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Joint Committee on Transport and Communications díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 13 Feb 2013

EU Proposals on Roadworthiness Testing: Discussion with Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport

The purpose of the meeting is to meet officials from the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport to discuss the roadworthiness package, COM (2012) 380 and COM (2012) 380. On behalf of the committee, I welcome Mr. Maurice Treacy and Mr. Kieran Baker from the Department. By virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence you are to give this committee. If you are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence in relation to a particular matter and you continue to so do, you are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of your evidence. You are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and you are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, you should not criticise nor make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. I advise the officials that the opening statements they have submitted will be published on the committee's website after this meeting.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I invite Mr. Treacy to make his opening statement.

Mr. Maurice Treacy

I thank the Chairman. I will go through the main points of the submission. In July 2012, the European Commission published a package of three legislative proposals on roadworthiness testing for motor vehicles. The package consisted of three elements: a proposal for a regulation on periodic roadworthiness tests of private and commercial vehicles; a proposal for a regulation on technical roadside inspections of commercial vehicles; and a proposal for a directive on registration documents for vehicles. The Commission asserted that technical defects contributed heavily to accidents and were responsible for 6% of all car accidents, translating into 2,000 fatalities and many more injuries annually. It claimed that 8% of all motorcycle accidents are linked to technical defects. It also pointed to recent studies from the UK and Germany that suggest up to 10% of cars at any point in time have a defect that would cause them to fail tests. Many technical defects with serious implications for safety, such as ABS and electronic stability control, are not checked under current rules. It indicated that the new proposals were aimed at helping to save more than 1,200 lives a year and helping to avoid more than 36,000 collisions linked to technical failure. I emphasise that the foregoing represents the views of the Commission and is not necessarily shared by member states.

I will briefly run through the proposals contained in each of the three elements of the package. The key points of the Commission’s proposal on periodic roadworthiness testing were as follows: compulsory testing of scooters, motorbikes, tractors and trailers; increasing the frequency of periodic roadworthiness tests for older vehicles; increasing the frequency of tests for cars and vans with exceptionally high mileage; improving the quality of vehicle tests by setting common minimum standards for deficiencies, equipment and inspections; making electronic safety components subject to mandatory testing; and clamping down on mileage fraud, with registered mileage readings. Consideration of the periodic testing proposal commenced at a Council working group in September 2012 and continued with a series of meetings up to mid-December 2012. Although all member states shared the general safety objectives and aspirations on which the Commission had based its reasoning, there was unease among member states with regard to many parts of the proposals in their original form.

The proposals in which Ireland had a particular interest were the introduction of annual road worthiness testing of cars after six years. Ireland currently requires annual testing after ten years, which was introduced in June 2011. Other proposals in which Ireland had a particular interest were: annual roadworthiness testing of tractors; the introduction of roadworthiness testing for motorcycles; use of roadworthiness testing to detect odometer fraud; and an obligation to accept proof of test issued by other member states.

Following protracted discussions, a compromise text was proposed by the Cypriot Presidency and it achieved a general approach at the December 2012 Council of Ministers meeting. The Minister indicated at the Council that he did not favour excessive frequency for testing of cars nor did he favour the testing of agricultural vehicles used solely for agricultural and horticultural purposes.

The main amendments to the original Commission proposals were that the legal form has now changed from a regulation to a directive. A regulation is like an Act in that it is automatically binding, has direct influence and leaves no room for interpretation. A directive is a looser form of legislation, containing agreed policy provisions and the basis of its implementation is decided by each member state. A directive must be transposed into national legislation before it is given effect. The other amendments to the original Commission proposal were as follows: mandatory annual car testing has been deleted; mandatory testing of motorcycles and motorised tricycles has been removed; member states will have discretion as to whether tractors used solely for agriculture, horticulture, forestry, fishery or farming will be tested; and smaller trailers - those weighing less than 3.5 tonnes - have been excluded from the scope of the directive.

Notwithstanding the Council’s acceptance of the compromise text, the European Commission expressed dissatisfaction with significant elements of the Council’s changes and has entered formal reservations on the legal form, the deletion of any category of vehicle, the deletion of small trailers and changes to test frequencies. During its Presidency, Ireland does not propose to progress further with this file but will move on to the remaining elements of the package. The proposal is to wait until all three elements of the package are in an agreed form and then all three will be progressed as a package.

The committee signalled particular interest in the area of the testing of tractors and motorbikes. The current text provides that member states may exempt vehicles used solely for agricultural, horticultural, forestry, fishery or farming purposes and operating in the territory of the member states.

References to the mandatory testing of motorbikes has been deleted from the compromised text. The present proposals exclude the mandatory testing of agricultural tractors and motorcycles.

The main element of the Commission's proposals in relation to roadside inspection of commercial vehicles include: the selection of vehicles should be based on the risk profile of the operators and should target high risk undertakings to reduce the administrative burden on those operators who maintain their vehicles in a proper way; the risk profiling will be based on the results of previous roadworthiness testing and roadside inspections; the extension of roadside inspections to light commercial vehicles and their trailers linking the number of technical roadside inspections per year to the number of registered commercial vehicles in order to provide for a more equal distribution of roadside checks among the member states; and the inclusion of security of cargo in roadside checks. Inadequate cargo securing is considered as a factor related to up to 25% of accidents involving trucks.

Depending on the range of vehicles to be included in the scope of the regulation this could have a significant effect on the current workload of the Road Safety Authority. Currently the RSA carries out about 5,000 roadside inspections annually. The proposed regulation would require 5% of the national fleet to be inspected annually and if light goods vehicles are to be brought within the scope of the regulation, that implies 20,000 vehicle inspections annually and would entail a fourfold increase in current activities. Initial discussions on this proposal opened last Monday and the objective is to secure a general approach at the June Transport Council.

