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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 28 Sep 2011

Irish Aid: Discussion with Minister of State

Apologies have been received from Senator Deirdre Clune and from Senator David Norris, who has more pressing matters to attend to at the moment. We wish him well in his bid to become Uachtarán na hÉireann. I remind members and those in the public gallery to ensure their mobile phones are completely switched off for the duration of the meeting because they cause interference with the recording equipment in the committee rooms. I ask people to respect this instruction.

Are the minutes of the meeting of 26 July 2011 agreed? Agreed. Are there any matters arising? No. The main items on the agenda today are the Irish Aid annual report for 2010, the African strategy and the current situation in the Horn of Africa and a review of the White Paper on Irish Aid. With us is the Minister of State in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade with responsibility for development and trade, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan. I welcome her to the committee for this discussion of the key issues and policies for Irish Aid at this time. She is accompanied by officials from Irish Aid - Dr. Vincent O'Neill, director of policy planning and effectiveness, Mr. Seán Hoy, senior development specialist with the private sector and trade, Mr. Dónal Cronin, development specialist in governance and Mr. Felim McLaughlin, counsellor for emergency and recovery. I welcome them to the committee for this important meeting this afternoon.

All members have received copies of the documents for the meeting along with their briefings. The Irish Aid annual report for 2010 delivers the positive message that development assistance works. This is a welcome message and members of the committee will be eager to hear evidence of the progress across Ireland's partner programme countries. I am keenly conscious, with famine having been officially declared in the Horn of Africa this summer, that not all parts of Africa are progressing at the same rate. There is a need to balance meeting emergency needs with long-term development assistance. In particular, I am keen to find out if Ireland's new Africa strategy will reflect the full diversity of the continent of Africa and Ireland's relationship with it. As many countries in Africa have achieved remarkable development in the past 20 years, there are great opportunities to expand trade and investment ties in future with those countries.

The Minister of State might also like to talk about the Millennium Development Goals and what changes the Irish Aid programme is making to reflect the fact that those goals cannot be achieved through aid alone and that increasingly business and trade will play a vital role. The Minister of State's designation as being responsible for development and trade recognises the important connections between those.

I invite the Minister of State to address the committee.

I am pleased to come before the joint committee to respond to the various issues that were raised. If additional copies of the annual report or the Africa strategy are required, we will be glad to supply them.

I will outline the priorities of the Government's aid programme, which is managed by Irish Aid in my Department. We are strongly committed to the aid programme and to keeping development issues at the heart of Ireland's foreign policy.

Internationally, Ireland's aid programme is regarded as one of the most focused and effective. Our aid programme is not simply an official programme but is very much the Irish people's programme. It reflects the values and sense of solidarity with people and communities in the developing world. The strength of the programme is very much around that strong public support. I acknowledge the broad cross-party support for this programme by previous Governments and the current Government. It is important that we continue to communicate as strongly as we can with the people, so that they are aware of the intentions of our development programme. In that way it will continue to be the people's programme.

I look forward to building on this very solid foundation to ensure that our overseas programme is responsive to the changing domestic and international economic and social context. I wish to ensure that the Oireachtas and the members of the joint committee are fully engaged with the programme over the coming years. I know the committee has been discussing the possibility of visiting one of our priority programmes in order to understand better the work of the programme and the constant challenges that it faces. I formally invite the committee to make a first visit to an Irish Aid priority programme over the coming months. I know the committee has engaged with departmental officials and is proposing to travel in the near future. Our embassy and officials in Irish Aid will be ready to work with members to ensure the visit provides an opportunity to meet with government, community organisations and staff engaged in delivering the programme. It is important that members have a basis to make their own assessment of achievements to date and the challenges that lie ahead. I hope that as many members as possible will visit a programme country.

I am sure members have taken the opportunity to look at the Irish Aid annual report for 2010, which was published two weeks ago. It sets out clearly how funding was used in the programme last year and highlights the results that are being achieved. This year Ireland's total overseas development aid budget will be €659 million. On current projections this will ensure that Ireland will provide 0.52% of GNP for development assistance this year. On a per capita basis, Ireland remains one of the most generous donors globally. We have clearly stated in the programme for Government that we are committed to meeting the target of 0.7% of GNP. We know that will be difficult. In the current economic circumstances it is a major challenge and the target may be difficult to achieve, but our strategy is to restore growth to the economy and to provide the basis for sustained growth in the Government aid programme in the years ahead. I am personally committed to working with Government colleagues to achieve that goal.

We have made this commitment not only because it is the right thing to do, reflecting the values and sense of solidarity of the Irish people with those who face extreme poverty in much poorer countries than our own, but also because it is in our own interests, as an outward looking nation whose future depends on the strength of our political, economic and cultural partnerships worldwide. It is no hard to remind ourselves of President Obama's speech in College Green recently when he referred to the Irish aid development programme. It obviously has resonance right across the world.

Of equal importance to budget volume is the issue of the quality of our aid programme. Over recent years there has been a significant move away from measuring quantity to putting more emphasis on the results and the outcomes achieved. This is counting not how much we give but what we are achieving from our contribution. Ireland has been to the forefront of this change. The quality of our aid programme has been recognised in many independent reports. A recent report that members may not be aware of, is the 2010 evaluation of the Paris declaration on aid effectiveness which was published last week. It ranks Ireland as highest among all European Union member states for the delivery of our commitments on aid quality. We are constantly being examined and evaluated and this most recent report is very positive for Ireland.

Attention to aid quality means a stronger emphasis on value for money and maximising the impact of Irish taxpayers' money allocated to development assistance. It means strengthening the accountability of partner governments for resources they receive from donors such as Ireland. It means ensuring that Irish people can be made aware of how Irish Aid is leading to positive change in the lives of the world's poorest people. In the current economic environment where there will be continued pressure to rationalise and fully account for expenditures in development co-operation, it is absolutely incumbent on me as the responsible Minister of State to ensure that our commitment to honouring our pledge to reach the 0.7% overseas development aid target is fully matched by a parallel commitment to aid quality and achieving results.

