between GOAL and me. The GOAL suggestion of a UN peacekeeping force at this time would be utterly counterproductive, because it would inflame a very delicate situation and could do a great deal more harm than good. I am certain that this is the view of the senior UN people dealing with this issue. The suggestion from GOAL is regrettable and could put the lives of aid workers at risk.

Mr. Justin Kilcullen

I agree with Mr. Arnold's comment. Our team on the ground in Somalia is very much against any kind of intervention. It is called peacekeeping, but there is no peace to keep in that sense. Any troops that go in would end up having to take on local militia who would see this as the UN availing of a famine as an opportunity to intervene politically in Somalia. This would never be just a humanitarian mission. It would be seen very much as a political and military intervention.

Committee members may have seen the film "Black Hawk Down". It provides a very realistic demonstration of what happens when one gets embroiled in military action in Somalia. It would be a very sobering exercise to repeat what the US went through when it intervened in 1992.

The Chairman opened by asking can things get worse. Unfortunately, there is potentially worse to come if there is no rain in October. If there is no rain, there will be no crop next January and the population will be totally dependent on food aid for the foreseeable future. Perhaps this relates to Deputy Donnelly's question about whether €1.9 billion is enough. We will only know when the circumstances unfold. At the moment, we know that there is an enormous shortfall and we know what is needed for the agencies to operate right now. There are capacity constraints. We cannot spend all the money at one go, and things have to be planned and done properly. We need sufficient funds and cash flow to keep the aid effort going. If it has to be sustained into next year, then so be it. I presume everyone will be asked to pay more to enable that to happen.

In respect of the Government's €7 million, I would estimate conservatively that the Irish public will donate €20 million to this disaster. From what I know is coming into Trócaire and making comparisons with past appeals from our agencies, that figure is easily achievable. Together with the Government money, that is a very significant response. The Government has an allocation in its budget for emergency responses. Perhaps most of it will go on this emergency. I presume there is only so much in the budget, but there will be a new budget in December and if this crisis continues into next year, it will be important to take this into account.

That Ireland has been able to give a good response and the fact that we have maintained the aid budget as a percentage level in the last budget, in spite of all the difficulties and the IMF, ECB and EU plan, is a credit to the outgoing Government and the current Government. It gives us leverage in the world to be able to make this contribution, and to demand our European partners to step up to the plate. If we were sliding back on our aid commitments, we would be in no position to do this. At a time when our international reputation is very poor and the Tánaiste wants to improve Ireland's image abroad, this gives us a profile in the international community and a leadership role. We should be proud of that and we should make the most of it for the good of the people of Somalia.

We need funding and policies for the reconstruction effort. There has to be a commitment to get policies in place at national and international level to support the smallholders and the pastoralists in these very marginalised areas. Both the beneficiary governments of aid and the donors of aid must put a priority on that. According to the Hunger Task Force report, aid budgets fell from 20% of development in the 1990s down to 3% early in this century. There was a "walking away" from agriculture, and now we see the result. Until the international donors get this balance right and reinvest in agriculture, especially women, smallholders and nutrition, we will not resolve this problem. In our Hunger Task Force report and in Irish Aid policy, we have the template to do this and push the issue at international level.

Deputy Byrne asked about operating as a Christian agency in Somalia. We are an agency of the Catholic Church, so there is no disguising that. However, we are very careful. We cannot present ourselves as that when working in the context of Somalia. We have demonstrated to the population and the various political authorities over 20 years that we are neutral politically, that we are independent operators, we are not working on behalf of anybody else, and we are impartial in how we deliver our aid. It is for everybody, without questioning their background. That has been achieved by building up trust over many years, and as long as we are perceived to operate in this way, we can continue to do so. We run the health service and the primary school system in a province of 220,000 people as a result of that, in partnership with local committees.

This is the delicate balance we need to maintain. While I appreciate Deputy McGrath's points about battle groups and so on, I am nervous of the term "battle group", following on from what Mr. Arnold said. There is a battle group on the ground. It consists of thousands of NGO staff and other international agency staff who are ready to get stuck in but who are being deprived of the resources to do so. The people on the ground are not the problem.

The criticism in the Eilis O'Hanlon article is that Trócaire is spending €230,000 this year in Palestine, instead of on this emergency. Palestine is a country where 80% of the people are dependent on food aid and where malnourishment figures are equal to some of the poorest countries in Africa. It is just a ludicrous suggestion that one could just swap things around like this, and indicative of the lack of research done by some of these columnists when they write this stuff in Sunday newspapers.