The proposal in relation to a directive on registration documents of vehicles aims at improving the enforcement of roadworthiness testing and roadside inspection regimes through measures such as temporary withdrawal or permanent cancellation of the vehicle's registration. Again it is aimed at cases in which the technical conditions of a vehicle create an imminent risk to road safety. The objective of the Irish Presidency in relation to this element is to achieve a general approach. It is not expected that Ireland will engage in negotiations with the European Parliament on the roadworthiness package during its Presidency, given the planned timing of the agreement on the remaining two files in the Council. However, it is expected that Lithuania, the country that will take up the next term of the Presidency, will take up this issue during its Presidency.

I understand the transport committee of the European Parliament held a general exchange of views with the Commission and other interested parties on the 22 January and they are expected to return to this topic in the near future.

Let me emphasise that all of these proposals are at a relatively early stage. While significant amendments have been made to the original roadworthiness testing proposals during the passage through Parliament, the entire matter remains to be agreed with the European Parliament and the final shape of the proposals have yet to emerge.

We welcome the committee's views on the proposals. Let me repeat that consideration of the proposals is at an early stage and the views of members will be taken into account in determining Ireland's position.

What is the timeframe for implementation of the proposals as currently constituted? For absolute clarity, is Mr. Treacy stating that the proposed text will ensure that agricultural vehicles will be exempt from these proposed regulations? Many sectors of society are being overburdened by regulation and by different directives, while one can appreciate the health and safety concerns, one wonders if there will be another layer of regulation?

I think the question on everybody's lips is whether tractors come under these provisions. There is a major issue with the uncertainty that surrounds it. I would appreciate if Mr. Treacy clarifies the position in regard to tractors.

Mr. Maurice Treacy

Let me explain the timeframe around what happens with proposals in the European Union and that will answer the first part of Deputy Moynihan's question.

We had a Commission proposal in July last year and the first part of it has been discussed by the 27 member states at a working group in the past few months. The general approach element went to the Ministers' Council at the end of December 2012. That element of the proposal is now parked for the time being. The European Parliament will start in exactly the same position as the Council working group did, in other words it starts with the Commission proposals which were for the regulation that includes motorbikes and tractors. The European Parliament starts its discussion on that now. When the European Parliament gets to the same stage, the transport committee of the European Parliament will discuss exactly the same issues that the Council working group has discussed over the past three or four months.

When the European Parliament transport committee has reached a proposal on it, the matter goes to the European Parliament plenary session and they will take a similar position or their own position as the Council of Ministers would have taken last December. When that element of it is finished, the three parties then come together, the Commission, the Council and the Parliament, and they discuss the proposals at that stage. It is out of the proceedings at that stage that a final proposal comes that then must go back to the Transport Council of Ministers and then returns to the plenary session of the European Parliament. That is a long way of saying this will take time.

The Commission's proposal included tractors for roadworthiness purposes. A number of member states had difficulties about that and under the present wording, member states may exclude tractors that are used solely for agricultural work from the directive, if they so wish. The discretion rests with each member state. Let me emphasise that is the document, as it is now, and as it has been signed off by the meeting of the Transport Council of Ministers.

I welcome the Department's position on tractors, scooters and the other aspects we have discussed.

Mr. Treacy mentioned that tractors must be used solely for agriculture, forestry, horticulture and fisheries. I presume that will apply when two such activities are combined, for example, the tractors might be used for agriculture and horticulture.

Second, I presume that the regulation would not adversely affect the competitiveness of this country versus other member states in terms of agri-horticulture or even commercial vehicles on the road, that we will not over egg the pudding in terms of roadside and annual testing. I hope we will not make Ireland less competitive than other EU states in this regard. I am concerned that we could spawn a new industry. We already have the NCT testing, but it would be onerous for commercial users to undergo further testing. Are we building a new industry based on testing, which will be expensive and could make our industry uncompetitive?

In regard to odometer fraud, could we incorporate a mileage reading when a vehicle is taxed, be it every three months, six months or 12 months and record the mileage on the motor tax application form? The odometer readings could be made available publicly to the consumers. It would be very simple to fill in a box that requested the mileage in a motor tax form, whether it be online or a paper form and give the figure when paying the motor tax. The information could be recorded on a database.

If the witnesses are agreeable, I propose we take questions from more members.

I thank the witnesses for the presentation.

Are we saying that the majority of countries are against the testing of agricultural vehicles and motorbikes? I am trying to find out if these tractors, etc., are on lands and are used solely for that purpose. Is there a law stating that if they are used on private roads it constitutes something else? If one moved one's tractor onto a highway, would that change its status in some way? As a farmer may have to get a tractor from one place to another, I am trying to get my head around that.

In regard to motorbikes, there appears to be no regulation. I have serious questions about motorbikes in general. There should be some mechanism to enable them to be checked, whether spot checks or otherwise. More regulations may need to be laid down. Where are the standards, and how can we assess them? I do not agree with the idea of registering mileage and using mileage as a means. We have a standard test. The mileage could be recorded on the certificates but I would not agree with its being used as a gauge in the way people are advocating.

On the issue of testing of vehicles in general, are we moving towards a European standard? We have our own regulations whereby, after a certain period, there is an annual check. Is every country adopting a particular standard under which, for example, if a vehicle is ten years old there is an annual check? In the case of taxis, the regulation has changed so that ten-year-old vehicles will have six-monthly checks. There is a need to be more in line with other countries, as opposed to adopting our own standards.