In spite of the impressive strides achieved in recent years, we are aware of the food crisis in the Horn of Africa and the natural disasters in Haiti and Pakistan last year which are stark reminders of the need to improve the resilience of communities in developing countries over the long term The Horn of Africa is currently experiencing the most severe food crisis to face the region in 60 years and it is estimated that 13 million people in drought stricken areas of Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia and Uganda are severely affected. The epicentre of the crisis is in southern Somalia, where famine has now been declared in six areas of the country and the UN has warned that 750,000 people are at risk of death if efforts to respond are not scaled up sufficiently. We are all well aware of the cause of the crisis - prolonged drought, failure of two seasonal rains as well as the substantial increase in food prices. The situation in Somalia has been compounded considerably by the conflict in that country and in particular by the decision of the Al-Shabaab militant group to ban the UN World Food Programme and several other western aid agencies from areas under its control. This devastating combination of drought and war has led to unprecedented numbers of people fleeing across the border. According to UNHCR, about a quarter of Somalia's population, 1.8 million people, have been uprooted since the beginning of the year. Large-scale displacements continue both within Somalia and to both Kenya and Ethiopia with mortality and malnutrition rates among those arriving at refugee camps in the latter two countries reported as alarming.

The Government has been following the situation in the Horn of Africa with concern for a number of months. Irish Aid funding allocated toward the relief effort currently stands at €10.1 million. In per capita terms Ireland is one of the most committed and generous donors to the region. We recently sent out a team who have returned and reported to us. We are constantly looking to see how we can assist in the Horn of Africa. At this weekend’s ministerial mini summit on the Horn of Africa in New York, the Tánaiste pledged a further €10 million in humanitarian assistance to the region before the end of 2012, effectively doubling the commitment to date.

Including our long-term development assistance to regions in the Horn of Africa, Ireland will provide a total of up to €50 million in assistance over 2011 and 2012. Irish Aid funding has been allocated to organisations with an operational presence inside Somalia, including Concern, Trócaire, the International Committee of the Red Cross and UNICEF and also to the World Food Programme, Christian Aid, Oxfam, GOAL and the UNHCR, for these agencies' work with local populations and Somali refugees in Kenya and Ethiopia. Government funding has been matched with very considerable donations made by the Irish people, demonstrating once again, even in the harshest of economic times, the enormous level of support in Ireland for assisting those most in need in the world's poorest countries. The Government, through Irish Aid, has also carried out two major airlifts of emergency water and shelter materials to Concern and the UNHCR for their activities in southern Somalia and the Dadaab refugee camp in Kenya. In addition, Irish Aid has undertaken 21 deployments from its rapid response corps to humanitarian agencies in the region.

The appalling situation in the Horn of Africa highlights the importance of planning for a longer-term solution to the problem of hunger and food shortages in many developing countries and in June of this year, I visited two of Ireland's programme countries, Malawi and Mozambique. I saw the effectiveness of our programmes, particularly in agricultural productivity, climate change and poor nutrition. Approximately 80% of subsistence farmers in sub-Saharan Africa are women. Anyone who visits programme areas is able to see the difference our programmes are making to the life chances of subsistence farmers and their families in terms of educational opportunity and the ability of farmers to feed their families. We are specifically targeting under-nutrition in mothers and young children and smallholder agricultural productivity, as I was able to observe on the ground.

Following the publication of the hunger task force report in 2008, we have undertaken to direct 20% of the Irish Aid budget to hunger and hunger related actions by 2012. We are firmly on track to meet this target. Irish Aid has scaled up its support for initiatives to help farmers produce enough food to feed their families and increase their incomes. It has increased its support for initiatives in Zambia, Malawi, Ethiopia and Mozambique which aim to assist agricultural and rural development through improving rural infrastructure, including roads, water supply and irrigation systems. It has increased the number of programmes that target maternal, infant and child under-nutrition in developing countries.

Ireland is a strong supporter of the Scaling Up Nutrition or SUN movement. In 2010, Ireland co-hosted with the US Government an event to launch the international 1,000 days initiative to address maternal and childhood malnutrition. In June this year, the Tánaiste, with US Secretary of State Clinton and Tanzanian Prime Minister Pinda, jointly launched the Scaling Up Nutrition programme in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

Just last week I attended a high level UN meeting in New York at which the Tánaiste delivered an address on Ireland's response to hunger. The meeting gathered together an impressive group of leaders, including UN Secretary General, Mr. Ban Ki-moon, US Secretary of State, Ms Hilary Clinton, and President Kikwete of Tanzania. I was particularly pleased the following day to address more than 300 delegates attending a meeting on the SUN initiative, during which Ireland's international leadership on nutrition and hunger was fully recognised. The insistence by those present on giving particular recognition to Ireland's contribution was especially gratifying. I am fully committed to giving effect to the recommendations of the hunger task force and ensuring the fight to end extreme hunger and under-nutrition remains a key element of the aid programme in the years ahead.

Ireland has a long tradition of important and effective development work by non-governmental organisations working overseas, some of which are represented at this meeting. This work has been well recognised internationally and I affirm the importance of continuing to support these organisations and efforts of local civil society organisations in our programme countries. The organisations in question are hugely important, not only in responding to humanitarian crises but also in supporting longer-term development programmes. They play a very important role in holding governments to account for the effective use of resources and honouring the rights of their citizens.

Irish Aid channels a higher proportion of development assistance through the non-governmental sector than other international donors. In 2010, the Government, through Irish Aid, provided more than €125 million in funding to NGOs. Much of this funding is directed to Irish based NGOs. It is aimed at activities which are fully consistent with the central objective of the Government's aid programme to make an effective Irish contribution to the fight against global poverty and hunger. Funding is also provided to support NGOs working in the areas of emergency and humanitarian assistance and development education. Irish Aid has also provided €16 million this year to Misean Cara to support the work of Irish missionary organisations throughout the developing world. In line with our commitment to more effective and predictable aid many of these organisations benefit from multiannual funding agreements with Irish Aid, which allows them to plan in a long-term fashion.

Members will be aware that my remit as Minister of State involves responsibility not only for development assistance but also in the area of trade promotion. The joint committee will appreciate that achieving sustainable progress in the developing world is not a question of money alone. Aid must be combined with sound policies and good governance. Improvements in capital flows, private sector investment and trade have a vital role to play in reducing aid dependency. This morning I and some of those who are present at this meeting attended a meeting organised by Value Added Africa to discuss the need to ensure trade relationships benefit our programme countries and other countries in Africa.