Mr. Jim Clarke

We can work in these areas and we can do that for the reasons outlined by Mr. Kilcullen. We are impartial, we are neutral and we do not fly flags. In Oxfam's case, we are secular as well. All of the agencies have been very careful about what they say publicly and about what we are seen to do on the ground. We always target the most vulnerable first. It does not matter who they are. We have to be seen to do that and we will always do that. We also work mainly through local partner organisations. These consist of local people who are in the best position to determine needs and distribute assistance.

In respect of the newspaper article, I do not think the columnist liked the fact that we campaign on major global issues such as climate change. In the area we visited, there has been no rain for eight years. This is the worst drought in 60 years. It would be ludicrous to assume that this is not connected to climate change and to the way the world has used carbon and continues to do so. We have to address that issue. This might address something mentioned by Deputy Durkan as well. We cannot attribute this entirely to climate change, but it certainly is a factor. The sad fact is that we are likely to see more and more crises like this, unless we address this key issue collectively, here and in the developing world.

On what more we can do, it was interesting that when President Barack Obama stood not too far from here not that long ago, he spoke not about the great Irish poets and artists, but about Ireland's position on development, how we have shown leadership in the world and how much he and the United States have admired that. I certainly hope that, irrespective of how difficult things are here, we will continue to do that. We have tremendous global credibility for a small country. We have very good friends in the United States and in Europe and I suggest to the committee that the best possible use of that friendship would be to put pressure on those countries that are not yet delivering to put a greater focus on this crisis because it is of enormous magnitude and quite likely to get much worse, and others can certainly do more.

We talk of a figure of €1.9 billion which could certainly contain this issue over the next six months. It is a drop in the ocean compared to the thousands of billions that have been used to resolve banking crises across the world. It is nothing in the scheme of things.

On the longer term question, as far as we are concerned the food system we currently have just does not work. Leaving aside this shocking crisis in east Africa where there are 12 million people at death's door, 1 billion people will go hungry tonight, tomorrow night and every night. That is a result of a multitude of complex issues that can be resolved if we put sustained energy and effort into them, if governments collectively deal with some of these key issues, and if we ensure that food is no longer treated merely as a commodity to be traded for futures to make money but as something everybody needs to which we all have a basic fundamental right. There is a much bigger global issue that we need to address. We need to look at food in a completely different way, and we can do it.

We were asked how can we be better prepared. Certainly, the early warnings, as we have mentioned, were there for this crisis. We knew it would happen. We flagged it for several months. However, there has been an underlying lack of investment in coping mechanisms for people. A point that struck us more than anything is that when there have been crises in the past, people had certain coping capacity. They have none now. There has been no investment in small agriculture which is the sustainable livelihood for these people and we need to invest much more heavily in that in the short, medium and longer term. If we focus our attentions on that, it will make a considerable change.

I would agree with all of the other speakers that perhaps there is an opportunity for a major international spotlight to be kept on Somalia until we start to look at the broader issues that result in this happening continuously, to maintain that focus and to work with all of the actors with whom we need to work to try to deliver a long-term solution for that country. Internationally, we have a great deal of sway in that area, using the right international actors.

Can anybody answer the question from Senator Mulllins on the idea of a peacekeeping force in Somalia?

Mr. Tom Arnold

I thought I had already made clear my view, which, I think, is shared by my colleagues, that the proposition that the United Nations would send in a peacekeeping force is not a good idea. The situation is so delicate there that it would be interpreted as a foreign intervention which would stir conflict rather than do anything else. It would in practice achieve precisely the opposite to what is being proposed, which is to help get external aid to the starving people.

The debate has been interesting and illuminating for all of us. Chairman, what do you propose we as a committee do now, or will we go into private session?

We will go into private session afterwards.

On a peacekeeping force, I fully understand the position. We saw "Black Hawk Down", and read about it. More importantly, we saw what preceded it as well, and the killing of hundreds of thousands of people that took place there.

The point about security and protection relates to the periphery. In the border areas of adjoining countries, where it is nearest to deploy food aid to those in need in Somalia, it might be of benefit to have some sort of security to facilitate and protect people who are in the business of deploying aid.

Thank you, Deputy Durkan. Does anybody else wish to make a quick comment?

On the point I made about where we are and where they see themselves in three or six months' time, what can we do as a country to ensure that the pressure is maintained, and especially on the security issue for those who are working on the ground?

I heard the answer to Senator Mullins' question. I canvassed the same point. Mr. Arnold acknowledged that this has happened twice within the past 20 years, which is unacceptable. I did not hear any response as to what should happen. Do we merely wait for it to happen again within the next 20 years? It strikes me that the infrastructure, political environment, insecurity or whatever else is a condition which contributes to the appalling loss of life and there needs to be some overarching approach to ensure that it does not happen again. I accept the point about intervening in a crisis but we cannot be uninvolved bystanders awaiting the next catastrophe, either there or somewhere else. There needs to be greater anticipation and greater participatory intervention.