While I acknowledge the contribution from the witnesses, I have enormous reservations, unlike the two previous speakers, because the experience of people in rural areas, especially in the farming sector, in respect of EU regulations is often not a happy one. I note from the submissions made by people who responded to the committee's initial soundings that there is concern as to how the regulation would be implemented in respect of agricultural vehicles. It is important to note that in general the farming sector does not go out of its way to have an unsafe lifestyle because it is in its interest to be safe. If farmers cannot get up in the morning and feed the cattle or milk the cows they are at a disadvantage. Therefore, it is not in their interest to work in an unsafe environment or to behave in an unsafe way. It is in their interest to behave as safely as they can and, in general, they do. The experiences they have recounted to us in recent weeks concerning car testing regulations were not positive. I am not sure whether it is still the case that a car will fail the NCT if it does not have the name of the county displayed in Irish on the number plate. I cannot say whether that has anything to do with safety issues. How a car could possibly fail a national car test by virtue of the fact that "Luimneach" was not on the number plate is difficult to comprehend. That is where people are coming from. As Deputy Noel Harrington said, there is a temptation, especially in Ireland, to overemphasise something that is, at the end of the day, in everybody's interest. The experience of the farming organisations is that there is a temptation in Ireland to go to the nth degree in imposing a regulation, whereas in some of our Mediterranean sister countries they take a more laid-back approach, as we have seen in the financial sphere as much as in the regulation sphere. I am glad to hear the regulation is a long way down the road but I urge the State to seek an exemption for agricultural vehicles because the farming community has already been bamboozled with EU regulations. In fairness, the last thing they need is to be labelled as behaving in an unsafe manner when we know, as people who are out in the community every day, that it is in their interests, as they will admit, to behave in as safe a way as possible.

I also welcome the witnesses from the National Roads Authority. I agree with previous speakers in regard to the testing of tractors. Already there is an obligation on farmers in respect of agricultural vehicles under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 2005. It places a legal duty on all farmers and their employees to prepare and work to a safety statement. The current proposal will duplicate the requirement that all agricultural vehicles fulfil the roadworthiness obligations, impose an exorbitant and unnecessary cost and reduce the competitiveness of farmers in the current climate. In reality they are struggling to keep their farms viable and to remain solvent.

Perhaps it was the construction boom that prompted the proposal for Ireland, but that is long gone. At that time a certain number of agricultural vehicles were engaged in that sector.

While a member is speaking, it is very unfair to make noise because it is heard all over the place. I ask members to refrain from conversation.

There is no participation by any agricultural vehicles in the building trade at present, as the boom is over. That is another factor that should be taken into account.

Another matter concerns roadworthiness testing for cars over three years. There is a certain sector of society, for whom I take the criteria to be qualification for a medical card, in which there is an easing of means testing for those over 70 years of age. A large number of people in remote rural areas live alone and are dependent on their cars. Such testing is unfair and imposes an unnecessary tariff on those people. They do not have the money to pay for a test on an annual basis. The test should be every second year for those people or, alternatively, they should be given an exemption. What we are talking about is the annual cost. Many of these people live alone and have to make their own arrangements for transport. There is a social need to commute to the local village or town to carry out their weekly chores. We need to revisit that issue and make allowances or establish waivers for that sector.

I apologise for not being present for the presentation. I thank the guests for appearing before the committee.

For the Deputy's information, the witnesses are from the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport.

I thank the Chairman. I am delighted to engage with them and acknowledge the strides they have made in regard to health and safety in general. The Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 2005 is already the law. This is an area in which we must tread carefully. I note from the document that derogations have been sought and agreed to.

The problem I have with that is that the law only stands for so long and then these derogations are slipped in or whatever. To follow on from what Deputy Fleming and others said, the agriculture sector in particular has been swamped with regulation. Recently, thanks to Ireland, people found out about the abuse going on outside the farm gate, in the context of horsemeat. We are regulated up to the eyeballs.

There is a huge debate taking place currently with regard to the shortage of gardaí. The figures I had two years ago indicated there was one agricultural inspector for every 40 farmers, but there is just one garda for every 400 people. That situation is worse now. I am not saying I am against inspection. I am all for health and safety. On behalf of the Agricultural Contractors of Ireland, of which I am a member, I want to acknowledge the engagement by Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport officials and health and safety officials who help and come to meetings to talk things through rather than carry on with a them and us or big brother attitude. It is important we engage and try to have a reasonable approach to safety.

I want clarification on the issue of tractors with a 40 kg box. Is it tractors above or below that which will be inspected? With regard to the reduction in the number of years before a car must go for its NCT, we all know, particularly elderly people, that we must have our vehicles taxed and ensured and I support that fully. However, vehicles should not be failed for simple defects. I agree they should fail for major failure of components such as the chassis, steering, brakes and so, but in different counties vehicles fail for simple or silly things, such as rubbers on doors and number plates. There seems to be no uniform across the board checking of these things. We do not need more regulation.

Is there more regulation? Is that the Deputy's question?

I accept this document, but we have got some derogations and I am seeking clarification on those. I have asked my question about the 40 kg box, but I am making the point that we have enough regulation and do not need more. I am all for health and safety. Agricultural contractors and farmers need engagement with the Health and Safety Authority and the Road Safety Authority, but we do not need more regulation because the majority of agricultural contractors never drive on the roads. We do not need a sledge-hammer to crack a chestnut.

I apologise for having to leave before the presentation to go to the Chamber. I welcome Mr. Treacy, Mr. Baker and the others here. There is nobody in the country who was not heartbroken last week hearing of a beautiful young boy being killed in a farm accident. Therefore, there is no way I would not compliment the officials here and those who work with them on their efforts in striving to reduce accidents, be they on our farms or on our roads. However, we must have balance and common sense.