Irish Aid has provided almost €19 million over the past five years to assist African partner countries in improving their capacity to trade. This is in addition to financial resources provided for the development of local business enterprises, through Traidlinks, and support fair trading opportunities for African businesses. African partners have increasingly expressed their desire for Ireland to increase trade as an important step in decreasing aid dependency. Every time I meet an ambassador of an African country he or she raises trade issues. In recent years, some Irish businesses have made very considerable investments in African countries and many more are recognising the real opportunities for trading with or making investments in a continent where economic growth has continued unabated in recent years. In response to these developments and to assist in the creation of trading opportunities for Irish businesses, the Tánaiste, Deputy Eamon Gilmore, two weeks ago launched the new Africa Strategy of the Department of Foreign Affairs at the Africa-Ireland Economic Forum in the Smurfit School of Business at UCD. The strategy identifies opportunities to build on 40 years of Ireland's development experience in Africa. While we expected about 100 of Ireland's leading companies to be represented at the forum, approximately 140 of them turned up to express an interest in exploring the opportunities for trade and business with Africa. There was much lively discussion among Irish business leaders and the African diplomatic community on the mutual benefits of increasing these linkages. The Department is committed supporting this process by harnessing the potential of our diplomatic network in Africa and the expertise of our State agencies. We want to ensure these opportunities are realised and African and Irish businesses and communities benefit from a more coherent, integrated approach to Ireland's relations with the African continent.

I referred to the importance of ensuring our overseas programme is responsive to the changing domestic and international economic and social context. I want to ensure our aid programme remains at the cutting edge of international practice in planning for the future and, in a very different domestic environment, the policies and programmes of Irish Aid remain relevant to the wishes of the Irish people. I also want to ensure we remain responsive to the considerable changes that are taking place in the countries where our aid is delivered. As part of this effort, I have initiated a review of the 2006 White Paper on Irish Aid. The review, which will be carried out over the coming year, will ensure we build on our international reputation for effective aid and maximise the contribution Ireland can make to the fight to end global poverty and hunger in light of developments at home and internationally over the past five years. It will give us a clear set of priorities for Ireland's development programme and our international policy approach in the run-up to 2015, when the success of the millennium development goals will be measured, and beyond.

Work on this review has already commenced and in the coming months I am planning that there will be discussions across Departments and consultations with the general public, the development community in Ireland and our partners in developing countries. I am also keen to ensure the Oireachtas, especially this committee, actively participates in this review. I intend that the final review report will be published in July next year. I would welcome a discussion on how I can engage with the joint committee on the review and how the committee views its role in contributing to the review.

To ensure strong independent oversight will be provided I have asked the Irish Aid expert advisory group to oversee the review of the White Paper. Established in 2010, the core function of the advisory group is to offer independent advice to the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade and Minister of State with responsibility for trade and development on the aid programme. The group consists of five ordinary members and a chairperson, made up of a mix of national and international experts. In addition, one senior official from the Department of Finance is a member of the group in an ex officio capacity. The members were appointed by the Government in 2010 for a period of three years with the possibility of this term being extended up to a maximum of five years. I am very pleased that Ms Nora Owen agreed to take on the position of chairperson of the group in September 2011.

The review of the White Paper will be developed at a time when the international community is reviewing the quality of aid and making recommendations for strengthening the effectiveness of development co-operation in the years ahead. It is my intention to attend the high level forum on aid effectiveness, which will be held in Busan in Korea in November. I will ensure the outcome of this meeting can inform future directions for the Irish Aid programme. Some members of the joint committee may also attend the forum, which will assess progress on the role and contribution of aid in international development. It will bring together government representatives from the developing and the developed world, parliamentarians, civil society and others with an interest in strengthening the impact of aid. The forum will be an important opportunity to discuss the framework for development in the run-up to the 2015 target date for the millennium development goals and beyond.

Just ten days ago, I had the pleasure of launching the Irish Aid annual report for 2010. The report highlights, in general and specific terms, many of the improvements that have been made in the lives of the world's most vulnerable people as a result of our development co-operation programme. It explains how we are contributing to sustainable change in the lives of poor people, by targeting our aid carefully and working in partnership with our priority countries. I witnessed this in Malawi and Mozambique recently, where one can see how relatively simple and cost effective measures can make such an enormous difference in people's lives, such as access to primary school, availability of seeds to smallholder farmers and supporting local community organisations.

The challenge for all of us now is to ensure that the public funding made available for development co-operation is spent wisely and effectively and that every cent is used for the benefit of those who face poverty and hunger in our world. I look forward to working with this committee in the months ahead to ensure we can oversee this process effectively and look forward to engaging now on any questions members may have.

I thank the Minister of State for her very uplifting contribution. I am delighted to hear she is anxious this committee gets involved in the review of the White Paper 2006. We will put that to the top of our agenda during the next few months. Before I call on Deputy Ó Fearghail, I have a question with regard to our level of trade. Why is it that with the exception of north Africa and South Africa, our level of trade with the rest of Africa is so low? Our exports are only approximately 1% of our total exports worldwide.

After our last meeting, the Minister of State said I should not compliment her so much. We did not always get on as well when we were on the Oireachtas health committee and had diverse views. However, I compliment her today on her comprehensive overview of a wide range of activity. The Irish people can be very proud of the work being done by the Department of Foreign Affairs, Irish Aid and the many non-governmental bodies working in this area.

I would like to raise a number of issues. I welcome the publication of the Africa strategy, which has been a long time in gestation, and acknowledge the Minister of State's comments on the importance of trade in that context. As a developed country with significant international influence, as well as feeding the hungry, we can play a significant role in promoting sustainable economic development in these countries. Therefore, as we develop our aid programme, we must look at the broader developmental agenda constantly to ensure we are doing this. I welcome the fact that some 140 Irish companies are actively interested in exploring opportunities in Africa and this must be encouraged.

Many of the difficulties we and the international community face in terms of world hunger derive not just from natural disasters or climatic conditions but from conflict. After the Minister of State's previous visit to this committee, we discussed the issue of conflict resolution and the expertise that has been developed in this country, North and South, in terms of working in that area. In addition to the many other roles the Department plays in the developing world, could we be more proactive and offer countries assistance and expertise in the area of conflict resolution? Is it not appalling to think of Al-Shabaab preventing resources from reaching their own people while people are dying as a result? Besides offering aid, we can offer to work to try and resolve some of those problems. Also, when considering the Africa strategy and the need for sustainable economic development, we should be mindful of the expertise we have developed here in terms of social partnership. I would be the first to say perhaps we took social partnership too far here, but there is much to be said for encouraging elements of partnership for those countries where social partnership is an alien concept so that these societies can work together for the benefit of all.