The worst aspect is the tendency for the world to move on. For example, understandably, the news story has moved on to Norway in recent days and to the death of a celebrity. This is the nature of news cycles and fickleness of attention on these issues. The fact is these delegates are there all of the time. This is what they do. They have submitted constructive documents which set the context of this crisis and the solutions for dealing with it. They clearly outlined why we do not need a knee-jerk military intervention. Their key phrase is, "There is no peace to keep." That is fairly clear. The next issue for us as a committee is to see what we can do to deal with the submissions they have made and the solutions they have proposed.

The purpose of today's emergency meeting was to create awareness of the crisis and to meet the three representatives. Did Mr. Arnold want to respond?

Mr. Tom Arnold

No one would submit other than that the only long-term solution for Somalia is a political settlement. That must come fundamentally from within the Somali people and political class. What is being argued is that this crisis, a second famine in 20 years, might just give the stimulus for some creative thinking about that. There may even be some little analogy with our own situation on this island. Ultimately, it was people within this island who agreed to have a new way of political dispensation and it was helped by external political circumstances which facilitated that. That is the longer term vision.

As to how that is to be achieved, I do not have an answer. That is why in the short term, if our core objective is to get relief to starving people, we need to manage to do that urgently, but in a way that does not further aggravate some of the political difficulties and sensitivities that exist. That is the basic point I am trying to make.

Mr. Justin Kilcullen

I would like to pick up on what Mr. Arnold has said. The European Union is currently focusing all its attention on the Transitional Federal Government in Mogadishu, which is a failed and corrupt entity. The Union has to recognise that its approach has not worked. There is need to engage with all political factions, regardless of who they are. The Islamic courts emerged from the community in Somalia seven or eight years ago. They established their presence as local authorities with a clearly Islamic approach to life. They brought a certain amount of stability to the country. People were prepared to work with them. The courts were actively undermined by the United States and Ethiopia, which conspired to destroy them because they thought they would lead to the growth of an Islamic government in Somalia, which would be against the interests of those countries. If we are to continue to put our security needs before the needs of the people of Somalia and to intervene on that basis, is it any surprise that Somalia is in the mess it is in? We have to learn from that experience. We have to work carefully with all the factions and use the experience of other countries to bring forward a government that is broadly acceptable. We might not like some of the hue it might have, but it is probably better for us to live with it and learn to deal with it than to oppose it and to end up where we are now.

Mr. Jim Clarke

I make a point that does not relate specifically to Somalia. African Governments were criticised earlier. It is worth noting that Kenya, which is struggling itself, is hosting approximately 500,000 refugees. We should give credit where it is due. Although there is a perceived security threat, people who are in a desperate situation have been allowed into Kenya. They are being cared for and looked after. It is important that we include that in the overall discussion. We need to look at the good work that is already being done by some African countries.

That is a good point. We have to acknowledge the help of the Ethiopian and Kenyan Governments. Somalia has been in a state of lawlessness since 1991. The point has clearly been made that it does not have a properly functioning government. There needs to be good governance. Something needs to be done about the political situation there.

I sincerely thank the delegates for attending this afternoon's meeting. They have painted a very bleak picture for us. The stories they have related and the pictures we have seen on our television screens are truly heartbreaking and shocking. We have seen images of children and elderly people dying from hunger and disease. This disturbing situation will only get worse. It is a stark reminder that the international community should greatly increase its efforts to ensure the plight of those affected remains firmly on the global agenda.

It has been pointed out today that the generosity of the Irish people has not been found wanting in this instance. It never is when crises of this nature arise. The Government has pledged €7 million as part of the aid effort. It is important to note that the Tánaiste is working on how Ireland can intensify its contribution to the aid effort.

I thank the delegates from Concern, Trócaire and Oxfam for joining us today. I remind the joint committee that many other non-governmental organisations, including World Vision, GOAL, the Red Cross, Save the Children and UNICEF, are working in the affected region as well. All of the agencies are to be commended on the important relief work they are doing in that region. They face a challenging task as they try to save lives. We wish them well. I assure them that the committee will monitor the situation. In September and October, we will meet other non-governmental organisations that are anxious to address this forum. We will watch what is happening and developing on the ground. The committee will work with all of the organisations to raise awareness of the plight of those affected. I thank them again.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.05 p.m. and adjourned at 4.25 p.m. sine die.
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