When I see what was in this proposal initially regarding an annual tractor check, I see it as making no sense. That would have put a serious financial burden on farmers who are already struggling. We appreciate that farmers themselves will ensure their tractors are safe, with cabs, brakes and lights if being used at night. However, being practical, the witnesses know that some farmers have tractors without lights, but these might never need a light because they never go on a road or leave the farm. It might only be used inside the yard. If such tractors had to go for an annual or even a five-year test, it would break the farmer trying to get it right for the road. Common sense must apply and the same must apply with regard to testing trailers.

I am 100% in favour of ensuring that a person engaged in agricultural contracting or any type of hire for reward would be 100% compliant with every safety regulation, because that person is on the road and working on a commercial basis. However, we cannot compare that person to a man operating inside his own place and yard. We do not want the rules for one imposed on the other.

What is Deputy Healy-Rae's question?

Like Deputy McGrath, I am concerned about the derogations we have got. How sure can we be that unbearable, unsustainable financial burdens will not be put on farmers or people with cars by reducing the testing from ten years to six years? We must safeguard these people from financial ruin as a result of trying to comply with unnecessary regulations that are not applicable to them.

Will this be done by way of regulation or directive?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

I will make a few comments. Overall, the whole package here is about road safety. Therefore, anything that comes back to that is important. I will try to answer the questions that have arisen, but will do so in no particular order.

On the position with regard to tractors or agricultural vehicles used on roads, the original Commission document included such tractors for roadworthiness testing on an annual basis. Our position, and that of a number of member states, has been that we are not in favour of that. We are not in favour of such testing for tractors that are used solely for agricultural or horticultural work. We will continue to argue that position.

Therefore, there is an important distinction.

Mr. Maurice Treacy

There is a distinction. The proposal that came from the Commission was a regulation. Since the discussion at Council, the proposal now is that it become a directive. To clarify, this process must go through the European Parliament again and we suspect it will have the same debate as happened during the Council meeting. I cannot say at this stage whether, when it comes for decision, it will be decided to make it a regulation or directive. I suspect the Council and Irish point of view would be that it should be a directive.

The issue of the periodic testing of vehicles arose. The current position with regard to car tests is that a car is first tested after four years and then every following two years until it is ten years old. At that stage, it is tested annually. That decision and policy was taken following significant work by the RSA in previous years. The suggestion was that older cars, those over ten years, are involved in more accidents than cars that are under that age and that technical defects have been a contributory factor. We have taken the view, therefore, that cars over ten years of age need to be tested annually. The proposal in the regulation that came from the Commission was that annual testing should start after six years. Most member states did not agree with that. From the point of view of the Council, as drafted currently, the decision is left to the discretion of each member state. If the proposal goes through as a directive with the current wording, we will stick to the ten years before requiring an annual test.

Deputy Ellis asked about motorbikes. We do not have the equivalent of an NCT for motorbikes currently, because the case has not been proven that there is a requirement for them. The RSA is doing some work on this and has started a consultation process. If, following the consultation process, there is evidence that technical faults in motorbikes are causing fatalities or serious injuries on the road, we will take that on board and re-examine the situation. There is no disagreement in principle to introducing a test for motorbikes, but the case has not been proven.

Is there any such test elsewhere in Europe?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

Of the 27 member states, 15 of them have motorbike tests.

Does that mean the case has not been proved?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

Obviously, we need a reason to introduce a policy.

From whom do you need a case?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

The RSA is doing a study at the moment. What tends to happen is that the RSA carries out a study and it comes up with conclusions based on the study. It carries out consultation processes and on that basis makes recommendations to the Department and the Minister. If the Minister is satisfied with those recommendations then it becomes the policy of the Department.

Deputy Harrington made a point about odometer testing. At the moment when NCT tests are being carried out the mileage of the vehicle is registered. As the legislation stands, it is not a road traffic offence to interfere with the mileage on a car. However, it is a consumer offence if a person tries to sell such a car and he has doctored the mileage. That is a consumer issue. The proposal in the Commission text is that the odometer issue would become an element of NCT testing and that it would then become a sanction. This causes us a little difficulty because all the checks in the test at the moment are observation tests to ensure the vehicle is safe. We maintain that the odometer element is on the margins of whether it is a safety issue.

Given that it is a consumer issue I suggest it should be included not so much on the NCT side or the safety side but on the motor taxation declaration. If a consumer decides that it is in his interests to include it, knowing full well that he or she will get the benefit down the line when subsequently purchasing another vehicle then it would serve to copper-fasten the consumer angle. That is the reason I suggested it should be consumer led. By putting it through on the motor tax side it would become an official declaration or notification to the State which could be accessed by consumers for further information purposes. That was the context of my suggestion and I believe it would make sense. A little extra bureaucracy would protect the consumer.

Mr. Maurice Treacy

We will take that back and have it examined.

Is Mr. Treacy stating that the person who turns back a mileage meter on a car is not committing an offence, but the person selling the car knowingly is? Is that what Mr. Treacy said?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

That is in the legislation at the moment. If I wish to doctor the mileage on my car it is not an offence to do so. However, if I sell the car to Deputy Healy-Rae, for example, with doctored mileage then I am committing an offence by doing so.

Is that not a crazy situation? It is a specialist job to do that with digital mileage meters. Is it the case that the people who engage in that are not committing an offence?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

It is only if a person wants to sell that car.

Is everyone happy? The RSA will appear before the committee next. That is why I am putting on some pressure.

I wish to comment a little more on motorbikes. Is it the practice that a certain motorbike engine cc is road tested? In European countries there are scooters that can do 15 mph but I cannot imagine their having to be road tested. Is that the practice in other European countries?