The Minister of State spoke about the need to examine the effectiveness of the contributions we make rather than just the scale of contributions. She is right to consider the effective use being made of these moneys, but we must also maintain our high level of contribution. I offer Fianna Fáil's full support on that. I believe all parties will be unanimous in supporting her in working to achieve the maximum level of funding for the vital programmes currently in place, notwithstanding our significant economic difficulties. Our official contribution and the enormous parallel generosity of the people give us great moral authority in the international context and we need to do more and be seen to do more to challenge the wealthy countries of the world which make far too little a contribution, particularly towards tackling the problems in the Horn of Africa. We need to be more vociferous and must be heard advocating that they contribute according to their means. We are borrowing the money we are contributing while countries with a surplus give far less. This is an affront to common decency and we need to confront and challenge those in the international community, many of whom are our friends, in that regard.

My final question relates to the review. I respect and accept the Minister of State's commitment to engage with the committee and all interested parties on the review. Will she give us some idea of how she expects to receive an input from the recipient countries in terms of the review? How will those who are most affected make an input to the review process and what structure does the Minister of State envisage for that input?

I thank the Minister of State for her presentation. We are all immensely proud of the work of Irish Aid. The OECD has described it as "cutting edge" and we are proud of that. The Minister of State's address to the delegates on the Scaling Up Nutrition, SUN, initiative is something we can be proud of at a time of great difficulty in terms of our international reputation.

Targets were set and agreed internationally on what was needed to address the crisis in the Horn of Africa. Have those targets been met? I understand the Minister may not have all the figures to hand now but would ask if she can make them available to the committee. What was the per capita contribution of the donor countries? Those figures might provide an answer to the questions raised by Deputy Ó Fearghaíl, with whose comments I agree. I suspect that in the initial stages there was an appallingly bad response to the crisis. This committee wrote to the Tánaiste suggesting an EU envoy should be sent to the region to assist in the conflict in the Horn of Africa, which has exacerbated the crisis.

I commend the commitment regarding the millennium development goals in the programme for Government, where the State's contribution will reach 0.7% of GDP by 2015. However, from the 2008 peak, we have seen a reduction of €245 million in the contribution from our Government. We have also seen a fall from a peak of 5.9% of GDP to 5.2% this year. Therefore, we are moving backwards. We have cut hundreds of millions in the past few years from that investment. What is our strategy and how do we intend to address the issue in this year's budget? How do we start to move incrementally towards the 0.7% target?

My next question is about the high-level forum on aid effectiveness in Busan in the Republic of Korea. What is the Government's strategy for this event, both as a sovereign State and, probably more importantly, in the context of the European Union's contribution? As I said, there was concern about the emergency response from some European countries to the Horn of Africa crisis.

How can we pull all those voices together and deal with the issue of aid effectiveness? How do we ensure the voices of NGOs or civil partners are maintained as part of that agenda? While I support the idea of the Paris declaration on aid effectiveness, under which governments and parliaments engage in a process of accountability, we need to demonstrate that the money coming from donor countries is going to those most in need. We also need to respect the role and expertise of NGOs and continue to have them involved in the process. This also applies to the review of the White Paper, although I am less concerned on that issue which, in fairness, the Minister of State dealt with in her speech. I would like to hear assurances about Busan, however.

I thank the Chairman for his patience. I have a final question about human rights. There are ongoing human rights concerns in a number of countries that we are supporting through donations. One of these is Malawi, although there have been positive developments and we have played a constructive partnership role. How do we utilise that constructive partnership we are building with the likes of Malawi to ensure the protection of human rights? Recently, there was a presentation to Members of the Oireachtas about human rights in Malawi. We were concerned and continue to be concerned about the clear and manifest erosion of human rights in that country. How do we ensure that we can, in supporting these countries constructively, at the same time protect human rights?

There is no doubting the Minister of State's commitment to maintaining the overseas aid budget. It is good that it is in the programme for Government, but I hope it also makes its way into the next budget and that we do not see a cut when it comes down to it.

I share Deputy Mac Lochlainn's concerns about Malawi. A group of us involved in AWEPA were spoken to by two human rights people, and it was alarming to learn that in Malawi restrictive legislation is being brought in to limit human rights, freedom of speech and criticism of the government. We know how important civil society is in these countries. From AWEPA we wrote to the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Gilmore, about this.

Again on the issue of human rights, I believe from what I am hearing that an Irish presence at the trials of people involved in human rights issues in certain African countries seemed to be beneficial. I am thinking particularly about Zimbabwe. I understand our ambassador to South Africa has not yet presented his credentials in Zimbabwe; it is important that this be done in case such trials take place there.

I was also at this morning's meeting and was struck by one or two things that were said. One was that there was debt relief for 19 countries in Africa. I do not think that is as positive as it appears, because some of those countries are experiencing other difficulties with the terms and conditions and could even now be getting into debt again.

As the Minister of State knows, I have had the opportunity to visit Africa twice, once privately recently and once through my involvement with AWEPA. One thing that struck me was the involvement of the Chinese in Africa. Again, this is not as positive as it is being made out to be in certain places. In some countries the Chinese are bringing their own workers in, and they are throwing the odd road up here and there to appease whoever is looking at how the investment is spent. I know there is a lot of dissatisfaction among African civil society about what the Chinese are doing. At a certain point China was one of the dominant major powers that had not contributed to relieving the famine in the Horn of Africa.

I am going to try to get everybody in, if the Minister of State does not mind, because I want this committee to be inclusive.

I welcome the Minister of State. One of the best things about this committee is the agreement among all parties, particularly when we talk about the issue of our foreign aid contribution as a percentage of GDP. Although our GDP is falling, we all hope that will be reversed in a number of years, which will mean an increase in the foreign aid figure also. I welcome the attendance at the committee of the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, who asserted the Government's commitment to hold to the programme for Government and maintain our contributions as a percentage of GDP.

These are difficult times for everybody in the country and we are borrowing the moneys we are giving in aid. We support the continuance of that aid, but we have a responsibility to ensure we get the best value. The Irish people would expect nothing else. I refer in particular to the efficiency of the aid and the sustainability of the programmes for which the aid is being given.

There has been discourse recently - in fact, it may be fair to use the term "dispute" or "difference of opinion" - between some of the major charities in Ireland about how to deal with political issues in some of the countries in which they operate. Does the Minister of State intend to meet with representatives of the larger charities to see whether there is an agreed approach? The Government must show leadership in order to give people who are donating to the larger charities confidence that there are not considerable political differences of opinion between them. For example, GOAL may have a difference of opinion with Trócaire, Oxfam or Concern, and this may not be in the best interests of any of these charities. All who donate to charity would like to believe that as much of the money as possible is going to the people who need it on the ground, but they would also like to know that there are not large political differences between the charities in terms of how, where and by whom intervention should be made, either politically or militarily. I ask the Minister of State to consider this and maybe to comment if she gets a chance. I thank her once again for her attendance today.