Mr. Maurice Treacy

It varies throughout different states. For example, in Italy scooters are not tested but heavier motorbikes are.

I thank Mr. Treacy and Mr. Baker for their informative contributions. I have no doubt members found it interesting. Thank you again for being with us.

Sitting suspended at 11.45 a.m. and resumed 11.50 a.m.

I do not need to read the privilege statement. Mr. Noel Brett has heard it more often than many others. On behalf of the committee I welcome Mr. Noel Brett of the Road Safety Authority as well as Mr. Martin O’Halloran and Mr. Brian Higgins of the Health and Safety Authority. I have already read into the minutes the details with regard to the Defamation Act and I will take it as read. I invite the delegations to make their opening statements.

Mr. Noel Brett

I thank the Chairman and the committee for the invitation to appear today. Last week I submitted a detailed submission setting out the position of the Road Safety Authority. I am conscious that my colleagues in the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport have taken the committee through the initial proposals, where they stand and the differences between regulations and directives and I will not do that.

Do not go through it. Give us a brief overview and then we will have questions and answers.

Mr. Noel Brett

For brevity I will take it that the submission is read and I will not go through it.

It is on the website as well.

Mr. Noel Brett

I will outline the Road Safety Authority's position. Ireland has been given good legislation from this House during the past decade. We have performed well in terms of roadworthiness compliance and testing and we have a good system in place. The RSA was concerned about some issues in the initial proposals. The first related to annual testing for private cars. There is a strong case for testing cars over ten years of age. There is a safety case, an economic case and an environmental case. I simply cannot stack up a case to argue for testing annually of cars of six, seven, eight or nine years of age. I am pleased that the Commission has now dropped that proposal as obligatory. The financial burden on motorists in the country would have been unacceptable for a poor return. As a result of degradation and salt damage to brakes, pipes and chassis parts in cars over ten years old, one can make the case, but in Ireland I cannot make the case for testing cars between six and ten years and therefore I am pleased that the status quo will remain for Ireland.

I listened to some of the discussion on motorcycle testing with Deputy Ellis earlier. The jury is out on this issue in Ireland. We have a small number of motorcyclists here. We do not have the type of scooters found in Belgium or on the Continent. Of the fatalities that occur, virtually half are caused by another motorist. Typically they look but fail to see the motorcyclist. I am not finding in collision investigations that it is component degradation or metal fatigue or failure. At this point I cannot stack up an economic argument for motorcycle testing. We have a good motorcycle fraternity and there are good service workshops in the country. We need a little more education for motorcyclists and other road users and we need to use the existing road traffic legislation. An Garda Síochána can enforce the law in the case of a defective motorcycle at the roadside. I do not believe we need the economic burden or the burden on the taxpayer at this stage of formal motorcycle testing. Notwithstanding the fact that other European countries have it - Maurice Treacy noted that 15 countries have it - they have a rather different profile of weather and motorcycle use and a different way of living.

I do not believe there is a case at this point for testing small private trailers. I am referring to small two-wheel trailers that a small farmer or private citizen might have. There is adequate provision in road traffic legislation to enforce the condition rules, lighting rules and marking rules and that is fair enough.

There has been some discussion about agricultural tractors. The position of the Road Safety Authority is that for a typical agricultural tractor there is adequate road traffic legislation to deal with lighting, tyres, brakes and such things. I do not believe the State should invest in test centres for testing small agricultural tractors. I do not believe we should put that burden on citizens. There is adequate road traffic provision and policing available to deal with that. I fully support the position that vehicles predominately used in agriculture, forestry and fisheries should be exempt and should be dealt with as part of routine road traffic policing.

More generally with agricultural vehicles, for example, the larger tractors that are used in quasi-haulage at higher speeds and might even be used on motorways, we must have a way of ensuring that they are safe if they are carrying heavier loads at higher speeds. I would rather see more information from the Commission in terms of the evidence for testing of those vehicles and what is tested.

A big JCB fast-track or a big John Deere is a completely different type of vehicle which behaves differently and may not be suitable to be tested in a test centre that tests trucks and coaches. Much more information is needed before a decision can be made. From the point of view of the Road Safety Authority I wish to make it clear that with regard to the typical small agricultural tractor such as a John Deere, Case, David Brown or Massey Ferguson, we do not believe there is anything to be gained by testing any of those. However, we are very concerned about vehicles which are capable of higher speeds, carrying greater weights, travelling frequently on higher speed roads and mixing with public traffic.

The mileage issue is a matter for the National Consumer Agency. There are two issues of concern. A person who buys a vehicle with clocked mileage thinks the vehicle is much younger. This is a value for money issue. The other issue is that if the buyer thinks the mileage is true he or she may not replace the components such as the timing belt and may incur subsequent costs or issues. I am particularly concerned about vehicles imported from the UK and overseas which have been clocked. The National Consumer Agency has been very active in taking a number of cases. We support the policy of dealing with this as a consumer issue rather than as an NCT issue. However, the NCT test captures the mileage for every vehicle. There has been some discussion with the Data Protection Commissioner to ensure that future purchasers might be able to access that information to have information on the mileage history of the vehicle. That is a summary of the situation but Ireland has done well. We want to see much more evidence.

I thank Mr. Brett and I appreciate his brevity. I call Mr. Martin O'Halloran who is chief executive officer of the Health and Safety Authority.