It is with a great sense of progression that the Department of Foreign Affairs has moved on to become the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. This comes at a crucial period in our societal development and in view of the developments that are occurring throughout the world, particularly in Africa.

I admit I have not had a chance to read all the documents as they are quite substantial and arrived only yesterday. I will get around to reading the White Paper. The Irish Aid annual report is a simple and pleasantly presented document and very easy to read. Having been at the launch, I congratulate the Minister of State on its publication. I have read it in fairly close detail, but maybe one of the Minister of State's officials would tell me afterwards where the information on the €359,000 that was spent in the Philippines is located in the document. What programme was this spent on?

I have not had a chance to read the Africa strategy in great detail, but it seems to be a very serious document. This is something that is occurring in conjunction with other activities in the city of Dublin. I mentioned to the Minister on the previous occasion he attended the committee, in connection with our ambassadors and embassies throughout the world, that Ireland had a sort of unofficial range of ambassadors - maybe a couple of hundred - who work, for example, with the EU or the OSCE or carry out election monitoring or long or short-term observation. He committed to engaging with the several hundred Irish people who are out there working as unofficial ambassadors because they carry out wonderful work.

I read some of the documents on the Africa strategy. Will the Minister of State consider my comments? The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade funds the Africa day in Dublin. This is an interesting gathering, it is progressive and it is great to see and engage with so many Africans. However a great number of other activities are carried out by the African community, especially in the city. Only last week the Council of Europe officially declared Dublin to be an intercultural city.

With that as the backdrop it is important to point out that there are significant numbers of Africans working at community, political and organisational level. Some of them are based in the Africa Centre while others are involved in the New Communities Network and New Communities Partnership, the Diaspora Women's Initiative, DWI, and AkiDwa. It is important that we engage in a more progressive and interactive way with the vast numbers of Africans who are living in our country, especially in Dublin. The degree of activity, of which I was not aware when the document was launched this morning, is striking and there is evidence and opportunity. I was unaware of the Africa programme and it makes fascinating reading. It helps to guide us in the direction we are going, that is to say, meeting the aid with trade.

I was at an Africa Centre annual lecture given by a Ugandan speaker. Uganda is the second-largest recipient of our aid. The keynote address was delivered at the Africa Centre by Professor Augustus Nuwagaba, who trained in the London School of Economics and who is based in Kampala. He was engaging in a rather controversial way with the African community here, as academics do. Does the committee have copies of his speech? It was delivered in the main to the African community here but some non-governmental organisations, NGOs, were present as well.

If there is a White Paper do we have the mechanism of engaging with all of the African groups in the city and throughout the country with regard to how they believe they can make a contribution to the developing debate on foreign affairs and trade in Africa? Many of those in the groups are progressive women who are moving into business in a substantial way. Just as we should use our unofficial ambassadors who are long-term observers, LTOs, and short-term observers, STOs, in election monitoring projects for the OSCE, we should also capitalise on the goodwill of the Africans living here, many of whom are obtaining citizenship now. Equally, they could serve as ambassadors for their countries if we engage progressively with them.

I will call Deputy Lawlor. There will be three more speakers and then I will call on the Minister of State to respond.

I thank the Chairman for indulging me. I am not a member of the committee but I have an interest in the Irish Aid programme. I have not received any of the booklets but I would be grateful if the deputation could send on the White Paper and the Africa documents and any documents associated with aid.

My question relates to the aid budget. I am somewhat confused by the detail which I saw only today. The document refers to €125 million going to NGOs but the Irish aid programme does not identify this at all. It refers specifically to €53 million going to the five main Irish organisations. I would prefer to see a more detailed breakdown of where the money goes in the Irish Aid report. The report does not identify who gets what. I have met Brendan Rodgers and I will meet Mr. Coughlan with regard to aid effectiveness next Friday.

There is a good aid effectiveness programme in Irish Aid. A question must be asked with regard to the €125 million for NGOs. Do we receive reports on the effectiveness of the aid money we give to them? Nowhere do I see accountability for the money sent to Trócaire, GOAL, Concern or any such organisations. We are giving large sums of money to them. If communities in this country were given €5,000 they would have to account for the money spent. Since we are giving €125 million to NGOs it is incumbent on them to give us an account of where the money is being spent.

It is curious to read reports that we are involved with nine partnership countries. Some of the aid organisations and NGOs are involved with 27 or 29 countries with a budget of approximately €40 million yet we have budget of €600 million. We could use our money a good deal more effectively by being involved in a smaller number of countries. How effective is that money when it is spread too thin?

Go raibh maith agat a Chathaoirligh. Glacaim leis an méid atá ráite ag an Aire Stáit cheana féin. I am impressed with the comprehensive response the Minister of State provided. I will offer some brief questions and suggestions. I note the Minister of State's comments about the equal importance of quality in the aid programme as against the quantum of money provided. Naturally, the quantum is important as well. That was a reference to 0.52% of GNP. I understood the proportion related to GDP but perhaps I am wrong.

I understood the international requirement was 0.7% of GDP but perhaps I am wrong. I understand the 0.7% figure is targeted for 2015. Can we expect an incremental increase of approximately 0.5% each year? I realise Minister of State cannot tell us what will be in the budget but it would be nice to see some incremental increase rather than have the figure stuck where it is at present despite the fiscal difficulties.

My colleague, Deputy Seán Ó Feargháil, made a point about sustainable economic development and conflict resolution, points he made here previously. Deputy Mac Lochlainn referred to a constructive partnership to promote positive human rights. I will refer to two other areas. The Minister of State referred to agricultural productivity in the areas concerned. Are we doing anything to bring the expertise we have within the State and among other organisations to the table to assist in those countries?

Many of the problems encountered in those countries relate to poor and corrupt governance in many cases. Are we doing anything to inject sustainable democratic and administrative structures within the systems in so far as we can to ensure good governance? This would help to ease the problems arising. It would also enhance the prospect of dealing with them when they do arise.

I am in favour of the idea of improving access to primary education. I note the Minister of State's comments with regard to her visit to Malawi and Mozambique. She was impressed by it. A local priest has been in Kenya for more than 60 years, Father Leo Staples. He has been working very effectively there. He held a golf classic fund-raiser when he came home in recent months and he raised approximately €14,000. He made the point that the sum was equivalent to millions in his part of Kenya. I was trying to assist him to access small amounts of State funding. In fact he was unable to do so because it was administered centrally through the religious organisations. If such people, who carry out great work, put forward the right project is there any way they could access small amounts of funding which could have a significant impact?