Mr. Martin O'Halloran

I thank the Chairman for the invitation to address the committee. The remit of the Health and Safety Authority is set out in the Health, Safety and Welfare at Work Act 2005 and the Chemicals Act. For the purpose of this discussion, the primary legislation is the 2005 Act. We regard vehicles as constituting a place of work in many cases. We work collaboratively with the Road Safety Authority and with the Garda Síochána. Vehicles used in a workplace constitute a place of work and also constitute machinery or equipment that can be used. In that case we seek that they would be used and maintained so that they do not present a risk to people at work.

The focus this morning has been largely on agricultural vehicles such as tractors. Agriculture represents approximately 6% of the national workforce but it accounts for 47% of annual workplace fatalities. The likelihood of being killed in a workplace accident is infinitely higher in the agriculture sector than in any other sector. Even among the traditional high risk sectors such as fishing, mines, quarries, construction, agriculture is now the leading sector for workplace accidents.

It is important to consider the causation of accidents. The HSA notes that of the 22 accidents in the agriculture sector last year which resulted in fatalities, four related to tractors. Over the past ten years, 39 people have been killed in agricultural tractor incidents - about four people a year are killed. For example, people are being struck or run over by tractors; crushed under tractors and tractors overturning; crushed between a tractor and an unattached stationary object; crushed between a tractor and trailer. We do not have the evidence to indicate whether this is definitively related to the maintenance of the tractor. We are concerned that some maintenance issues have arisen. Equally we note that deaths due to vehicles in agriculture - it could be any other vehicles over the past ten years - total 54 while deaths due to machinery is 35.

The Health and Safety Authority carries out approximately 3,000 farm safety visits every year. The HSA inspectors examine the machinery and discuss the situation with the farmer. Probably the single most common cause of accidents with machinery used in agriculture is defective coupling, where trailers or other items of equipment are attached to the tractor. It is when the machinery is being coupled onto the three-point linkage or detached from it that a large number of very serious accidents occur.

The HSA has a work-related vehicle safety programme which is cross-sectoral. We carry out a farm safety partnership programme which runs over a number of year. We work collaboratively with all the other agencies and stakeholders involved in agriculture, the farming media, Teagasc, the farming contractors association, the veterinary union. We work with any sector which has a reason to visit a farm.

This is a brief overview of our work. I will deal with other issues if they arise in questions. I believe the submission will be published.

I thank the witnesses for their presentations. It seems that there is no change and that Ireland is in agreement with many other countries on this issue. I want to ask about the tractor-related deaths which are the most frequently reported. I know the farming community is under pressure and I do not agree that testing is required. Can a vehicle be inspected or tested if it is on private land or must this be done only when the vehicle is on a public roadway? I worry that self-regulation is always a bad thing in any industry.

Mr. Martin O'Halloran

The Health and Safety Authority and its inspectors have powers to inspect any place of work. A private farm constitutes a place of work. The HSA carries out about 3,000 farming visits each year. The general approach adopted is to actively encourage the farmer to take appropriate corrective action. Situations occasionally arise where the inspectors will employ the enforcement instruments in the legislation if there is a lack of co-operation. These are improvement or prohibition notices. A prohibition notice would typically be used for an unguarded PTO which is known to be a serial and habitual cause of fatalities and amputation. These are some of the most brutal incidents. An inspector will go onto private land. He or she is empowered to examine the level of maintenance of a vehicle to ensure it is safe and appropriate for use.

Is there a follow-up procedure following an inspection?

Mr. Noel Brett

To add to what Mr. O'Halloran said, the Road Safety Authority has no powers as to what happens on private property and agricultural vehicles on private property. It becomes the business of road traffic legislation when the vehicle is on the public road when it is subject to policing like every other vehicle. In the period 2004 to 2011, there have been 37 fatalities on public roads involving tractors and 62 serious, life-altering injuries. It is important to differentiate between a person using a little Massey Ferguson 135 almost as a car compared with someone using a heavier more commercial tractor in a commercial operation. Once on the public road, every vehicle is subject to road traffic legislation.

That is the way that is policed. It can be inspected in the same way as one's car can be.

I will take questions. Four members have indicated they wish to speak and the first speaker is Deputy Harrington.

I welcome the presentations by the witnesses. The Road Safety Authority and the Health and Safety Authority unfortunately are probably much aligned in public commentary in that we often hear that they are overdoing it, killing off activities or that the cost involved is too much, but the facts speak for themselves in terms of road safety and the number of fatalities on our roads are reducing. It is refreshing to know that it does not come down to arbitrary policies where people decide to do something and that they do it for a reason. It is a refreshing testimony that if there is a reason the Road Safety Authority or the Health and Safety Authority is involved, it is a genuine one and is not something somebody dreamt in a back office. It is refreshing there is a reason for it.

With regard to the Health and Safety Authority in terms of tractor accidents, Mr. O'Halloran said that 47% of fatalities take place among 6% of the workforce. I had the tragic and heartbreaking experience last Saturday of attending the funeral mass in Skibbereen of a 14 year old boy who lost his life in an accident. In such accidents an inquest or investigation takes place. It would surely be part of that investigation that the vehicle would be or should be tested or examined to determine if there were deficiencies in it. Is there information on all the workplace accidents involving agricultural machinery, which the witness mentioned, where defects were found? That is what we are talking about here. Accidents will take place in farmyards and that will probably be the case as long as we have farmyards. We are talking about the condition of the machinery. Are there figures in that respect?

I thank the witnesses for their presentations. Mr. Brett of the Road Safety Authority skirted around the factors involved, namely, high speeds, weights being carried such as 40 kg boxes or whatever. He might clarify that point. He quoted the figure of 6% of the workforce in agriculture and I would have thought the figure was higher but nonetheless I accept his figures. The figure of 48% fatalities is a frightening figure. We must all strive to bring down that figure and one fatality is one too many.

If tractors are to be tested, where does Mr. Brett envisage that the bigger, faster and heavier ones will be tested or by whom will they be tested? There is nothing more frustrating than to have somebody testing such a vehicle who does not understand the mechanics of it. Most mechanics know about diesel or petrol vehicles, cars, vans or other vehicles but heavy machinery such as this is specialised. Certainly we must ensure they are safe on the roads but there should be fair play and an understanding of the vehicles.

I welcome the witnesses. There are proposals in the taxi legislation currently being examined in the Dáil to prohibit vehicles that are more than nine years old being used by operators in the taxi trade. This would pose a huge burden on many taxi drivers who find it hard to manage their business and to make a viable living from it. What are the witnesses' views on the proposed introduction of this prohibition? Are there statistics to justify its introduction? There are 12 and 13 year old cars that are roadworthy and comply with the regular testing requirements. People who have cars of that age make extraordinary efforts to call to their technicians and garages to keep them in good condition. Are there statistics to justify the introduction of this measure? I do not believe that there are.

I warmly welcome the witnesses, in particular Mr. Higginson. I appreciate much of what Mr. Brett said in the clarification he gave but I am a little confused by what Mr. O'Halloran said. On the issue of farm accidents, one can have a perfectly safe tractor but one could have it on pit of silage and back off it when packing the silage, hit one's head and die. The tractor could comply with all regulations. However, as Deputy Harrington rightly stated, unfortunately, there will always be farm accidents because of the nature of the work. I am a little confused as to where the Heath and Safety Authority stands on any proposal to have compulsory testing of farm tractors. I may not have picked up all Mr. O'Halloran said but I do not think he was clear on that. Mr. Brett from the Road Safety Authority was very clear on that in that the authority does not believe that there should be any type of annual or biannual testing of vehicles involved in farm work. Will Mr. O'Halloran provide more clarity on that issue?

The Deputy is seeking clarification on where Mr. O'Halloran stands on that.

Yes and on where the Health and Safety Authority stands on that.

In terms of contractors who do work for hire, be it involving the use of tractors or other machinery, we know that if one has a track machine for one's own use one does not need a reversing camera on it but if the machine is for hire, it is compulsory to have one. It is a completely different operation when one has machinery for hire. I agree 100% with everything that the Health and Safety Authority would say about machinery used for reward and for hire because that is a different game and we all know the rules that apply. We do not want to have those heavy but necessary rules applying to a small farmer whose has a tractor in his yard. The vast majority of tractors in Ireland never touch a tarred road. Where does the Health and Safety Authority stand on that issue?

On a point of clarification, an important issue, which will arise again at the end of this point, is that roadside hedges cannot be cut because of the provisions of the wildlife legislation. As a practitioner engaged in agricultural contracting I know, as do we all, that the front of the tractor can be anything from 8 ft. to 10 ft. in front of the cab. With the roadside hedges uncut, it is inherently more dangerous for a tractor to exit onto a road. That is the situation faced by contractors and farmers. It is a nonsense and it should be examined, especially in terms of the safety of tractors exiting onto the road. It is highly dangerous and one could have far more visibility and see up to 100 yd. up a road if roadside hedges were cut back. That legislation needs to be examined. Because of the wet weather this year hedges have not been cut. The matter of roadside hedges is a big issue for farm contractors and for all road users because it is more difficult to drive a vehicle onto a road if one has poor visibility due to the roadside hedges not having been cut.

I would like clarification on whether the owner of a tractor is required to have a licence of any description to use the tractor only on their own land. Does a minimum age limit apply to the use of vehicles on a farm? One further matter-----

The members have all had an opportunity to speak. I allowed one member to ask a further question and now they all want to ask another one. I ask the Deputy to be brief.

I wanted to ask about one other matter.

The Deputy should just ask a question.

We have seen an increase in the number of quad bikes on the main roads and they are not subject to the same regulations that apply to other vehicles. Do the witnesses have an opinion on their use?

I wish to ask a further question.

What is the Deputy's question?

In terms of road safety regulations to be complied with where road construction is ongoing, which is the responsible body? Is it the local authority, the council or the contractors or subcontractors who have been engaged in the work?

The Deputy is asking for clarification of who is responsible.

What is the responsible body where a fatality or serious accidents occur and there is a deficiency in complying with road safety regulations?

Mr. Noel Brett

I will respond to Deputy Ellis's question about driver licensing for tractors. At the age of 16 one can get a W licence to drive a tractor. If one is driving on private property one does not need a licence at all and there is no age requirement. It is the responsibility of the farmer or the employer.

In response to Deputy Mattie McGrath’s questions, if tractors were ever to be tested they could most definitely not be tested in an NCT centre. They would have to be tested in a local garage that has the competence, expertise and machinery to handle them. It is definitely not a business that could be carried out in an NCT centre.

We would like to see more debate on whether higher vehicles with higher speed capacities should be tested. I refer to vehicles that can travel at 50 km/h and above that carry higher loads in public places. The issues of concern relate to couplings - for example, the matching of speed ratings on trailers. A tractor might be capable of a very high speed or might be a specialist piece of kit that has a 20 km/h or 30 km/h rating on its coupling. Braking is also important, including whether the brakes are anti-lock and how they are functioning. Of importance also is plating – what a trailer weighs and what it is permitted to carry. For instance, what type of trailer is required to carry a big Hymac? Driver training is important for those driving such vehicles. We are keen to work with Macra na Feirme and the Irish Farmers Association to develop training for young people who will drive such specialist vehicles.