My final point relates to trade. The report was light on trade. Is there a strategic master plan for developing trade with those countries? If not, could it be considered?

My experience of business is that one does not achieve anything unless one sets out a plan which has challenging targets and identifies actions to achieve them incrementally. If there is a plan what are the short and medium term targets? If there are none, can we introduce some type of measurable performance indicators that would indicate to us over the next number of years what progress we are making in that regard? Otherwise we will end up in a comfort zone of having aspirations to promote trade without having the discipline and pressure to push the programme forward.

I join with other speakers in welcoming the Minister of State and representatives of the various NGOs. We should be very proud of them and how they represent our country abroad. Unlike Deputy Lawlor, I am not concerned about the level of information we receive. As one who has done a fair bit of fund-raising over the years for various organisations I always keep a close eye on their annual reports to see how they are spending the funding they raise. They seem to be making a little go a long way.

I welcome the fact that despite the difficult economic situation in which we find ourselves we are still going to contribute €659 million, or 0.52% of GNP, in 2011. We have to appreciate how lucky we are to live in a working democracy, with all its flaws. The people of Somalia are deprived of the basic human right of food through conflict. I share some of the comments of my colleagues. It is an area in which we have a lot of expertise. I agree with Deputy Ó Fearghaíl that we should consider how we can contribute to easing some of the tensions in those countries.

I agree we have to put long term solutions in place. At a time when we will probably find it difficult to contribute 0.7% of GNP we should try to come up with some imaginative ways of coming up with cash. We live in a country which has a capacity to significantly increase its productivity and the production of food. We could consider a partnership with some poorer countries and our agricultural industry.

We are probably constrained by quotas but we have to find a way to help people living in the most deprived nations on Earth to have access to the most basic human right, that is, the right to food. I would like to see us explore, with the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, how we could forge meaningful links to make up for any shortcomings we might have in providing cash to provide help in kind.

We could lend our expertise in increasing agricultural productivity to countries where farmers are operating with very basic means of production. There is a lot we can do with some imagination and creativity.

I have to leave as I have to raise a topical issue in the Dáil. I may miss the response of the Minister of State. I will be back in ten minutes.

That is no problem. The Deputy's contributions are always very welcome.

I welcome the Minister of State. I agree with Deputy Lawlor on the breakdown of money given to NGOs from Irish taxpayers. It is important they have clarity on who gets what and what they are doing with it. I am sure they provide reports to the Department but it is important they are scrutinised.

We signed up to the millennium development goals in 2000. I note from the report we do not benchmark ourselves against them. By 2015 in Uganda we will reach the target of universal primary education. We concentrate on HIV and AIDS prevention, as well as education, in Zambia and work with the Dutch on the education front.

In order to get an accurate picture of how effective we are being for our benefit and public consumption it is important that annual reports outline what millennium development goals are achieving in each country and what we are concentrating on in, for example, Zambia or Uganda. It would be helpful for NGOs to outline what has happened with universal primary education in Uganda in 2010 and 2011 and what they hope will be achieved by the millennium development goals in 2015.

It is not clear from the report what targets have been achieved. We will reach some of them but we should make it clear to the Irish public that we are not involved in all of the millennium development goals in Zambia, rather we are involved in two. We should tell the public that we have reached certain targets since we signed up in 2000. Significant progress in universal primary education has been achieved in Lesotho as a result of Irish Aid but the information on it is not clear.

We need to make clear to the public what we are involved in and whether we will meet our targets by 2015. It would be of huge assistance not just to the committee but also everybody else. The budget is our biggest problem. NGOs need to be accountable to Irish taxpayers. It should be clear from the report what they are getting and what they are doing with it.

There is food for thought for the Minister of State. I wanted to allow everyone to speak because if she responded after three questions others may not have been able to contribute to the debate. It is an important report and everybody needed to be included. It is to be hoped she can answer all the questions in the time available.

I thank the Chairman and will endeavour to answer all the questions. I thank members for a wide variety of questions. If I do not answer a question I ask them to tell me.

As the Chairman rightly said, trade with Africa only accounts for about 1% of Ireland's overall trade at the current time. Our total exports to Africa are in the region of €1 billion. We are starting from a low base. The McKinsey report, Lions on the Move, shows Africa is experiencing considerable growth. We expect, particularly as we have an Africa strategy in place, to be able to develop considerably the trade we have.

Our priority countries are, by definition, among the poorest countries in the world. I will be leading a trade mission to South Africa at the end of the year. It is perceived that through South Africa there are opportunities to develop trade links throughout the rest of Africa. There are many opportunities in telecommunications.

Many people attended a meeting this morning, at which it emerged that trade is currently very much in our favour. We are selling a lot more to Africa than it is selling to us. We want to make sure we offer opportunities in both directions and that there are two-way benefits. From Ireland's prospective, there are significant opportunities in Africa we need to develop.

I have had meetings with Enterprise Ireland which is significantly involved in the organisation of the trade mission to South Africa. We will be working on that. There is potential for two-way benefit in this and we want to make sure that is part of it.

Deputy Ó Fearghaíl raised very interesting questions on conflict resolution, social partnership, the Africa strategy and our engagement with African countries. I thank all members for their support for the development programme. Deputy Ó Fearghaíl began by expressing that support, as did many other members. It is important that we have that cross-party support.

There is a conflict resolution section in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Very positive work is being done in Sierra Leone, in particular. The Deputy is right when he says there is potential for Ireland to engage in that area. It is probably somewhat outside my area of responsibility, which is trade and development, but there is room for work there.

With regard to social partnership, we engage significantly with NGOs in developing countries. Senator Walsh also raised this issue. When I was in Malawi I had a breakfast meeting with representatives of farmers and other civil society groups. There is room for us to engage with our partner countries in those areas. It is something we can develop. It is a welcome area to raise.

Deputy Ó Fearghaíl also referred to the Africa strategy and the need to engage with African countries. Others raised this in the context of the White Paper. We will be doing that. The Africa strategy was drawn up in consultation with African ambassadors in Ireland and accredited to Ireland. A number of African ambassadors came to the launch of the strategy from abroad, particularly from the United Kingdom where they are based although they are accredited to Ireland. There is ongoing engagement in that regard. It is important that we continue with it. We will also be engaging with African countries with regard to the White Paper.