I am out of my depth on road works so I will not respond to Deputy Tom Fleming’s question. I will defer to Mr. Martin O'Halloran and his colleagues on the issue. I have not looked specifically at taxis. With regard to the mention of vehicles aged over ten years, the pass rate at the NCT for ten-year old vehicles is now 43%. It has gone up by 7% in recent months since we introduced annual testing for ten-year vehicles. That is what we were aiming to do in order to make such vehicles safer. Vehicles more than ten years old will not necessarily have passenger protection equipment such as airbags and anti-lock brakes but the RSA has not examined the issue in the context of taxis. I do not know the profile of the taxi fleet so I am not competent to say anything other than to make general remarks.

On the query on the cutting of roadside hedges, this is an issue of significant concern to the Road Safety Authority. I have taken up the matter with local authorities, the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine and Dúchas. I am advised that for safety reasons one can cut back hedges. We want to see hedges cut back leading up to junctions so people can see the signage. We are also worried about foliage that grows out and pushes pedestrians and cyclists, including schoolchildren, into the thoroughfare. There is also much damage to haulage vehicles and agricultural vehicles, which lose wing mirrors, for example. The life of a vehicle is significantly impaired when one has big boughs hanging out onto the road. We would like to see a balance and a calibration back in favour of road safety. Human life must come first. We must redress the balance. The kind of weather we have had recently has resulted in extreme growth. People have not been able to get into fields to cut hedges from the other side because it is so wet.

I have covered all the questions I can. Perhaps Mr. O’Halloran could add to what I have said.

Mr. Martin O'Halloran

I will pick up on some of the questions I noted. Deputy Healy-Rae made a point about the Health and Safety Authority position on compulsory testing. I indicated that we know what the statistics are and we investigate each fatality but we do not have any compelling evidence to indicate that compulsory testing of agricultural vehicles would have a significant impact on fatalities. He correctly pointed out that the causation of an accident could relate to the vehicle, its maintenance and the training or competency of the user. Very often it relates to the experience and skills of the user. In many cases fatalities relate to young people, but they can also happen to more elderly people who, unfortunately, are not able to respond if something adverse happens.

Mr. Brett responded to Deputy Ellis’s question on licences, but in terms of on-farm work, the Health and Safety Authority has published and made available to the agricultural community a code of practice. It is not legally binding but it is indicative of what good practice should be. The strong recommendation is that children under 14 years of age should not drive tractors on farms and that they should be trained if they do so. It is clearly set out that they should not drive with a trailer. The code of practice would inform an inspector visiting a farm in his or her dialogue with a farmer on young people and their safety on tractors.

Deputy Tom Fleming inquired about who is responsible for road construction. That is set out reasonably clearly in legislation. If road works are taking place which meet the conditions of the 2007 construction regulations, there is an onus on the duty holder or whoever is commissioning the road works to notify the Health and Safety Authority. That is the normal practice. If the work is below a certain activity level in terms of duration there is no formal requirement to notify the authority but there are precautions that must be carried out. These relate mainly to signage, protection of road works and coning. They are set out in what is typically called chapter 8 guidance, which has been accepted by all local authorities. In the event that a contractor is retained by the local authority to do the work, then the contractor has this duty.

In the event of an accident, generally the first responder is the Garda Síochána. We have a memorandum of understanding with it and in the event that it is considered that characteristics of the accident might relate to aspects of work such as road works guarding or the conduct of the work then members of the Garda Síochána will generally quickly seek the input of the Health and Safety Authority and we carry out a joint investigation. Depending on the preliminary investigation, if it is agreed with An Garda Síochána that an accident has to do with driver behaviour, driver substance use or vehicle condition then the lead in the investigation goes at that point to the Garda Síochána and the Health and Safety Authority supports it. Conversely, if it was found that a direct contributor to the causation of the accident was guarding or a failure in guarding of works, then the lead role in the investigation would be carried out by the Health and Safety Authority with the support of the Garda Síochána. In many cases a joint file would be forwarded to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

In response to Deputy Harrington’s question, the Health and Safety Authority carries out a detailed investigation of every accident. I might ask my colleague, Mr. Brian Higginson, to give a sense of the typical manner of an investigation when a fatality occurs.

Mr. Brian Higginson

All farm fatalities are investigated fully. We are acutely aware of the sensitive nature of such incidents because primarily it is the farmer or a family member who has died. We do a full investigation. If machinery is involved then an examination is carried out on the state of the machinery. A PSV inspector from An Garda Síochána may also examine the machinery to ascertain whether issues arose that had a bearing on its effectiveness. If necessary, machinery is tested, but in many cases accidents may involve machines in a static position - for example, the use of a power take-off for a slurry spreader when a farmer has exited the machine and the engine is still running. In such cases the accident is not due to an inherent fault in the machine. Many accidents are due to work practices and behaviour, which is a much bigger issue of concern to the authority. We are working with the broader farming community to bring about changes in behaviour.

I thank the three witnesses - Mr. Noel Brett, Mr. Martin O’Halloran and Mr. Brian Higginson - and the departmental officials and others who are present. I also thank committee members for remaining, because we had a lot to cover in the module on roadworthiness.

I have two points to put to the committee before members leave. I propose that the committee conclude its scrutiny by drafting a political contribution to the European Commission, the European Parliament, Irish MEPs and the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport. Alternatively, we could ask the Department to keep us informed.

I propose that Fiona draw up a report and bring it to the committee. We will then send our report to the various people. Is that agreed?

Will we say in our report that we agree with the positions in any way or will we just give a breakdown of them? I am curious because there appears to be general consensus.

There is. We will draw up the report from that and bring it to the committee before we agree it.

That is fair enough.

I apologise for not explaining that. As there is no other business, we will adjourn.

The joint committee adjourned at 12.20 p.m. until 10 a.m. on Thursday, 14 February 2013.
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