Deputy Mac Lochlainn raised the question of international targets and the per capita figures for the horn of Africa. We will get figures for other countries, in so far as we can. At a recent meeting of EU development Ministers I raised the importance of our EU partners providing the necessary funding to achieve international targets for overseas aid. I understand large amounts of international money have come for Somalia. However, there is need for further funding for neighbouring countries, such as Ethiopia and Kenya. We will continue to raise these issues on the international stage. There will be another meeting of EU development Ministers shortly. I will have an opportunity to raise this issue there.

The issue of the millennium development goals, MDG, and the Government's plans in that area were raised by several members. I will deal with that presently.

We are engaging with our EU counterparts on a strategy in advance of the forthcoming forum in Busan. We are also engaging with NGOs and with development Ministers in preparation for it. We are concerned about some particular areas. One is poverty reduction and development results. Another is transparency and accountability, which everyone in Busan will be concerned about. A third is progress in fragile and conflict-affected states. That is an area in which Ireland has a particular interest. We will want to ensure those areas are given significant focus in Busan. We will be working with partner countries and other European countries. We are part of the Like Minded Donors Group, which meets fairly regularly. It includes Britain and the Scandinavian countries. We will also be working with them. We will be engaging with the NGOs. We feel strongly that their voice should be heard in Busan.

Deputies Pádraig Mac Lochlainn and Maureen O'Sullivan raised the issue of human rights and the voice of NGOs, particularly in Malawi. Deputy O'Sullivan also mentioned Zimbabwe. Given that we have a strong presence in our programme countries we engage with their Government in areas such as human rights. We have the opportunity to talk to them directly and bring up these issues. We also support civil society organisations. We try to encourage a joined-up approach with our fellow EU member states in advocating for human rights issues and in issuing joint statements on behalf of the EU. The strong voice of EU countries speaking together is particularly important. We give financial support to civil society organisations in our programme countries and we also meet them on a regular basis. I had the opportunity to raise human rights issues when I visited Malawi. Given that we have such a strong presence in our programme countries, we have considerable influence in those countries in addressing these issues. Human rights issues are important to Ireland and we can have a real influence on them. It is important that we do so.

Deputy O'Sullivan also raised the issue of presenting Ireland's credentials in Zimbabwe. Our ambassador in Pretoria, Brendan McMahon, is ambassador designate to Zimbabwe. A number of months ago we requested an opportunity to present credentials in Zimbabwe. We are pressing the Government of Zimbabwe to provide an opportunity to present credentials, through our ambassador in South Africa, at the earliest possible moment. We are active in Zimbabwe despite the fact that we have not presented our credentials.

The Chinese issue, which was raised by Deputy O'Sullivan, is often raised in the context of Africa. We must support programme countries in particular, but also African countries in general, so that they get the best possible benefit for their people from whatever country they engage with. We cannot stop countries engaging with the Chinese if they want to. We must ensure that we do the work of strengthening their civil society organisations. We work, for example, at strengthening governance in a variety of areas in Africa. By giving African countries the power to ensure that they get what their people need from their engagement with other countries, we can influence that matter.

Deputy Dara Murphy referred to my meeting with charities and the importance of ensuring value for money and sustainability. I fully agree with him that we must ensure that we achieve value for money and sustainability. He asked about political agreement among charities. Dóchas is an umbrella body representing most NGOs. I have met almost all the charities - certainly the larger ones - that are engaged in development work. There is close and ongoing contact with NGOs regarding the funding they get from Irish Aid. We meet them regularly. They are required to report on exactly how the money is being spent. I am very satisfied that they are required to have the highest standards of auditing and accounting with regard to the moneys allocated. In reply to Deputy Lawlor's questions, the information is to be found on page 78, appendix 16 of the annual report. He asked how the Department accounts for its funding to NGOs. This is contained in the section of the report dealing with civil society in the main body of the report. The appendix on page 78 shows the allocations.

It is somewhat confusing because it does not indicate the working locations of the organisations. Part of the report identifies how €53 million is allocated to five specific non-governmental organisations. It might be better to have a chart showing how the money is allocated among the organisations.

That information can be provided to the Deputy and to the other members of the committee.

That would be good.

To respond to Deputy Murphy's point that it would be good if the NGOs all spoke with one voice, Dóchas represents the collective voice. By and large, there is very strong interaction between the NGOs. I have been very impressed by the way in which they constantly engage to ensure their work is having positive results in whatever location. However, one or two voices are not in agreement. To be honest, free speech is very valuable in this country. I have engaged on the airwaves and in other fora with people who disagree with our position but I would not for one minute want to stop people from expressing their views. Generally speaking, however, the NGOs which work out of Ireland have an excellent reputation internationally and wherever I go, I am told of the very good work they do. The NGOs co-operate to a great degree but they are individual and separate organisations and they have slightly different focus and emphasis as a result. I am confident we have very careful scrutiny of how the money is spent. I will provide the Deputy with documentation in that regard.

Deputy Eric Byrne raised the fact that responsibility for trade has been given to the Department. I concur with him that this is a positive policy. The world is changing very much. If we do not help people to be self-sustainable then we are not fulfilling our developmental work responsibility. We need to do the basic development work in the poorest of communities, dealing with hunger and helping to provide educational facilities for children. In parallel with this work we must ensure that communities can be sustainable and that they can sell their goods to other parts of the world. The Africa strategy has these goals and it links development, trade and politics together in order to benefit the African countries as well as ourselves.

The Deputy asked about a programme in the Philippines and I will get that information for him as I do not have it to hand. He also asked about our engaging with the African groups here and Africa Day and unofficial ambassadors from Ireland who are in many parts of the world. The Africa strategy is formalising these connections. I refer to the White Paper review which explains that we will be engaging directly with African communities in Ireland. I have been endeavouring to engage with them and I have met the New Communities Partnership etc.

Africa Day is a very positive event and it also takes place around the country, including Limerick and not just in Dublin. I agree this should not just be a once-off event. It is part of the Department's strategy to engage with African groups here in Ireland. The Africa strategy in particular offers ways to do so. I hope I have answered Deputy Lawlor's questions satisfactorily and we will supply further information.

Senator Jim Walsh raised the matter of an incremental increase in the level of funding. There has been a 30% decrease in recent years because of the financial situation. This is an actual as opposed to a percentage decrease. I cannot promise the Senator that there will be an increase this year or next year. However, I am fighting hard to ensure there will not be a decrease. It is the case that there will not be big increases in funding in the next year or two because of the difficulties in the economy. However, we must ensure the economy is developed so the country can get back its economic strength and we can increase our percentage funding in parallel.

I have answered the question about good governance to some extent. The Senator referred to a missionary's excellent work. I have seen examples of such work right across Africa. We work with an organisation called Misean Cara which is the umbrella body for missionary groups and Irish Aid funding is channelled through that body. Individual missionary projects can apply for Irish Aid funding which is channelled through this missionary organisation. An action master plan is included in the Africa strategy which includes training of diplomatic officers in our embassies to ensure they are focused on trade matters. We work with Enterprise Ireland and we are having further consultation with the embassies in order to ensure any trade opportunities are developed in Africa.

Has the Department decided on issuing challenging targets to increase trade? I mean a discipline which people can work with so those who are charged with meeting these targets will be called to account if they do not achieve certain targets. This will create its own dynamic for success.

We do not have specific percentage targets. The point was made at this morning's meeting that there are very different Africas. Some of the programme countries are coming from a very low base and the targets we set for them might be very low but they would make a significant difference in the lives of people. On the other hand, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt or north Africa, generally, are at a different level. We set very different targets for these countries. We have to focus on the base level of an individual country and decide how we can engage with it. I agree that it is a good idea to have targets-----

I think people in the public service resist those challenging measurements which are part of everyday life in the private sector. We should inject that attitude into the public sector and this would mean that people would be judged by how well they achieve these targets. This dynamic is missing from much of the public service administration. I am a strong proponent of injecting such a dynamic into the public service.

The development programme has consistent targets and these are described in the documentation. We do not have specific percentage charges in the Africa strategy but-----

Could we ask that this be done?

We can look at it, yes. I agree because the Africa strategy is an ongoing development strategy.

The Minister of State could come back to the committee in that regard.

Senator Walsh and Senator Mullins raised the issue of our expertise in the areas of agriculture and food production. I saw Irish potatoes growing in Malawi.

A number of experts are already working in our programme countries. These are people who have expertise in agriculture and other areas and who are part of the teams we have sent to those countries. The hunger task force forms the basis for a great deal of our work in respect of food. Experts on agriculture and nutrition and officials from the Department of Agriculture, Marine and Food are members of this task force.

The programme for Government contains an aspiration to the effect that more volunteers should be taken on. I should probably not use the word "aspiration" in this regard but rather I should state that the programme contains an intention. After all, programmes for Government are never just aspirational in nature. There is potential to encourage more experts to volunteer.

Senator Daly raised a very interesting question in respect of the millennium development goals and measuring how we make progress in respect of them. I frequently quote statistics in this regard. For example, Malawi used to import maize but now exports it. That country used to be extremely lacking in the context of self-sufficiency. There are also figures regarding the number of children attending school in various areas in which we operation and these allow us to measure progress. The Senator made a very good point in that we should indicate the progress we are making in respect of the millennium development goals in the different countries in which we operate. The difficulty is that Ireland is only one of a number of states which might be operating in a particular country. We would, therefore, probably be exaggerating our influence if we were to state that we were directly responsible for certain goals being achieved.

I accept that. However, as the date for achieving the goals comes closer, people are stating that we have failed. If we provided information on all the areas in the programme countries in which we are involved, it would allow us to show the level of progress that is being made. Information could also be provided on how our funding is specifically targeted. I accept that it is targeted in nine countries. However, within those countries it is further targeted at primary education, HIV and AIDS or whatever. We should highlight the areas at which we target the money we provide and indicate the effect it is having. For example, the level of primary school attendance in Lesotho has risen by 20% since Ireland has become involved there. We realise that we cannot do everything. We could also list the partner countries with which we are operating in particular regions. I am aware that we have come together with other European states in the context of promoting education in the programme countries and that the work carried out in this regard has been very successful. The report hints at this information but it does not provide specifics or indicate the fact that we are making huge strides.

Is that not more or less outlined in the information provided in the report in respect of each of the individual programme countries?

Snippets of information are provided.

And results are provided.

I am specifically referring to the millennium development goals. If one considers the "National Level Results Supported by Irish Aid" in respect of Lesotho, for example, it is not clear how we are doing in respect of the millennium development goals relating to that country. Neither do these results indicate the countries with which we are partnered.

Results are provided for each individual country.

Each individual country presents its results in respect of the millennium development goals. However, I take the Senator's point that clearer information could be included in the annual report.

I am interested in seeing the level of our involvement in respect of the millennium development goals.

That is fair enough.

We are playing a huge role in that regard.

From time to time I provide information to the effect that there are so many extra children at school in Zambia, that so many people in another country have been inoculated against certain diseases and that there has been a reduction in the number of children dying before the age of five elsewhere. We have those statistics available to us and I take the Senator's point that they should be listed more clearly in the annual report.

I do not know whether I have answered all the questions put to me. I hope I have provided replies in respect of most of them. If I missed out on anything, perhaps the committee will contact me in order that I might provide the information requested.

The Minister of State has done a good job in answering members' questions.

I again apologise to the Minister of State for the fact that I was obliged to leave the meeting earlier. I will obtain a copy of the transcript of proceedings. I would not be so bold as to ask her to reply again to the questions I posed.

I hope I answered all the Deputy's questions.

I thank the Minister of State.

I thank the Minister of State and her officials for attending. As stated earlier, her presentation was very informative and the replies she gave were comprehensive. I am sure members will be quite satisfied with regard to the information provided. It is clear that this is an important time for Irish Aid in the context of setting priorities and putting in place strategies for the coming years. As Chairman, I wish to make clear that the committee is willing to assist Irish Aid in its work at every level.

I thank the Minister of State for the invitation to members to visit one of Irish Aid's programme countries in the coming months. I understand that Ethiopia has been identified as one of the countries we should visit. I am sure we will see, at first hand, the valuable work done by Irish Aid in Ethiopia, parts of which are on the verge of famine at present. It is important for members to understand how aid from this country is delivered. During my recent visit to Vietnam with the adviser to the committee, Ms Emer Deane, I had the opportunity to visit a number of projects there which are supported by Irish Aid. I was hugely impressed by the level of co-operation that exists, the work that is done and the way in which money is spent. The Irish embassy in that country, through the ambassador, His Excellency, Mr. Damien Cole, and his predecessor, does great work. Mr. Cole is young and energetic and in his role as ambassador he has a valuable role to play in helping Irish Aid fulfil its brief in Vietnam. During my visit, I also witnessed the work done by the staff of local authorities in Vietnam and that of representatives of the Irish NGOs which operate there.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.35 p.m. and adjourned at 5 p.m. until 6.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 5 October 2011.
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